"I replied (to Guptill) with a word that I cannot repeat, but you have all heard it": Sarfaraz Ahmed

[MenInG]

"I replied (to Guptill) with a word that I cannot repeat, but you have all heard it": Sarfaraz Ahmed

Sarfaraz Ahmed explaining the Martin Guptil incident during the NZvPak series :

The issues was that the ball was 6 overs old and Faheem Ashraf had been hit for a six and the ball had been lost

When the umpire changed the ball and gave the ball to Shadab, he told me this is a very new ball

So I went to the umpire to talk to him about the fact that the ball was six overs old so give us a six over old ball

It was good for the batting side as the pitch was such that the ball being old was coming on slowly

So he (Guptill) said that its not like 10 overs have been bowled, but I replied with word that I cannot repeat but you have all heard it

This is why I was angry as I was arguing with umpire at that you are giving an advantage to them with a new ball

They didnt change the ball but we tried to manage with one tip throws etc

 

[Pete Rose]

‘Tried to manage with one dip throws’ .... interesting confession

 

[BaankeJi]

What had he said to Guptill?

 

[Hitman]

What did he say to Guptill?

 

[ipl_fan]

"Tried to manage with one dip throws"

Blurted out something he should have kept to himself.

 

[BaankeJi]

"Tried to manage with one dip throws"

Blurted out something he should have kept to himself.

There is nothing illegal in that.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sarfaraz Ahmed admits that his English is improving. During a T20I in the recent series against NZ when the umpires changed the ball:<br>Martin Guptill "he's not going to f****** pick a 10 over old ball"<br>Sarfaraz Ahmed "I am not talking to you, f*** off" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/960790371268775936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Sidilicious]

And we are making a big deal of that due to .......

Kohli’s every other sentence would then be asked by a journalist

 

[kingusama92]

Nothing wrong with that and Guptill was asking for it.

 

[kaayal]

And we are making a big deal of that due to .......

Kohli’s every other sentence would then be asked by a journalist

Lol true Kohli ) )

Journalist will never dare to question Kohli. Poor Sarfaraz, need to clarify each and every move.

 

[run-out]

"Tried to manage with one dip throws"

Blurted out something he should have kept to himself.

What does it mean?

 

[DRsohail]

What does it mean? &#55357;&#56873;

to strike it hard on ground to make it soft and older.

 

[Oligochaetes]

I am sure Surf reserves his worse abuses for his own teammates.

 

[MenInG]

I may be the odd one here but for a Hafiz-e-Quran to utter such filth with the same tongue that recites the word of ALLAH swt is very strange.

 

[MenInG]

What does it mean? &#55357;&#56873;

we corrected it to 'tip'

 

[barah_admi]

I may be the odd one here but for a Hafiz-e-Quran to utter such filth with the same tongue that recites the word of ALLAH swt is very strange.

I have to agree BUT it is in the heat of the moment, after having lost a number of matches, media pressure, national pressure and some numpty walks past questioning you...I think I would have done the same.

 

[pkckt]

I may be the odd one here but for a Hafiz-e-Quran to utter such filth with the same tongue that recites the word of ALLAH swt is very strange.

He's said worse things to his own teammates so this shouldn't come off as a surprise

 

[TM Riddle]

Good to see Pakistani players working on their English#BoysPlayedWell

 

[Syed1]

Nothing wrong in it. Well done Sarfaraz. Guptill approached and abused him first, Saifi just replied in the same vein. What was he supposed to do? Say "yes sir as you wish" ?

 

[Sher Khan]

Raza Hasan is also a Hafiz-e-Quran, just like many other Pakistanis are. Having said that, I don't think Sarfraz uses such language regularly it was heat of the moment.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

There is nothing illegal in that.

There is.

If you go to...

https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/cricket/rules-and-regulations/code-of-conduct

.....and download the file "Code of Conduct for Players and Player Support Personnel - Effective of 28 September 2017"

You will see the following:

2.2.9 Changing the condition of the ball in breach of clause 41.3 of the ICC Standard Test
Match, ODI and T20I Playing Conditions.

Any action(s) likely to alter the condition of the ball which were not specifically permitted under clause 41.3.2 may be regarded as ‘unfair’. The following actions shall not be permitted (this list of actions is not exhaustive but included for illustrative purposes): (a) deliberately throwing the ball into the ground for the purpose of roughening it up; (b) applying any artificial substance to the ball; and applying any non-artificial substance
for any purpose other than to polish the ball; (c) lifting or otherwise interfering with any of the seams of the
ball; (d) scratching the surface of the ball with finger or thumb nails or any implement.
The Umpires shall use their judgment to apply the principle that actions taken to maintain or enhance the
condition of the ball, provided no artificial substances are used, shall be permitted. Any actions taken with
the purpose of damaging the condition of the ball or accelerating the deterioration of the condition of the ball shall not be permitted.

If the player is caught doing it, it's a Level 2 Offence. Which in theory can lead to a "fine of 50% to 100% of match fee and/or ban for 1 Test or 2 ODIs". (Last quoted bit is from wikipedia)

 

[Syed1]

He's said worse things to his own teammates so this shouldn't come off as a surprise

Can you please give examples of worse things that he has said to his teammates?

 

[Syed1]

There is.

If you go to...

https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/cricket/rules-and-regulations/code-of-conduct

.....and download the file "Code of Conduct for Players and Player Support Personnel - Effective of 28 September 2017"

You will see the following:


If the player is caught doing it, it's a Level 2 Offence. Which in theory can lead to a "fine of 50% to 100% of match fee and/or ban for 1 Test or 2 ODIs". (Last quoted bit is from wikipedia)

The condition of the ball was changed with the ump gave him a brand new ball even though the previous ball was six overs old, Sarfaraz and his team were just restoring the ball to its previous state. The umpires are more to blame than the captain/team.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

The condition of the ball was changed with the ump gave him a brand new ball even though the previous ball was six overs old, Sarfaraz and his team were just restoring the ball to its previous state. The umpires are more to blame than the captain/team.

I'm just responding to a post about a cricket law and trying to clear a misconception.

I'm not blaming anyone. Throwing the ball into the ground to rough it up is done by everyone, if they can get away with it. And it's a very silly rule to begin with, and a lot of cricketers including Barry Richards have said so.
If they quoted him correctly, Sarfaraz should just be more careful about what he says.

 

[jaf348]

Talk about making a meal out of something. Nothing wrong with the language and the context that it was used in. Guys like Akhtar and Harbhajan used frequently use Punjabi swear words referencing someones mothers or sisters all the time on the cricket field - not that I condone such usage in public.

 

[pkckt]

Can you please give examples of worse things that he has said to his teammates?

a certain phrase he said to Babar Azam(i think) when he misfielded, I'm not sure how much i can hint to the phrase before breaking the rules of this forum so i'll not say it but mind you it wasn't a very nice thing to say

 

[Syed1]

a certain phrase he said to Babar Azam(i think) when he misfielded, I'm not sure how much i can hint to the phrase before breaking the rules of this forum so i'll not say it but mind you it wasn't a very nice thing to say

There was no abuse in it...

 

[UN talkz]

Yes we all heard that word...
Bouy said that infront of umpire, Sarf for President

 

[Rayyman]

Some people are so soft...

 

[Rayyman]

Sarfraz is tough as nails. As are most people from cities.

 

[Madplayer]

I may be the odd one here but for a Hafiz-e-Quran to utter such filth with the same tongue that recites the word of ALLAH swt is very strange.

He is human at the end of the day. Being a Hafiz-e-Quran wont change that and rightly so. Emotions run wild in the heat of the moment so i dont see anything odd in it. Ofcourse, its always better to control your anger though.

 

[msb314]

I may be the odd one here but for a Hafiz-e-Quran to utter such filth with the same tongue that recites the word of ALLAH swt is very strange.

Swearing is common for professional athletes - everyone does it. Even the ones you think wouldn’t...

 

[DeadBall]

I may be the odd one here but for a Hafiz-e-Quran to utter such filth with the same tongue that recites the word of ALLAH swt is very strange.

Everybody recites the Quran while praying. Does that mean that no one is allowed to curse?

 

[Pete Rose]

The condition of the ball was changed with the ump gave him a brand new ball even though the previous ball was six overs old, Sarfaraz and his team were just restoring the ball to its previous state. The umpires are more to blame than the captain/team.

This is a defense, a weak one, but a defense. You can only change condition of ball if you ar allowed to by the ump. If not, it’s tampering. Whatever mitigating excuses the player wants to make for tampering with the ball, can be done in front of the match referee.
Pretty daft admission by the captain.

 

[MenInG]

Everybody recites the Quran while praying. Does that mean that no one is allowed to curse?

You tell me?

A Hafiz-e-Quran is a little more than many others.

anyways that's my opinion

 

[babajee]

You tell me?

A Hafiz-e-Quran is a little more than many others.

anyways that's my opinion

Just because he’s a Hafiz-e-Quran it doesn’t mean he is a perfect human being.

 

[DeadBall]

You tell me?

A Hafiz-e-Quran is a little more than many others.

anyways that's my opinion

Well Hafiz or not, you said that it was someone who recites the words of Allah, which all Muslims who pray do. Just because he has it memorized does not make him holier than anybody else.

P.S - I also have the first 2 paras and paras 30-23 memorized, not that it matters anymore as I am not religious.

 

[OmaIR1]

I may be the odd one here but for a Hafiz-e-Quran to utter such filth with the same tongue that recites the word of ALLAH swt is very strange.

This comment is what is wrong with Muslim people in the world. Being judgemental, 0 errors, scrutinized for every error/mistake, etc.

A complete non issue in my opinion and actually good to see as I initially thought he was too much of a "nice guy" on the field.

 

[DeadBall]

A complete non issue in my opinion and actually good to see as I initially thought he was too much of a "nice guy" on the field.

Really? Have you even been following Pakistan cricket of late? )

 

[htariq25]

You tell me?

A Hafiz-e-Quran is a little more than many others.

anyways that's my opinion

Molvi saab swearing once won't send him to hell. Also he is a human being and for you to pick that out on him that he swore despite being a hafiz e Quran is stange. It makes no difference whether your a hafiz or not the word he muttered is wrong but like I said he's human.

 

[MenInG]

Molvi saab swearing once won't send him to hell. Also he is a human being and for you to pick that out on him that he swore despite being a hafiz e Quran is stange. It makes no difference whether your a hafiz or not the word he muttered is wrong but like I said he's human.

Did I say he will go to hell? Yes as a Hafiz-e-Quran there is an added responsibility on him- In my view.

 

[htariq25]

Did I say he will go to hell? Yes as a Hafiz-e-Quran there is an added responsibility on him- In my view.

I respect your opinion but everyone makes mistakes and so it's really not an issue. I personally believe whether hafiz or not all Muslims have a responsibility not to utter such words. However, if it happens in the heat of the moment it's not an issue.
He needs to cut the abuse on his own players though.

 

[HitWicket]

Surprised the focus isn't more on Sarfarazs slightly odd public admittance of ball tampering by himself and other members of the team in a press conference.

 

[Syed1]

Surprised the focus isn't more on Sarfarazs slightly odd public admittance of ball tampering by himself and other members of the team in a press conference.

It's ok if you don't get caught.... as a Brit you would know all about that

 

[Madplayer]

Surprised the focus isn't more on Sarfarazs slightly odd public admittance of ball tampering by himself and other members of the team in a press conference.

It isnt ball tampering. He is just benefitting from a natural process. Pakistani fielders are weak and their throws dont reach directly into the hands of the keeper from the outfield. Besides every team does it.

 

[HitWicket]

It's ok if you don't get caught.... as a Brit you would know all about that

Bit hard not to get caught when you decide to tell the media what you did and what your intentions were...

 

[HitWicket]

It isnt ball tampering. He is just benefitting from a natural process. Pakistani fielders are weak and their throws dont reach directly into the hands of the keeper from the outfield. Besides every team does it.

He's pretty clearly stated they were trying to change the condition of the ball by throwing it into the turf, which is more or less directly referenced in the ICC regulations as being ball tampering.

 

[Syed1]

He's pretty clearly stated they were trying to change the condition of the ball by throwing it into the turf, which is more or less directly referenced in the ICC regulations as being ball tampering.

The ball was 6 overs old and was starting to get purchase off the surface when it was smashed out of the ground and was subsequently lost. The umps than gave the bowling side a brand new ball which obviously would have benefited the batting side and the ball wasn't changed despite the bowling captain's complaints. After which it was decided to bounce the ball in from the boundary to try to restore it to its original state. The umpires are more to blame for trying to aid one side over the other.

 

[A-1]

Good on him for not holding back but he shouldn't have mentioned the one dip throw part. Our players really need to be educated on how to speak to the media. I am sure his intentions were to clarify the incident but he unknowingly said something that he shouldn't have, You can't disclose such things in public as people may take it out of context.

 

[Madplayer]

He's pretty clearly stated they were trying to change the condition of the ball by throwing it into the turf, which is more or less directly referenced in the ICC regulations as being ball tampering.

Sue him. Well done to him by using Legal ways of getting advantage in the open infront of 1000 cameras and umpires and refrees. Rather than using zippers (SA)and assigning ball tampering tasks to designated players (ENG).

If ICC has a problem, they will investigate it.

 

[HitWicket]

Sue him. Well done to him by using Legal ways of getting advantage in the open infront of 1000 cameras and umpires and refrees. Rather than using zippers (SA)and assigning ball tampering tasks to designated players (ENG).

If ICC has a problem, they will investigate it.

That's the problem though, it's not legal :

The following actions shall not be permitted (this list of actions is not exhaustive
but included for illustrative purposes): (a) deliberately throwing the ball into the ground for the purpose of roughening it up;

You can't usually get punished for it because it's subjective as to whether your intention was to actually tamper with the ball. When you clearly state in your press conference that ball tampering was your intention there's no longer any subjectivity.

It would be no different to a player coming out and saying they didn't agree with the umpires so decided to scratch the ball with their zipper.

 

[OmaIR1]

Really? Have you even been following Pakistan cricket of late? )

What are you talking about? He comes across as a nice guy to me, good to see him stand his ground and show aggression.

 

[MRSN]

Sarfraz lacks class as a player. I have seen him doing a lot of things to say this. For example when he was showing send offs to World XI players who came to play a friendly series or when he was angry at Umar Akmal for hitting a boundaries to finish the chase when Sarfraz was in his 90s on the other end. Or what he said to Baber.

I have seen many arrogant captains in the past or current(Kohli) but they were really good when it came to their own performances , Sarfraz is a passenger in the team and yet he has the audacity to behave like such a clown.

 

[MRSN]

Sue him. Well done to him by using Legal ways of getting advantage in the open infront of 1000 cameras and umpires and refrees. Rather than using zippers (SA)and assigning ball tampering tasks to designated players (ENG).

If ICC has a problem, they will investigate it.

Right. Every team has some ways of using these legal ways but no one as stupid as him to announce publicly. Next time he drops even if his intention wasn't, all the people watching will be looking at him suspiciously.

 

[Madplayer]

That's the problem though, it's not legal :

The following actions shall not be permitted (this list of actions is not exhaustive
but included for illustrative purposes): (a) deliberately throwing the ball into the ground for the purpose of roughening it up;

You can't usually get punished for it because it's subjective as to whether your intention was to actually tamper with the ball. When you clearly state in your press conference that ball tampering was your intention there's no longer any subjectivity.

It would be no different to a player coming out and saying they didn't agree with the umpires so decided to scratch the ball with their zipper.

Deliberately throwing into the ground can be interpreted in different ways. You pick up a ball and bang it into the ground. Thats one way to do it.

The umpires are best judges and they didnt question it during the play. Sarfaraz saying anything outside the field of play doesnt mean jack. He can always say he meant something else and his real meaning was lost in translation.

 

[Madplayer]

Right. Every team has some ways of using these legal ways but no one as stupid as him to announce publicly. Next time he drops even if his intention wasn't, all the people watching will be looking at him suspiciously.

Nobody cares about an interview he gave to some crappy channel. Nobody will even listen to it or even know it. Relax.

 

[DeadBall]

Deliberately throwing into the ground can be interpreted in different ways. You pick up a ball and bang it into the ground. Thats one way to do it.

The umpires are best judges and they didnt question it during the play. Sarfaraz saying anything outside the field of play doesnt mean jack. He can always say he meant something else and his real meaning was lost in translation.

He was asking the fielders to throw it on the bounce after the ball change. Even if he was hard done by, were it a different team or umpire that understood Urdu it could have had consequences for him.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Non issue. I have seen religious people doing the worst kind of stuff than non-religious ones. Poor Sarfraz just said a word which is used casually in most western cultures.

 

[Rayyman]

Sarfraz lacks class as a player. I have seen him doing a lot of things to say this. For example when he was showing send offs to World XI players who came to play a friendly series or when he was angry at Umar Akmal for hitting a boundaries to finish the chase when Sarfraz was in his 90s on the other end. Or what he said to Baber.

I have seen many arrogant captains in the past or current(Kohli) but they were really good when it came to their own performances , Sarfraz is a passenger in the team and yet he has the audacity to behave like such a clown.

If Kohli were to field in the slips behind you, he would make you cry.