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There has been a lot of talk about how three teams from the sub-continent have made it to the semi-finals of the ICC Champions Trophy 2017 in English conditions, but I personally feel it is more a sign of the pitches than anything else.

Admittedly, the tournament is being played in England and Wales, but that’s about it. To me, these aren’t necessarily ‘English’ conditions; you call them that only when the ball nips around, it moves in the air and off the deck. If the pitches are flat and there is not a lot of movement, then it comes down to a battle of skill, it doesn’t really matter where you play. Every team is competitive when the pitches are flat; I remember New Zealand went to India last year and only lost a five-match one-day international series 2-3.

Given the depth and muscle in its batting, England will hope to turn up for its first semi-final against Pakistan in Cardiff on Wednesday and find a flat deck with no movement, so that it can out-skill the opposition. This tournament has already produced a number of high scores, and I don’t see that changing.

If you look at both the semi-finals, there are two clear favourites, and you would most likely pick a repeat of the last ICC Champions Trophy when India and England contested the final.

England has been the dominant team all tournament long, though I agree that you never know with Pakistan. Cricket matches are not played on paper, admittedly, though on paper, England is the clear favourite. Pakistan has a dangerous bowling attack, like it has had over the years, and there is a little bit of experience in its batting.

But I honestly can’t see Pakistan winning this game. England has just too much firepower and it is playing too well at the moment to slip on a banana skin.

England has been tested at various stages in the tournament, it has had its moments when it has been pushed to a corner. In the first game, Bangladesh made 300 and England lost an early wicket. New Zealand had reached 170 for two in the next game. And against Australia, chasing 278, it was 35 for three.

But whenever the game has been in the balance, it has bounced back incredibly strongly and rolled the opposition over. It has played very positively and been too good, winning games with some comfort. That is the sign of a really good team. England has got its tail up, it is on a roll and it has been playing very, very well for a really long time now.

The transformation since its first-round elimination from the ICC Cricket World Cup 2015 has been astonishing. It has talked a little bit about learning from New Zealand’s approach in that tournament, which revolves around talking the game to the opposition. It left out a player of the calibre of Ben Stokes for that event and picked what I could call was a conservative team. Leaving Stokes out then was a real surprise to many of us.

But since then, it has changed its attitude to the limited-overs game. It has a number of dynamic players, individuals who can win games on their own. And it backs its talent to come good. That’s what the game is all about. A number of teams fall over in the middle overs because they are a little straitjacketed in the way they go about things.

Not this English side, though. It just keeps coming at you, and it keeps taking the game forward. It goes for broke – if it gets bowled out for 300, so be it because 300 is still a good score. But if its aggression pays off, then it can end up getting 360 or more, effectively sealing the game.

I like the way England is playing white-ball cricket these days.

Sometimes, you need to go through the pain to realise the need for change, and that pain burst through during the last World Cup.

To turn things around, a number of other factors also needed to fall in place – such as a forward-thing coach, as well as good talent. England has been fortunate that all three pieces came together at the right time. It has an excellent coach in Trevor Bayliss, it has the World Cup pain to feed off, and it has seriously good talent, which is a deadly combination. And then, there is Andrew Strauss involved behind the scenes as the director of cricket. What it has done over the last two years is little short of phenomenal.

Pakistan has some new players, players that I have never heard of before. That’s one of the standout features of Pakistan cricket – it has never lacked talent.

It has forever had an attack that is dangerous in a wicket-taking sense, so it is never out of the game. Especially in a match like a semi-final, if it puts runs on the board, then given its bowling riches, it is a chance.

But you know what they say about Pakistan, about how mercurial it is. It could either be awful on the day, or simply brilliant. That’s the danger with its team. I saw it go down 0-5 in Australia earlier this year, but it was competitive in a lot of those games. If it turn ups and plays its best game, it will give England a run, perhaps.

But to me, England has the advantage of form, confidence, momentum and playing at home, so it is difficult for me to look past it
 
A blunt statement and logically speaking, there isn't a word wrong. But then again, since when does Pakistan ever go by logic and "logistics" anyway. While Pakistan beating England is a far cry, so was beating South Africa - and we all know how that turned out.

In my opinion, Pakistan has every chance of winning if they field the right XI, go in with confidence and hold onto their catches. That is the most important thing. We've seen it happen time and again throughout this tournament. You hold onto your chances, you win.
 
A blunt statement and logically speaking, there isn't a word wrong. But then again, since when does Pakistan ever go by logic and "logistics" anyway. While Pakistan beating England is a far cry, so was beating South Africa - and we all know how that turned out.

In my opinion, Pakistan has every chance of winning if they field the right XI, go in with confidence and hold onto their catches. That is the most important thing. We've seen it happen time and again throughout this tournament. You hold onto your chances, you win.

Pakistan beating SA wasn't some great feat as they were helped a lot by the rain. Seeing yesterday's match who knows what would have happened if it was a full game? Even against India they were 100-2 and then collapsed to 150-160 odd.
 
Pakistan beating SA wasn't some great feat as they were helped a lot by the rain. Seeing yesterday's match who knows what would have happened if it was a full game? Even against India they were 100-2 and then collapsed to 150-160 odd.

Maybe you have a point but Pakistan came out as the comfortable winners so I'm going to give them that. Pakistan by far has the best bowling attack of the tournament so I'm not as concerned, however, a collapse in the batting is probable.
 
A blunt statement and logically speaking, there isn't a word wrong. But then again, since when does Pakistan ever go by logic and "logistics" anyway. While Pakistan beating England is a far cry, so was beating South Africa - and we all know how that turned out.

In my opinion, Pakistan has every chance of winning if they field the right XI, go in with confidence and hold onto their catches. That is the most important thing. We've seen it happen time and again throughout this tournament. You hold onto your chances, you win.

Everything is going exactly like 2015 WC for Pakistan. Getting hammered by India in the opening ground match, which led to lots of stick and calls for heads from fans and then bouncing back from nowhere with a win against South Africa with their bowling and then getting beaten convincingly by the favourites, the home team in the knockouts.
 
Everything is going exactly like 2015 WC for Pakistan. Getting hammered by India in the opening ground match, which led to lots of stick and calls for heads from fans and then bouncing back from nowhere with a win against South Africa with their bowling and then getting beaten convincingly by the favourites, the home team in the knockouts.

Good observation, and England (favorites) after knocking out Pakistan will go on to win the tournament at their home. :eek:
 
Everything is going exactly like 2015 WC for Pakistan. Getting hammered by India in the opening ground match, which led to lots of stick and calls for heads from fans and then bouncing back from nowhere with a win against South Africa with their bowling and then getting beaten convincingly by the favourites, the home team in the knockouts.

Everything in the 2015 WC was going exactly how it did in the 1992 World Cup. Does this mean Pakistan is winning this time? :afridi:broad:misbah4
 
So will Pakistan be able to answer the insulting Kiwis??

Jk ,tbf the easiest thing to do so that Pak wins is not expect them to,c'mon Bond you have jinxed English victory already.

I can see tmrw's press conference:"No one expected us to beat this English side ,we were boosted by that and we won"
 
Pakistan beating SA wasn't some great feat as they were helped a lot by the rain. Seeing yesterday's match who knows what would have happened if it was a full game? Even against India they were 100-2 and then collapsed to 150-160 odd.

Indias game they were chasing a massive target. What's the point losing getting to 250 score ?

Yesterday's game there was something for the bowlers at a different venue.

Pakistan were totally dominating SA - apart from Morkels spell and when he came back before the rain he was getting hit anyway.

So no, Pakistan totally deserved and highly likely would beaten SA. They were hitting boundaries before the rain.

Yes it's a shock for you that they made the semis. Don't worry shock for us Pak fans as well but we are used to them.
 
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A blunt statement and logically speaking, there isn't a word wrong. But then again, since when does Pakistan ever go by logic and "logistics" anyway. While Pakistan beating England is a far cry, so was beating South Africa - and we all know how that turned out.

In my opinion, Pakistan has every chance of winning if they field the right XI, go in with confidence and hold onto their catches. That is the most important thing. We've seen it happen time and again throughout this tournament. You hold onto your chances, you win.

remember the two words..."Shadab Khan"..that's our best chance really...

I would stop following cricket if Shadab Khan is not in the playing 11 against England..
 
I'm sorry I'm not scared about this England team in a game where we have nothing to lose and are being written off.

England have been up against it in each game and if we can get them to that stage in a knockout game, things can be different.

Upon now in game 1 England wereally 1-1 chasing 310

In game 2 new Zealand were 134-2 chasing 300

And Aus had them 20-3 chasing 270

However England came through. BUT those were nother KNOCKOUT situations.
Let's get them into such situations in this game n see how they respond!!!
 
Pakistan beating SA wasn't some great feat as they were helped a lot by the rain. Seeing yesterday's match who knows what would have happened if it was a full game? Even against India they were 100-2 and then collapsed to 150-160 odd.

These ifs and buts dont carry any weight. Kohli and yuvraj were also dropped by Pakistan and they went on to massacre the bowlers. Had they been caught , Pakistan would have had a better chance to win. So pakistani fielders helped India. Doesnt matter. Part of the game.
 
As for Bond vast majority of Pak fans would not disagree with him.

But we have to hope that they play out of their skins.

No one would have predicted these semis before the tournament.
 
Pakistan wins the Toss, elects to bowl first.

England 221 in 41.2 overs

J Root 67(87)
B Stokes 56(61)

H Ali 5-53
M Amir 3-51

Pakistan 224-5 in 47.1 overs

S Ahmed 67*(79)
I Wasim 45*(51)

Pakistan win by 5 wickets.

M.O.M Hasan Ali

Sarfraz at the press conference: No one gave us chance when we came into the tournament. Boys played really well.

About finals: We know it's a pressure game. We'll try to play our natural game.
 
Says the guy whose team was the first ones to pack their bags and go home.
 
Pakistan beating SA wasn't some great feat as they were helped a lot by the rain. Seeing yesterday's match who knows what would have happened if it was a full game? Even against India they were 100-2 and then collapsed to 150-160 odd.

seems like the rain is fogging things up a bit there. pakistan has a 4-1 record against SA in their last five encounters, including the last wc. for some inexplicable reason we became something akin to their boogey team. and in this sense it was perhaps no great feat to beat them again. but the rain didn't help pakistan skittle them out cheaply for the umpteenth time, nor were we even close to trouble when it started coming down, as agreed by duckworth and lewis. if a collapse had had happened at a later stage in the game, defying the trend for the last five games between south africa and pakistan, the rain could only have helped. but only if we had kept enough wickets in hand says mr d and l. which is typically not what a collapse means. wishing you clearer skies.
 
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remember the two words..."Shadab Khan"..that's our best chance really...

I would stop following cricket if Shadab Khan is not in the playing 11 against England..

Absolutely. Azhar Ali should make way for him! He's an absolute gem.
 
He is right.

England are just dominating the whole tournament. Pakistan might have beaten SA or SL, but England is a no way.


Pakistan will have to fight real hard to have a chance.
 
I have to agree with Bond here. Truth is truth.

a team who needs 150 runs with 9 wickets in hand in 40 overs on flat wicket against worst bowling out of top 9 teams can still make Pakistan's success depend on how they drop dollies and misfield then there is no hope against England. They will be merciless.
 
remember the two words..."Shadab Khan"..that's our best chance really...

I would stop following cricket if Shadab Khan is not in the playing 11 against England..

I can almost see the headlines "18 year old spin wiz demolishes tournament favorites England" "England crash out of Champion's Trophy after Pakistani bowling rips through batting" "Pakistan eek over the line to send home team packing"
 
He's not saying a lot wrong there really, England are better in just about every department. Pakistan's bowling will be England's main worry, especially if Shadab plays. But if truth be told, if a leg spinner is going to cause real damage tomorrow it will probably be Adil Rashid. Shadab relies too much on the googly, whereas Rashid has a wicked leggie.
 
India vs England would be 50-50.
So Pakistan vs England is 10-90.
Bangladesh vs India is 25-75.
Pakistan vs Bangladesh is 70-30.
Bangladesh vs England is 45-65 *[yes you read it right]
 
Pakistan has been very very lucky to reach semifinals.The game against Saf was decided by the rain had that game was not interrupted by rain anything was possible and again with SL the poor Sl fielding was the reason for Pak win and both times Pak found themselves lucky in the batting department no doubt they bowled exceptionally well and luck will run out for Pak against Eng the only chance they could win is good day with the bat and that is very predictable that it will be a failure as usual so England win easy to predict if pak wins it will be shocking even more shocking if their batsmen wins them the Eng game - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...2017-Predictions-thread&p=9311352#post9311352
 
England will lose only if it plays very poorly.As a Pakistan fan I won't be disappointed if Pakistan lose after all Pakistan is ranked no. 8.Pakistan has plenty of talent but because of politics and mismanagement good players are not selected.
 
pakistan needs to drop Hafeez or Azhar , i would drop Azhar and will ask Hafeez to open..both are useless but Hafeez might be handy against inform Stokes

Bring in extra batsman ...no one canbe worse than Hafeez or Azhar

I will bring in Shadab Khan and depending on the wicket if spinning, drop Fahim ( yes unfortunately no other option) and if it is seeming track drop Imad Wasim...

Bowling needs to fire
 
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The difference between two ODI sides is even bigger then last year and we lost to england 4-1 last year in an ODI series. England will win the game with ease.
 
Agree with Bond here, this is one of the strongest Eng batting lineups we've seen so we're going to have to bowl out of our skins to win tomorrow. At least I'm proud that our team has improved and are heading in the right direction for ODI's.
 
we didn't lose 5-0 to australia.

it was 4-1

and that gaba match was a difficult loss, and at perth the no-balls were a total fiasco. this also reminds me, what happened to handscombe, he wasn't even getting out and now he is not even in the team. injured?
 
He is being disrespectful...

No he's not. Facts are facts England have been incredible and our batting is absolutely pathetic. Our bowling combination of Amir/Junaid/Hasan is just now coming in to prominence and while they are doing a very good job England is whole notch above the rest, except maybe India who are close behind in my opinion.
 
These ifs and buts dont carry any weight. Kohli and yuvraj were also dropped by Pakistan and they went on to massacre the bowlers. Had they been caught , Pakistan would have had a better chance to win. So pakistani fielders helped India. Doesnt matter. Part of the game.

It's not ifs and buts. Pakistan have been screwing up chases since forever. India have been hitting 300+ since forever. Even against SL India hit 300+ without Kohli/UV.

Also your comparison makes no sense. Indian batsmen getting dropped etc did happen. The SA match did not happen to it's end and it's pure conjecture how the chase might have panned out. Considering Pakistan's poor chasing there is definitely a chance they might have lost.

Also Pakistan fielders dropping catches is expected - it always happens. You can't say if they did not drop - they always drop. Saying if Pakistani fielders did not drop is like saying if Jadeja scored a 300 in Australia in Perth. It simply does not happen. So you cannot factor in something that does not happen compared to something that does happen frequently which is Pakistan botching up easy chases.
 
Maybe you have a point but Pakistan came out as the comfortable winners so I'm going to give them that. Pakistan by far has the best bowling attack of the tournament so I'm not as concerned, however, a collapse in the batting is probable.

How does Pakistan have best bowling attack.
 
I hope this fires them up like Sehwag's practice match comment fired up the Lankans. :usman
 
How does Pakistan have best bowling attack.

Looks like you haven't been watching their recent games. Going by all the hype created on Pakpassion, I actually thought India's attack was going to be as good as they said it was. How disappointed I was when I saw them play..
 
Looks like you haven't been watching their recent games. Going by all the hype created on Pakpassion, I actually thought India's attack was going to be as good as they said it was. How disappointed I was when I saw them play..

I never said anything about Indian bowling, Pakistan bowling attack has nothing to ride home about.

Of the remaining four teams I still think England with their home conditions have the best bowling and also the best batting.
 
I hope this fires them up like Sehwag's practice match comment fired up the Lankans. :usman


Bond should've said it in hindi :)))

He's too classy to be insulting, you need proper bumpkins like Sehwag for that.
 
Must be fair here. Pak were well ahead of Saf and were winning and probably would have won. They have the rub over saffers in ICC events.

That said Eng will thrash Pak. Bond is being honest.

So pk deserve their semi final place but the show ends. They are the weakest side left.
 
pakistanis are very quick to make someone hero or zero

one good match with bowling and suddenly pak becomes best bowling attack

Of the 4 sides left, pk has the weakest attack.

Batting ranks:

Eng
Ind
Bd
Pk

Bowling:

Ind
Bd
Eng
Pk
 
Okay enough is enough now.Show what you got go and finish this england team. No mercy.
#Best bowling lineup!😈😈😈😈
 
Okay enough is enough now.Show what you got go and finish this england team. No mercy.
#Best bowling lineup!��������

You back on the pakistani bandwagon after south africa was knocked out? :yk
 
How does Pakistan have best bowling attack.

I don't think Pakistan has the best bowling attack in CT. Performance so far doesn't back that up.

Just for comparison,

SA bowling has avg of 34 and ER of 4.8
Ind bowling has avg of 30 and ER of 5.3
Aus bowling has avg of 29 and ER of 5.4
Pak bowling has avg of 36 and ER of 5.2

Having said that 3 matches don't give you meaningful sample size, but that's what we have in CT so far.
 
We are light years behind England,India,SA,Aus as far as batting is concerned. Even a collapse from England will mean they get 260 with the depth in their batting which will make 360 for our timid batsmen.
 
It's not ifs and buts. Pakistan have been screwing up chases since forever. India have been hitting 300+ since forever. Even against SL India hit 300+ without Kohli/UV.

Also your comparison makes no sense. Indian batsmen getting dropped etc did happen. The SA match did not happen to it's end and it's pure conjecture how the chase might have panned out. Considering Pakistan's poor chasing there is definitely a chance they might have lost.

Also Pakistan fielders dropping catches is expected - it always happens. You can't say if they did not drop - they always drop. Saying if Pakistani fielders did not drop is like saying if Jadeja scored a 300 in Australia in Perth. It simply does not happen. So you cannot factor in something that does not happen compared to something that does happen frequently which is Pakistan botching up easy chases.

What a load of absolute tripe you have just typed. It's not even worth responding to the garbage some of you lot can come up with.

Ask some Bollywood director to make a movie about SA beating Pak had the rain not come to save Pak. That's the only world where SA we're winning that one, the delusional world where you can pretend this and that would happen.

And lol @ "forever". You mean the forever starting from the year 2000. For Indians like you maybe cricket didn't exist before then.
 
It's not ifs and buts. Pakistan have been screwing up chases since forever. India have been hitting 300+ since forever. Even against SL India hit 300+ without Kohli/UV.

Also your comparison makes no sense. Indian batsmen getting dropped etc did happen. The SA match did not happen to it's end and it's pure conjecture how the chase might have panned out. Considering Pakistan's poor chasing there is definitely a chance they might have lost.

Also Pakistan fielders dropping catches is expected - it always happens. You can't say if they did not drop - they always drop. Saying if Pakistani fielders did not drop is like saying if Jadeja scored a 300 in Australia in Perth. It simply does not happen. So you cannot factor in something that does not happen compared to something that does happen frequently which is Pakistan botching up easy chases.

Do u even see the contradictions in your post? Lol

I cant factor in something that didnt happen but you can? :))

Pakistan didnt hold on to kohli's and yuvraj's catches, true. But Pakistan didnt collapse against SA as well.

You are saying Pakistan did drop the catches so that cant be negated because thats a reality which took place. But then you go on to say that Pakistan COULD have collapsed if rain didnt come, something which didnt take place. :yk
 
What a load of absolute tripe you have just typed. It's not even worth responding to the garbage some of you lot can come up with.

Ask some Bollywood director to make a movie about SA beating Pak had the rain not come to save Pak. That's the only world where SA we're winning that one, the delusional world where you can pretend this and that would happen.

And lol @ "forever". You mean the forever starting from the year 2000. For Indians like you maybe cricket didn't exist before then.

The amount of bias and blindness in that post is astonishing. Lmao
 
remember the two words..."Shadab Khan"..that's our best chance really...

I would stop following cricket if Shadab Khan is not in the playing 11 against England..

I don't see anything special in Shadab.He is yet to bowl a match changing spell in ODIs against top teams.let's see how he fares against England.
 
I don't think Pakistan has the best bowling attack in CT. Performance so far doesn't back that up.

Just for comparison,

SA bowling has avg of 34 and ER of 4.8
Ind bowling has avg of 30 and ER of 5.3
Aus bowling has avg of 29 and ER of 5.4
Pak bowling has avg of 36 and ER of 5.2

Having said that 3 matches don't give you meaningful sample size, but that's what we have in CT so far.

Only because Pakistan got heavily beaten in the first match.

They bowled poorly that day but they bowled outstanding well in the last 2. That's why they won those 2 matches.

Leave the stats guru aside and watch the matches where matches are won.
 
Pakistan are not chasing anything over 250 against England.

Even if Pak reduces England to 100/4 or something, England will still score close to 300.

The mighty Aussie bowling lineup of Starc/Hazlewood/Cummins/Zampa could not do anything against England batting.

Barring a miracle, Pak will be lucky to be even in the game after the first half of the match.
 
Only because Pakistan got heavily beaten in the first match.

They bowled poorly that day but they bowled outstanding well in the last 2. That's why they won those 2 matches.

Leave the stats guru aside and watch the matches where matches are won.

I saw all matches so let's leave those sarcastic comments. If you get hammered badly in one and did well in other two then it's a good performance, but to claim of the best needs to be compared with all other teams. No team has stood out so far in my opinion.
 
Only because Pakistan got heavily beaten in the first match.

They bowled poorly that day but they bowled outstanding well in the last 2. That's why they won those 2 matches.

Leave the stats guru aside and watch the matches where matches are won.

India bowled out Pakistan and South Africa for less than 200, even without statsguru, clearly India's bowling attack is better than pakistan
 
Pakistan are not chasing anything over 250 against England.

Even if Pak reduces England to 100/4 or something, England will still score close to 300.

The mighty Aussie bowling lineup of Starc/Hazlewood/Cummins/Zampa could not do anything against England batting.

Barring a miracle, Pak will be lucky to be even in the game after the first half of the match.

It depends on the pitch conditions too, if its a slow wicket like the last match between pak and lanka then pak can surprise england
 
Everything is going exactly like 2015 WC for Pakistan. Getting hammered by India in the opening ground match, which led to lots of stick and calls for heads from fans and then bouncing back from nowhere with a win against South Africa with their bowling and then getting beaten convincingly by the favourites, the home team in the knockouts.

I don't think you remember just how resoundingly we were beaten by low ranked West Indies in that tournament early on. The team limped along in that final before being put out of its misery. Same here, given the poor cricket we have played we should be nowhere near the semis...though here we are.
 
Pakistan also held two teams under 250 bowling first. Can anyone name another team that did that?
 
India bowled out Pakistan and South Africa for less than 200, even without statsguru, clearly India's bowling attack is better than pakistan

To be 'clearly' better, Indians bowlers needed to do better against SL. I won't argue if you claim to be better, but India being 'clearly' better than Pakistan or Pakistan being the 'best' in CT looks exaggerated comments, but then nothing wrong in having some bias. That's what makes us fans.
 
I don't think Pakistan has the best bowling attack in CT. Performance so far doesn't back that up.

Just for comparison,

SA bowling has avg of 34 and ER of 4.8
Ind bowling has avg of 30 and ER of 5.3
Aus bowling has avg of 29 and ER of 5.4
Pak bowling has avg of 36 and ER of 5.2

Having said that 3 matches don't give you meaningful sample size, but that's what we have in CT so far.

I am not just talking about CT, I am talking of bowling attacks in general. Pakistan bowling attack is nothing great, it is good that they replaced Wahab who has no control at all and leaks runs.
 
India bowled out Pakistan and South Africa for less than 200, even without statsguru, clearly India's bowling attack is better than pakistan

Yes mother India is much better. Couldn't even defend 320 against SL but they are better.

SA choked - they were 130/2 before giving bizarre ridiculous runs outs. It wasn't because of great Indian bowling.
 
I am not just talking about CT, I am talking of bowling attacks in general.

If you are talking about in general then nothing needs to be debated. I was only commenting about performances in CT.
 
Yes mother India is much better. Couldn't even defend 320 against SL but they are better.

SA choked - they were 130/2 before giving bizarre ridiculous runs outs. It wasn't because of great Indian bowling.

Bhuvi rated third best bowler by captains of all nations participating in the CT, ahead of amir, rabada, steyn, more glory to mother India :srini, more burn for you :yk

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/40121511
 
again what have we got to lose? we were not expected to get this far. This was probably the worst ODI side we have put out there in a tournament. But as happens in tournament cricket a team can gain momentum and gel. And when that happens it doesnt matter what is written on paper.

Hayles and Roy can be gotten at. We can also go after Morgan. The key wickets are root and stokes. If we can get them for not much we have a big chance. But can we get them out? also what if england put us in and then blow us away? I wont be surpised if they win the toss and bat second! Malik and hafeez cant handle pressure and azam is hit and miss..the rest are all inexperienced.
 
Ummm I just did in the above post, India held two teams under 200

You misread my question. India only did it once bowling first, and that was against SA who was reeling from their loss to Pakistan and is a known choker. Pakistan batted second vs. India and the run rate pressure got to them and as happens these days for most teams chasing over 300.
 
Looks like you haven't been watching their recent games. Going by all the hype created on Pakpassion, I actually thought India's attack was going to be as good as they said it was. How disappointed I was when I saw them play..

LOL. Did you really watch India bowling? We restricted teams to below 200 in two of the three games. Statistically our bowlers bowled better than yours. What made you to say Pakistan attack was the best?
 
Yes mother India is much better. Couldn't even defend 320 against SL but they are better.

SA choked - they were 130/2 before giving bizarre ridiculous runs outs. It wasn't because of great Indian bowling.
So SA choked against India but not against Pak? What happened to your bowlers against India who gave away 320 in 48 overs?
 
Good observation, and England (favorites) after knocking out Pakistan will go on to win the tournament at their home. :eek:

What's funny about this chain of thought is that it'll come true

So it's not really funny as a Pakistani fan, quite disheartening actually :mv
 
Pakistan has been very very lucky to reach semifinals.The game against Saf was decided by the rain had that game was not interrupted by rain anything was possible and again with SL the poor Sl fielding was the reason for Pak win and both times Pak found themselves lucky in the batting department no doubt they bowled exceptionally well and luck will run out for Pak against Eng the only chance they could win is good day with the bat and that is very predictable that it will be a failure as usual so England win easy to predict if pak wins it will be shocking even more shocking if their batsmen wins them the Eng game - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...2017-Predictions-thread&p=9311352#post9311352

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Bhuvi rated third best bowler by captains of all nations participating in the CT, ahead of amir, rabada, steyn, more glory to mother India :srini, more burn for you :yk

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/40121511




LOL Kumar as third best before Hazlewood, Woakes, and Amir, noiice!

Hard to take a poll seriously when they also include Kamran in the list of best keepers in the world!
 
I think England are slowly becoming a consistent team in pressure games, although they need to prove themselves more. It's good for World Cricket that we have 3 teams, in England, India and Australia, who are indeed Big 3 on and off the field.
 
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