"I see a new number 1 Test bowler coming... Mohammad Abbas" : Dale Steyn

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I see a new number 1 Test bowler coming... Mohammad Abbas</p>— Dale Steyn (@DaleSteyn62) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaleSteyn62/status/1053171783015321600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[AFM]

Plaudits keep coming

 

[angrypathan]

Getting the attention he deserves, up to him to prove that he can continue to succeed now that teams will focus a lot more on him

 

[IAJ]

He needs to keep mixing them up. The batsmen will be more cautious against him. But some big words from Steyn and it should encourage Abbas more.

 

[Usman Chadda]

He has been unbelievable.

 

[mak36]

Very clever bowler.

Just one example of how Abbas has improved between series: this series he has combatted the batsmen batting outside their crease a lot better than he did in the England series, mainly by getting the keeper to come up to the crease.

The other thing he should consider is bowling a yorker/full length delivery as a surprise delivery if the batsman is batting outside his crease. Shami did it a few times to Buttler IIRC. (Granted Shami is quicker but similar principle).

 

[AFM]

Sad truth of the matter is he won't be getting this much attention if we were playing WI or SL.

The truth of the matter is that England, Australia and India Tests gain much more global attention. Good on Abbas that he has performed when most eyes are on him.

 

[mak36]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quality bowler in all conditions</p>— Stuart Broad (@StuartBroad8) <a href="https://twitter.com/StuartBroad8/status/1052642201677811712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The praise just keeps coming from his peers.

As an aside, it is interesting how professional cricketers watch tests in their time off.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan have as always unearthed a special fast bowler. Mohammad Abbas looks an unbelievably talented bowler.</p>— Mohammad Kaif (@MohammadKaif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MohammadKaif/status/1053176743954210817?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Wow. Amazing bowler. I am speechless.

I always thought we will never see a bowler like Asif. But he will surpass Asif (if he hasn't already), In Sha Allah.

Damn.

 

[run-out]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ll take just the Abbas <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/lifelongdream?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#lifelongdream</a> </p>— AB de Villiers (@ABdeVilliers17) <a href="https://twitter.com/ABdeVilliers17/status/1053171982236377088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[mak36]

Wow. Amazing bowler. I am speechless.

I always thought we will never see a bowler like Asif. But he will surpass Asif (if he hasn't already), In Sha Allah.

Damn.

Asif used to get more conventional swing, whereas Abbas seems to rely more on seam movement and in the later overs reverse swing.

 

[Hawkeye]

Abbas, Abbas, is everywhere!

He's got world's attention. Hope he continues to do good.

 

[Hawkeye]

Asif used to get more conventional swing, whereas Abbas seems to rely more on seam movement and in the later overs reverse swing.

Asif was probably the best operator of seam bowling.

Yes, used to get swing as well. But he could and did move the ball the way he wanted with seam movement.

 

[Sidilicious]

Can someone analyse his bowling for those who haven't seen him bowl?

He is doing well in UAE, so I am guessing he has more than just conventional swing in his armoury. I am guessing he is more of a seamer? What about reverse swing.

 

[mak36]

Asif was probably the best operator of seam bowling.

Yes, used to get swing as well. But he could and did move the ball the way he wanted with seam movement.

Absolutely. Asif was no doubt one of the best exponents of both seam and swing.

Perhaps I wasn't clear, but my point was more that Abbas is slightly different from Asif in that he doesn't really look to swing the new ball.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Can someone analyse his bowling for those who haven't seen him bowl?

He is doing well in UAE, so I am guessing he has more than just conventional swing in his armoury. I am guessing he is more of a seamer? What about reverse swing.

All that with brains and game awareness IQ. It's not like he has the magic stick. Guy, simply put, is good at his strengths.

 

[mak36]

Can someone analyse his bowling for those who haven't seen him bowl?

He is doing well in UAE, so I am guessing he has more than just conventional swing in his armoury. I am guessing he is more of a seamer? What about reverse swing.

His control is insane; he hits the top of off stump on a regular basis.

He gets the ball to nibble. Some straighten. Some come back in sharply.

He gets the ball to reverse late. Not by much, but his accuracy means it is deadly.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Abbas has been the slowest seam bowler on show in this second Test, and has found the least swing. However, more of his deliveries have targeted the stumps (35%) than any other seamer in the match. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a> <a href="https://t.co/y2MZI1IjZU">pic.twitter.com/y2MZI1IjZU</a></p>— The Cricket Prof. (@CricProf) <a href="https://twitter.com/CricProf/status/1052801450269663232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Duckworth Lewis]

This is a huge compliment. Rare from Steyn. Not like Warne praising Yasir.

 

[mak36]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In England and Ireland, Mohammad Abbas averaged 0.5° of swing; in this series, he's averaged 0.9°. It may be that because Abbas' action doesn't immediately look like one conducive to reverse-swing, he doesn't receive the credit he deserves when he finds it. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— The Cricket Prof. (@CricProf) <a href="https://twitter.com/CricProf/status/1053195053173215232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Sidilicious]

All that with brains and game awareness IQ. It's not like he has the magic stick. Guy, simply put, is good at his strengths.

His control is insane; he hits the top of off stump on a regular basis.

He gets the ball to nibble. Some straighten. Some come back in sharply.

He gets the ball to reverse late. Not by much, but his accuracy means it is deadly.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Abbas has been the slowest seam bowler on show in this second Test, and has found the least swing. However, more of his deliveries have targeted the stumps (35%) than any other seamer in the match. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a> <a href="https://t.co/y2MZI1IjZU">pic.twitter.com/y2MZI1IjZU</a></p>— The Cricket Prof. (@CricProf) <a href="https://twitter.com/CricProf/status/1052801450269663232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Thanks guys. So, I am guessing he would have been disregarded as a good bowler by the phaaast bowling brigade in the beginning.

Good to see bowlers using their brains and variations.

Any reason he was not played in the Asia XI?

Looking forward to watching him in the next match against India.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

His control is insane; he hits the top of off stump on a regular basis.

He gets the ball to nibble. Some straighten. Some come back in sharply.

He gets the ball to reverse late. Not by much, but his accuracy means it is deadly.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Abbas has been the slowest seam bowler on show in this second Test, and has found the least swing. However, more of his deliveries have targeted the stumps (35%) than any other seamer in the match. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a> <a href="https://t.co/y2MZI1IjZU">pic.twitter.com/y2MZI1IjZU</a></p>— The Cricket Prof. (@CricProf) <a href="https://twitter.com/CricProf/status/1052801450269663232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Aha! Trundler pace (to maintain) with control, subtle length variations, seam movement and late swing is deadly

 

[mak36]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In England and Ireland, Mohammad Abbas averaged 0.5° of swing; in this series, he's averaged 0.9°. It may be that because Abbas' action doesn't immediately look like one conducive to reverse-swing, he doesn't receive the credit he deserves when he finds it. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— The Cricket Prof. (@CricProf) <a href="https://twitter.com/CricProf/status/1053195053173215232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The lowest swing stat might be slightly old, in light of the above tweet.

 

[Xoib]

Can someone analyse his bowling for those who haven't seen him bowl?

He is doing well in UAE, so I am guessing he has more than just conventional swing in his armoury. I am guessing he is more of a seamer? What about reverse swing.

He is relentless with the off stuimp channel also targets the stumps 90% of the times. Tends to get seam movement more then most guys and for some reason also is very good with the reverse even though his pace and action is not conducive for it. I believe this is a purple patch and he will start producing normal stats in time this is a case like Hussey who debut after years of toil in the peak of his form but after sometime he went down couple of notches and still ended up with a great test record I believe Abbas will follow similar path.

 

[MenInG]

He is relentless with the off stuimp channel also targets the stumps 90% of the times. Tends to get seam movement more then most guys and for some reason also is very good with the reverse even though his pace and action is not conducive for it. I believe this is a purple patch and he will start producing normal stats in time this is a case like Hussey who debut after years of toil in the peak of his form but after sometime he went down couple of notches and still ended up with a great test record I believe Abbas will follow similar path.

 

[Faisaltbutt]

Did broad respond talking about abbas?

 

[Sidilicious]

Looks like the county stint has had significant impact on his development.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

He completes his 10fer.

 

[Bewal Express]

He has certainly surprised me. It will be interesting in SA if gets the LBW`s on the more bouncier wickets?

 

[mak36]

Did broad respond talking about abbas?

Yes. Nixon is Leicestershire's head coach.

 

[Usman Chadda]

He has certainly surprised me. It will be interesting in SA if gets the LBW`s on the more bouncier wickets?

He’ll need to adjust his length. Smart enough bowler to do that, and I expect him to perform well against this South African batting line-up without ABD.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Should be Man of the series

His second consecutive MOTS award.

 

[Sirris]

He is relentless with the off stuimp channel also targets the stumps 90% of the times. Tends to get seam movement more then most guys and for some reason also is very good with the reverse even though his pace and action is not conducive for it. I believe this is a purple patch and he will start producing normal stats in time this is a case like Hussey who debut after years of toil in the peak of his form but after sometime he went down couple of notches and still ended up with a great test record I believe Abbas will follow similar path.

Interesting to see where he goes from here. Far too often we have seen players coming up and showing good potential and then falling apart.

Though unlike you in Abbas's case I believe he will improve further from here on. He seems to be a smart guy.

 

[wrongun]

He is relentless with the off stuimp channel also targets the stumps 90% of the times. Tends to get seam movement more then most guys and for some reason also is very good with the reverse even though his pace and action is not conducive for it. I believe this is a purple patch and he will start producing normal stats in time this is a case like Hussey who debut after years of toil in the peak of his form but after sometime he went down couple of notches and still ended up with a great test record I believe Abbas will follow similar path.

Pretty good summary of what makes Abbas so successful.

Hussey had several years of top level output before he began to fade. I honestly would enjoy watching Abbas at this level or something like it for another few years at least.

 

[babajee]

Amazing bowler but let's not overhype him. There will be ups and downs and he won't be taking 10 wickets every match.

 

[CricFan2012]

Maybe this will end this obsession with the word 'trundler.'

Being accurate with the ball is much better than bowling fast and all over the place.

Love the guy but Pakistani cricketers fade away very quickly so it is hard to predict where he will be in 5 years.

 

[moghul]

Wow, wow, wow, high praise from a legend, so proud of Abbas.

 

[Hawkeye]

Maybe this will end this obsession with the word 'trundler.'

Being accurate with the ball is much better than bowling fast and all over the place.

Love the guy but Pakistani cricketers fade away very quickly so it is hard to predict where he will be in 5 years.

Why?

Trundler means someone who bowls slow/medium pace. And, Abbas is also a trundler, just like McGrath and Asif were.

But, he knows how to generate movement off the seam. Just like Asif and McGrath did.

We have yet to see how Abbas will fare in the long term - so far he's been extremely good, but law of averages will catch up with him.

More teams and batsmen will study his bowling, and come up with a plan to tackle him.

We'll know what he really is after 2-3 years. He'll either come out on top, or will fade away like most bowlers we have produced in the last 10-12 years.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why?

Trundler means someone who bowls slow/medium pace. And, Abbas is also a trundler, just like McGrath and Asif were.

But, he knows how to generate movement off the seam. Just like Asif and McGrath did.

We have yet to see how Abbas will fare in the long term - so far he's been extremely good, but law of averages will catch up with him.

More teams and batsmen will study his bowling, and come up with a plan to tackle him.

We'll know what he really is after 2-3 years. He'll either come out on top, or will fade away like most bowlers we have produced in the last 10-12 years.

Mcgrath was not a trundler.

Abbas has had a good start. How he does from here remains to be seen.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Abbas just broke a barrier in terms of his performance and media of cricket world. Will be interesting to see how he proceeds now!

 

[Hawkeye]

Mcgrath was not a trundler.

Abbas has had a good start. How he does from here remains to be seen.

He was.

 

[Madplayer]

He was.

Mcgrath used to bowl 140 early on in his career, not to mention he was 6'5 tall.

 

[sali]

County work really help him to become better. Where was this guy for so long? . It was painful to watch likes of Rahat ALi and Wahab Riaz while we had gem like these in domestic cricket performing consistently.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Brilliant bowling

 

[Bewal Express]

The Saffer series will be a test but if we get around the 280 mark against them on those wickets, he will be a handful at all times. All we need now is 2 more that complement him.

 

[JaDed]

Amazing bowler but let's not overhype him. There will be ups and downs and he won't be taking 10 wickets every match.

No one takes 10fer every match, he has done well and one needs to see that he has applied himself well.

There was always some unsurety about Junaid,Wahab and comeback Amir but Abbas actually looks like a complete package, it should be interesting now as batsmens prepare watching his videos and how he comes up!!

 

[Bilal7]

The Saffer series will be a test but if we get around the 280 mark against them on those wickets, he will be a handful at all times. All we need now is 2 more that complement him.

Abbas and Amir will form a deadly partnership in South Africa. Left-hand, right-hand combination and both are bowlers who will make the Saffers desperate for some runs. Besides, we already saw this partnership in 2010.

The third pace-bowler's slot has the most question-marks over it, simply due to the amount of talent that has come in. Riaz, Hassan, Junaid, Hamza, Shaheen and Shinwari can all lay a claim to it.

 

[Abdullah719]

Stay on topic.

Thread is not about Bumrah and Asia Cup.

 

[babajee]

No one takes 10fer every match, he has done well and one needs to see that he has applied himself well.

There was always some unsurety about Junaid,Wahab and comeback Amir but Abbas actually looks like a complete package, it should be interesting now as batsmens prepare watching his videos and how he comes up!!

What I'm saying is that these same people will be calling for his head if he has a run of 2-3 matches where he is below par.

 

[Buffet]

Fantastic performance in these conditions. Deserves all the praise coming to him.

 

[Bewal Express]

Abbas and Amir will form a deadly partnership in South Africa. Left-hand, right-hand combination and both are bowlers who will make the Saffers desperate for some runs. Besides, we already saw this partnership in 2010.

The third pace-bowler's slot has the most question-marks over it, simply due to the amount of talent that has come in. Riaz, Hassan, Junaid, Hamza, Shaheen and Shinwari can all lay a claim to it.

Bar Abbas they are either out of form or never have been in form( for donkeys years). None of those bowlers look like taking a wicket never bowling out the Saffer bar Abbas

 

[Syed1]

Our batting will be more of a concern in the Saffer series. We might get them out for 200-275 everytime but in reply we will be getting out for less than 150.

 

[MMHS]

What I'm saying is that these same people will be calling for his head if he has a run of 2-3 matches where he is below par.

Won't - he is bowling exceptionally well and everyone is appreciating that. And, people do notice that he has done it in contrasting condition of UAE & UK - which since Asif, hardly anyone could do from PAK.

Having said that, you can appreciate a bowler on contemporary form/achievement, and Styen has done exactly that; every poster is doing so as well. But, if it goes to delusional level of comparing with Jimmy Anderson or Dale Styen's career, then it's a problem.

STILL, most poster will give some space for a failure or two - BUT, what you guys (not everyone, I am not generalizing here, but few bad apples are enough to spoil the pie) do is - YOU HURT PEOPLE's FEELING & INSULT THEIR OPINION when your players are on high - that'll always come back with interest. A classic example is that Fakhar's 1st Test score thread and none better than MMHS knows this. I have said many times - PAK is like my 2nd team, and all those Indians here in PP do like/appreciate PAK cricket/cricketers, otherwise they have enough avenues to roam around instead of PP, still........

 

[Usman Chadda]

Won't - he is bowling exceptionally well and everyone is appreciating that. And, people do notice that he has done it in contrasting condition of UAE & UK - which since Asif, hardly anyone could do from PAK.

Having said that, you can appreciate a bowler on contemporary form/achievement, and Styen has done exactly that; every poster is doing so as well. But, if it goes to delusional level of comparing with Jimmy Anderson or Dale Styen's career, then it's a problem.

STILL, most poster will give some space for a failure or two - BUT, what you guys (not everyone, I am not generalizing here, but few bad apples are enough to spoil the pie) do is - YOU HURT PEOPLE's FEELING & INSULT THEIR OPINION when your players are on high - that'll always come back with interest. A classic example is that Fakhar's 1st Test score thread and none better than MMHS knows this. I have said many times - PAK is like my 2nd team, and all those Indians here in PP do like/appreciate PAK cricket/cricketers, otherwise they have enough avenues to roam around instead of PP, still........

You were wrong to label Fakhar a hack. He has the mental grit and character to become even better than what he is now.

 

[babajee]

Won't - he is bowling exceptionally well and everyone is appreciating that. And, people do notice that he has done it in contrasting condition of UAE & UK - which since Asif, hardly anyone could do from PAK.

Having said that, you can appreciate a bowler on contemporary form/achievement, and Styen has done exactly that; every poster is doing so as well. But, if it goes to delusional level of comparing with Jimmy Anderson or Dale Styen's career, then it's a problem.

STILL, most poster will give some space for a failure or two - BUT, what you guys (not everyone, I am not generalizing here, but few bad apples are enough to spoil the pie) do is - YOU HURT PEOPLE's FEELING & INSULT THEIR OPINION when your players are on high - that'll always come back with interest. A classic example is that Fakhar's 1st Test score thread and none better than MMHS knows this. I have said many times - PAK is like my 2nd team, and all those Indians here in PP do like/appreciate PAK cricket/cricketers, otherwise they have enough avenues to roam around instead of PP, still........

I never said we shouldn't be appreciating his performance but we should not be going over the top either - like you've said.

 

[Hawkeye]

No one takes 10fer every match, he has done well and one needs to see that he has applied himself well.

There was always some unsurety about Junaid,Wahab and comeback Amir but Abbas actually looks like a complete package, it should be interesting now as batsmens prepare watching his videos and how he comes up!!

Yes, that last part is the key.

All the top teams are going to prepare the HELL out of countering Abbas. They'll learn each and everything about his bowling, how and when tries to seam the ball.

Real test starts now.

 

[MMHS]

You were wrong to label Fakhar a hack. He has the mental grit and character to become even better than what he is now.

I am not the only one here to question his batting technique or durability. In fact, you guys are feeding word like "hack", "slogger" - I don't use such words for any batsman.

Rather, I have said many times that Fakhar is a fantastic Hand-Eye player with good head - PAK should try to maximize his good form as much as possible, because once he reaches 30s, his reflex & eye sight will betray him - and you could have noticed that in some post, to explain that I gave 2 examples - Viv Richards & Virendar Sehwag - which, probably should have given a clue for people who knows these names.

Ajib baat yaar - here some troll tried to put me in place when I wrote that, in short time Arthur has brought so many changes in his batting game that if he can cope with that, he'll last for few years, other wise it'll be a decline - now Fakhar himself is saying something in that line ..... and you have come here to tell that I was wrong!!!!

 

[GLORY OF '92]

I am not the only one here to question his batting technique or durability. In fact, you guys are feeding word like "hack", "slogger" - I don't use such words for any batsman.

Rather, I have said many times that Fakhar is a fantastic Hand-Eye player with good head - PAK should try to maximize his good form as much as possible, because once he reaches 30s, his reflex & eye sight will betray him - and you could have noticed that in some post, to explain that I gave 2 examples - Viv Richards & Virendar Sehwag - which, probably should have given a clue for people who knows these names.

Ajib baat yaar - here some troll tried to put me in place when I wrote that, in short time Arthur has brought so many changes in his batting game that if he can cope with that, he'll last for few years, other wise it'll be a decline - now Fakhar himself is saying something in that line ..... and you have come here to tell that I was wrong!!!!

Sorry but your anti Pakistan bias is starting to show recently.

 

[MMHS]

Sorry but your anti Pakistan bias is starting to show recently.

To be precise - from Asia Cup, but there is a good reason for that, some regular posters will tell you.

I was never Anti Pakistan, otherwise living 12,000 KM away from home, I won't have spent a good part of my time blogging here for a cricket team which is below average & least exciting.

Rather, I suggest to look it other way - why after 10 years in PP, you feel something different from someone like MMHS? I don't think I need to prove anything here - I don't write to put someone down,let alone insult. Starting from BPL to PCB-BCB relation, spend some time to read archived posts, you should realize that. And, it's quite easy to search in PP - just put Bangladesh in search menu, should do.

Where Bangladesh cricket stands, I know better than anyone here - so no issues; I never mind banters or leg pulling. Now it's time for Afghans to be PP's tool, 6-7 years back it was ZIM & IRL, I am sure had PP been expanded so much that time 15 years back it would have been Kenya ...... I an habituated with that. But, someone should be taught where to stop and where to draw a line.

 

[Hawkeye]

Sorry but your anti Pakistan bias is starting to show recently.

You need to cut down on such accusations. Poor quality stuff.

MMHS is a good, quality poster and can have his own opinions on cricketers. Like everyone else. And is veru supportive of PAK cricket - much more knowledge .

 

[Slog]

Lol why are people salty about Pakistani fans being excited for Abbas.

Dale Steyn is excited but somehow Pakistan fans are supposed to stay grounded about his performance lol

 

[Usman Chadda]

I am not the only one here to question his batting technique or durability. In fact, you guys are feeding word like "hack", "slogger" - I don't use such words for any batsman.

Rather, I have said many times that Fakhar is a fantastic Hand-Eye player with good head - PAK should try to maximize his good form as much as possible, because once he reaches 30s, his reflex & eye sight will betray him - and you could have noticed that in some post, to explain that I gave 2 examples - Viv Richards & Virendar Sehwag - which, probably should have given a clue for people who knows these names.

Ajib baat yaar - here some troll tried to put me in place when I wrote that, in short time Arthur has brought so many changes in his batting game that if he can cope with that, he'll last for few years, other wise it'll be a decline - now Fakhar himself is saying something in that line ..... and you have come here to tell that I was wrong!!!!

But you have also called him a hack previously, which is wrong. Whatever others have labelled him is irrelevant, since I’m replying to you here.

I myself have always believed Fakhar is smarter than people give him credit for. He has the mental toughness to grit it out even when he loses those reflexes. Obviously he will have shockers like the Asia Cup, since that’s how he plays.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Saffer series will be a test but if we get around the 280 mark against them on those wickets, he will be a handful at all times. All we need now is 2 more that complement him.

He will do well in SA.

I want to see how he does in SC againist better batting line ups or in Australia and NZ.

His lack of pace will hamper him sooner rather than later. Dont know how his bouncer is.

 

[MMHS]

But you have also called him a hack previously, which is wrong. Whatever others have labelled him is irrelevant, since I’m replying to you here.

I myself have always believed Fakhar is smarter than people give him credit for. He has the mental toughness to grit it out even when he loses those reflexes. Obviously he will have shockers like the Asia Cup, since that’s how he plays.

Think, we need to define the word "hack" first - can you explain it? As I said, I don't use words like hack to describe any batsman - can't recall, but won't claim, because of 22K posts here.

 

[Napa]

Mcgrath was not a trundler.

Abbas has had a good start. How he does from here remains to be seen.

Sad truth of the matter is he won't be getting this much attention if we were playing WI or SL.

The truth of the matter is that England, Australia and India Tests gain much more global attention. Good on Abbas that he has performed when most eyes are on him.

Performing against a top 4 side will rationally get you more attention than performing against #6 or #8.

Sadly we won't see him bowl to Indian batsmen. I wonder how much of an improvement he would have been over the other Pakistani bowlers who ended up with 2 wickets for 404 runs against the Indians in the Asia Cup in UAE. I know it was different as it was ODIs, but usually batsmen average higher in Tests than ODIs.

Abbas' performance even in this series has been uneven. In the first Test on Day 5 he bowled 16 overs without a wicket, and that was a big part of Australia being able to escape with a draw. This is surprising as at other times of the series, he seemed to be able to get wickets in conditions unhelpful to other pacers.

Don't get me wrong, I think he is the top or at least the top 3 Test bowler. It is a pity we won't get to see how the likes of Pujara, Kohli, Rahane and even Shaw would have handled him.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

You need to cut down on such accusations. Poor quality stuff.

MMHS is a good, quality poster and can have his own opinions on cricketers. Like everyone else. And is veru supportive of PAK cricket - much more knowledge .

He has knowledge. But constantly using slang names and calling players hacks etc is getting grating.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Where was this gem hiding all these years? He is officially 28 years old and Pakistan had been fielding some mediocre quicks for the last few years.

 

[Bewal Express]

He will do well in SA.

I want to see how he does in SC againist better batting line ups or in Australia and NZ.

His lack of pace will hamper him sooner rather than later. Dont know how his bouncer is.

Maybe, but he seems to enjoy the low bounce whereas most fast bowlers see those wickets as death sentences.

 

[Napa]

Where was this gem hiding all these years? He is officially 28 years old and Pakistan had been fielding some mediocre quicks for the last few years.

Apparently his FC average was not great till recently, and his improvement in FC in recent years earned him a spot in the national team.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think Steyn will be proven right. Everything about Abbass shows he will take bundles of wickets. I haven't seen such a skillful bowler since Asif. When you had big hands, strong wrists and the ability to move the ball around just enough even on flatter decks, you dont need pace.

 

[Markhor]

As I said in the match thread, whatever doubts as to whether he could be a threat in UAE conditions operating at his pace have been extinguished. His Asif-esque relentless accuracy, movement, and stump-to-stump bowling combined with bowling INTELLIGENCE (take note Wahab and Rahat) has been most impressive. The challenge is how he adapts to batsmen who will do their homework against him now.

 

[shaaik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Asif "some bowlers are just satisfied at seeing the batsmen ducking and satisfied at seeing the wicket-keeper taking the ball at head height. I suggest they watch Mohammad Abbas and learn from the line and length he bowls" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1053333923000922112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Hasan123]

Great start by him. I hope he can maintain this form for a while. We just need to stay grounded with him. He will have a bad patch , how he comes through that will be the test.

 

[Monsee]

Lol why are people salty about Pakistani fans being excited for Abbas.

Dale Steyn is excited but somehow Pakistan fans are supposed to stay grounded about his performance lol

No surprizes there, when an Indian player even score 10 runs, he can be compared to anyone in the history but we cannot even get excited by seeing a young buck like Babar developing in to a world class bat just because they don't approve of him, yet!

Same for any other Pak player, we need Indian poster approval and some to celebrate their achievements!

 

[Usman Chadda]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Asif "some bowlers are just satisfied at seeing the batsmen ducking and satisfied at seeing the wicket-keeper taking the ball at head height. I suggest they watch Mohammad Abbas and learn from the line and length he bowls" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1053333923000922112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol is this a dig at Muhammad Amir?

 

[Hawkeye]

Lol is this a dig at Muhammad Amir?

Probably Wahab and the general obsession with pace.

But.. pace is pace yaar. Medium pacers with Asif and McGrath skill are rare.

 

[barah_admi]

From debut to now Abbas is almost always in the wickets and to think he has basically had a career of bowling on some of the worst pitches going. Imagine if Pakistan had one or two more tests in England, he may have ended up with 10 more wickets and an average closer to 12.

Just remarkable and unlike some, I've spoken about him for a long time and I'm glad he keeps getting better. Pakistan need two seamers to back him up, I'd pick Hasan Ali and get Amir back in the side. Those 3 plus a spinner or 2 and it may be the best all conditions attack going.

 

[90MPH]

He will do well in SA.

I want to see how he does in SC againist better batting line ups or in Australia and NZ.

His lack of pace will hamper him sooner rather than later. Dont know how his bouncer is.

Pace isn’t a problem because just like Mcgrath and Pollock were bowling similar pace after they were 30 but kept getting wickets because of their accuracy and deadily seam movement.

He only lacks a killer shortball because he doesn’t have the same height but otherwise he’s been phenomenal and as long as he stays fit he will be a top test bowler for Pakistan.

It’s fair to make that judgment now that he has played 10 tests taking 60 wickets under 16. That is just insane record so far so he deserves the applause he’s getting.

 

[QalandarFan]

The Saffer series will be a test but if we get around the 280 mark against them on those wickets, he will be a handful at all times. All we need now is 2 more that complement him.

Yeah I feel like our pace attack for the SA series is going to be deadly, I would go with Abbas, Amir, and Junaid. Hopefully about 3 months off for Amir will have him in the right place when he returns. Junaid has seemed outstanding in the one Asia Cup game he played and that FC match as well. So in my opinion this looks like a great pace trio. Add Faheem to the mix for that 5th bowling option if we want, who showed he can bowl in the England series, and if our batting can get 250+ scores we'll have a real chance of beating the Saffers with that bowling attack.

 

[Hawkeye]

Yeah I feel like our pace attack for the SA series is going to be deadly, I would go with Abbas, Amir, and Junaid. Hopefully about 3 months off for Amir will have him in the right place when he returns. Junaid has seemed outstanding in the one Asia Cup game he played and that FC match as well. So in my opinion this looks like a great pace trio. Add Faheem to the mix for that 5th bowling option if we want, who showed he can bowl in the England series, and if our batting can get 250+ scores we'll have a real chance of beating the Saffers with that bowling attack.

Junnaid is poor.