I feel sorry for the new generation of Pakistan ODI cricket fans

[the Great Khan]

Pretty sure we won the Rothmans or Sharjah Cup or Pepsi/Cola cup featuring Pakistan in the 80's ....But like I said nobody cares.




Worse than your team having to make secretive arrangements to land in a different airport to avoid dealing with a violent crowd upset at losing to India in a WC Q/F ? Thats some epic Buzdilli.

And how is the game stacked in our favor now ?

you mean Indians dont care, like you didnt care when you played us and were getting hammered...I mean you didnt care even in 2012 when wall to wall ads and promotions were being run..I dont think you cared when we thrashed you in india in front of you billions..yup you didnt care then and dont care now..pray tell what are you doing on this thread then?

as for the game being stacked in your favour..lol, I dont have the time to discuss it all but lets just say the game is now fully stacked in your teams favour..e.g. flat pitches all over the world, two new balls so no reverse swing, IPL getting a window, and these are just some of the reasons..I could go on but I would rather not...

 

[Tusker]

you mean Indians dont care, like you didnt care when you played us and were getting hammered...I mean you didnt care even in 2012 when wall to wall ads and promotions were being run..I dont think you cared when we thrashed you in india in front of you billions..yup you didnt care then and dont care now..pray tell what are you doing on this thread then?

Yes nobody really cares as much as the WC matches .... times have changed ... For instance I did not watch any of the 3 ODI's in 2012 ... And also the point is that these bilaterals are no-where as one sided as you try to paint them. Nothing comes close to 6-0 and 5-0 in WC matches. Now thats what we call wiping the floor clean. And to your point didnt we win 4-1 in your backyard , Canada ? Do you see any of the Indian fans going gung-ho about those series here ?

as for the game being stacked in your favour..lol, I dont have the time to discuss it all but lets just say the game is now fully stacked in your teams favour..e.g. flat pitches all over the world, two new balls so no reverse swing, IPL getting a window, and these are just some of the reasons..I could go on but I would rather not...

Flat pitches have been around since before my grand pop was born ... one must be naive to think otherwise or for eg that pitches in Sharjah and Pak were not flat back in the day.

We havent even played like 2-3 matches since the other changes were introduced. Not sure what you are on about. And for what its worth it is your own govt/army/peoples stupidity that led to Pak players being excluded from IPL.

 

[DRsohail]

Yes nobody really cares as much as the WC matches .... times have changed ... For instance I did not watch any of the 3 ODI's in 2012 ... And also the point is that these bilaterals are no-where as one sided as you try to paint them. Nothing comes close to 6-0 and 5-0 in WC matches. Now thats what we call wiping the floor clean. And to your point didnt we win 4-1 in your backyard , Canada ? Do you see any of the Indian fans going gung-ho about those series here ?



Flat pitches have been around since before my grand pop was born ... one must be naive to think otherwise or for eg that pitches in Sharjah and Pak were not flat back in the day.

We havent even played like 2-3 matches since the other changes were introduced. Not sure what you are on about. And for what its worth it is your own govt/army/peoples stupidity that led to Pak players being excluded from IPL.

regarding
international match everone cares..u are just using immature defence mechanism..

 

[Tusker]

regarding
international match everone cares..u are just using immature defence mechanism..

we call that stating facts as they stand .... in cases you didnt notice it applies also to Indian wins in bilaterals.

 

[EliteCynical]

Conversely I feel happy about this generation of Indian fans who go into every game thinking Kohli & co can win this. Grew up in an era where Sachin's dismissal would result in switching off the TV and continuing with the daily chores, without even bothering to have a second look at the score later on. Used to be depressing really.

I always used to envy Pakistan for having this talent factory, especially in fast bowling which churned up one after another. Even shahid nazir would have walked into the Indian team back then and been an Indian ATG. I secretly admired them winning from impossible situations, defending the lowest of the low totals, having the charisma and belief to turn any game on it's head. As a youngster, it was customary to copy the batting style of Azhar (the flick) or Sachin, the crouch and the straight drive, however when it came to bowling, the actions always switched between Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Aqib and Saqlain. I, like many others was a closet Pakistani fan back in the 90's, always wanted them to win when India wasn't playing.

To see this decline in talent is really painful, but I think only Pakistan is to blame for this and no other entity. The game has taken off to stratosphere in terms of fitness, agility and raw talent can get you only so far. I hope that, for cricket's sake, Pakistan revives itself and becomes the enigmatic champion team, like the 90's, but the future looks bleak from outside, especially when there is no international games happening in Pakistan.

 

[JaDed]

Most matches are generational affect,Miandad six is remember by 80's generation and before for sure,much has been written about it as well that's why we know.

Most don't know about 1992,1999 Indian victory over Pakistan as Pakistan was a better team in those tournaments but 1996 one was spl due to Amir Sohail antics and 2003 because of Sachin's knock.

2011 good but that was Pakistan's game to loose bottled it up,2015 no one would remember.

2007 WC final is the most famous game for me personally against Pak that we genuinely did well and it mattered.

Sahara cups should be brought back imo,India vs Pak in Canada,those were the best.

 

[JaDed]

Conversely I feel happy about this generation of Indian fans who go into every game thinking Kohli & co can win this. Grew up in an era where Sachin's dismissal would result in switching off the TV and continuing with the daily chores, without even bothering to have a second look at the score later on. Used to be depressing really.

I always used to envy Pakistan for having this talent factory, especially in fast bowling which churned up one after another. Even shahid nazir would have walked into the Indian team back then and been an Indian ATG. I secretly admired them winning from impossible situations, defending the lowest of the low totals, having the charisma and belief to turn any game on it's head. As a youngster, it was customary to copy the batting style of Azhar (the flick) or Sachin, the crouch and the straight drive, however when it came to bowling, the actions always switched between Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Aqib and Saqlain. I, like many others was a closet Pakistani fan back in the 90's, always wanted them to win when India wasn't playing.

To see this decline in talent is really painful, but I think only Pakistan is to blame for this and no other entity. The game has taken off to stratosphere in terms of fitness, agility and raw talent can get you only so far. I hope that, for cricket's sake, Pakistan revives itself and becomes the enigmatic champion team, like the 90's, but the future looks bleak from outside, especially when there is no international games happening in Pakistan.

Guess you and me are from same generation growing up I used to immitate Wasim and my friend Saqlain.Pak was defn the most exciting team then for me and then South Africa for the sheer amount of all rounders.

 

[muqarrab]

Guess you and me are from same generation growing up I used to immitate Wasim and my friend Saqlain.Pak was defn the most exciting team then for me and then South Africa for the sheer amount of all rounders.

This generation of pakistani fans have it better than the generation that had to endure 86-2000s, there was solid competence (86-92) and stupidly unpredictable performance, yes they were great for the neutral but nerve wrecking for a fan. The team was a world beater but you just did not know which team will turn up on the day because of externalities, the highs were pretty good but the lows were truly mind boggling.

For the generation after 2006, they know they you will get assured and solid mediocrity from the team every day.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Conversely I feel happy about this generation of Indian fans who go into every game thinking Kohli & co can win this. Grew up in an era where Sachin's dismissal would result in switching off the TV and continuing with the daily chores, without even bothering to have a second look at the score later on. Used to be depressing really.

I always used to envy Pakistan for having this talent factory, especially in fast bowling which churned up one after another. Even shahid nazir would have walked into the Indian team back then and been an Indian ATG. I secretly admired them winning from impossible situations, defending the lowest of the low totals, having the charisma and belief to turn any game on it's head. As a youngster, it was customary to copy the batting style of Azhar (the flick) or Sachin, the crouch and the straight drive, however when it came to bowling, the actions always switched between Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Aqib and Saqlain. I, like many others was a closet Pakistani fan back in the 90's, always wanted them to win when India wasn't playing.

To see this decline in talent is really painful, but I think only Pakistan is to blame for this and no other entity. The game has taken off to stratosphere in terms of fitness, agility and raw talent can get you only so far. I hope that, for cricket's sake, Pakistan revives itself and becomes the enigmatic champion team, like the 90's, but the future looks bleak from outside, especially when there is no international games happening in Pakistan.

well said.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Conversely I feel happy about this generation of Indian fans who go into every game thinking Kohli & co can win this. Grew up in an era where Sachin's dismissal would result in switching off the TV and continuing with the daily chores, without even bothering to have a second look at the score later on. Used to be depressing really.

I always used to envy Pakistan for having this talent factory, especially in fast bowling which churned up one after another. Even shahid nazir would have walked into the Indian team back then and been an Indian ATG. I secretly admired them winning from impossible situations, defending the lowest of the low totals, having the charisma and belief to turn any game on it's head. As a youngster, it was customary to copy the batting style of Azhar (the flick) or Sachin, the crouch and the straight drive, however when it came to bowling, the actions always switched between Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Aqib and Saqlain. I, like many others was a closet Pakistani fan back in the 90's, always wanted them to win when India wasn't playing.

To see this decline in talent is really painful, but I think only Pakistan is to blame for this and no other entity. The game has taken off to stratosphere in terms of fitness, agility and raw talent can get you only so far. I hope that, for cricket's sake, Pakistan revives itself and becomes the enigmatic champion team, like the 90's, but the future looks bleak from outside, especially when there is no international games happening in Pakistan.

The nail hit squarely on the head. Great post in general.

 

[JaDed]

This generation of pakistani fans have it better than the generation that had to endure 86-2000s, there was solid competence (86-92) and stupidly unpredictable performance, yes they were great for the neutral but nerve wrecking for a fan. The team was a world beater but you just did not know which team will turn up on the day because of externalities, the highs were pretty good but the lows were truly mind boggling.

For the generation after 2006, they know they you will get assured and solid mediocrity from the team every day.

Lol no mate,better to have super highs and then lows rather than only lows,Pak did under perform in 90's no doubt but atleast they were exciting to watch,I could watch complete Pak matches then can't anymore now.

 

[Syed1]

Conversely I feel happy about this generation of Indian fans who go into every game thinking Kohli & co can win this. Grew up in an era where Sachin's dismissal would result in switching off the TV and continuing with the daily chores, without even bothering to have a second look at the score later on. Used to be depressing really.

I always used to envy Pakistan for having this talent factory, especially in fast bowling which churned up one after another. Even shahid nazir would have walked into the Indian team back then and been an Indian ATG. I secretly admired them winning from impossible situations, defending the lowest of the low totals, having the charisma and belief to turn any game on it's head. As a youngster, it was customary to copy the batting style of Azhar (the flick) or Sachin, the crouch and the straight drive, however when it came to bowling, the actions always switched between Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Aqib and Saqlain. I, like many others was a closet Pakistani fan back in the 90's, always wanted them to win when India wasn't playing.

To see this decline in talent is really painful, but I think only Pakistan is to blame for this and no other entity. The game has taken off to stratosphere in terms of fitness, agility and raw talent can get you only so far. I hope that, for cricket's sake, Pakistan revives itself and becomes the enigmatic champion team, like the 90's, but the future looks bleak from outside, especially when there is no international games happening in Pakistan.

Give this lad a POTW

 

[Stallion__]

Conversely I feel happy about this generation of Indian fans who go into every game thinking Kohli & co can win this. Grew up in an era where Sachin's dismissal would result in switching off the TV and continuing with the daily chores, without even bothering to have a second look at the score later on. Used to be depressing really.

I always used to envy Pakistan for having this talent factory, especially in fast bowling which churned up one after another. Even shahid nazir would have walked into the Indian team back then and been an Indian ATG. I secretly admired them winning from impossible situations, defending the lowest of the low totals, having the charisma and belief to turn any game on it's head. As a youngster, it was customary to copy the batting style of Azhar (the flick) or Sachin, the crouch and the straight drive, however when it came to bowling, the actions always switched between Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Aqib and Saqlain. I, like many others was a closet Pakistani fan back in the 90's, always wanted them to win when India wasn't playing.

To see this decline in talent is really painful, but I think only Pakistan is to blame for this and no other entity. The game has taken off to stratosphere in terms of fitness, agility and raw talent can get you only so far. I hope that, for cricket's sake, Pakistan revives itself and becomes the enigmatic champion team, like the 90's, but the future looks bleak from outside, especially when there is no international games happening in Pakistan.

Quality Post. Sounds like coming straight from heart.

 

[muqarrab]

Conversely I feel happy about this generation of Indian fans who go into every game thinking Kohli & co can win this. Grew up in an era where Sachin's dismissal would result in switching off the TV and continuing with the daily chores, without even bothering to have a second look at the score later on. Used to be depressing really.

I always used to envy Pakistan for having this talent factory, especially in fast bowling which churned up one after another. Even shahid nazir would have walked into the Indian team back then and been an Indian ATG. I secretly admired them winning from impossible situations, defending the lowest of the low totals, having the charisma and belief to turn any game on it's head. As a youngster, it was customary to copy the batting style of Azhar (the flick) or Sachin, the crouch and the straight drive, however when it came to bowling, the actions always switched between Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Aqib and Saqlain. I, like many others was a closet Pakistani fan back in the 90's, always wanted them to win when India wasn't playing.

To see this decline in talent is really painful, but I think only Pakistan is to blame for this and no other entity. The game has taken off to stratosphere in terms of fitness, agility and raw talent can get you only so far. I hope that, for cricket's sake, Pakistan revives itself and becomes the enigmatic champion team, like the 90's, but the future looks bleak from outside, especially when there is no international games happening in Pakistan.

Quality post. Whereas other teams have invested in systems, we have reveled far too long in producing world class teams from a non existent first class structure. Reality is catching up with us. Cricket in pakistan is on its way to become Hockey. Last few years of cricket in pakistan, enjoy it while you can.

 

[ahmadharis1]

I'm a younger Pakistan fan who really started following the team in-depth after the 2015 World Cup. Throughout the past two years all I've been hearing from older fans is that I should stop watching because I missed the golden age of Pakistan cricket.

 

[EliteCynical]

Guess you and me are from same generation growing up I used to immitate Wasim and my friend Saqlain.Pak was defn the most exciting team then for me and then South Africa for the sheer amount of all rounders.

Always got the feeling, from the posts that we were in the same age group. Glad i was not alone to imitate those folks That was a magic time to be growing up and watching these superstars

 

[Hasan123]

Conversely I feel happy about this generation of Indian fans who go into every game thinking Kohli & co can win this. Grew up in an era where Sachin's dismissal would result in switching off the TV and continuing with the daily chores, without even bothering to have a second look at the score later on. Used to be depressing really.

I always used to envy Pakistan for having this talent factory, especially in fast bowling which churned up one after another. Even shahid nazir would have walked into the Indian team back then and been an Indian ATG. I secretly admired them winning from impossible situations, defending the lowest of the low totals, having the charisma and belief to turn any game on it's head. As a youngster, it was customary to copy the batting style of Azhar (the flick) or Sachin, the crouch and the straight drive, however when it came to bowling, the actions always switched between Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Aqib and Saqlain. I, like many others was a closet Pakistani fan back in the 90's, always wanted them to win when India wasn't playing.

To see this decline in talent is really painful, but I think only Pakistan is to blame for this and no other entity. The game has taken off to stratosphere in terms of fitness, agility and raw talent can get you only so far. I hope that, for cricket's sake, Pakistan revives itself and becomes the enigmatic champion team, like the 90's, but the future looks bleak from outside, especially when there is no international games happening in Pakistan.

Thank you for your kind words.

 

[EliteCynical]

Give this lad a POTW

Thanks. You are kind.

Quality Post. Sounds like coming straight from heart.

Thanks. Said what i felt.

well said.

Thanks

 

[EliteCynical]

Quality post. Whereas other teams have invested in systems, we have reveled far too long in producing world class teams from a non existent first class structure. Reality is catching up with us. Cricket in pakistan is on its way to become Hockey. Last few years of cricket in pakistan, enjoy it while you can.

Thanks. Yes, i think the era when Pakistan used to dominate is similar to the hockey era when India won those 8 golds in olympics. Was played on natural turf, and rules allowed the stick to be maneuvered from both ends. Indians were supremely talented and wristy and just far far ahead of other countries. The moment the Europeans introduced the astro turf and changed the stick rules, it became a game of speed and agility and Indians lagged far behind. Natural talent did get them some rewards now and then, however, the legacy was lost as they couldn't catch up. Something similar is happening with Pakistan. Natural talent is getting them those occasional wow moments, but over all in LOI, their fitness and work ethics are far behind other international teams, IMO

 

[EliteCynical]

The nail hit squarely on the head. Great post in general.

Thanks. Yes, I also think the 90's generation fast bowlers were more natural athletes than the one's I am seeing these days. However, the fitness is no where near the demands of international cricket.

Thank you for your kind words.

No, thank YOU.

 

[Hasan123]

Thanks. Yes, I also think the 90's generation fast bowlers were more natural athletes than the one's I am seeing these days. However, the fitness is no where near the demands of international cricket.



No, thank YOU.

Nothing to thank me for, enjoyed reading that post.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

For any youngsters here who were not old enough during the 90s to watch the matches - All I can say is right now when you look at Pakistans ranking and see them losing throughout the year in ODI cricket, it was a totally different feeling in the 90s to that.

Fresh off a world cup win Pakistan players strutted around like champions for majority of the 90s. I use to watch Pakistan matches and expect a win. Now I am hoping somebody can string 5 good performances together in the team.

The media rated us world class, now Ian Chappell is insulting us.

Its a big difference, I am still finding it hard to adjust, given myself selective amnesia for the last decade

 

[MMHS]

lol bhai you always make me feel a bit better lol

I think, I explained that in other post somewhere.

Imad is playing in FC for 10 years now - he was bought in the team sometimes in mid of 2015 - that's around 17/18 months max. & already he is dominating the toughest side in their game. 20 overs for 4/72 in AUS ODI is outstanding for any type of bowler.

Now, this guy was debuted at least 4 years later, because of MoHa, Afridi, Malik was there. For a team like PAK, once MoHa, Malik, Ajmal played against 10 right handers, when Imad was averaging over 40 with bat & under 30 with ball in domestics for 3/4 seasons.

This is just one example - if Arthur wasn't there, MoHa would have opened in every Test from Birmingham to SCG & he would have batted at 3 for every ODI against ENG in ENG & WI in UAE. The bottom line is, unless PAK team's average age is brought down to 25 level it can't be conclusive - if then same level of intensity remains - things will be desperate & sorry definitely.

At present, it's a stability model, which is performing at a stable level, in a modern game, where players do commentary at the age PAK pacers are trying to bowl fast.

 

[Napa]

Conversely I feel happy about this generation of Indian fans who go into every game thinking Kohli & co can win this. Grew up in an era where Sachin's dismissal would result in switching off the TV and continuing with the daily chores, without even bothering to have a second look at the score later on. Used to be depressing really.

I, like many others was a closet Pakistani fan back in the 90's, always wanted them to win when India wasn't playing.

Not sure which country you grew up in, what you say is completely unlike the India I grew up in. Can't say any Indian I knew was a Pakistani fan, nor did they switch off the TV when Sachin was out. The rest of the team was pretty good too, with the Test team being ranked #1 in the mid-1990s and of course the regular beatings of Pakistan in the WCs.

 

[EliteCynical]

Not sure which country you grew up in, what you say is completely unlike the India I grew up in. Can't say any Indian I knew was a Pakistani fan, nor did they switch off the TV when Sachin was out. The rest of the team was pretty good too, with the Test team being ranked #1 in the mid-1990s and of course the regular beatings of Pakistan in the WCs.

To each his own. I grew up in New Delhi, India and I know a lot of folks who share the sentiment. May be you and I grew up in different worlds. Happens a lot of times. Cheers