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I grew up as an England fan but it doesn’t matter who you support : Moeen Ali

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We let ourselves down against Pakistan. As Eoin Morgan told us after the match, we cannot allow standards to slip in the field because it can make the difference. And it really did. Mistakes can happen. Sometimes they can build up over the course of an innings and put people even more on edge, which makes it snowball further.

But in this instance I don’t believe that was the case. It was just a general sloppiness and pretty frustrating after we put in one of our best showings against South Africa.

The nature of the tournament means an early defeat isn’t terminal. There were individual performances during the game – centuries from Joe Root and Jos Buttler – and after the South Africa game that tells me we remain in good shape. We have Bangladesh this Saturday and with it a chance to get back on track.

Naturally I was pleased with my bowling and picking up three wickets. Coming on to bowl in the opening powerplay might look stressful for a spinner but I actually quite like it. The expectation remains on the batsmen to score and that brings opportunities. Myself and Mark Wood built up some good pressure after their openers started well and it was nice to peg them back.

The ball is coming out nicely at the moment. I felt at Trent Bridge I located the right pace at which to bowl. The stumping of Fakhar Zaman was really satisfying too, because he’s such a dangerous player and after spotting him coming down, I bowled it a fraction slower and got some good turn out of the track. Jos did some great work to pull it off.

In terms of my batting, I’m disappointed I couldn’t get us over the line. Coming in with 10 runs an over required is difficult and as I’m not a massive power-hitter, it’s a case of getting one away early and going from there. It just didn’t happen this time but – and this might sound strange – I genuinely don’t feel out of nick. There is no reason to feel flustered about my recent scores.

During the Indian Premier League I found some pretty decent form and I feel I am training just as well. The difference was that those runs came up the order when you get a few more balls to settle. Root, Buttler and Ben Stokes are guys who get this. But my role means you don’t always have that luxury and so scores will inevitably fluctuate.

The atmosphere at Trent Bridge was pretty intense, with a lot of Pakistan supporters in the ground. We have spoken about this as a team because we know it will continue throughout the World Cup. But it really should not affect us because we are used to these crowds, either at home and overseas.

I had some fun out in the field. Some people were chanting “He’s one of our own” or asking me if I was fasting because of Ramadan. And I saw a few Liverpool shirts, which I gave the thumbs-up to. The fact is, whoever people are supporting, they are there to have a good time and our job is to entertain them.

Am I one of their own? To be honest, growing up I always felt slightly different to my mates as I always supported England first and they tended to follow Pakistan. I genuinely thought they should be the same as me. But over time I have changed my view on this.

Firstly, it doesn’t actually matter if someone who was born in the UK supports another country. If people have a strong affiliation to Pakistan, for example, through their roots, why can’t they support them? Who cares, right? People following cricket is the important thing.

And secondly, it is changing over time. When we get to the third and fourth generation immigrant families and beyond there will be more England supporters among them, maybe even the majority. I have had British Asians tell me they support England because of me or Adil Rashid and that’s great to hear.

And was I fasting during the match? I have played cricket while fasting during Ramadan previously but for the start of this World Cup and the series against Pakistan beforehand I have kept it to training days and days off.

You have dispensation to pause when you are travelling and I have taken up this option on match days. Even fasting on training days takes it out of you and so I think it was the sensible move. It means I have around seven days of fasting to make up now and I will be doing so over the coming weeks.

I always have a slight sense of sadness when Ramadan ends. It’s such an amazing, blessed month. For me it is like a training camp for the year. You reflect on your life and things you can improve on. And it’s not about food and drink, it’s about learning to be a better person.

So I’d like to say eid mubarak to our supporters and everyone celebrating around the world. I hope they had a blessed Ramadan and can take the spirit of the month through to the rest of the year.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/jun/05/england-moeen-ali-cricket
 
Love Moeen Ali's comments on supporting cricket - really the way to go and also a good way to accept that allegiances to specific countries are simply good for the game and mean nothing more.
 
He is looking dreadful with the bat. He is a bit of a confidence player who routinely goes through prolonged slumps, but when he gets going he is very good.

If England find themselves in a good position in the next game, they should promote him up the order to get him some time in the middle.

His batting makes a big difference to England’s fortunes. England’s batting depth doesn’t look too great when he doesn’t perform.
 
Hope Moeen doesn’t gets dropped against us :shakib but then again he may not even be required to bat against us
 
Some top comments from Moeen. Brilliant bloke.

His comments on Ramzan were truly inspiring personally
 
He is looking dreadful with the bat. He is a bit of a confidence player who routinely goes through prolonged slumps, but when he gets going he is very good.

If England find themselves in a good position in the next game, they should promote him up the order to get him some time in the middle.

His batting makes a big difference to England’s fortunes. England’s batting depth doesn’t look too great when he doesn’t perform.

When he was at the crease, Nasser mentioned from what he saw in the nets earlier that morning, he looked so out of touch.

You have to be in the worst form of your life if you're struggling in practice.
 
When he was at the crease, Nasser mentioned from what he saw in the nets earlier that morning, he looked so out of touch.

You have to be in the worst form of your life if you're struggling in practice.

He loses confidence easily, which explains his horrible performances overseas. It is quite surprising because you need a lot of mental strength and resilience to come through the ranks like he has. England cannot afford to drop him at the moment, so they have to find a way to get him going again. Promoting him to number 4 or 5 in the next game could do the trick.
 
I've not seen his home record in ODIs, but I know how it looks like in tests and there is a major disparity with his home and away stats.

His struggles away from home indeed typify his brittle mentality.

England cannot drop him because he's a very useful right-arm orthodox spinner, as shown by his 3/50 against Pakistan in their last game.

I think swapping him with Stokes at number 5 might be the way to go, especially against the likes of Bangladesh, Afghanistan and India because he's the better player of slow bowling. Stokes and Morgan bat at 4 and 5 and are both very susceptible to the right arm off-spinners, so this could be a master stroke, as England could reduce the risk of a middle-order collapse against this type of bowling.
 
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I've not seen his home record in ODIs, but I know how it looks like in tests and there is a major disparity with his home and away stats.

His struggles away from home indeed typify his brittle mentality.

England cannot drop him because he's a very useful right-arm orthodox spinner, as shown by his 3/50 against Pakistan in their last game.

I think swapping him with Stokes at number 5 might be the way to go, especially against the likes of Bangladesh, Afghanistan and India because he's the better player of slow bowling. Stokes and Morgan bat at 4 and 5 and are both very susceptible to the right arm off-spinners, so this could be a master stroke, as England could reduce the risk of a middle-order collapse against this type of bowling.

He has played some very good pressure knocks at home, so it is clearly a confidence issue rather than lack of mental strength. Promoting him up the order is probably the solution to get his confidence back.
 
His style of play means more times then not he will fail, similar to the way Afridi played but less gung ho. Overall his bowling i very handy so England won't mind too much, he will play 1 or 2 good knocks every now and then and the position he bats will mean the knocks will most probably come in match winning causes.
 
He is looking dreadful with the bat. He is a bit of a confidence player who routinely goes through prolonged slumps, but when he gets going he is very good.

If England find themselves in a good position in the next game, they should promote him up the order to get him some time in the middle.

His batting makes a big difference to England’s fortunes. England’s batting depth doesn’t look too great when he doesn’t perform.

He's highly overrated. As a bowler he only does well in England. As a batsman he's prone to some of the worst slumps like the one he went through during the last Ashes. England might wanna think about replacing him with Dawson if this wretched form with the bat continues.
 
He's highly overrated. As a bowler he only does well in England. As a batsman he's prone to some of the worst slumps like the one he went through during the last Ashes. England might wanna think about replacing him with Dawson if this wretched form with the bat continues.

He is a valuable player for England and clearly better than someone like Dawson, who is not good enough to play as a specialist batsman unlike Moeen.
 
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He's highly overrated. As a bowler he only does well in England. As a batsman he's prone to some of the worst slumps like the one he went through during the last Ashes. England might wanna think about replacing him with Dawson if this wretched form with the bat continues.

They'll replace Rashid before they replace Moeen. Rashid is currently a passenger, and no matter how poorly Ali has batted, his bowling has been consistently effective. At this point his batting is a bonus.
 
He is overrated for non-cricket reasons, but he is a valuable player for England and clearly better than someone like Dawson, who is not good enough to play as a specialist batsman unlike Moeen.

The way Moeen is batting right now, Chris Woakes might be in-line for a promotion. Never mind Dawson.
 
They'll replace Rashid before they replace Moeen. Rashid is currently a passenger, and no matter how poorly Ali has batted, his bowling has been consistently effective. At this point his batting is a bonus.

Rashid had one bad game. He has been not just England's best but also one of the world's best limited-overs spinners over the last 4 years.
 
Now think of an Indian supporitng Pakistan or some other country. THat person would be lynched to death or atleast get arrested.
 
No Indian supporting Pakistan would be lynched to death in England.

not ENgland, im talking about in India.

One would be labelled as a traitor

Hence why i have a problem with these guys controlling cricket, because they are irrational people.

Atleast ENgland or Australia controlling would result in rationality and open mindness.
 
A good humble lad. As a batsman have always seen him as a tailender!!:P
 
not ENgland, im talking about in India.

One would be labelled as a traitor

Hence why i have a problem with these guys controlling cricket, because they are irrational people.

Atleast ENgland or Australia controlling would result in rationality and open mindness.

Yes I would agree with that. At one time the Asian countries used to rail against the prejudice of the England/Aussie dominance of the ICC, but they were a lot more even handed than present version which is dictated by financial super powah boards.
 
Now think of an Indian supporitng Pakistan or some other country. THat person would be lynched to death or atleast get arrested.

Bajrangi bhaijan?
Forget other nationalities , people die in both countries when they play each other

I think moeen Ali is unique in an Asian in that his grandma Betty cox wasn’t the normal Asian grandma you only see when you visit Pakistan


If people have a strong affiliation to Pakistan, for example, through their roots, why can’t they support them?

Isn’t that the only reason British paks now support Pak, they’ve not exactly got the same flair they used to
 
Bajrangi bhaijan?
Forget other nationalities , people die in both countries when they play each other

I think moeen Ali is unique in an Asian in that his grandma Betty cox wasn’t the normal Asian grandma you only see when you visit Pakistan




Isn’t that the only reason British paks now support Pak, they’ve not exactly got the same flair they used to

not much in Pakistan.

I know people who support Virat Kohli or team india openly in Pakistan.
 
Dropped for the game vs Bangladesh - tactical move or has he been that bad?
 
Thanks for that information.

Lets see how England fare without Moeen today
 
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