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One thing that immediately springs to mind is strong bowling attack when you mention team Pakistan. I have been watching Cricket for more than 15 years now, and I can't recall a single instance where Pakistani bowling looked this toothless with no penetration whatsoever. Usually, their bowlers would create chances but would be let down by the keeper or slip fielders; but that's not even the case here.

So, the question is what went wrong? Has domestic structure become ineffective? Is that because of PSL that new guys aren't focusing on FC format that prepares players? I mean newly tried pace bowlers haven't really plaid any FC cricket. Whatever it is, it's pretty disheartening. If this continues, they won't remain competitive even in in Asia.
 
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Look at the positive side.
This is the the lowest our bowling could have gone. It's only up from here.
 
The problem is simple.

Misbah has thrown out an entire generation of 20-something bowlers and replaced them with recycled failed 30-somethings and kids.

It’s not a talent issue. The 20-somethings took 45 wickets for 1300 runs in South Africa ten months ago.

The problem is that a guy who was useless at captaining outside Asia is now using the same failed tactics as Chief Selector and Head Coach.
 
It’s not a talent issue. The 20-somethings took 45 wickets for 1300 runs in South Africa ten months ago.
South African pitches and Australian pitches are very different.

How was the 20-somethings performance in Australia last time?
 
Going at this rate, days are not far when even afghanistan will have better bowling attack than pakistan in test cricket.
 
There could be constant from here. Also you never know Misbah. The man could dig next low.
 
This is the most toothless Pakistani bowling attack I have seen in my life. It is quite shocking actually.

Misbah has failed as coach/selector. He should resign.
 
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The problem is simple.

Misbah has thrown out an entire generation of 20-something bowlers and replaced them with recycled failed 30-somethings and kids.

It’s not a talent issue. The 20-somethings took 45 wickets for 1300 runs in South Africa ten months ago.

The problem is that a guy who was useless at captaining outside Asia is now using the same failed tactics as Chief Selector and Head Coach.

I'm sorry but it very much is a talent issue and the problem is not simple.

45/1300 looks ok on paper, but that was in bowling-friendly conditions against a side that subsequently lost to SL in the same conditions. We lost that series 3-0 comfortably for a reason.
On their last tour of Australia, Pakistan fielded the same quicks everyone keeps talking about right now and got absolutely demolished - couldn't take 20 wickets to save their life. Wahab and Amir both average comfortably above 30 in test cricket whilst Hasan Ali - who got hit for a 100 in 10 overs last time he bowled in Adelaide - showed his true class in South Africa where even Duane Olivier looked terrifying.

Pakistan is ranked below SL in test cricket.
They have lost to NZL and SL at home in the last 18 months.
They are the only side in the top 8 that loses at home consistently.
Their 1st innings, 1st day bowling performances (which are a true indicator of a team's bowling firepower) in this series have yielded 2 wickets.
When was the last time Pakistan even won a test match? When was the last time Pakistan's bowling won them a test series, or even a test MATCH?

I'll tell you what their problem is - it isn't arbritary factors like height, age, etc, its a simple lack of genuine skill. They lack the ability to consistently hit the seam, their actions aren't repeatable and as a result their lines and lengths are absolute rubbish (only 3 balls in the first session hit the stumps), not to mention pace, acumen and stamina. We are the only team in the world that opens LOI bowling with spinners, because our bowlers lack the ability to swing the cricket ball in basically any format these days. This is all backed up by a fielding unit that may as well not even be there and a captain who's idea of a win would be to take the game to the 4th day.

The worst part is that the bowlers on this tour are probably the best we can do right now. All the other domestic legends are products of an absolutely atrocious system where bowlers like Imran Khan, Abbas, Sohail Khan, etc take bucket loads of wickets. Everyone is talking about the ages of these bowlers but fails to identify that Shaheen Afridi and Naseem Shah have been the most threatening bowlers on the entire tour. Nobody mentions Yasir Shah's (30+) shameless performance and selection, Iftikhar's (30+) role as a 5th bowler or Abbas and Imran's (30+) toothless bowling. These kids are the only ounce of hope we have and our deluded media and fanbase will make them scapegoats and just like many before them, they will be lost before they even got a chance learn.

I have been following Pakistan cricket religiously for over 10 years now. I have watched or followed almost every series they have played in this time, be it against Ireland or Australia. I understand that there are people on this forum that have watched the game a lot longer and have way more nous but trust me when I say this, Pakistan cricket is in a serious predicament and if we pretend that the solutions are "simple" or just down to a "few wrong selections", we will never get out of this rut.
 
Yes I agree, I have been following Pakistan cricket since 99 and this is by far the worst I have ever seen.

I dont watch test cricket, just check the scorecards.
 
Dunno.

Misbah picked Imran and Sohail and Yasir last time.

Well, let me tell you. Those twenty somethings are either injured or have retired. We had no option but to select these guys, although Sameen Gul should have been there instead of Musa and perhaps Ehsan Adil for Imran.
 
The problem is simple.

Misbah has thrown out an entire generation of 20-something bowlers and replaced them with recycled failed 30-somethings and kids.

It’s not a talent issue. The 20-somethings took 45 wickets for 1300 runs in South Africa ten months ago.

The problem is that a guy who was useless at captaining outside Asia is now using the same failed tactics as Chief Selector and Head Coach.

Please compare the averages of Pakistani seamers and the Rabada/Olivier/Steyn trio in the SA series. Massive difference between the two.
 
Likes of Imran Khan jnr are not international class. Naseem Shah is to young where as Yasir doesn't do the business in Australia. Even the likes of Sohail Khan, Umar Gul and Aizaz Cheema would have done better then our current attack.
 
the problem is simple.

Misbah has thrown out an entire generation of 20-something bowlers and replaced them with recycled failed 30-somethings and kids.

It’s not a talent issue. The 20-somethings took 45 wickets for 1300 runs in south africa ten months ago.

The problem is that a guy who was useless at captaining outside asia is now using the same failed tactics as chief selector and head coach.

potm
 
The problem is simple.

Misbah has thrown out an entire generation of 20-something bowlers and replaced them with recycled failed 30-somethings and kids.

It’s not a talent issue. The 20-somethings took 45 wickets for 1300 runs in South Africa ten months ago.

The problem is that a guy who was useless at captaining outside Asia is now using the same failed tactics as Chief Selector and Head Coach.

Haha, 45 wickets for freaking 1300+ runs & you still call them talented? All Misbah has done is swap one set of useless performers with another, but atleast with a couple in this team one might expect better performances in the future.
 
I tend to agree. Never seen a Pakistani test attack more pedestrian than this. Don’t see this bunch taking more than 5 wickets in an innings. A great fall from the glory days of the mid 90’s and early 00’s .. I squarely blame Waqar Younis. PCB should get a restraining order from him.
 
People here are upset and rightfully so. The problem is more a historical one.

Barring Imran and Wasim, no other Pakistani pacer has been successful in Australia.

Waqar, Shoaib, Asif, Amir, Gul, Wahab do not have impressive records and struggled badly in Australian conditions.

I can bet you our bowlers will be more effective outside Australia. The PCB seriously needs to hire an Australian bowling consultant for Pakistani pacers when they tour next time. Our bowlers just have zero idea on how to bowl in these conditions
 
Hopefully Warner will score 500 and Smith 200 so we can get rid of useless coach like Waqar.
 
I have seen it. In 1999 when Shoaib would regularly get spanked by slater and Ponting
 
i'm sorry but it very much is a talent issue and the problem is not simple.

45/1300 looks ok on paper, but that was in bowling-friendly conditions against a side that subsequently lost to sl in the same conditions. We lost that series 3-0 comfortably for a reason.
On their last tour of australia, pakistan fielded the same quicks everyone keeps talking about right now and got absolutely demolished - couldn't take 20 wickets to save their life. Wahab and amir both average comfortably above 30 in test cricket whilst hasan ali - who got hit for a 100 in 10 overs last time he bowled in adelaide - showed his true class in south africa where even duane olivier looked terrifying.

Pakistan is ranked below sl in test cricket.
They have lost to nzl and sl at home in the last 18 months.
They are the only side in the top 8 that loses at home consistently.
Their 1st innings, 1st day bowling performances (which are a true indicator of a team's bowling firepower) in this series have yielded 2 wickets.
When was the last time pakistan even won a test match? When was the last time pakistan's bowling won them a test series, or even a test match?

I'll tell you what their problem is - it isn't arbritary factors like height, age, etc, its a simple lack of genuine skill. They lack the ability to consistently hit the seam, their actions aren't repeatable and as a result their lines and lengths are absolute rubbish (only 3 balls in the first session hit the stumps), not to mention pace, acumen and stamina. We are the only team in the world that opens loi bowling with spinners, because our bowlers lack the ability to swing the cricket ball in basically any format these days. This is all backed up by a fielding unit that may as well not even be there and a captain who's idea of a win would be to take the game to the 4th day.

The worst part is that the bowlers on this tour are probably the best we can do right now. All the other domestic legends are products of an absolutely atrocious system where bowlers like imran khan, abbas, sohail khan, etc take bucket loads of wickets. Everyone is talking about the ages of these bowlers but fails to identify that shaheen afridi and naseem shah have been the most threatening bowlers on the entire tour. Nobody mentions yasir shah's (30+) shameless performance and selection, iftikhar's (30+) role as a 5th bowler or abbas and imran's (30+) toothless bowling. These kids are the only ounce of hope we have and our deluded media and fanbase will make them scapegoats and just like many before them, they will be lost before they even got a chance learn.

I have been following pakistan cricket religiously for over 10 years now. I have watched or followed almost every series they have played in this time, be it against ireland or australia. I understand that there are people on this forum that have watched the game a lot longer and have way more nous but trust me when i say this, pakistan cricket is in a serious predicament and if we pretend that the solutions are "simple" or just down to a "few wrong selections", we will never get out of this rut.

potw.
 
Nothing new.

Much more experienced bowlers from PAK have got thrashed in AUS. Amir, Wahab, Rahat, Shoaib Akhtar, Waqar.. to name a few.

This one is a totally young bowling side. And our future. They will learn and improve.
 
Even Zimbabwe, Afghanistan and Bangladesh would have done better here for sure.
 
On the last tour, both Amir and Wahab did well - yes well - in the Pink Ball Test. Which was at the Gabba.

Misbah should have begged them to play these two Tests, at The Gabba and with a Pink Ball.

It’s exactly what used to happen with Imran Khan - he’d only agree to play outside Asia.
 
On the last tour, both Amir and Wahab did well - yes well - in the Pink Ball Test. Which was at the Gabba.

Misbah should have begged them to play these two Tests, at The Gabba and with a Pink Ball.

It’s exactly what used to happen with Imran Khan - he’d only agree to play outside Asia.

Really? Never knew that! Any sources to backup your claim?
 
On the last tour, both Amir and Wahab did well - yes well - in the Pink Ball Test. Which was at the Gabba.

Misbah should have begged them to play these two Tests, at The Gabba and with a Pink Ball.

It’s exactly what used to happen with Imran Khan - he’d only agree to play outside Asia.

It’s an insult to IK that you mentioned him within these company!!! And, you are factually incorrect- Imran didn’t agree to play only outside Asia (had he, I would have lost respect for him to hide from tougher conditions) - in fact it's hilarious even to think of that. He retired first time after WC of 1987 - before that, when fit, he played every Asian Test, including SRL at home of 1982/83 or SRL tour of 1986; he played every away series when fit and toured India in 1986-87 not even half fit.

He came back on President’s request to lead PAK to WIN in 1988, in between missed the 1987 home series against Poms. In 1988, he wasn’t fit enough to play against Australia, which is s probably his only deliberate miss (could have played as batsman). He led PAK against India at home in 1989, and opted to skip NZ series in 1990, considering weak opponents (not for Asian conditions- he actually asked PCB to convert the following WIN series into 5 Tests), but retired to lead PAK against WIN. He was there to lead PAK in cancelled tour of India (91), and led PAK in his last home series in 1991-92, against SRL.

Boss, next time, I’ll charge you if you force me to waste several minutes to correct misinformation- won’t have done so here, unless I found it quite nauseating an attempt to downplay Asian condition for cricket- it’s not Asia’s fault that England is a rubbish team here.
 
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I'm sorry but it very much is a talent issue and the problem is not simple.

45/1300 looks ok on paper, but that was in bowling-friendly conditions against a side that subsequently lost to SL in the same conditions. We lost that series 3-0 comfortably for a reason.
On their last tour of Australia, Pakistan fielded the same quicks everyone keeps talking about right now and got absolutely demolished - couldn't take 20 wickets to save their life. Wahab and Amir both average comfortably above 30 in test cricket whilst Hasan Ali - who got hit for a 100 in 10 overs last time he bowled in Adelaide - showed his true class in South Africa where even Duane Olivier looked terrifying.

Pakistan is ranked below SL in test cricket.
They have lost to NZL and SL at home in the last 18 months.
They are the only side in the top 8 that loses at home consistently.
Their 1st innings, 1st day bowling performances (which are a true indicator of a team's bowling firepower) in this series have yielded 2 wickets.
When was the last time Pakistan even won a test match? When was the last time Pakistan's bowling won them a test series, or even a test MATCH?

I'll tell you what their problem is - it isn't arbritary factors like height, age, etc, its a simple lack of genuine skill. They lack the ability to consistently hit the seam, their actions aren't repeatable and as a result their lines and lengths are absolute rubbish (only 3 balls in the first session hit the stumps), not to mention pace, acumen and stamina. We are the only team in the world that opens LOI bowling with spinners, because our bowlers lack the ability to swing the cricket ball in basically any format these days. This is all backed up by a fielding unit that may as well not even be there and a captain who's idea of a win would be to take the game to the 4th day.

The worst part is that the bowlers on this tour are probably the best we can do right now. All the other domestic legends are products of an absolutely atrocious system where bowlers like Imran Khan, Abbas, Sohail Khan, etc take bucket loads of wickets. Everyone is talking about the ages of these bowlers but fails to identify that Shaheen Afridi and Naseem Shah have been the most threatening bowlers on the entire tour. Nobody mentions Yasir Shah's (30+) shameless performance and selection, Iftikhar's (30+) role as a 5th bowler or Abbas and Imran's (30+) toothless bowling. These kids are the only ounce of hope we have and our deluded media and fanbase will make them scapegoats and just like many before them, they will be lost before they even got a chance learn.

I have been following Pakistan cricket religiously for over 10 years now. I have watched or followed almost every series they have played in this time, be it against Ireland or Australia. I understand that there are people on this forum that have watched the game a lot longer and have way more nous but trust me when I say this, Pakistan cricket is in a serious predicament and if we pretend that the solutions are "simple" or just down to a "few wrong selections", we will never get out of this rut.

Very well articulated. POTW.
 
For someone who grew up watching Akram, Waqar & Akhtar trouble batsmen across the globe, this kinda let down is pretty hard to swallow. Pakistan has lost in Australia before, but never so timidly. Very depressing!
 
It’s an insult to IK that you mentioned him within these company!!! And, you are factually incorrect- Imran didn’t agree to play only outside Asia (had he, I would have lost respect for him to hide from tougher conditions) - in fact it's hilarious even to think of that. He retired first time after WC of 1987 - before that, when fit, he played every Asian Test, including SRL at home of 1982/83 or SRL tour of 1986; he played every away series when fit and toured India in 1986-87 not even half fit.

He came back on President’s request to lead PAK to WIN in 1988, in between missed the 1987 home series against Poms. In 1988, he wasn’t fit enough to play against Australia, which is s probably his only deliberate miss (could have played as batsman). He led PAK against India at home in 1989, and opted to skip NZ series in 1990, considering weak opponents (not for Asian conditions- he actually asked PCB to convert the following WIN series into 5 Tests), but retired to lead PAK against WIN. He was there to lead PAK in cancelled tour of India (91), and led PAK in his last home series in 1991-92, against SRL.

Boss, next time, I’ll charge you if you force me to waste several minutes to correct misinformation- won’t have done so here, unless I found it quite nauseating an attempt to downplay Asian condition for cricket- it’s not Asia’s fault that England is a rubbish team here.

You have been on a roll lately against [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]. Not letting him spread any misinformation and troll people, ruining fun mate.
 
It’s an insult to IK that you mentioned him within these company!!! And, you are factually incorrect- Imran didn’t agree to play only outside Asia (had he, I would have lost respect for him to hide from tougher conditions) - in fact it's hilarious even to think of that. He retired first time after WC of 1987 - before that, when fit, he played every Asian Test, including SRL at home of 1982/83 or SRL tour of 1986; he played every away series when fit and toured India in 1986-87 not even half fit.

He came back on President’s request to lead PAK to WIN in 1988, in between missed the 1987 home series against Poms. In 1988, he wasn’t fit enough to play against Australia, which is s probably his only deliberate miss (could have played as batsman). He led PAK against India at home in 1989, and opted to skip NZ series in 1990, considering weak opponents (not for Asian conditions- he actually asked PCB to convert the following WIN series into 5 Tests), but retired to lead PAK against WIN. He was there to lead PAK in cancelled tour of India (91), and led PAK in his last home series in 1991-92, against SRL.

Boss, next time, I’ll charge you if you force me to waste several minutes to correct misinformation- won’t have done so here, unless I found it quite nauseating an attempt to downplay Asian condition for cricket- it’s not Asia’s fault that England is a rubbish team here.
Maybe he is talking about that one match or series that IK missed because it was too hot. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] also has mentioned it in his older posts. I may be wrong though I'm not sure he would say imran never played in Asia when he quite patently did.
 
No surprise when you take 3 kids, one bowler whose not played a Test for 3 years, another whose not at full fitness.
 
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Time to bring back Sohail Tanvir to add some experience in the pace bowling ranks , ;-)
 
Pakistan bowling will be fine.

Shaheen and Naseem are two good youngsters who will get better.

Abbas is reliable.

Add to that: Hasan Ali, Sameen Gul, Amad Butt, Ehsan Adil and others.

For spinners, Zafar Gohar is an excellent first choice with Yasir as the second spinner in Asia.

Misbah-ul-Haq made a blunder in selecting Musa, Iftikhar and Imran.

Unless Misbah-ul-Haq recalls his friends like Rahat Ali, I don’t see Pakistan getting destroyed like this again.
 
Someone should ask Misbah and Waqar what the bowling plans were because it seemed it consisted of "Say Bismillah and run in hoping for the best".
 
Our bowling has been poor for a while. They perform now and again but then go through long periods of mediocrity.
 
If Bangla Deshis are smart ( which they are ) , they should send their team to Pakistan while Misbah is still the king of Pakistan cricket.
 
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