I thought that 40+ year olds don't have the reflexes to survive in Aussie conditions?

[godzilla]

just goes to show the degree of rubbish that is spouted ad nauseum on these boards sometimes.

younis has proven that a random whimsical age is not a golden divider between the haves and have nots when it comes to batting reflexes.

he may be on the decline, he may be in the process of losing his skills, but its now a black and white fact that an alleged 40+ year old can survive 150kph bowling on aussie pitches.

you can campaign for his ouster from the team because you think he is in decline, not that good or a political player or whatever, but age is now no longer (and never was for anyone with even a little common sense) a reason to eject someone from the team.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Those who said that were proven 100% right.

 

[R0H1T]

Younis isn't 40+ years, those who say he is need to prove their hypothesis!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Younis isn't 40+ years, those who say he is need to prove their hypothesis!

No need to prove. Its common knowledge.

Age fudging is very big in Pakistan.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Younis lately has had a decline.

This decline has started since the English Tour. By than Younis was 42 years 6 months old.


Imran, Misbah & Younis certainly have an edge over others. Even with a Terrible shoulder at 39 the allrounder won a WorldCup as Captain.


I never expected Younis and Misbah to play International Cricket beyong 36 and 37 years of age but now one is 43 abd other is 44. Yes they do work very hard on fitness but genetically they have an edge.


There is a famous joke about Misbah " Karahi Man "

 

[Mamoon]

So much hoopla over a dead rubber hundred on a flat pitch against two spinners. Where was this legend when the series was alive and Pakistan needed him to deliver? He failed in 3 out of 4 innings.

 

[MenInG]

Oh please, this is a slow SCG wicket and a dead rubber, the aussie don't care about Younis now.

The pitches in Australia are so much flatter compared to the 80's and 90's where the wickets were fast and had plenty of bounce, Younis would never have survived in that era on these wickets.

The Aussies care about a whitewash - believe me they care.

 

[Abdullah719]

Sorry, I wasn't aware that it's acceptable for your middle order batsmen to repeatedly fail. The only thing going for Younis is that once he gets going, he goes big more often than not. But is it worth his struggles against any hint of movement? Even while batting on 120+, he was struggling yesterday against the 2nd new ball whenever there was a decent amount of swing.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Younis isn't 40+ years, those who say he is need to prove their hypothesis!

YK has said himself, on many occasions, that he was born in 1975.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Guy ran out poor Azhar from what I hear.

Azhar would probably have notched up another 200 (or 150) with the form he is in.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

YK has said himself, on many occasions, that he was born in 1975.

It's 1973.

 

[Mamoon]

The Aussies care about a whitewash - believe me they care.

And the legend in question helped them greatly in the first two Tests, and also helped NZ where he averaged 4 on green tracks. Not sure why he should be exempt from criticism.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Younis isn't 40+ years, those who say he is need to prove their hypothesis!

No need to prove. Its common knowledge.

Age fudging is very big in Pakistan.

YK has said himself, on many occasions, that he was born in 1975.

It's 1973.

"My father moved to Karachi in 78-79. I was around 5-6 years old at the time. The environment of sports was there in Karachi. There were grounds, people and nets available there. So you can say that Karachi built my personality. And I stand here now, having tried to do some big things for Pakistan."


- See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...hehzad+Akmal+Younis+Khan#sthash.0kjyzxpP.dpuf

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Dead rubbers don't count.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

And the legend in question helped them greatly in the first two Tests, and also helped NZ where he averaged 4 on green tracks. Not sure why he should be exempt from criticism.

Old Man poor reflexes. Poor form.

With No practice match at 43 it's very difficult to adjust on green wickets when u hv a 2 Test series.


He isn't exempted from criticism.

 

[Slog]

So much hoopla over a dead rubber hundred on a flat pitch against two spinners. Where was this legend when the series was alive and Pakistan needed him to deliver? He failed in 3 out of 4 innings.

Most centuries by away batsmen in Aus are scored in losing causes including Kohli

 

[castortroy]

Didn't he score 65 in the first test match?

 

[Markhor]

he wouldnt have survived on the moon either - so what? the issue isnt where he would have or wouldnt have in another age or location. the specific accusation has been a player in the 40s doesnt have the requisite skills to score in australia. he has shown that age has nothing to do with it - its trolling straw man.

its proven now that a decline is not a black and white age issue, its a skill issue. some players will lose their skills at 25, others at 35, others at 45. its just stupid to think one imaginary line applies to everyone in the world.

as for whether the aussies cared or whether its a dead rubber or not is also not the point. the accusation was about ability to score. not about ability to score only in non-dead rubbers, or ability to score when the aussies mysteriously dont care about one player in the whole line up but seemed to care about all the others.

Out of Younis's 34 test hundreds, this was only the second to come in a dead rubber. The other was in the 3rd Test of the 2012 England series. So Younis isn't some dead rubber specialist as some are claiming.

Also its funny how people forget Younis scored his double hundred on what was the liveliest pitch of the whole England tour at The Oval. Sky did the numbers and found that pitch had the most pace and bounce out of all the venues.

 

[aloo paratha]

Saying a dead rubber doesn't count is stupid, it is still part of the series and the Aussies clearly still want to win, everybody in that team wants to improve their personal record and get the team a whitewash. If they didn't care, they would've just forfeit. He scored a decent amount of runs against pacers as well.

 

[Mamoon]

Most centuries by away batsmen in Aus are scored in losing causes including Kohli

That's not the point. The point is that Younis performed after the series was over, i.e. he scored in a dead rubber. When the series was alive and Pakistan needed him more, he failed in 3 out of 4 innings. Kohli scored in Australia from the first innings of the first match.

 

[sam_ahm]

Younus has surprised me, has shut the mouth of critics like me.

Respect for him, quite obviously one of those instances when you love to be proved wrong.

 

[Mamoon]

Saying a dead rubber doesn't count is stupid, it is still part of the series and the Aussies clearly still want to win, everybody in that team wants to improve their personal record and get the team a whitewash. If they didn't care, they would've just forfeit. He scored a decent amount of runs against pacers as well.

It is part of the series, but I am sorry some of us can't jump up and down because at the end of the day, the series is already lost. It's over. When it was alive, Younis failed in all but one innings. That's why this knock is meaningless in the long run.

At least in England, his innings helped us draw the series, although his clownish batting in the first 3 Tests was the major reason why we didn't win the series.

 

[street cricketer]

You're kinda vindicating the point.

 

[sarthak]

Not sure what is the point. Doesn't seem like 40 year olds have the reflexes to survive when it's most required.

 

[New Yorker]

So much hoopla over a dead rubber hundred on a flat pitch against two spinners. Where was this legend when the series was alive and Pakistan needed him to deliver? He failed in 3 out of 4 innings.

2 out of 4. Otherwise 65 and 139*

 

[New Yorker]

It is part of the series, but I am sorry some of us can't jump up and down because at the end of the day, the series is already lost. It's over. When it was alive, Younis failed in all but one innings. That's why this knock is meaningless in the long run.

At least in England, his innings helped us draw the series, although his clownish batting in the first 3 Tests was the major reason why we didn't win the series.

I think that is what they call chutzpah. 'The' major reason eh?

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Sorry, I wasn't aware that it's acceptable for your middle order batsmen to repeatedly fail. The only thing going for Younis is that once he gets going, he goes big more often than not. But is it worth his struggles against any hint of movement? Even while batting on 120+, he was struggling yesterday against the 2nd new ball whenever there was a decent amount of swing.

True but our new stars Babar Azam & Sami Aslam have shown no performance whatsoever. And the Asad Shafiq is not consistent. Azhar Ali has been the only consistent performer. However Pakistan lost the series due to a very toothless bowling performance. Their main strike bowler Yasir Shah, who was going to decide this series. failed miserably and the hyped pace attack never once dominated the Aussies. In Past at least we had sessions where Pakistan Dominated with the ball. But this series not a single bowling session went for Pakistan. You Can never win if Opposition keeps scoring 550+ every time.

 

[Rayyman]

On a flat pitch when the series is lost. Where was he when we needed him in the last 4 matches?

 

[Bilal7]

Younis has been leaving these guys with pie in the face for quite some time now. Would love for him to get 60 more runs today and notch up a double in Australia.

Younis Khan can keep playing for as long as he likes. The grinches over here should give cricket a break if they don't like this reality. Although personally, I want Khan to call it a day very soon playing against a minnow team at the Gaddafi Stadium. Misbah too.

 

[Bilal7]

On a flat pitch when the series is lost. Where was he when we needed him in the last 4 matches?

You don't need him in this match? Or are you being totally unreasonable right now?

 

[Rayyman]

You don't need him in this match? Or are you being totally unreasonable right now?

We already lost the series. Didn't perform at all at Gabba or MCG. Largely contributed to our collapses.

 

[Haroon786]

2 out of 4. Otherwise 65 and 139*

Nope, he failed in 3 out of the 4 innings in the first 2 Tests in the series.

 

[Rayyman]

Nope, he failed in 3 out of the 4 innings in the first 2 Tests in the series.

That 65 would be useful chasing 280. Not 480.

 

[New Yorker]

Nope, he failed in 3 out of the 4 innings in the first 2 Tests in the series.

We have different standards of what constitutes failure. 65 in a 4th innings ain't it in my book. But I'll hold you to that standard in future debates....

 

[Rayyman]

Younis has been leaving these guys with pie in the face for quite some time now. Would love for him to get 60 more runs today and notch up a double in Australia.

Younis Khan can keep playing for as long as he likes. The grinches over here should give cricket a break if they don't like this reality. Although personally, I want Khan to call it a day very soon playing against a minnow team at the Gaddafi Stadium. Misbah too.

Sorry, but life isn't a fairy tale. If you're terrible at cricket, suck it up and move on. No point in living on past performances.

 

[Haroon786]

We have different standards of what constitutes failure. 65 in a 4th innings ain't it in my book. But I'll hold you to that standard in future debates....

I count the 65 as a successful innings, it is the 0, 21 and 24 that YK scored at Brisbane and Melbourne I and any reasonable observer should consider failures.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...s=1;template=results;type=allround;view=match

 

[Haroon786]

That 65 would be useful chasing 280. Not 480.

I know it was ultimately in vain but it cannot be considered a failure.

 

[Bilal7]

We already lost the series. Didn't perform at all at Gabba or MCG. Largely contributed to our collapses.

He made a good contribution in the impossible chase on the most difficult track we've batted on.

We lost the series but the only reason we haven't lost this match as well is because of Younis. Considering we haven't won a single match in Australia or even drawn one in an eternity, your criticism is misplaced and unjustified. Criticize Misbah and Babar for being useless throughout, not a guy who's been your second best batsman.

 

[Rayyman]

He made a good contribution in the impossible chase on the most difficult track we've batted on.

We lost the series but the only reason we haven't lost this match as well is because of Younis. Considering we haven't won a single match in Australia or even drawn one in an eternity, your criticism is misplaced and unjustified. Criticize Misbah and Babar for being useless throughout, not a guy who's been your second best batsman.

I trust the senior batsman to perform when the pressure is at its highest. He didn't do that. Yes he deserves credit for this innings, but also criticism for the failures.

 

[WC-Passion]

He's done well this innings but it's completely worthless and he didn't step up when we needed him in the games that weren't dead rubbers. He failed in NZ too and now he's failed again in Australia.

 

[Bilal7]

I trust the senior batsman to perform when the pressure is at its highest. He didn't do that. Yes he deserves credit for this innings, but also criticism for the failures.

That's more like it. Give credit where it's due.

 

[troodon]

The pitch was super flat.

Even the Aussie 20 year olds made centuries.

YK is experienced and the pitch was perfect for him. With no Bird, its pretty much 2 spinners and an occasional Starc and Hazlewood.

 

[Bilal7]

He's done well this innings but it's completely worthless and he didn't step up when we needed him in the games that weren't dead rubbers. He failed in NZ too and now he's failed again in Australia.

No test match is worthless. Especially in a country where we have been whitewashed several times.

 

[WC-Passion]

No test match is worthless. Especially in a country where we have been whitewashed several times.

Not the test match as such, obviously I'm sure every Pakistani fan (including me) would be very happy to win in Australia, it's a big achievement and would create history. What I'm trying to say is that he's not done anything special here, he's played against 2 spinners on a flat pitch, while also running out our most in-form batsmen.

It's not Younis' fault completely that we didn't win a match, the bowling has been dull and has had no sting to it whatsoever, but he's been poor when not given a flat track outside of the UAE in recent times, and once again, he's been a passenger, very similar to the NZ tour.

 

[Bilal7]

Not the test match as such, obviously I'm sure every Pakistani fan (including me) would be very happy to win in Australia, it's a big achievement and would create history. What I'm trying to say is that he's not done anything special here, he's played against 2 spinners on a flat pitch, while also running out our most in-form batsmen.

It's not Younis' fault completely that we didn't win a match, the bowling has been dull and has had no sting to it whatsoever, but he's been poor when not given a flat track outside of the UAE in recent times, and once again, he's been a passenger, very similar to the NZ tour.

Stop lying. He's scored most of his boundaries against Starc and Australia picked two spinners because they would be more effective on this track than Bird. Azhar ran out Azhar. The single was on but Ali was ball watching.

Also, do tell me why Babar, Misbah nor Shafiq did not score an ordinary, run of the mill century in this match?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

"My father moved to Karachi in 78-79. I was around 5-6 years old at the time. The environment of sports was there in Karachi. There were grounds, people and nets available there. So you can say that Karachi built my personality. And I stand here now, having tried to do some big things for Pakistan."


- See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...hehzad+Akmal+Younis+Khan#sthash.0kjyzxpP.dpuf

Oh okay thanks.

That would make him the oldest test centurion for 82 years and the 4th oldest ever.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/282994.html

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I am honestly surprised that even the 10% of PPers see a positive in this Yoni century.

Its not that this knock is bad...but its a completely meaningless knock in the context of the series. team is beaten down, morale is down, Aus have piled on the runs, everyone wants to move on and now he scores a century.

Means nothing.

Kinda like Tendulkar 91 in the 4th test final innings in England 2011.

No one cared about that. Maybe if he had got 100, people would have cared cos it was the 100th 100 but apart from that, no one gave 2 hoots about that knock.

 

[Haroon786]

I am honestly surprised that even the 10% of PPers see a positive in this Yoni century.

Its not that this knock is bad...but its a completely meaningless knock in the context of the series. team is beaten down, morale is down, Aus have piled on the runs, everyone wants to move on and now he scores a century.

Means nothing.

Kinda like Tendulkar 91 in the 4th test final innings in England 2011.

No one cared about that. Maybe if he had got 100, people would have cared cos it was the 100th 100 but apart from that, no one gave 2 hoots about that knock.

The 10% are what you call fan boys, they do not care whether the team is winning or losing, just that as long as their idol performs then all is fine and they can go back to defending him blindly.

YK has been dreadful since Sharjah and this meaningless ton will do nothing to dispel the fact that he has been exposed outside Asia in the last 3 series.

 

[Junaids]

just goes to show the degree of rubbish that is spouted ad nauseum on these boards sometimes.

younis has proven that a random whimsical age is not a golden divider between the haves and have nots when it comes to batting reflexes.

he may be on the decline, he may be in the process of losing his skills, but its now a black and white fact that an alleged 40+ year old can survive 150kph bowling on aussie pitches.

you can campaign for his ouster from the team because you think he is in decline, not that good or a political player or whatever, but age is now no longer (and never was for anyone with even a little common sense) a reason to eject someone from the team.

1. On this tour Younis has had 1 fifty, 1 century, 1 mediocre score and 6 failures at key moments.

2. All three wickets have been very slow by Aussie standards.

3. The Brisbane pitch had 2 mm of grass - the shortest ever seen in 3 Pink Ball Tests Down Under.

4. The Sydney and Melbourne pitches had 0.5 mm of grass.

5. Starc and Hazlewood are in the last of 6 Tests in 7 weeks in a four man attack, and there is no third quick in this match.

 

[WC-Passion]

Stop lying. He's scored most of his boundaries against Starc and Australia picked two spinners because they would be more effective on this track than Bird. Azhar ran out Azhar. The single was on but Ali was ball watching.

Also, do tell me why Babar, Misbah nor Shafiq did not score an ordinary, run of the mill century in this match?

I'm not lying, he scored more runs against Lyon then he did against Starc and the pitch was truly flat. About Azhar's wicket, it's true that he was at fault too, but Younis also hesitated in his running and it just caused more confusion.

Misbah has had arguably one of his worst away tours ever, if you look at his captaincy and batting, you can see he doesn't want to play anymore and he wanted to retire after the England series, didn't really expect anything due to that reason, but he's been poor and should be held responsible either way, as in the end he did decide to carried on. I think the slog sweep he played to get out showed it all.

Shafiq's mentality and small heart is the reason, not because of his ability or his reflexes. He's a player who can do it, and shows that by getting a century nearly every tour in important games, but after that can't replicate his performances. Like I said, it's not just Younis' fault that we haven't won this series, other are at fault too, but he hasn't done very well himself barring this innings in a dead rubber.

Babar on the other hand shouldn't be compared to Younis, but yes I do admit he's been disappointing and didn't score a century, despite him being called "one of the best young batsmen in Pakistan".

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The 10% are what you call fan boys, they do not care whether the team is winning or losing, just that as long as their idol performs then all is fine and they can go back to defending him blindly.

YK has been dreadful since Sharjah and this meaningless ton will do nothing to dispel the fact that he has been exposed outside Asia in the last 3 series.

And they say he is better than Dravid. lmao.

I would have understood it before Younis toured Eng, NZ and Aus this year where you could say "let's see, if he does well in these places, maybe he is up there...worth a debate".

But he didn't.

He was utterly woeful.

If he wanted to be among the legends, he shouldn't have skipped those overseas tours 5-6 years back and proven himself. He missed out the chances. Missed out now.

Someone like Dravid used to average 58 after similar number of tests. Used to average 50+ away from home in the 90s era. Scored 3 100s in England against an attack that was unarguably way better than the one Yoni Bhai faced.

Either they terribly over-rate Yoni or they terribly under-rate Dravid.

Yoni's overseas performances have been disappointing. This guy has managed to create an entire career with pretty stats hiding his flaws. Even today, heard he was scratching around when the new ball did stuff.

Amazing clutch player no doubt. I wish people have his determination and grit. Great player of spin. Amazing FTB too.

But ATG he is not.

 

[shaz619]

Out of Younis's 34 test hundreds, this was only the second to come in a dead rubber. The other was in the 3rd Test of the 2012 England series. So Younis isn't some dead rubber specialist as some are claiming.

Also its funny how people forget Younis scored his double hundred on what was the liveliest pitch of the whole England tour at The Oval. Sky did the numbers and found that pitch had the most pace and bounceout of all the venues.

Yes, it had the highest pace and bounce rating out of all the wickets in England. Fans are not objective in their assessment of Khan because of their false sense of righteousness regarding his character so resort to bigotry it is funny because they are everything they hate, they also enjoy sucking up to those who make fun of him with disingenuous rubbish like 'UAE Khan', others just haven't quiet grasped cricket and do not study/understand history so form inept opinions and finally you have those who will refuse to put up their hand and admit they were wrong because it's better to be an ego maniac with a weird virtual pride.

 

[Haroon786]

Stop lying. He's scored most of his boundaries against Starc and Australia picked two spinners because they would be more effective on this track than Bird. Azhar ran out Azhar. The single was on but Ali was ball watching.

Also, do tell me why Babar, Misbah nor Shafiq did not score an ordinary, run of the mill century in this match?

YK scored more boundaries vs spin than he did vs Starc.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Oh okay thanks.

That would make him the oldest test centurion for 82 years and the 4th oldest ever.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/282994.html

And 20 Test hundreds and 12 fifties after the age of 35 at an Average of 58.50.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Still one of the top 3 or top 5 Pak bats cos in the end, he did produce the runs and gave Pakistan so many wins.

His knock in the decider test in SL was incredible on so many levels.

Just doesn't have the game for tough pitches in outside Asia or against high quality pacers of yesteryear.

 

[Haroon786]

And they say he is better than Dravid. lmao.

I would have understood it before Younis toured Eng, NZ and Aus this year where you could say "let's see, if he does well in these places, maybe he is up there...worth a debate".

But he didn't.

He was utterly woeful.

If he wanted to be among the legends, he shouldn't have skipped those overseas tours 5-6 years back and proven himself. He missed out the chances. Missed out now.

Someone like Dravid used to average 58 after similar number of tests. Used to average 50+ away from home in the 90s era. Scored 3 100s in England against an attack that was unarguably way better than the one Yoni Bhai faced.

Either they terribly over-rate Yoni or they terribly under-rate Dravid.

Yoni's overseas performances have been disappointing. This guy has managed to create an entire career with pretty stats hiding his flaws. Even today, heard he was scratching around when the new ball did stuff.

Amazing clutch player no doubt. I wish people have his determination and grit. Great player of spin. Amazing FTB too.

But ATG he is not.

Dravid is definitely better IMO, performed in all conditions for a much longer period.

To be an ATG, you need to have great performances and series in nearly all major countries and quite frankly YK has been underwhelming away from home statistically to be anointed as an ATG, he's a bonafide country great and a top 5 Pakistani AT batsman, but he has never really been able to dominate against pace consistently outside the SC.

From an aesthetics point of view he is also very underwhelming - for an ATG batsman, you expect the batsman to be technically correct, solid, composed and most importantly know that they'll be able to play the same style anywhere in the world. You cannot expect to boss around spinners all the time outside Asia - the litmus test for ATGness for Asian batsmen.

Having said that - had he performed and not cost us a series win in England, a series loss in NZ and a match loss at Melbourne I would have regarded him as an ATG.

 

[Junaids]

Chappelli just made the comment "it took Younis 7 innings to get going in England and it has taken 9 on this tour. Perhaps it takes longer at his age."

He has also observed that Misbah seems to want to hit the spinners early to try to get rid of the close fielders.

 

[Haroon786]

Chappelli just made the comment "it took Younis 7 innings to get going in England and it has taken 9 on this tour. Perhaps it takes longer at his age."

He has also observed that Misbah seems to want to hit the spinners early to try to get rid of the close fielders.

He didn't get going at all in NZ.

5th innings and he performs when all is gone.

 

[Junaids]

Overall as a batsman I do think that Younis Khan is the Pakistan GOAT.

Hanif also had a long decline according to my Dad.

And while I watched both Javed Miandad and Zaheer Abbas bat magnificently in the 70's (and 80's in Javed's case), I saw Zaheer bat like a tailender outside Asia from 1981 and I also watched Javed scratch around horribly after 1987-88.

I have no doubt that Younis Khan was better than both.

The problem is that now he turns it on once per away series. And the numerous failures put the team in trouble.

 

[Hasan123]

And they say he is better than Dravid. lmao.

I would have understood it before Younis toured Eng, NZ and Aus this year where you could say "let's see, if he does well in these places, maybe he is up there...worth a debate".

But he didn't.

He was utterly woeful.

If he wanted to be among the legends, he shouldn't have skipped those overseas tours 5-6 years back and proven himself. He missed out the chances. Missed out now.

Someone like Dravid used to average 58 after similar number of tests. Used to average 50+ away from home in the 90s era. Scored 3 100s in England against an attack that was unarguably way better than the one Yoni Bhai faced.

Either they terribly over-rate Yoni or they terribly under-rate Dravid.

Yoni's overseas performances have been disappointing. This guy has managed to create an entire career with pretty stats hiding his flaws. Even today, heard he was scratching around when the new ball did stuff.

Amazing clutch player no doubt. I wish people have his determination and grit. Great player of spin. Amazing FTB too.

But ATG he is not.

Dravid is easily better than Younis lol. Btw Younis has been rubbish vs lateral movement and on quicker pitches he would have struggled even a few years on those tours he skipped.

 

[Hasan123]

His fans can dance and hope around over this innings but the fact is Junaids and many other posters have been proved that Younis would struggle on these overseas tours.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

People love to bash YK for his performance on this tour.

He has had a poor tour until this innings, no doubt.

But let's be clear....there have been 3 other top order batsmen who have performed way worse than him - even before this innings. They are Sami, Babar, and Misbah. I'm not sure but they probably have made less runs combined than YK even before this innings. And if not, they have scored a fraction of what he has scored if you include this innings. They are the ones who have caused the major damage.

If you want to blame anyone, blame them. They have performed horrendously.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

And by the way, Shafiq has not led the way either. Apart from the first test in a losing cause, he's done nothing of note. He's been a real disappointment for this stage of his career.

Point is, get off one of our real matchwinner's back and start looking at all the other players who have performed much worse.

You want to blame yk for being too old? then what excuse is there for the young guys that have been awful? They're too young?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I think the issue is not his performing or performing.

He duly deserves credit for his runs as any batsmen does.

The issue is when people take a dead rubber century and use it to elevate him to higher than Dravid or use it to try to establish his ATG status.

If anything, the entire England, NZ and Australia tours showed he is ANYTHING but ATG.

Respect the knock.

Respect the man.

Don't disrespect ATG batsmen.

 

[godzilla]

1. On this tour Younis has had 1 fifty, 1 century, 1 mediocre score and 6 failures at key moments.

2. All three wickets have been very slow by Aussie standards.

3. The Brisbane pitch had 2 mm of grass - the shortest ever seen in 3 Pink Ball Tests Down Under.

4. The Sydney and Melbourne pitches had 0.5 mm of grass.

5. Starc and Hazlewood are in the last of 6 Tests in 7 weeks in a four man attack, and there is no third quick in this match.

obvioulsy avoiding the op as expected - nothing you have written contravenes the FACT that a 40+ year old can have the reflexes to succeed on aussie pitches.

of the totally unrelated random things youve for some reason decided to enumerate:

1. younis is the second highest run scorer for pakistan, and the second highest average amongst the batters after azhar. everyone has failed at key moments, and with the exception of azhar, EVERYONE else has failed far more often than younis, including the magical yuongsters who because of their young age seem still not to have the reflexes or skills to negotiate aussie pitches.

2. the sky is blue and the grass is green. so what? he scored. he is above 40. he is in australia. = a 40 year old has proven to have the skills and reflexes to play on aussie pitches, something you have been utterly utterly wrong about on the eight billions times youve spattered it all over these boards.

3. the elephant is an animal that is usually grey. he scored. he is above 40. he is in australia. = a 40 year old has proven to have the skills and reflexes to play on aussie pitches.

4. whats was on the menu that day? he scored. he is above 40. he is in australia. = a 40 year old has proven to have the skills and reflexes to play on aussie pitches

5. does this mean that a 40+ year old didnt score in australia? no it doesnt.

usual non-sequitur rubbish.

 

[godzilla]

incidentally 6 failures? in 5 innings? unless - would you stoop that low to make this point - are you including the solitary practice match in your number of failures? wow.

and your darling babar is averaging less than 12 in australia. if i had removed the word 'babar' and put someone elses name in there, that would have been enough statistical evidence for you to have dropped him.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

The amount of hate Pakistani Players get on a Pakistani forum is just worthy to be honest. Sometimes it just feels like I am reading a social media blog or some FB comments on our players that was written by people from across the border.

Heck even if they would write more measured pieces and it would be a 40-60 split on for and against. On many occasions here it seems as if our very own people want our cricket team to be stripped off their test status and demoted to minnow category.

 

[Mamoon]

2 out of 4. Otherwise 65 and 139*

I'm talking about the first 2 Tests. He failed in all but one innings, which translates to 3 failures out of 4. It is very, very simple math.

 

[Mamoon]

I think that is what they call chutzpah. 'The' major reason eh?

Yes the 'major reason'. For someone who is hailed as Pakistan's greatest ever batsman, his rubbish performances in the first 3 Tests was the 'major' reason why Pakistan were 2-1 down heading into the fourth Test.

One big innings at Old Trafford or Edgbaston, especially in the fourth innings at Edgbaston (and he is hailed as a fourth innings champion) could have saved the game and won us the series.

He was also a complete joke in NZ on green pitches and a decent contribution, especially in the second Test, could have won/save us the game.

 

[Mamoon]

To sum up this thread:

Few people are getting their knickers in a twist and foaming in their mouths because some people are not bending backwards to appreciate his dead rubber effort.

Where was this innings when the series was alive? Why couldn't he do it at the Gabba or the MCG?

Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, this innings belongs in the garbage. I can't give two hoots to a dead rubber effort.

 

[Slog]

Chappelli just made the comment "it took Younis 7 innings to get going in England and it has taken 9 on this tour. Perhaps it takes longer at his age."

He has also observed that Misbah seems to want to hit the spinners early to try to get rid of the close fielders.

Chappell is just a bitter guy who has no life

The guy has been involved in cricket for almost 50 years. Get a life man and retire!

 

[waleed88]

So much hoopla over a dead rubber hundred on a flat pitch against two spinners. Where was this legend when the series was alive and Pakistan needed him to deliver? He failed in 3 out of 4 innings.

Dead rubber? Every match played for your country is an honor and privelege for every player. If you doubt that then look at the way Warner celebrated his 100 before lunch, or what it meant to Renshaw who reached there. Its a competitive match on one of the toughest places to score and everyone should admire him for that.

Or the way Hazelwood celebrated getting Pakistan all out.

 

[waleed88]

Any player worth his salt will tell you no match is ever a dead rubber. There is plenty of pride restored even if you win this game

 

[Slog]

To sum up this thread:

Few people are getting their knickers in a twist and foaming in their mouths because some people are not bending backwards to appreciate his dead rubber effort.

Where was this innings when the series was alive? Why couldn't he do it at the Gabba or the MCG?

Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, this innings belongs in the garbage. I can't give two hoots to a dead rubber effort.

Would you say same for Kohlis first hundred in Aus and then Sydney one in 2014?

 

[LastManstanding]

Would you say same for Kohlis first hundred in Aus and then Sydney one in 2014?

The difference is Kohli scored throughout the series in 2014, not just in Sydney test. And though his hundred didn't result in win, he helped India draw the match.

 

[JaDed]

Would you say same for Kohlis first hundred in Aus and then Sydney one in 2014?

It could be bias but anyhow let me try:

Kohli's first 100 in Aus might had come at a point when series was over but his career wasn't,it was his first tour and he was learning and many people just wanted to see whether does he even have the capability to perform.
For example if YK's knock today was scored by Babar it would had got much more appreciation atleast from neutral fans not that one specific fan,but neutral yes because it would give him confidence going into future series as well.

Kohli's Sydney 100 is least talked about ,don't think you would see anyone mention it as much as his Adelaide ones because those mattered.

 

[waleed88]

It could be bias but anyhow let me try:

Kohli's first 100 in Aus might had come at a point when series was over but his career wasn't,it was his first tour and he was learning and many people just wanted to see whether does he even have the capability to perform.
For example if YK's knock today was scored by Babar it would had got much more appreciation atleast from neutral fans not that one specific fan,but neutral yes because it would give him confidence going into future series as well.

Kohli's Sydney 100 is least talked about ,don't think you would see anyone mention it as much as his Adelaide ones because those mattered.

Least talked about? Well its because people mention them together... they say Kohli scored two hundred in Australia..

They don't say he scored one spectacular 100, and the other one was a dead rubber 100...

 

[JaDed]

Least talked about? Well its because people mention them together... they say Kohli scored two hundred in Australia..

They don't say he scored one spectacular 100, and the other one was a dead rubber 100...

No the 2 100's they are talking about are the ones in first test match in both innings, not to forget ppl hardly mention the ones in Melbourne as well ,mate he had 4 tons there.

 

[miandadrules]

This century is merely a tick box exercise for YK, nothing more.

However, if he can somehow save this match considering the 12 match losing streak we're on, it could put a totally different spin on his series.

But that's asking a lot.

 

[Slog]

It could be bias but anyhow let me try:

Kohli's first 100 in Aus might had come at a point when series was over but his career wasn't,it was his first tour and he was learning and many people just wanted to see whether does he even have the capability to perform.
For example if YK's knock today was scored by Babar it would had got much more appreciation atleast from neutral fans not that one specific fan,but neutral yes because it would give him confidence going into future series as well.

Kohli's Sydney 100 is least talked about ,don't think you would see anyone mention it as much as his Adelaide ones because those mattered.

Nice explanation and Atleast some logic rather than nationality dictating the opinion as in mamoona case

I still think that if we draw this match then it will be a cherished hundred. We are on a long losing streak in Oz so if it's helps breaking that then it's worth its weight in gold