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"I don't think India are worthy of being #1 in Tests" : Michael Holding

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Pitches have been the talking point of the series, not cricket. What do you have to say?
I was not comfortable with the Centurion pitch at all. South Africa would be happy that they won the Test. My problem with Centurion was that cricket was entertaining there. The bowlers were struggling, the batsmen were struggling. It was not a spectacle that people would want to go back and watch again. The first Test match (Cape Town) pitch was very bowler friendly but I am sure people will want to see the first Test match again rather than the second.

Twenty wickets were difficult to come overseas for India but when they are coming, they are coming at a cost. You agree?

I won't say that. The bowlers have done a good job. Batting is what has failed India. I said on the first morning of the series that it was all about India's batting line-up. I don't think India have too much to worry about their bowling. They need to get some runs on the board. The South Africa's is an outstanding attack, not an average attack. India have to find ways to get the runs.

So how do you analyse the Indian bowlers and the team?

Bhuvneshwar Kumar bowled beautifully at Newlands. I was not sure why he did not play in the second Test. Bumrah (Jasprit) bowled better in the second Test than in the first. Mohammd Shammi bowled differently in the Tests but he was not impressive in the first. I was disappointed with Ravi Ashwin in the second Test. I thought he bowled a wrong line. If he had bowled more off-stump line with flight, he would have been successful. Having said that, the bowlers did a good enough job.

Personally I think Bhuvneshwar Kumar is the best of the seamers. Ishant Sharma is good but I think he is a fourth bowler than an attacking frontline new ball bowler. He has done well still. He does not give runs away. People say he is young but has played 80 Test matches which take their toll on the body. There is a difference between 29 years old after 80 Tests and 29 years old after 40 Tests. Fast bowling is hard work. There are of course issues with the team. I am not sure why Rahane (Ajinkya) is not playing. I know he did not do well against Sri Lanka but you need to play who did well overseas. India do not have too many players who have done well overseas.

What about Bumrah?

I don't know enough about Bumrah because I have seen him bowl for the first time here. I was not very impressed in the first Test. At Centurion, he bowled better. I think he was successful in the second match because of the nature of the pitch. The two wickets that he got in the second innings would not come on a good pitch. The balls would have bounced to the normal heights and the batsmen would have cleared them normally. At his pace, he became successful because the ball was keeping low.

So, who is the best bowler in the world and why do you say so?

It is hard to decide who is or are the best. Because a lot of times I don't see them. I don't watch cricket when I am in the US. I follow the games only when I am in England or South Africa. I follow the scores but I don't actually watch it. But I did say before the Ashes started that Australia will win the se-ries because England cannot take 20 wickets away from home.

You must be unhappy with the way the Indians have fielded?

When people talk of about the four-pronged West Indies pace attack, they forget the quality of fielding we had. Once the ball goes past the bat, we had ensured that the catch was going to be taken. There would be odd dropped- catches but only the hard ones. As I said, fast bowling is hard work and you don't want to run hard when you don't have the confidence on the wicketkeeper or the slip fielder. Once you have that confidence, you can concentrate on your bowling. Some runs go away here and there but they are not detrimental, the dropped catches are detrimental.

Do you really think India are worthy of being No 1 side in the world?

No, I don't think so. I don't pay much attention to these ICC rankings. When India went to England, they were the No 1 ranked team and I said they are not the best in the world. England beat them 4-0. David Gower and Ian Botham asked me if England are the best and I said South Africa were the best. They said 'we will see next year'. South Africa went to England and beat them.

So which is the side that is capable of winning home and away?
I think it is South Africa. They lost to India and lost badly too. But when they lost to India, the bowling was not what it is now. When Australia come here next month, that series will tell us alot. Because both sides will be playing under conditions that are familiar to them - hard dry pitches and bright sunshine.

What about Virat Kohli the batsman and the captain?

Virat Kohli is a fantastic batsman. I was asked to name three top cricketers and I included Kohli in that list. He is a very very good player. When I see him score runs in England, I would call him a great player. I like people who score runs everywhere. He is an extremely good player.

But as a captain, he has some work to do. I don't want to condemn him too much because I like to have my own way as a captain. I like to be given the team I want all the time. But it is still not the right way to go. There got to be discussions with the wiser heads from time to time, come to conclusions and flesh out different arguments. I get an impression that he is getting what he wants.

He is very emotional about his cricket. He means everything he wants to do. In time he will learn. Because he has been so successful since he took over, it is hard for him to change. He has to see other view points and arrive at consensus.

So, who is the best batsman in the world?

The three cricketers I think are the best now are Joe Root, Virat Kohli and Steve Smith. AB de Villiers has just come back into Test cricket and let's see how he does. I don't want to include him yet in that list.

You have always been critical of Twenty20. Do you think it is killing the game?

Everybody knows I have not changed my opinion. I have not seen any good that has come out of Twenty20. A lot of players are benefiting but I don't think the game is benefiting.

Are you comfortable with the way ICC is functioning?

No. I am tiered of the ICC now. I don't want to go deep into that.

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com...gend-michael-holding/articleshow/62596755.cms
 
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Bhuvneshwar Kumar bowled beautifully at Newlands. I was not sure why he did not play in the second Test
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I think everyone wondered the same thing. In hindsight tho, Sharma bowled well.

When I see him (Kohli) score runs in England, I would call him a great player. I like people who score runs everywhere.

That's about it.
 
No team is really worth of no 1 but it's India that has been the dominate most at home right now compared to other teams.

Aus lost to SA
SA lost to England
England drawing the series against PK, losing matches against WI and SL.
 
So, we are supposed to take the opinion of a bitter ex-cricketer seriously who by his own admission doesn't follow the game outside of England and South Africa.
 
So, we are supposed to take the opinion of a bitter ex-cricketer seriously who by his own admission doesn't follow the game outside of England and South Africa.

well tbh he is still more qualified than any poster here

also. His opinion is hardly unique. Most ex-cricketers and fans hold this opinion as well.
 
well tbh he is still more qualified than any poster here

also. His opinion is hardly unique. Most ex-cricketers and fans hold this opinion as well.

Indians always attack the person who is giving an opinion instead of concentrating on argument.

Don't bother.
 
well tbh he is still more qualified than any poster here

also. His opinion is hardly unique. Most ex-cricketers and fans hold this opinion as well.

I would rather listen to the views of an anonymous poster here who actually watches and follows the matches all around the world than an ex-cricketer who doesnt follow cricket outside two countries and clearly has a big chip on his shoulder.
 
Oh, the bitter Indian fans have already arrived at a Legend giving a perfectly justifiable opinion.. didn't take long, did it?
 
So which is the side that is capable of winning home and away?

I think it is South Africa. They lost to India and lost badly too. But when they lost to India, the bowling was not what it is now. When Australia come here next month, that series will tell us alot. Because both sides will be playing under conditions that are familiar to them - hard dry pitches and bright sunshine.[/url]

Notice how Holding contradicts himself in the same answer .. India aren't no.1 because they can't play in SA conditions but SA vs Aus next month will tell us who is the best (despite both teams playing in home conditions , by his own admission).
 
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I think everyone wondered the same thing. In hindsight tho, Sharma bowled well.



That's about it.
So you skipped the part in which he said kohli is amongst the top 3 batsman.
You cherrypick the sentences you like ignoring others.
And yes people who compared azhar with him are already in coma.
 
Notice how Holding contradicts himself in the same answer .. India aren't no.1 because they can't play in SA conditions but SA vs Aus next month will tell us who is the best (despite both teams playing in home conditions , by his own admission).

He said when SA lost in India they didn't have the current bowling line-up
 
So you skipped the part in which he said kohli is amongst the top 3 batsman.
You cherrypick the sentences you like ignoring others.
And yes people who compared azhar with him are already in coma.

I didn't skip anything. Read it all.

And yeah I did cherry-pick.

It was a bait question (by an Indian news outlet) and the man simply signaled the gigantic chink in Kohli's armour :jimmy
 
My goodness, the Indian fans really do take these comments to heart. This thread is a proof. Relax its just his opinion.
 
He said when SA lost in India they didn't have the current bowling line-up

Current SA bowling lineup lost 3-1 in England on helpful pitches , I'm not sure what miracle he's expecting them to pull off in India.
 
The Indian lobby is gonna hate this but the truth is the truth. India has never been the all out number one in tests, regardless of what some useless ranking system may say. The ywere hammered away during their last stint and are being hammered again.

Like many of us genuine cricket fans, Holding we understand the importance this year of Australia/SA. This will decide a consensus number one. Beyond that, if Australia also win in the UAE, there can be no more arguments, regardless of ranking points and other such nonsense.
 
I would rather listen to the views of an anonymous poster here who actually watches and follows the matches all around the world than an ex-cricketer who doesnt follow cricket outside two countries and clearly has a big chip on his shoulder.

i disagree with your line of though but as i said that doesnt matter here because in any case his opinion is hardly radical so it holds merit in this case
 
The Indian lobby is gonna hate this but the truth is the truth. India has never been the all out number one in tests, regardless of what some useless ranking system may say.

tbh in 2009-early 2011 they were

won home series and drew/competed in SA and Aus. Won in NZ as well.
 
I think nationalism is the core aspect of the Indian discourse. Jesus Relax Guys!
 
tbh in 2009-early 2011 they were

won home series and drew/competed in SA and Aus. Won in NZ as well.

No they weren't. SA were the better side, and did exactly what India had done to them (draw away). Yes India beat NZ but since when is beating NZ equal to being test number one? SA had beaten Aus in Aus in that same time period, and although they lost the return fixture, its better than India getting hammered in Aus. Eng too at that time drew in SA and won in Aus, both far superior results than anything India achieved.

By the time India arrived in England the rankings should have been SA, Aus/Eng and then India.
 
He doesn't think India is the #1 Test team and he doesn't take rankings seriously. Fine, I have no problems. He has a right to his opinion.

But the rankings are here to stay and they have always determined which is the best team in the world, not opinions.
 
He said when SA lost in India they didn't have the current bowling line-up

SA can bring whatever bowling line up they will still lose.

Holding hates bcci and India but tbh there is no clear number 1 in the world atm.

And no SA vs Aus wont determine that.
 
I would rather listen to the views of an anonymous poster here who actually watches and follows the matches all around the world than an ex-cricketer who doesnt follow cricket outside two countries and clearly has a big chip on his shoulder.
Anonymous posters like you and me know jack about cricket since we have never played nor can ever dream of playing at the highest level. Learn to respect people who have achieved much more than you ever could.
 
Lol, India is easily the current no 1 team. Don't think we should take holdings opinion quite seriously since it's quite evident from his past history that he doesn't like Indian team and bcci.

He's the same person who believes that kohli shouldn't be called a great batsman because he failed in ENG. I mean, what does that even mean?

There have been many great cricketers in the history of cricket who have terrible records against a particular nation or in a particular country. Ponting, lara or Warne r such atg players.
 
He's the same person who believes that kohli shouldn't be called a great batsman because he failed in ENG. I mean, what does that even mean?

He said Kohli is one of the three best batsmen in the world, is that unreasonable?
 
He said Kohli is one of the three best batsmen in the world, is that unreasonable?

Nah, absolutely not. Actually I like him as a commentator and his indepth analysis. But if I m not wrong, i think he said that kohli needs to play well in England to announce himself as an atg player or something like that. Can't remember exactly where did I read it.

My question is why will kohli need to prove himself in England when he a has such superior records in everywhere else?
 
He also said unless Kohli scores in England he wont call him a great.

Obviously he values Tests the most, therefore he holds that opinion. People do question Kohli's performances against lateral movement, Kohli is a human being after all. :sachin

But the way some people are posting in this thread, it would appear that Holding called Kohli a nobody. Top three batsman in the world is quite good in my book.
 
Nobody is worthy of no.1 ALl are home track bullies except may be windies who suck even at home lol
 
Obviously he values Tests the most, therefore he holds that opinion. People do question Kohli's performances against lateral movement, Kohli is a human being after all. :sachin

But the way some people are posting in this thread, it would appear that Holding called Kohli a nobody. Top three batsman in the world is quite good in my book.

Yes, Kohli has genuine issues against lateral movement but people are behaving as if ball moves only in England and rest of the countries prepare flat tracks.

His first century in SA came on a fairly seamer friendly wicket. If Kohli is able to overcome his weakness outside off stump, he would be rightly called an ATG irrespective of his record in England just like Pointing was hailed as a great player despite averaging in teens on his first four tours to India.
 
well tbh he is still more qualified than any poster here

also. His opinion is hardly unique. Most ex-cricketers and fans hold this opinion as well.

Nonsense.

Being a fast runner who could throw a ball quickly isn't a qualification for knowing about the game.

Having statistical and mathematical skills and following a huge amount of cricket is.

Holding is good for kicking stumps and bowling balls. Not logic or thought.
 
Well he averages a 13 in England

Not many great test players average that low in any country. I'm sure he will improve his record


S.Wagh averages around 15 in sl and ponting averages around 25 in India. Still they r considered as some of the greatest of the game
 
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Nonsense.

Being a fast runner who could throw a ball quickly isn't a qualification for knowing about the game.

Having statistical and mathematical skills and following a huge amount of cricket is.

Holding is good for kicking stumps and bowling balls. Not logic or thought.
People who WATCH cricket are nobodies, while Michael Holding is a legend of the game. The disrespect is amazing.

Ian Chappell was criticized for his opinion. Nobody is stopping amateurs like us for doing that. But when you categorically start demeaning ex-cricketers by saying people who follow cricket know more than them, that is ridiculous.
 
Which team is more dominant at home than India?
 
Holding should have said something nice about Sachin so all these Indians would start giving him the respect he deserves. He is about 100 times better than any bowler your country has ever produced or will in the future. He knows a thing or two about cricket.

He is right about India not being the best in the world. After Misbah and Khan's retirement, they have certainly become the best Asian team but as we are seeing, they suck pretty bad outside Asia.
 
So which is the side that is capable of winning home and away?
I think it is South Africa. They lost to India and lost badly too. But when they lost to India, the bowling was not what it is now."


Is it?

Philander goes missing in India. Always gets injured.
Steyn can retire. He hardly can play anymore.
Morkel played in India.
Rabada played in India.
Lungi's pace will be useless in India. He will be carted to all parts of the ground.

Sorry, but you need spinners to win in India. SA have none. Maharaj is economical. Nothing threatening.
 
People who WATCH cricket are nobodies, while Michael Holding is a legend of the game. The disrespect is amazing.

Ian Chappell was criticized for his opinion. Nobody is stopping amateurs like us for doing that. But when you categorically start demeaning ex-cricketers by saying people who follow cricket know more than them, that is ridiculous.

He can be a legend of the game.

It doesn't make his opinion worth anything.

You don't make Shaquille O Neil GM of a basketball club.

You make a guy with statistical skills and acumen a GM.

A valid opinion comes from intelligence, education, stat skills and watching the game.

Being a legend can come from having strong physique and being a work-horse.

Not at all related. I know 10x more to have a valid opinion than him
 
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People who WATCH cricket are nobodies, while Michael Holding is a legend of the game. The disrespect is amazing.

Ian Chappell was criticized for his opinion. Nobody is stopping amateurs like us for doing that. But when you categorically start demeaning ex-cricketers by saying people who follow cricket know more than them, that is ridiculous.

A legend of the game, who doesn't bother to watch cricket outside two countries and yet we should accept everything he says as gospel?

He doesn't know how Smith and Root handled the spinning conditions, didn't watch them play in subcontinent and yet we should believe him when he put them in top three batsmen just because he has seen them bat in England and South Africa?
 
Opinions are true only when they are against india otherwise only thing matter is" how about australia record in sub continent" 😂😂😂😂
 
This thread is not about Ind vs Pak, it is about Holding's view so lets stick to that.
Off topic posts will be deleted
 
The rankings are there for a reason.
I think holding is like a lot of explayers in whose era number one teams one home and away against every opposition
 
S.Wagh averages around 15 in sl and ponting averages around 25 in India. Still they r considered as some of the greatest of the game

Well waugh faced only 4 test matches, never got the chance to improve his record but Kohli has that opportunity this year to prove his doubters wrong against Anderson. Best swing bowler of this generation vs Kohli would be a good battle this summer.

Ponting is rated lower than Lara and Sachin for his record in India.
 
Holding is wrong here.

Ranking 1 doesn't means that team is going to win everywhere. Ranking one means team is doing better than other teams.
 
The rankings are there for a reason.
I think holding is like a lot of explayers in whose era number one teams one home and away against every opposition

True. This is a highly competitive era as well. You cannot be a touring side and walk all over the opposition unless the opposition is West Indies. In both Tests India had an outside chance to win. Besides being undercooked without practice, there were several tactical, selection blunders of Kohli made SA's life a lot easier. So far there is only one century in the entire series and 8 fifties in out of the 8 completed innings. It is a series designed for Fast bowlers. SA has better set of fast bowlers. They edged there. Same way in India , India will have better set of spinners than SA. That is the way games goes these days.
 
I agree with all the above points of Holding:

1) His opinion on Indan bowling
2)His opinion on the best batters in the world( Would take Kane over Root personally but that's okay)
3) His opinion on Kohli's captaincy
4) His opinion on no. 1 side in the world
 
V Kohli will do well vs England in England in coming tours without any doubt. That shouldn't have been a debate though.

It is foolish to see people pointing on that from last two years. England bowling is hardly any great currently. He has done it against better attacks, England attack won't be the issue.
 
He can be a legend of the game.

It doesn't make his opinion worth anything.

You don't make Shaquille O Neil GM of a basketball club.

You make a guy with statistical skills and acumen a GM.

A valid opinion comes from intelligence, education, stat skills and watching the game.

Being a legend can come from having strong physique and being a work-horse.

Not at all related. I know 10x more to have a valid opinion than him
He IS a legend of the game, a better bowler than all of your pace bowlers in your cricketing history.

He is commenting strictly on cricketing matters, not on the financial or managerial aspects of the sport in this article.

He can have any opinion he wants as he has played the game at the highest level on the actual cricket pitch. Not behind a computer. So your opinion is worthless infront of his. You can disagree, however.

You are a nobody and nobody cares about your opinion. Michael Holding works as a commentator on leading TV channels, has his own blogs and is a certified legend of the game we discuss on this forum.
 
The good thing about the new Test League, despite its flaws, is we'll have an actual Final to determine a proper Test champion.

The rankings are calculated in a way that's too confusing for an average cricket fan.
 
I would rather listen to the views of an anonymous poster here who actually watches and follows the matches all around the world than an ex-cricketer who doesnt follow cricket outside two countries and clearly has a big chip on his shoulder.

ok ,many of these posters go evrywheer and watch matches and know more than the legend....he said everything right in above ,and if u do not agree with one or two points then i can understand,
 
SA can bring whatever bowling line up they will still lose.

You cant prove that. Its just what you believe. Beliefs dont count. SA have historically competed well in India. Even in the series they were whitewashed in. If anything that should give us a hint that they will compete better than what India is doing in SA.
 
waiting for mamoon and many indian poster to say Michael is rubish in his analysis,lolz.
 
And get owned in foreign conditions.

It is what it is. You have to be a rock at home these days to be No.1.

If you keep losing at home too, you can never be No.1.

No.1 is just relative. Teams strive to be No.1 in Tests. But they do not have time to play county cricket or participate in SA, Aus domestic leagues to improve. Nobody has that much time. Test Cricket has limited future anyways. It will be 1day or T20 that is the future.

20 years from now, nobody cares about Test cricket except some 50-60 year olds (which will be us posting on PP).
 
Well waugh faced only 4 test matches, never got the chance to improve his record but Kohli has that opportunity this year to prove his doubters wrong against Anderson. Best swing bowler of this generation vs Kohli would be a good battle this summer.

Ponting is rated lower than Lara and Sachin for his record in India.

Lara has very average record against India. Infact Virat's overall record against England is much better than Lara's overall record against India despite Virat's horror series in England.. PPers may not like it but Virat will go down as a much better batter than Lara overall. I will also be surprised if Virat doesn't at the least equal Lara in tests by the time he retires. Lara padded his stats playing against a below par England where he played county cricket year after year. England was practically second home for him and no surprise he did well there. Even after all that his average in England is less than his overall career average. Kohli plays in England in tests may be once in four years.
 
waiting for mamoon and many indian poster to say Michael is rubish in his analysis,lolz.

he is not rubbish but extremely biased. Also highly snobbish and give way too much importance to what happens in England and SA. Every team does well in their home turf and poorly outside. Very few teams are good overseas. Not a big deal. India's performance at SA was not great, but it was not as pathetic as SA's performance in India..
 
The series against Australia will indeed determine the number 1 side in the world, I agree 100%.
A full strength SA side is a different kettle of fish. If SA manages to win, I expect them to go on and win in Sri Lanka as well (again bar injuries).
I expect India to get a drubbing in England and Australia. If they manage a series win in one of these two countries, then they'll deservedly be the number one side in the world.

Can we imagine a scenario where Australia doesn't play either England and South Africa either home and away, only to invite and bully the Asian sides? How would they be the number one side in the world? How would that be fair to England and South Africa capable of beating each other home or away?
India missed the opportunity by not playing Misbha's team.
 
It is what it is. You have to be a rock at home these days to be No.1.

If you keep losing at home too, you can never be No.1.

No.1 is just relative. Teams strive to be No.1 in Tests. But they do not have time to play county cricket or participate in SA, Aus domestic leagues to improve. Nobody has that much time. Test Cricket has limited future anyways. It will be 1day or T20 that is the future.

20 years from now, nobody cares about Test cricket except some 50-60 year olds (which will be us posting on PP).

ANd u play most of the crcket in your home and when u come out you are no number 1...i mean how many matches SA played at home in last 2 years.
 
Obviously he values Tests the most, therefore he holds that opinion. People do question Kohli's performances against lateral movement, Kohli is a human being after all. :sachin

But the way some people are posting in this thread, it would appear that Holding called Kohli a nobody. Top three batsman in the world is quite good in my book.

Kohli has scored runs everywhere except england. Will Holding say Viv was not a great as he failed in NZ or Sobers was not a great as he failed in NZ as well. I can name many great players with such deficiencies.

Holding for past decade or so has an axe to grind againist India. If it was upto him he will even call Tendulkar a non great, but he knows he will be ridiculed.
 
he is not rubbish but extremely biased. Also highly snobbish and give way too much importance to what happens in England and SA. Every team does well in their home turf and poorly outside. Very few teams are good overseas. Not a big deal. India's performance at SA was not great, but it was not as pathetic as SA's performance in India..

Let see how many matches aus loses at home?? and then compare it to india?/
for me india is a good team at home and we have to give them credit for that.but over all its bw Aus and SA.
Last time Aus competed well in india and won one match but i have to see India wining a single match overseas except that fluke at lords.
 
You cant prove that. Its just what you believe. Beliefs dont count. SA have historically competed well in India. Even in the series they were whitewashed in. If anything that should give us a hint that they will compete better than what India is doing in SA.

The only series where SA has done better than India will be the 2000 series. Except that the series have been even stevens.

SA were virtually mauled in India. Demolished and Lungi wont change that.
 
Current SA bowling lineup lost 3-1 in England on helpful pitches , I'm not sure what miracle he's expecting them to pull off in India.

Not really, Philander missed two matches through a stomach virus and back issues. Rabada missed the second Test as well.
Since then SA has someone to support Elgar up top, AB is back and Ngidi. Steyn is fit again. This is a completely different team to the one that toured England.

In any case South African seamers out bowled the English, despite fitness issues and players returning from injuries.

In the England-South Africa, series, England's bowlers had the better numbers: they took 79 wickets at 24.50, compared to South Africa's 77 wickets at 28.77. (When comparing the pace attacks, though, there was no difference: South Africa's pacers averaged 27.51 to England's 27.67.)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/20309473/numbers-game-was-morne-morkel-unlucky-england-tests?
 
The series against Australia will indeed determine the number 1 side in the world, I agree 100%.
A full strength SA side is a different kettle of fish. If SA manages to win, I expect them to go on and win in Sri Lanka as well (again bar injuries).
I expect India to get a drubbing in England and Australia. If they manage a series win in one of these two countries, then they'll deservedly be the number one side in the world.

Can we imagine a scenario where Australia doesn't play either England and South Africa either home and away, only to invite and bully the Asian sides? How would they be the number one side in the world? How would that be fair to England and South Africa capable of beating each other home or away?
India missed the opportunity by not playing Misbha's team.

Australia lost test match to BD and got washed by SL, beating them will not make SA the number one side.

You can imagine Australia not playing SA or England if they were virtually at war. Pakistan didnot do much outside UAE during Misbah's time except the England series.
 
Let see how many matches aus loses at home?? and then compare it to india?/
for me india is a good team at home and we have to give them credit for that.but over all its bw Aus and SA.
Last time Aus competed well in india and won one match but i have to see India wining a single match overseas except that fluke at lords.

Yow how many test matches india have won and drew in australia in last 10 years and how many test matches australia have won and drew in india in that period ?. Forget that this was australia's first test victory in india in last 10 plus years
I know you guys are hypocrites but still man..
.it takes little to talk logical....
 
He is if he thinks this SA bowling will win them test matches in India.

Only winning in India does not matter but with Maharaj i think they will compete.
What i wanna say that SA is comparitively better in every conditions and so is AUs after they kicked those olides out.
 
Not really, Philander missed two matches through a stomach virus and back issues. Rabada missed the second Test as well.
Since then SA has someone to support Elgar up top, AB is back and Ngidi. Steyn is fit again. This is a completely different team to the one that toured England.

In any case South African seamers out bowled the English, despite fitness issues and players returning from injuries.


http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/20309473/numbers-game-was-morne-morkel-unlucky-england-tests?

And what will these seamers do in India? Jack.

Your batsman will find it near impossible to negotiate Jadeja Ashwin and Kuldeep on Indian pitches. Philander wont find grass and better bowlers than Ngidi and Rabada have come to India and gone back home empty handed.
 
Australia lost test match to BD and got washed by SL, beating them will not make SA the number one side.

You can imagine Australia not playing SA or England if they were virtually at war. Pakistan didnot do much outside UAE during Misbah's time except the England series.

Even at misbah time ,they lost a test match to west indies , zimbawe and drew test series in uae against south africa and new zealand. They hardly won anything.
 
Yow how many test matches india have won and drew in australia in last 10 years and how many test matches australia have won and drew in india in that period ?. Forget that this was australia's first test victory in india in last 10 plus years
I know you guys are hypocrites but still man..
.it takes little to talk logical....

we are taiking about current not the last 10 years.If you go to ten years then extend it to 50 years.
 
Only winning in India does not matter but with Maharaj i think they will compete.
What i wanna say that SA is comparitively better in every conditions and so is AUs after they kicked those olides out.

Aus lost a test to BD in BD. That was like few months back. Aus got washed in SL and UAE.

SA havent won a series in Asia as well for sometime. So no they are no better.
 
Yow how many test matches india have won and drew in australia in last 10 years and how many test matches australia have won and drew in india in that period ?. Forget that this was australia's first test victory in india in last 10 plus years
I know you guys are hypocrites but still man..
.it takes little to talk logical....

We were talking about home dominance and it not just India who is home dominant.AUS is more.
 
we are taiking about current not the last 10 years.If you go to ten years then extend it to 50 years.

What current ? Current is last time australia were whitewashed by a sri lankan team which get which washed by our c team many times..
 
Aus lost a test to BD in BD. That was like few months back. Aus got washed in SL and UAE.

SA havent won a series in Asia as well for sometime. So no they are no better.

That match against bangladesh was rightly won ,Bangladesh is not that team now,a better team in home conditions .after srilanka the Aus have better team and i think u know it better.
 
Many of our friends across the border are not happy because the truth have been spoken and i am still waiting for this team to win a tests outside Asia and WI.not a Series a test match.Win it and then talk.
Otherwise everyone will say That you are beast i align conditions and bad outside your comfort zone and thats it.
you are number 1 and rightly so but it does not mean u will do well in those foreign conditions.
 
What current ? Current is last time australia were whitewashed by a sri lankan team which get which washed by our c team many times..

Lats time they drew a series against bangladesh which is better team and u can.t underestimate them now.and won a tests against india and drew one despite in worst conditions for them.
 
That match against bangladesh was rightly won ,Bangladesh is not that team now,a better team in home conditions .after srilanka the Aus have better team and i think u know it better.

Whether Bangladesh deserved to win that match or not isn't the matter of concern here. Fact is Australia got beaten by a low level team like Bangladesh and got whitewashed by another low level team like SL.

This just shows that beating Australia isn't a big deal. Anyone can do this. I'll only consider SA as the no 1 if they can beat India in India.
 
Yow how many test matches india have won and drew in australia in last 10 years and how many test matches australia have won and drew in india in that period ?. Forget that this was australia's first test victory in india in last 10 plus years
I know you guys are hypocrites but still man..
.it takes little to talk logical....

I thinkk india have won zero,and drew 2,while AUs have won 1 and drew 3.At least they have won a match.
 
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