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"I have toughened up mentally after having faced some adversities" : Umar Amin

We invested in the wrong Umar. Had Amin got as many chances and preferential treatment as Akmal he would have had given a much better output.
 
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Malik and Hafeez can play for more than a decade despite failing continuously so I have no issue in playing Amin.
 
Syed1 said:
We invested in the wrong Umar. Had Amin got as many chances and preferential treatment as Akmal he would have had given a much better output.
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Lol please.

Amin, can't even perform in Domestic against C Grade bowlers.
 
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Hasan123 said:
Malik and Hafeez can play for more than a decade despite failing continuously so I have no issue in playing Amin.
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And that's why Pakistan will always be a poor cricketing nation.

Attitude like this.
 
Chokli said:
And that's why Pakistan will always be a poor cricketing nation.

Attitude like this.
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Selecting the incorrect team and not improving first class cricket are reasons as to why Pakistan won't improve.

Nothing to do with me.
 
Hasan123 said:
Selecting the incorrect team and not improving first class cricket are reasons as to why Pakistan won't improve.

Nothing to do with me.
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I agree.

But wanting to select a failure of a batsman because another failure got an extended run.
 
Chokli said:
I agree.

But wanting to select a failure of a batsman because another failure got an extended run.
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That's not my reasoning for selecting him. My point is if he is selected I won't complain as we have batsmen who have failed for years in the line up.

Amin hardly had a fair run in a set position.
 
Chokli said:
That's too bad, should have taken the chances he did get with open arms.
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I seriously doubt your cricketing knowledge. Just have a look at some of the greats of the game and their start in international circuit. If I'm not wrong Atapattu had like 6 ducks in his first 7 innings, based on that info alone as per your input he shouldn't even have played domestic cricket but thankfully people at the helm of selections look long-term rather than short term.
 
Extra_Cover said:
I seriously doubt your cricketing knowledge. Just have a look at some of the greats of the game and their start in international circuit. If I'm not wrong Atapattu had like 6 ducks in his first 7 innings, based on that info alone as per your input he shouldn't even have played domestic cricket but thankfully people at the helm of selections look long-term rather than short term.
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And it seems like you don't have any knowledge of Pakistani cricket and the way it's run.
 
I'm not sure why he is soo favorite in PP? Looks like something familiar with Inzi-phobia is also happening in PP. :riaz Just saying
 
Probably the best middle order bat in Pakistan.

He’s been treated unfairly for years. Play him instead of Hafeez and Pakistan’s ODI team will become a lot better
 
Da_Future_Knick said:
Probably the best middle order bat in Pakistan.

He’s been treated unfairly for years. Play him instead of Hafeez and Pakistan’s ODI team will become a lot better
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No offence but his domestic records and performances says all things pretty clear that how best and capable he is. :salute
 
Ummii said:
No offence but his domestic records and performances says all things pretty clear that how best and capable he is. :salute
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Domestic records don’t really mean much to some players. They can have bad domestic records but if they have proper technique and ability then they should be backed.
 
Da_Future_Knick said:
Domestic records don’t really mean much to some players. They can have bad domestic records but if they have proper technique and ability then they should be backed.
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Lol what? Are you serious?
His international stats isn't good enough.
You must be his friend or relative nvm
 
the biggest mantle midget cant even hack it at PSL which has half the pressure as int cricket. IS forever destined to dominate Waqas Masood Imran Khalid types
 
Da_Future_Knick said:
Domestic records don’t really mean much to some players. They can have bad domestic records but if they have proper technique and ability then they should be backed.
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Ofcourse if you are a favourite like Amin, domestic stats don't mean much. why have merit at all.

The real question is, does Amin even deserve to get a place in first class team. Man is a proven failure.
 
Ummii said:
Lol what? Are you serious?
His international stats isn't good enough.
You must be his friend or relative nvm
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Batting at 6/7 for 13 ODIs lol

Everyone else has been given a fair run and he should be given one as well.
 
Hasan123 said:
In CT 2013 he was batting at number 6/7. How can a top order batsmen perform in that position ?
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In 16 innings he showed no potential at all.

16 innings no matter where on the batting XI is more than enough to show you have it to succeed.

Babar Azam and Haris Sohail both took their chances at whatever position they debuted in.

Not to mention 9 T20 innings.
 
Da_Future_Knick said:
Domestic records don’t really mean much to some players. They can have bad domestic records but if they have proper technique and ability then they should be backed.
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What's the point if the proper technique and ability doesn't bring runs?
 
Chokli said:
In 16 innings he showed no potential at all.

16 innings no matter where on the batting XI is more than enough to show you have it to succeed.

Babar Azam and Haris Sohail both took their chances at whatever position they debuted in.

Not to mention 9 T20 innings.
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All that 16 inns is scattered everywhere in terms of batting position and series..

He and hammad were being made the scapegoats for losing series after series and not enough wins across formats during the misbah era and the last 8 years since his test debut...

he played 4 tests at the age of 20 with a debut in england and was never looked back to give a single chance till date..

even though he continue to score runs as per the modern traits of the LOI he was again given scattering of chances with no chance in ODIs..

fail in away tours to england, southafrica, new zealand and australia. drop and bring back asad shafiq, hafeez and myk has been the proven policy of the PCB against Amin and hammad..

Haris sohail and Amin are the two left handers pakistan can rely on for the next 5 years and they should continue to give them more chances...not here and there
 
Played a match-winning innings in his last game but was dropped and Shehzad was retained.
 
I have more confidence in Umar Akmal coming out to bat than Umar Amin
 
Do people watch cricket ? This guy looks clueless Everytime I have seen him bat bar one time. He should not be back until he consistently scores big in domestic. For people complaining about akmal and hafeez, they were our best batsman at some point in their career. This guy is not half the player they are .
 
Ummii said:
No offence but his domestic records and performances says all things pretty clear that how best and capable he is. :salute
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Second highest run getter this season at QEA trophy considering he missed some games due to being part of Pakistan A T20 team vs New Zealand.

Third highest run getter in the recent Pakistan A vs New Zealand A T20 series, all this considering he is not a T20 player.

Still not good enough domestic form?
 
Extra_Cover said:
Second highest run getter this season at QEA trophy considering he missed some games due to being part of Pakistan A T20 team vs New Zealand.

Third highest run getter in the recent Pakistan A vs New Zealand A T20 series, all this considering he is not a T20 player.

Still not good enough domestic form?
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In that case Khurram Manzoor deserves more chances than Amin.
 
Salman4. said:
Played a match-winning innings in his last game but was dropped and Shehzad was retained.
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We know what Shehzad can do, we don't know what Umar can do because Umar hasn't shown any glimpse of what he's capable of in the matches he played.
 
Chokli said:
We know what Shehzad can do, we don't know what Umar can do because Umar hasn't shown any glimpse of what he's capable of in the matches he played.
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And he hasn't shown it in 8 years of cricket.
 
Badsha said:
And he hasn't shown it in 8 years of cricket.
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And that's why he's not in the squad anymore and shouldn't be.

But I'd take Ahmed Shehzad over Umar Amin any day of the week, twice on Sunday.
 
I do want him to replace Imam in ODIs if he can score at a decent strike rate.
 
Mad how in 2010, he was destined by PP'ers to outshine Azhar Ali with ease but it was Azhar Ali with his gritty approach that led to him becoming a very important player in the test side.

Shows technique or domestic records are irrelevant. Mental strength and ability to handle pressure come first before anything.
 
People don’t understand he is still our best bet. He has improved so much in the past couple of years.

Pakistan has invested years in bums like shafiq. Get Amin in and reap the rewards in all formats.
 
Amin played last time in SA.

The way he pulled philander's short ball for a six was jaw dropping.

So effortless. Wonderful timing.

One of our best stroke makers.
 
I don't think Amin featured in the recent Pakistan A series so doesn't look like he's on the selectors radar.

I did find it strange how he was recalled to his weakest format, T20s, and played a dead rubber ODI in NZL before being dropped from the squad.

Guys like Saad Ali, Saud Shakeel and Usman Salahuddin are ahead in the pecking order as far as young batsmen go.
 
He has played in the wrong format whenever he has been drafted back in the team. He is only suited for Test cricket

He averaged 59 this season.
 
Da_Future_Knick said:
People don’t understand he is still our best bet. He has improved so much in the past couple of years.

Pakistan has invested years in bums like shafiq. Get Amin in and reap the rewards in all formats.
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I tend to agree, the think tank in PCB is scared of long term investments. All PCB wants is short term yields rather than investing in something solid for future. This mentality is the difference between pre 2003 and post 2003 Pakistan cricket setup.
 
Can someone please explain me why he has not succeeded even in domestic cricket?. I mean in first class cricket even Ravindra Jadeja has 3 triple centuries. Is Pakistan first class cricket that competitive?. Does he have massive technical flaws that we can’t see because it’s well hidden behind elegance ? Players get find out at this level, teams work over your weaknesses. Vinod Kambli had great start to his career than his inability to play bouncer was found out and he was finished. Same goes to Nasir Jamshed etc. Umar Amin is a curious case to me, can’t fathom why he couldn’t establish himself. My first impressions of him were that finally Pak has found next Anwar. Good for Pak and also for international cricket.
 
Hawkeye said:
Amin played last time in SA.

The way he pulled philander's short ball for a six was jaw dropping.

So effortless. Wonderful timing.

One of our best stroke makers.
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Yes let's recall a player because of one fluke shot.

If he was any good, he'd have a decent track record in domestic cricket.

If he can't have decent stats in domestic, how the hell will he ever be successful in International cricket?
 
Lol he will be worse than our sorry lot who are playing right now.

Abid Ali, Saad Ali, Usman Salahuddin and Saud Shakeel are far superior.
 
Da_Future_Knick said:
People don’t understand he is still our best bet. He has improved so much in the past couple of years.

Pakistan has invested years in bums like shafiq. Get Amin in and reap the rewards in all formats.
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He has got a lot of chances and hasn't done jack.

the only thing i can recall him doing was hitting 27 off 8 odd balls versus new zealand.
 
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SarfiBabarHaris said:
Based on domestic records and their technique.

Amin is a failure both in domestic and in international.
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amin is a failure, i agree.

and shafiq has exactly those things you mentioned + intl. experience and he's still a failure.

our domestic cricket is in shambles, there's no way those players you mentioned would do any better than the current lot... they'd probably do worse
 
Chokli said:
amin is a failure, i agree.

and shafiq has exactly those things you mentioned + intl. experience and he's still a failure.

our domestic cricket is in shambles, there's no way those players you mentioned would do any better than the current lot... they'd probably do worse
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Shafiq is a poor investment. Plus Shafiq had a poor FC record too.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Shafiq is a poor investment. Plus Shafiq had a poor FC record too.
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you say that now after we know he's a failure.

even the great [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was wrong about shafiq.

years ago he was supposed to be the saviour of our batting line up.


the same way you're hyping up salahuddin, saad ali etc, people used to hype up shafiq, azhar, babar, fakhar,


no matter which players take the field, we'll always be an average team... this is just how pakistan cricket is and always will be.
 
Haven't seem anything to suggest Amin would be much better than Shafiq. Like Shafiq, he looks good for a few shots, but doesn't score big consistently enough and is generally a very defensive and outdated player.

Better young players coming up
 
Chokli said:
you say that now after we know he's a failure.

even the great [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was wrong about shafiq.

years ago he was supposed to be the saviour of our batting line up.


the same way you're hyping up salahuddin, saad ali etc, people used to hype up shafiq, azhar, babar, fakhar,


no matter which players take the field, we'll always be an average team... this is just how pakistan cricket is and always will be.
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I have said time and time again that Haris Sohail or Usman Salahuddin should have been included when Misbah persisted with Shafiq.

Both scored on much tougher pitches of North Punjab and had a superior domestic record than Shafiq.

Shafiq is poor against the moving ball.

Even Umar Akmal would have done better than him if persisted with.
 
Chokli said:
the same way you're hyping up salahuddin, saad ali etc, people used to hype up shafiq, azhar, babar, fakhar,


no matter which players take the field, we'll always be an average team... this is just how pakistan cricket is and always will be.
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Not hyping Saad, Usman but just saying they are far superior to Umar Amin.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
I have said time and time again that Haris Sohail or Usman Salahuddin should have been included when Misbah persisted with Shafiq.

Both scored on much tougher pitches of North Punjab and had a superior domestic record than Shafiq.

Shafiq is poor against the moving ball.

Even Umar Akmal would have done better than him if persisted with.
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and asim kamal and fawad alam should have been persisted with too and they weren't.

we don't know what would have happened if haris and usman were given consistent runs.

jeez, even imran nazir scored on a tough pitch against the great west indian bowlers of the 90s.

we can't be so sure of anything.

shafiq and azhar were averaging around 40 and 45 respectively when misbah and younis were around. they've just gone to shiiii!t since they've retired.

who isn't poor against the moving ball?

sure umar akmal may have done better but our team as a whole would be the same as it has always been.
 
Chokli said:
and asim kamal and fawad alam should have been persisted with too and they weren't.

we don't know what would have happened if haris and usman were given consistent runs.

jeez, even imran nazir scored on a tough pitch against the great west indian bowlers of the 90s.

we can't be so sure of anything.

shafiq and azhar were averaging around 40 and 45 respectively when misbah and younis were around. they've just gone to shiiii!t since they've retired.

who isn't poor against the moving ball?

sure umar akmal may have done better but our team as a whole would be the same as it has always been.
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Thats not the right attitude.

We are poor so we don't do anything?

You have to select the best in the country which Shafiq isn't and never was. Same with Umar Amin.

There are better players and they should be ahead in the pecking order. Hopefully working with international coaches will make them even better.
 
Chokli said:
you say that now after we know he's a failure.

even the great [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was wrong about shafiq.

years ago he was supposed to be the saviour of our batting line up.


the same way you're hyping up salahuddin, saad ali etc, people used to hype up shafiq, azhar, babar, fakhar,


no matter which players take the field, we'll always be an average team... this is just how pakistan cricket is and always will be.
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This is the truth that people need to come to terms with. Some have, others still have to.

No point in hyping up XYZ - we don't have the capability to produce elite batsmen like Kohli, Root, Smith, Williamson etc. Even our best batsmen are merely good by international standards. The likes of Babar etc. score one half-century and we do bhangra for weeks.

We need to accept that we are a mid-table team now. Our competition is Sri Lanka, West Indies and Bangladesh but that does not deter our fans from running their mouths against the likes of India, England, South Africa etc.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Thats not the right attitude.

We are poor so we don't do anything?

You have to select the best in the country which Shafiq isn't and never was. Same with Umar Amin.

There are better players and they should be ahead in the pecking order. Hopefully working with international coaches will make them even better.
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selecting different players isn't going to do anything.

revamping the domestic structure is what needs to be done.

sure we can select the top performers now, and they might even perform once or twice... but eventually they'll get found out, lose form, fans will get stop backing them and we'll be back to square one.
 
Mamoon said:
This is the truth that people need to come to terms with. Some have, others still have to.

No point in hyping up XYZ - we don't have the capability to produce elite batsmen like Kohli, Root, Smith, Williamson etc. Even our best batsmen are merely good by international standards. The likes of Babar etc. score one half-century and we do bhangra for weeks.

We need to accept that we are a mid-table team now. Our competition is Sri Lanka, West Indies and Bangladesh but that does not deter our fans from running their mouths against the likes of India, England, South Africa etc.
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exactly, we'll occasionally surprise the top teams but just because we do ..... that suddenly doesn't make us a top team which majority of the fans tend to think.
 
Chokli said:
selecting different players isn't going to do anything.

revamping the domestic structure is what needs to be done.

sure we can select the top performers now, and they might even perform once or twice... but eventually they'll get found out, lose form, fans will get stop backing them and we'll be back to square one.
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Revamping domestic structure won't happen in a day. Its a process that will take time.

For now you have to select the best players in the country rather than ignoring everything that we will remain poor.

Shan Masood has shown domestic and A team form do matter.

And yes start and continue working on improving the domestic structure etc.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Revamping domestic structure won't happen in a day. Its a process that will take time.

For now you have to select the best players in the country rather than ignoring everything that we will remain poor.

Shan Masood has shown domestic and A team form do matter.

And yes start and continue working on improving the domestic structure etc.
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it most likely won't ever happen, there's too much corruption for it to happen.

even when it does happen, it'll be far too late.

new generation is losing interest in cricket and is more focused on football, epl etc.

and i agree with you, the best performers should be given a chance but again, pakistan cricket as a whole will always be the same... the only way it can change is if the people in charge make drastic changes
 
Omar Amin being ruffled up by Shaheen and Rauf but has so far held his ground. Looks stylish when he plays that pull shot.. looks in superb touch... Shd take zalmis home from here..
 
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wow, he hasn't even hit a single six, yet scored at 150+ strike rate
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
I know it's easy to say in hindsight, but by judging his ability to play on the backfoot one can say he would have outperformed some seniors in SA tests.
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international and domestic cricket are different ball games.

anyhow, it was a breathe of fresh air watching him handle the new ball which was swinging.

hopefully he's worked on his game and can knock the selectors' door.
 
He has always looked good, but he also proved to be a big bottler. Nevertheless, there is no harm in trying him after the World Cup after Malik and Hafeez (probably) bid farewell. Haris' position is another potential vacancy - he is simply not reliable because of his chronic fitness woes.
 
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