"I have learnt a lot from my past mistakes" : Umar Amin

[ask_analyse_act]

Dude that six off philander right? It was beautiful, pure timing, it was just lightly hit and went all the way.

There lies the difference between pcb and a board like bcci. Rough example, Rohit not getting it in the middle order for quite some time and then given a consistent try at the top. Amin could have gone the same way, because he did look different opening than he did coming in at 154/6.

yea here is that highlights... watch that six, sheer timing https://tune.pk/video/1280842/pakistan-vs-south-africa-3rd-odi-highlights-30-november-2013-centurion

 

[msb314]

fawad!!! u must be kidding... didnt u see the aussies caught him like the rabbit caught in headlights...

a batsman with zero timing is what fawad is... he can take 20 singles but when needed to hit one boundary he has no shot to play... cannot drive, pull, cut, come down the pitch to hit six....i would not even take him in any domestic team...

Atleast Fawad can take 20 singles - Umar Amin cannot even do that!

 

[anuk]

amin's style reminds me a lot of sanga.

he has been spoken of very highly on this forum so we could be in for a treat when he gets going at the international level.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Amin has no defence, dude's more loose outside off stump than Imran Farhat.

 

[Suleiman]

But yeah despite that innings Amin is pretty raw. Has the right ingredients, just need to put them in order. It's like baking a cake. Do you eat the flour and the eggs raw? No, you have to mix the ingredients properly and then put it in the oven. It's unrealistic to throw him into intl cricket and away he goes scoring 100s for fun. If he can score consistently and then gets selected, I'm all for it
In fact, he's scoring atm, I hope he's consistent.

Been too long since we've had a classy left hander hold his place in the team for more than a fortnight.

 

[AG93]

Never. Invest in newer talent, not TTFs

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Atleast Fawad can take 20 singles - Umar Amin cannot even do that!

yes can take 20 singles,but if his scoring areas square on the off side is covered and keep bowling on the offside he will never improvise rather hitting to the same fielder 20 times..

 

[Square Drive]

Fresh off a ton.

 

[msb314]

yes can take 20 singles,but if his scoring areas square on the off side is covered and keep bowling on the offside he will never improvise rather hitting to the same fielder 20 times..

Fawad may hit the ball to the same fielder 20 times but Amin will be out before facing 20 balls....

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Fawad may hit the ball to the same fielder 20 times but Amin will be out before facing 20 balls....

well, amin saves 19 balls then and fawad wastes 20 balls hitting to the same fielder and staying N.O...

 

[Hawkeye]

Doing great in domestic. Will be recalled soon and should be given a run like failure Shehzad was given.

 

[Suleiman]

Doing great in domestic. Will be recalled soon and should be given a run like failure Shehzad was given.

Yeah, would slot straight into the xi, we desperately need a left hander. Since Babar doesn't want to open anymore Amin is worth a shot, and I don't think anyone is in his way in tests either.

 

[Asadullah]

Never in a decade!! Are you guys serious?

He was the worst player to play for Pakistan ever! Couldn't play spin, couldn't rotate strike, no defence.. The biggest siifarishi we've had in recent years

 

[WC-Passion]

I can't believe we're now actually saying that Umar Amin would work in ODI's.

This is a new low. Can't wait for an even more one dimensional team.

 

[Passionate Observer]

Quality player, didn't get enough opportunities like Akmal clan or Maqsood, Sharjeel etc. Has a solid technique and is suited to the opening slot.

 

[proud_pakistani]

I would have to agree that Amin needs a longer run. One game against West Indies in T20s I remember he was very impressive. I would like to see him bat at 3 or even as an opener.

 

[Hawkeye]

I can't believe we're now actually saying that Umar Amin would work in ODI's.

This is a new low. Can't wait for an even more one dimensional team.

A post can't get any more random than this, without any reasoning and logic.

 

[Hawkeye]

Yeah, would slot straight into the xi, we desperately need a left hander. Since Babar doesn't want to open anymore Amin is worth a shot, and I don't think anyone is in his way in tests either.

He can work both as an opener and a middle order bat, but has mostly played in the middle. Not too late, one down would be ideal.

 

[Lords]

Why not Imran Nazir. He cant be worse then shez

 

[#GreenRoars]

Why not Imran Nazir. He cant be worse then shez

He can't play cricket, suffering from some disease.

 

[WC-Passion]

A post can't get any more random than this, without any reasoning and logic.

I think he would work in tests but our ODI lineup doesn't need Umar Amin.

 

[Pace90]

Why not Imran Nazir. He cant be worse then shez

Its 2015, not 2005 BTW

 

[Hawkeye]

I think he would work in tests but our ODI lineup doesn't need Umar Amin.

He's a proper stroke maker and a fluent player, the exact kind we need in our ODI team.

Can easily accelerate without taking any risks, thanks to his range of shots. Of course, he's not a late order hitter, but can prove to be a perfect partner for Haris Sohail in the top order.

Maqsood, Rizwan easily get bogged down. The former can only slog while Rizwan hasn't convinced me as a long term option. Has limited shots and is too weak against spin.

 

[WC-Passion]

He's a proper stroke maker and a fluent player, the exact kind we need in our ODI team.

Can easily accelerate without taking any risks, thanks to his range of shots. Of course, he's not a late order hitter, but can prove to be a perfect partner for Haris Sohail in the top order.

Maqsood, Rizwan easily get bogged down. The former can only slog while Rizwan hasn't convinced me as a long term option. Has limited shots and is too weak against spin.

I'm a bit skeptical about him. Not sure if he's just a domestic bully or something, I guess we can try him out.

 

[Monsee]

If some here think that Maqsood, Rizwan, Babar etc. are inferior to Umar Amin, then 'thinking' is a word which might be a bit too strong of a mental activity for these folks!

Can someone point to a single decent-ish innings he played while being given the chance to play for the senior team? He is just like many others, a domestic hero at best, nothing more

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Ok! so he plays one good innings in domestic and he is ready for world domination.

 

[dashing_man]

He can come in the team when he's a 35. That's the age when our batsmen correct their faults and starts performing at international level

 

[Legbreak]

Why not recall Sharjeel then who has a better domestic average and played only 8 Odis, surely he also deserves a long run in the team

 

[Asadullah]

Why not recall Sharjeel then who has a better domestic average and played only 8 Odis, surely he also deserves a long run in the team

Does not have the kind of sifarish that guys like Umar Amin, Shan Masood have. Will never be given a long run

Could have developed into a strong opener for us had selectors been more unbaised

 

[Ahson8]

Well he has been piling on the runs in this domestic tournament. Another century today.

I'm still a bit reluctant about him being recalled to the team (and I guess the selectors will be too), because of his previous performances at the international level, but if he has a good PSL, he will be hard to ignore.

 

[Ummer Khan]

Amin leading the scoring chart this year. Get this guy in the team asap.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Few months ago I commented in a thread regarding pakistan middle order prospective batsman in test cricket in 2016.

The debate revolved around whether younis or misbah or both would or would not make pakistan test squad to England and who apart from Asad Shafique and Azhar Ali will make the squad or should make the squad.

I had an opinion that following batsman should be considered by selection committee and 1 or 2 of these should be picked depending upon their performance in quaid e azam trophy.

1. Haris Sohail
2. Babar Azam
3. Usman Salahuddin
4. Sarmad Bhatti
5. Umar Siddique
6. Umar Amin
7. Umar Akmal
8. Fawad Alam

I proposed a strange criteria for Umar Akmal's selection. I said he should only be selected if he scores 2 or 3 Fc tons this season. Otherwise he shouldn't be even considered no matter what.

For Umar Amin I said only select him for Pakistan test team if he is in top 3 runs scorers OF QEA trophy which previously he never has been in his Fc career.

Now my personal choice out of the 8 would have been Haris Sohail , Babar Azam , Umar Amin or Umar Akmal. With priority being Haris Sohail if fit.

Now prospectively Babar Azam , Umar Amin and Umar Akmal are left. Out of whom 1 or 2 will be selected for 17 members test squad for England.

If SNGPL , KRL or SSGC go till final than these players have 9 innings left. But actually it isn't so. Because Babar Azam and Umar Akmal will be in fitness camp from 24th December plus than they will be in new Zealand Odi and T20 squad. Babar Azam may make both squads this time and Umar Akmal just T20 squad unless he scores a 150 in this current Fc game than he will make odi squad too.

So if Umar Amin can score 219 more runs in QEA trophy than his chances of making England tour will be 80 %. If he scores 319 more runs and scores 1000 Fc runs this season than 100 % sure he will make England test squad.

Why I am predicting this ?

1. Haris Sohail injured

2. Fawad Alam technique not suitable for English conditions

3. Babar Azam hasn't made test debut yet.

4. Umar Akmal again had average Fc season uptil now.

5. Zain Abbass , Abid Ali and Umar Siddique haven't represented pakistan yet so selectors won't risk them for England tour.

6. Umar Amin has already played for Pakistan in all formats. He has already toured with pakistan team to England. He is currently top run getter of QEA. He has got a simple good technique. With Hafeez unable to ball he can bowl 8 to 10 overs of right arm medium stuff which will give rest to our pacers.

If Umar Amin holds his composure and temperament in next 2 games he will be in pakistan test squad surely. Circumstances are favouring him massively and he has performed timely.

Meanwhile , I am not sure whether it's T20 series or Odi series first with New Zealand. So suppose it's T20's first and Babar Azam isn't in that squad and leaves with odi squad later than if he can score 1 century in current match and another after fitness camp in next Fc game than he may make England tour as an opener or as a 17th member of squad as a backup for middle order.

I know Fawad was in the last test squad. I know had the series been in UAE he would have surely made the test squad again. I also know he has scored 553 runs in current trophy uptil now has played 2 lesser ganes than Umar Amin. I know fawad averages 57 and Amin 40 in Fc cricket but personally I would prefer Umar Amin for England tour.

If Umar Amin and Fawad both get selected for England tour than Babar Azam won't be selected neither as opener nor as middle order batsman unless any of Azhar, Asad, Misbah or younis get injured or any of misbah or younis retire suddenly.

But if I have the authority I will pick :

1. Misbah
2. Younis
3. Asad
4. Azhar
5. Umar Amin
6. Babar Azam

For the test squad for England Tour.

 

[Fantasy]

Few months ago I commented in a thread regarding pakistan middle order prospective batsman in test cricket in 2016.

The debate revolved around whether younis or misbah or both would or would not make pakistan test squad to England and who apart from Asad Shafique and Azhar Ali will make the squad or should make the squad.

I had an opinion that following batsman should be considered by selection committee and 1 or 2 of these should be picked depending upon their performance in quaid e azam trophy.

1. Haris Sohail
2. Babar Azam
3. Usman Salahuddin
4. Sarmad Bhatti
5. Umar Siddique
6. Umar Amin
7. Umar Akmal
8. Fawad Alam

I proposed a strange criteria for Umar Akmal's selection. I said he should only be selected if he scores 2 or 3 Fc tons this season. Otherwise he shouldn't be even considered no matter what.

For Umar Amin I said only select him for Pakistan test team if he is in top 3 runs scorers OF QEA trophy which previously he never has been in his Fc career.

Now my personal choice out of the 8 would have been Haris Sohail , Babar Azam , Umar Amin or Umar Akmal. With priority being Haris Sohail if fit.

Now prospectively Babar Azam , Umar Amin and Umar Akmal are left. Out of whom 1 or 2 will be selected for 17 members test squad for England.

If SNGPL , KRL or SSGC go till final than these players have 9 innings left. But actually it isn't so. Because Babar Azam and Umar Akmal will be in fitness camp from 24th December plus than they will be in new Zealand Odi and T20 squad. Babar Azam may make both squads this time and Umar Akmal just T20 squad unless he scores a 150 in this current Fc game than he will make odi squad too.

So if Umar Amin can score 219 more runs in QEA trophy than his chances of making England tour will be 80 %. If he scores 319 more runs and scores 1000 Fc runs this season than 100 % sure he will make England test squad.

Why I am predicting this ?

1. Haris Sohail injured

2. Fawad Alam technique not suitable for English conditions

3. Babar Azam hasn't made test debut yet.

4. Umar Akmal again had average Fc season uptil now.

5. Zain Abbass , Abid Ali and Umar Siddique haven't represented pakistan yet so selectors won't risk them for England tour.

6. Umar Amin has already played for Pakistan in all formats. He has already toured with pakistan team to England. He is currently top run getter of QEA. He has got a simple good technique. With Hafeez unable to ball he can bowl 8 to 10 overs of right arm medium stuff which will give rest to our pacers.

If Umar Amin holds his composure and temperament in next 2 games he will be in pakistan test squad surely. Circumstances are favouring him massively and he has performed timely.

Meanwhile , I am not sure whether it's T20 series or Odi series first with New Zealand. So suppose it's T20's first and Babar Azam isn't in that squad and leaves with odi squad later than if he can score 1 century in current match and another after fitness camp in next Fc game than he may make England tour as an opener or as a 17th member of squad as a backup for middle order.

I know Fawad was in the last test squad. I know had the series been in UAE he would have surely made the test squad again. I also know he has scored 553 runs in current trophy uptil now has played 2 lesser ganes than Umar Amin. I know fawad averages 57 and Amin 40 in Fc cricket but personally I would prefer Umar Amin for England tour.

If Umar Amin and Fawad both get selected for England tour than Babar Azam won't be selected neither as opener nor as middle order batsman unless any of Azhar, Asad, Misbah or younis get injured or any of misbah or younis retire suddenly.

But if I have the authority I will pick :

1. Misbah
2. Younis
3. Asad
4. Azhar
5. Umar Amin
6. Babar Azam

For the test squad for England Tour.

What are his stats in ongoing QeA trophy?

 

[Abdullah719]

What are his stats in ongoing QeA trophy?

681 runs in 9 matches at 62. 3 100s and 3 50s. Top scorer.

 

[Seen Sheen]

Putting forward a strong case. Needs to stay at the top till the end of the season. He would definitely earn a call-up for the tour of England.

 

[Seen Sheen]

Can anyone tell what position has he made most runs from in the ongoing QEA Trophy? If I am not mistaken, he has switched his position frequently this season in the batting order.

 

[21-1(BrockLesnar)]

I think if he can keep his form going he should be picked for the tour of NZ, and he will definitely come in handy when we tour England since he already has experience from the 2010 tour, and i seem to remember him being very useful with the ball in those seaming condition. However this all depends on how well he can transfer his form from the domestic setting to the international level which is something he hasn't been able to do yet for various different reasons.

 

[waleed88]

Another Awais Zia

 

[Pace90]

He's forcing his way back to ODI and test team.

 

[Mamoon]

Past record is mediocre but you can only look forward - he has been piling up the runs while our middle-order is clearly struggling - Umar, Sohaib have lost it completely, Rizwan and Sarfraz have not been consistent enough and Haris seems to be injured for eternity - there is room for Amin to cement himself and he will eventually get another chance soon.

Would like to see him get an opportunity to fill his boots in the UAE though; he has not played a Test here and has played 15 ODIs in 5 years, hardly a chance. His F/C average is around 40 now so that should be good enough to satisfy the armchair statisticians on PakPassion.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Past record is mediocre but you can only look forward - he has been piling up the runs while our middle-order is clearly struggling - Umar, Sohaib have lost it completely, Rizwan and Sarfraz have not been consistent enough and Haris seems to be injured for eternity - there is room for Amin to cement himself and he will eventually get another chance soon.

Would like to see him get an opportunity to fill his boots in the UAE though; he has not played a Test here and has played 15 ODIs in 5 years, hardly a chance. His F/C average is around 40 now so that should be good enough to satisfy the armchair statisticians on PakPassion.

Welcome back. He has almost booked his place for England test squad. Many things going in his favour as he has ticked many boxes.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Few months ago I commented in a thread regarding pakistan middle order prospective batsman in test cricket in 2016.

The debate revolved around whether younis or misbah or both would or would not make pakistan test squad to England and who apart from Asad Shafique and Azhar Ali will make the squad or should make the squad.

I had an opinion that following batsman should be considered by selection committee and 1 or 2 of these should be picked depending upon their performance in quaid e azam trophy.

1. Haris Sohail
2. Babar Azam
3. Usman Salahuddin
4. Sarmad Bhatti
5. Umar Siddique
6. Umar Amin
7. Umar Akmal
8. Fawad Alam

I proposed a strange criteria for Umar Akmal's selection. I said he should only be selected if he scores 2 or 3 Fc tons this season. Otherwise he shouldn't be even considered no matter what.

For Umar Amin I said only select him for Pakistan test team if he is in top 3 runs scorers OF QEA trophy which previously he never has been in his Fc career.

Now my personal choice out of the 8 would have been Haris Sohail , Babar Azam , Umar Amin or Umar Akmal. With priority being Haris Sohail if fit.

Now prospectively Babar Azam , Umar Amin and Umar Akmal are left. Out of whom 1 or 2 will be selected for 17 members test squad for England.

If SNGPL , KRL or SSGC go till final than these players have 9 innings left. But actually it isn't so. Because Babar Azam and Umar Akmal will be in fitness camp from 24th December plus than they will be in new Zealand Odi and T20 squad. Babar Azam may make both squads this time and Umar Akmal just T20 squad unless he scores a 150 in this current Fc game than he will make odi squad too.

So if Umar Amin can score 219 more runs in QEA trophy than his chances of making England tour will be 80 %. If he scores 319 more runs and scores 1000 Fc runs this season than 100 % sure he will make England test squad.

Why I am predicting this ?

1. Haris Sohail injured

2. Fawad Alam technique not suitable for English conditions

3. Babar Azam hasn't made test debut yet.

4. Umar Akmal again had average Fc season uptil now.

5. Zain Abbass , Abid Ali and Umar Siddique haven't represented pakistan yet so selectors won't risk them for England tour.

6. Umar Amin has already played for Pakistan in all formats. He has already toured with pakistan team to England. He is currently top run getter of QEA. He has got a simple good technique. With Hafeez unable to ball he can bowl 8 to 10 overs of right arm medium stuff which will give rest to our pacers.

If Umar Amin holds his composure and temperament in next 2 games he will be in pakistan test squad surely. Circumstances are favouring him massively and he has performed timely.

Meanwhile , I am not sure whether it's T20 series or Odi series first with New Zealand. So suppose it's T20's first and Babar Azam isn't in that squad and leaves with odi squad later than if he can score 1 century in current match and another after fitness camp in next Fc game than he may make England tour as an opener or as a 17th member of squad as a backup for middle order.

I know Fawad was in the last test squad. I know had the series been in UAE he would have surely made the test squad again. I also know he has scored 553 runs in current trophy uptil now has played 2 lesser ganes than Umar Amin. I know fawad averages 57 and Amin 40 in Fc cricket but personally I would prefer Umar Amin for England tour.

If Umar Amin and Fawad both get selected for England tour than Babar Azam won't be selected neither as opener nor as middle order batsman unless any of Azhar, Asad, Misbah or younis get injured or any of misbah or younis retire suddenly.

But if I have the authority I will pick :

1. Misbah
2. Younis
3. Asad
4. Azhar
5. Umar Amin
6. Babar Azam

For the test squad for England Tour.

[MENTION=34564]asfandyar[/MENTION]

He is not an emerging player. He is a seasoned player. He just needed one good season. With Haris being injured , Fawad not having suitable technique for England, Babar not making test debut yet , Usman Salahuddin and Umar Akmal not scoring enough etc etc Umar Amin is ticking most boxes than any and now averaging 40 plus. With No Haris Sohail he is almost there. One more hundred will seal it.

 

[Finisher]

Shouldn't be selected for the england series, UA needs to carry on this form and be selected for a home series.

He couldn't make much of a impact for Walsall cricket club in the English conditions.

Anderson and broad will destroy his career most likely

 

[Statsman]

Kamran Akmal (WK)
Naser Jamshed
Umar Amin (C)
Omar Akmal
Fawad Alam
Sohaib Maqsood

This is the future. Talent!

 

[asfandyar]

[MENTION=34564]asfandyar[/MENTION]

He is not an emerging player. He is a seasoned player. He just needed one good season. With Haris being injured , Fawad not having suitable technique for England, Babar not making test debut yet , Usman Salahuddin and Umar Akmal not scoring enough etc etc Umar Amin is ticking most boxes than any and now averaging 40 plus. With No Haris Sohail he is almost there. One more hundred will seal it.

At this point of his career, he is still an emerging player as he has only recently bumped his average up to 40 in FC, while being mediocre for the large part of his career. Imran Farhat was also a domestic veteran, but his performances in Internationals warranted consideration years before he was finally discarded. Umar Amin is a similar case, as is Asad Shafiq. Our selectors make two mistakes at the opposite ends of the spectrum: They don't know how to pick players who are setting the domestic stage on fire at the right time,. They also cannot judge when to let go of a player when he is past his expiry date. A combine average of 15.87 over a span of 29 innings is beyond pathetic, and in the case of Umar Amin, determines his expiry date.

Haris Sohail, Fawad Alam, Umar Akmal, M Rizwan, Usman Salahuddin, Umar Siddiq, Sohaib Maqsood, Saad Ali, Fakhar Zaman et al and even the likes of Mohammad Waqqas, Imran Butt and Saud Shakeel (who are relatively new) are all ahead of him in the pecking order. The only team that Umar Amin can make it to is the T20 team.

 

[ads101]

Should be in our T20 team definitely. And then potentially our ODI team if he looks good enough.

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

Past record is mediocre but you can only look forward - he has been piling up the runs while our middle-order is clearly struggling - Umar, Sohaib have lost it completely, Rizwan and Sarfraz have not been consistent enough and Haris seems to be injured for eternity - there is room for Amin to cement himself and he will eventually get another chance soon.

Would like to see him get an opportunity to fill his boots in the UAE though; he has not played a Test here and has played 15 ODIs in 5 years, hardly a chance. His F/C average is around 40 now so that should be good enough to satisfy the armchair statisticians on PakPassion.

Sad state of Pakistan when Umar Amin, who has looked embarrassingly bad at the international level is being recalled.

Not saying he doesn't have talent, but you and I have seen him enough to know that he simply may not have it. That factor that takes you from performing at home and it translating at the international level. It's like a disease that plagues our players.

It is like Shafiq whom I will never understand.

Do they come to the international stage and then their heart and soul leaves them? Voodoo? Illuminati?

 

[Pace90]

At this point of his career, he is still an emerging player as he has only recently bumped his average up to 40 in FC, while being mediocre for the large part of his career. Imran Farhat was also a domestic veteran, but his performances in Internationals warranted consideration years before he was finally discarded. Umar Amin is a similar case, as is Asad Shafiq. Our selectors make two mistakes at the opposite ends of the spectrum: They don't know how to pick players who are setting the domestic stage on fire at the right time,. They also cannot judge when to let go of a player when he is past his expiry date. A combine average of 15.87 over a span of 29 innings is beyond pathetic, and in the case of Umar Amin, determines his expiry date.

Haris Sohail, Fawad Alam, Umar Akmal, M Rizwan, Usman Salahuddin, Umar Siddiq, Sohaib Maqsood, Saad Ali, Fakhar Zaman et al and even the likes of Mohammad Waqqas, Imran Butt and Saud Shakeel (who are relatively new) are all ahead of him in the pecking order. The only team that Umar Amin can make it to is the T20 team.

FGS, what kind of cricket expert you are. The guy is just 26, is one of the most technically correct batsman in Pakistan at the moment. He was discarded for being not so consistent, now he is fighting his way back to national team with consistsent performance. What else one has to do make a come back. We all hope he will be a more matured and solid batsman this time. Why are you showing this much negativity for him.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Past record is mediocre but you can only look forward - he has been piling up the runs while our middle-order is clearly struggling - Umar, Sohaib have lost it completely, Rizwan and Sarfraz have not been consistent enough and Haris seems to be injured for eternity - there is room for Amin to cement himself and he will eventually get another chance soon.

Would like to see him get an opportunity to fill his boots in the UAE though; he has not played a Test here and has played 15 ODIs in 5 years, hardly a chance. His F/C average is around 40 now so that should be good enough to satisfy the armchair statisticians on PakPassion.

in odis :

hafeez
haris
babar
akmal
sohaib
rizwan
malik
haris (when fit)

really think he can fit in there. maybe he can open but i want someone aggressive opening with azhar. hafeez opening will solve lots of problems but hes been a beast at 3

 

[asfandyar]

FGS, what kind of cricket expert you are. The guy is just 26, is one of the most technically correct batsman in Pakistan at the moment. He was discarded for being not so consistent, now he is fighting his way back to national team with consistsent performance. What else one has to do make a come back. We all hope he will be a more matured and solid batsman this time. Why are you showing this much negativity for him.

Please read my post again without the goggles of fanboyism. I have nothing against Umar Amin's selection. I am just pointing out that if he were selected, it would be injustice to all the names I have mentioned in my previous post and more.

And I am sorry, but your assessment of Amin's technique seems to be biased. Technique is defined as "a way of carrying out a particular task, especially the execution or performance of an artistic work or a scientific procedure." Please pay heed to the word in bold case, as that alone makes Umar Amin and Asad Shafiq technically inept. The most technically correct batsmen in Pakistan is Haris Sohail. Umar Amin doesn't even come close. Please also consider the definition of the word grace, which is defined as "smoothness and elegance of movement." Umar Amin is graceful and elegant no doubt (only second to Asad Shafiq), but is nowhere near technically correct.

 

[Mamoon]

Sad state of Pakistan when Umar Amin, who has looked embarrassingly bad at the international level is being recalled.

Not saying he doesn't have talent, but you and I have seen him enough to know that he simply may not have it. That factor that takes you from performing at home and it translating at the international level. It's like a disease that plagues our players.

It is like Shafiq whom I will never understand.

Do they come to the international stage and then their heart and soul leaves them? Voodoo? Illuminati?

It has been cliched over and over again but if we consider two main factors, it is obviously our poor F/C level and a poor batting culture.

Speaking of Amin, I was under the impression that with the rise of Haris (who IMO is the best batsman in his age group in the country, fitness issues notwithstanding) Amin will probably not play for Pakistan again for a long time, but now the question is when will Haris play for Pakistan again.

Amin is entering his peak years as batsman and it wasn't long ago that he was averaging 35 in F/C, not it is around 40. Considering our lack of options, I think he deserves an extended run now. If he fails again over a course of 2-3 series, time to move on. Expectations from him (for most people) are likely to be low anyway, so nothing much to lose here.

If Hafeez isn't on board for the NZ tour, Amin would be an ideal replacement. Shehzad might get dropped from ODIs as well, and the likes of Maqsood and Umar are not in contention and Haris of course is not fit, so there's plenty of room for him and it is a great opportunity for him to finally come good.

 

[Hawkeye]

As a long time Amin backer, it'll be fun to see him make a comeback and prove his haters wrong. Most are excel sheet warriors.

He's going to make it big and can be one of our batting stars.

 

[hadi123]

Alright, after his recent performances he does deserve a recall, I have little faith but he is doing amazing this season

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[anuk]

The PSL could be the perfect opportunity for him. He's obviously uber talented and classy as hell but seems to have a confidence issue that's holding him back from being the next great pakistani batsman.

 

[Asadullah]

Worst player to play for Pakistan ever. I mean ever!

Missed straight deliveries only last October, and made a joke of himself in both ODIs and T20s in UAE decks. Has been pathetic on both English tours (2010, 2013).

Has worse batting than Zulfiqar Babar. Not sure what can be more stupid selection than his

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

It has been cliched over and over again but if we consider two main factors, it is obviously our poor F/C level and a poor batting culture.

Speaking of Amin, I was under the impression that with the rise of Haris (who IMO is the best batsman in his age group in the country, fitness issues notwithstanding) Amin will probably not play for Pakistan again for a long time, but now the question is when will Haris play for Pakistan again.

Amin is entering his peak years as batsman and it wasn't long ago that he was averaging 35 in F/C, not it is around 40. Considering our lack of options, I think he deserves an extended run now. If he fails again over a course of 2-3 series, time to move on. Expectations from him (for most people) are likely to be low anyway, so nothing much to lose here.

If Hafeez isn't on board for the NZ tour, Amin would be an ideal replacement. Shehzad might get dropped from ODIs as well, and the likes of Maqsood and Umar are not in contention and Haris of course is not fit, so there's plenty of room for him and it is a great opportunity for him to finally come good.

What's the problem with our batsmen? Is it simply talent? Is it wrong grooming at the elite level? A bit of both?

I am not in Pakistan, so I don't want to comment and simply chastise every player, when I don't have the full story.

There is a lot more going on in Pakistan than cricket, so I can give them a pass as to us falling in the world cricket rankings, but I want a better understanding of what is the problem.

Ego? Lack of hard work? Talent? Mentorship? Mental fortitude? Fear of losing their spot after every failure?

 

[Mamoon]

What's the problem with our batsmen? Is it simply talent? Is it wrong grooming at the elite level? A bit of both?

I am not in Pakistan, so I don't want to comment and simply chastise every player, when I don't have the full story.

There is a lot more going on in Pakistan than cricket, so I can give them a pass as to us falling in the world cricket rankings, but I want a better understanding of what is the problem.

Ego? Lack of hard work? Talent? Mentorship? Mental fortitude? Fear of losing their spot after every failure?

I think that the word talent is not something that should be associated with batting. Unlike fast bowling, you don't need any prominent physical attributes to be a great batsman. Batsmen come in all forms and sizes, unlike fast bowlers (to a certain extent - more so than batsmen).

Batsmen are nurtured, developed and for that to happen, you need proper methodical coaching. Is it then really surprising that Pakistan has always historically lagged when it comes to the the more complex aspect of cricket? Definitely not.

Our batsmen are undercooked because they don't have the basics right. How does one explain a batsman playing international cricket struggling so much against googly (Rizwan and Maqsood) as if they haven't dealt with this delivery before in domestic cricket.

Look at the way our batsmen run between the wickets, the way they construct their innings etc. It all shows the lack of cricketing education that they have received during their developmental years and the lack of mentorship.

Not everyone is a finished article when they make their debut, yes, but there is simply no excuse for certain players to be repeating the same mistakes over and over again for years and not have it rectified.

The batting culture in Pakistan needs a paradigm shift, and it is a long-term process. Only then will we have our young batsmen compete with the likes of Williamson, Kohli, Root, Smith etc., otherwise they will remain a level below as is the case at the moment.

 

[waleed88]

What a failiure..

 

[Hawkeye]

What a failiure..

Hain?

How come failing to score in one T20 league match means he's a failure lol?

I expect better.

He's the top three bats in PAK. Haris, Babar and Amin. Also Umar Akmal.

 

[waleed88]

Hain?

How come failing to score in one T20 league match means he's a failure lol?

I expect better.

He's the top three bats in PAK. Haris, Babar and Amin. Also Umar Akmal.

He has to make it count if he wants to make a comeback.. Such no shows only harm his reputation..
He cant say he was played too low, or too high or any of the bs he usually gives.

 

[The_KING]

Overrated player

 

[Hawkeye]

It's time.

Umar Amin has matured a lot - he always had the raw abiliity and ingredients, but I think he was short on confidence, lacking consistency.

But, he has started topping domestic charts.

And we all know - on batting potential, Umar Amin and Haris sohail are the best batsmen in the country.

CLH can also play freely, hit strokes all around the park without much effort. Makes batting looks so easy on the eyes - just a nudge and ball goes for four. Sweet timer.

Inzi should give him a run of 20 matches.

Azhar, Rizwan, Hafeez, Malik, Imad, Nawaz, etc. etc. won't lead us anywhere.

 

[Deception]

To be fair Umar Amin wasn't handled properly almost all matches he played at 6 rather he is a 3,4 batsmen. Feel for him, i always felt he deserves another chance but guys like hafeez,younis,misbah,malik kept blocking his way, now is the time to overhaul this team turn upside down and he should be part of this.
Interestingly when Mickey Authur was appointed and later landed in pakistan i saw a video of Mickey and Umar Amin having indoor batting session.

 

[Dubawi]

Its time to overhaul this team. He can easily be blooded into the top 3 for ODI's. He has been making decent runs in Quaid E Azam trophy for past couple of seasons and its time he is given a consistent run.

Its time to get rid of Hafeez, Malik, Azhar from this ODI side.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

To be fair Umar Amin wasn't handled properly almost all matches he played at 6 rather he is a 3,4 batsmen. Feel for him, i always felt he deserves another chance but guys like hafeez,younis,misbah,malik kept blocking his way, now is the time to overhaul this team turn upside down and he should be part of this.
Interestingly when Mickey Authur was appointed and later landed in pakistan i saw a video of Mickey and Umar Amin having indoor batting session.

any proof on tht video u saw

 

[anuk]

Not trying to overhype umar but he does remind me of 2007-2010 sanga without the looseness against the moving ball. Possible replacement for the captaincy when the time is right as well.

 

[shah_1]

Umar has wrongly been used by the team. He was playing at 6, so what do you really expect from him ?

He was so close to get selected until he got injured and lost the captaincy of Pakistan A.

New selectors didn't select him for Pakistan A tour in England. SAD

 

[Syed1]

The problem is everybody and their aunt wants to bat in the top 3-4.

U.Akmal, U.Amin, Haris Sohail, Babar Azam, Maqsood, Sarfaraz etc etc.. All of these batsman are of the opinion that their best positions are higher up in the order.

Now how to accommodate all of them???

 

[shah_1]

The problem is everybody and their aunt wants to bat in the top 3-4.

U.Akmal, U.Amin, Haris Sohail, Babar Azam, Maqsood, Sarfaraz etc etc.. All of these batsman are of the opinion that their best positions are higher up in the order.

Now how to accommodate all of them???

Umar Amin will be an average ODI batsman just like Azhar and Asad. I think he will be better than Babar and Harris in test cricket.

Should be the first batsman to get selected when Misbah retires.

 

[AJM-Q]

The problem is everybody and their aunt wants to bat in the top 3-4.

U.Akmal, U.Amin, Haris Sohail, Babar Azam, Maqsood, Sarfaraz etc etc.. All of these batsman are of the opinion that their best positions are higher up in the order.

Now how to accommodate all of them???

Thats the major problem. We need 3 out of our top 6 bats to be aggressive power hitters. But just to squeeze their favourites into the team we have malik at 6 and had azhar opening (before hafeez injury)

We need to cut out the accumalators. The last odi we could see as azhar babar sarfraz sami malik were asked to bat at a strike rate of above 100+ they got uncomfortable and lost their wickets.

Even if we add fawad amin haris saud to the list only 3 out of all of these guys should be in the top 6.

Syed if you could pick just 3 of these accumalators, who would you pick??

 

[Syed1]

Thats the major problem. We need 3 out of our top 6 bats to be aggressive power hitters. But just to squeeze their favourites into the team we have malik at 6 and had azhar opening (before hafeez injury)

We need to cut out the accumalators. The last odi we could see as azhar babar sarfraz sami malik were asked to bat at a strike rate of above 100+ they got uncomfortable and lost their wickets.

Even if we add fawad amin haris saud to the list only 3 out of all of these guys should be in the top 6.

Syed if you could pick just 3 of these accumalators, who would you pick??

Haris, Babar and Sarfaraz. A good mix of batsman who can attack pacers and spinners and also rotate the strike fluently, but these three would be the only accumulators in my side and the rest would be bashers in the mould of Sharjeel or U.Akmal.

 

[Inzi_fan_No_1]

Getting desperate now.

 

[Dubawi]

76 (50) to guide Rams home tonight
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/1047779.html

He should be on selectors radar sooner rather than later

 

[Justcrazy]

He is no better than current batters.

He looks pleasing to eye but does not have temperament to last long in International Cricket.

 

[*syed59*]

It's time.

Umar Amin has matured a lot - he always had the raw abiliity and ingredients, but I think he was short on confidence, lacking consistency.

But, he has started topping domestic charts.

And we all know - on batting potential, Umar Amin and Haris sohail are the best batsmen in the country.

CLH can also play freely, hit strokes all around the park without much effort. Makes batting looks so easy on the eyes - just a nudge and ball goes for four. Sweet timer.

Inzi should give him a run of 20 matches.

Azhar, Rizwan, Hafeez, Malik, Imad, Nawaz, etc. etc. won't lead us anywhere.

I think we should stop mixing someone playing pakke pakke khobssorat shots, to having "batting potential". This mentality has given us Hafeez, Malik and Akmals.

 

[Zaz]

has he learnt how to bat then?

 

[Hawkeye]

Top performances so far this National T20 cup.

Again brilliant batting today with 5 down already, very good considering the situation.

 

[FreakCricket]

mentally limited player, wouldnt make a cut to the best eleven ppl should stop dreaming about him!

 

[MenInG]

So does he not deserve a comeback in the senior side? (86* against Zim)

 

[Hawkeye]

So does he not deserve a comeback in the senior side? (86* against Zim)

Absolutely.

The most aesthetically pleasing, technically correct, best stroke-maker in the country right now.

Plus has lots of performances in the last 1-2 years too.