"I want to learn the ball Mohammad Asif bowls'' : James Anderson

[Bouncer]

Asif is Genius

i dont care what he does off the field thats his personal stuff.

im only talking about asif the cricketer.

I, too am talking about ASIF the cricketer. Look at athe attached Picture and tell me where in my above post I mentioned drugs, Veena Malik and other examples of Asif's life or I just made a comment about what asif did it in ground, while being given the highest honor in the country of representing your nation.

You along with 95 % of PP'ers are classic example of stockholm syndrome.

 

[alberto]

possessing swing is an exceptional ability but there is no substitute for asif's immaculate control over his gift. asif was a magician even on flat tracks.you just had to watch his opening spell. many thought him and aamir were the saviour of test cricket's bowling.it is not the same knowing these 2 are missing in pakistan's attack and you think what could have been

 

[PakPrince]

the special thing about him is that he has this amazing test average despite having atleast 10 catches dropped off his bowling by the keeper or the slips almost every series he played!


And this isnt the first time Anderson has really praised or admired Asif. Even during the Ashes this year he said the same thing about Asif and was full of praises for him.

Though I will always remember when Anderson said during the course of the interview that ' Asif was a great bowler.'

Thats when I finally gave up the hope of watching Asif bowl in a n intl match ever again

 

[Cricfan4eva]

the special thing about him is that he has this amazing test average despite having atleast 10 catches dropped off his bowling by the keeper or the slips almost every series he played!

Lol you're talking as if Asif was the only bowler off whom catches have been dropped.

 

[duostyle]

Lol you're talking as if Asif was the only bowler off whom catches have been dropped.

Ah... only if Kami was born in India. You'd understand.

 

[Sledger]

Some funny posts here.

Yes, the seaming track bully that is Asif managed to average 24 on the helpful, evergreen pitches in Pakistan during his FC career.

He averages 22 in his international career in Asia and has an average of under 11 (no typo) in Sri Lanka. Furthermore, he went through India like a knife through butter twice on a flat Karachi pitch and had done it again previously to England in a tour game at Lahore when he took an 11 wicket haul, which included all their main test bats. Another wicket which didn't offer much help as his team won chasing 250 comfortably in the final innings.

 

[Cricket_MN]

I can't get it, why he averaged 30+ if he was an artist or so good in England?

Thats another proof why records don't tell the whole story.

whats that famous mark twain phrase lies, damn lies, and ..........

 

[Dann]

Asif was cunning, devious, and outwitted the batsman. Bowlers cannot outwit batsman these days. He used to set up batsman and they couldn't even see it coming, yet the viewer could.

He could bowl 85 mph + and usually did on the flat decks, then when the supporting seaming decks came he lowered his speed to 77-79 mph and was even deadlier.

pace pe pace' pace pe pace. He was the only Pakistani bowler I knew who didn't need the pace, he had the brains.

Too bad for him, too bad for Pakistan and too bad for cricket.

 

[Saj]

Asif on the field was an artist.

A very intelligent bowler and someone who bowlers could have watched and played alongside and learnt from.

However it wasn't meant to be......

 

[Pak_Spin]

but the last series he played in England, he averaged over 30. Even Tim Bresnan is doing better than him

No doubt he bowled some real gems then and there, wasn't consistent though. But he's being made to seem like a legend in PP. )

better than all ur bowlers

 

[shahrukh619]

but the last series he played in England, he averaged over 30. Even Tim Bresnan is doing better than him

No doubt he bowled some real gems then and there, wasn't consistent though. But he's being made to seem like a legend in PP. )

Atleast Asif wasn't scoring bowling centuries like those indian Phast bowlers.

Asif was a good bowler, but he ruined his own career by geting in to conterversies.

 

[Black Zero]

Asif was an artist...
of high caliber

 

[Sanchez]

For everyone saying Asif only averaged 30 with the ball in ENG same goes for Dale Steyn Different standards for different bowlers I guess.......

 

[saamry]

Asif

I thought i would never enjoy a medium pace bowler, but Asif was one of my fav bowlers to watch during a test match.

You can almost see him working a batsman out and then getting the batsman out.


It is a big shame to what happened; however, it would be great if someone picks up his techniques.

Not sure, how possible it is , but Asif should at least try to teach his technique to bowlers in Pak (but then again who would let him get inside a ground anymore?)

what a shame for cricket

 

[akheR]

I thought i would never enjoy a medium pace bowler, but Asif was one of my fav bowlers to watch during a test match.

You can almost see him working a batsman out and then getting the batsman out.


It is a big shame to what happened; however, it would be great if someone picks up his techniques.

Not sure, how possible it is , but Asif should at least try to teach his technique to bowlers in Pak (but then again who would let him get inside a ground anymore?)

what a shame for cricket

Adil Raza, who played the 2008 U19 World Cup (sharing the new ball with Mohammad Amir!), and who was himself compared to Mohammed Asif for his bowling style, learned from him at the time :

Keeping pace with tradition

Evidently he did not take long to understand the conditions at the Kinrara, for he induced an edge from the left-handed Phillip Hughes with his third ball and trapped Marcus Stoinis lbw with his sixth. Both deliveries were sharp offcutters, which Raza calls his "main ball", one that he learnt from Mohammad Asif during a three-month stint at the National Cricket Academy in Pakistan.

Demonstrating his technique for the delivery, Raza says that the secret of the incutter is getting the wrist position right, and one can't help but notice the ring finger on his right hand is oddly shaped. The portion after the DIP joint (the joint closest to the fingertip) is almost at a right-angle to the rest of the finger.

Would love to know where Adil Raza stands nowadays by the way.

 

[ads101]

For everyone saying Asif only averaged 30 with the ball in ENG same goes for Dale Steyn Different standards for different bowlers I guess.......

Thing is he didn't average 30 he averaged 28 which was good.

Plus in my opinion he seemed a little unlucky with picking wickets that tour. Still 28 is decent.

 

[Sanchez]

Thing is he didn't average 30 he averaged 28 which was good.

Plus in my opinion he seemed a little unlucky with picking wickets that tour. Still 28 is decent.

Number of catches Pakistani fielders dropped that series was unbelievable. Must have broken some kind of record tbh.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

It was as if Asif had the ball ona string and would pull it one or another at will....

sometimes you would just have to smile when he working a batsman over.....

Such a shame....

 

[cricfan4ever]

Asif averages 28 in England. Dropped catches aside, it isn't easy to run in and take wickets at 18s when your batsmen last a couple of sessions and you're used as a 7-8 over workhorse by your captain. The highly praised James Anderson only averages a run less in England btw.

well said!

 

[cricfan4ever]

Amir was already a more dangerous bowler than Asif ever was by the time they got banned.

Asif could produce some unplayable deliveries and testing spells, but I remember at times he looked our least threatening bowler last summer. As the ball got a bit older, he was pretty anonymous.

People are hyping Asif too much. I believe it has something to do with most our pakistanis having some sort of educational light bulb going off in their head that they will seem "smarter" and more "enlightened" if they praise a bowler who has no pace.

Asif was a good bowler, a very good bowler - but once in a generation? One in a million? Pure magician? Please give me a break.

Asif eventually would have had a torrid time on flat pitches.

Amir was the bowler who had the potential to take everything out of the equation.

If Asif could carry around the english pitches with him, yes then he would be a constant threat, but as it was - he would have eventually been pounded on flat decks.

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Game set and match!

 

[cricfan4ever]

there is no doubt, Asif was by far my most favorite bowler of last decade!!! Amir would've eventually surpassed him but Asif was the master and Amir his apprentice...one of the main reasons behind Amir's fast progress was playing alongside a genius like Asif...

I am still heart broken that we have lost both of them! more so Asif as I doubt we'll unearth such a bowler again given our obsession with phaast bowling talent...the late Woolmer had found us a gem and he ruined himself...I'm sure if the great Bob was alive today, he'd be heartbroken too!

 

[cricfan4ever]

and the one home series vs SA in 2007 some have mentioned, well Asif was not at full strength, was playing through injury...and even if he didn't do so well in one series, what's the big deal??? every great bowler has had bad series! his overall average in Asia is still 22!!! that should end all doubts about him not being to perform on flat pans!

 

[Rana]

Mr Money was a legend never to be!

 

[KingKhanWC]

He had a rare skill of seaming the ball in both directions with the same shape, landing on the same line and length. It was just a matter of time before the batsmen was either bowled, LBW or caught not knowing what the ball was going to do. Maybe Asif himself never had a clue what the ball was going to do after pitching. Once in a lifetime bowler, you won't see another Asif.

 

[Looney]

Just watch that over he bowled to KP

how he set him up and got out

his accuracy and how he teases the batsmen with it is amazing . huge loss for Pakistan , his ban

 

[cricfan4ever]

Just watch that over he bowled to KP

how he set him up and got out

his accuracy and how he teases the batsmen with it is amazing . huge loss for Pakistan , his ban

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oh Asif why???

 

[Buffet]

He had a rare skill of seaming the ball in both directions with the same shape, landing on the same line and length. It was just a matter of time before the batsmen was either bowled, LBW or caught not knowing what the ball was going to do. Maybe Asif himself never had a clue what the ball was going to do after pitching. Once in a lifetime bowler, you won't see another Asif.

I am not so sure about the bold statement. I think once in a lifetime players are remembered by nuetral fans long after they stop playing. He was very good bowler and was more effective in helpful conditions, even though he had few good performances in unhelpful conditions also.

I would love to watch him in swinging conditions any day but I am not so sure about him being once a generation player. May be him getting involved in all controversies creates a bias here but I think he did not play long enough to be remembered as once in a generation player. Just my opinion though.

 

[Phool]

Asif was given so many chances but he never learnt anything from it.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Why oh why!

such a fool!

he toyed with batsmen.

What a cricket brain.... but what a fool otherwise!

 

[Ironcat]

OP: A statement about Asif

Posts 2 to 25: Maybe, maybe not, attack on/praise about the player making the statement

Posts 26 to 50: Videos, wrist positions, both-ways movement

Posts 51 to 75: Average, vs Indian bowlers, vs Steyn, vs fifth elements

Posts 76 to 100: See posts 51 to 75

Posts 101 to 125: Oh you fool - look what you have done

Story of the life of Asif's threads...

 

[cricfan4ever]

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[Warfare]

Probably the most cunning bowler I've ever seen. The way he played with batsman was a joy to watch, they didn't know what hit them.

I don't know if we'll ever see anyone like Asif again. And no, Anderson is simply not good enough to learn the arts of Asif. Such a huge waste of talent.

Sigh, imagine what could have been

 

[Saqs]

Didn't Jimmy get Sehwag with that very scrambled seam delivery yesterday?

 

[Poison]

Forget the over he bowled to KP, the over he bowled to Amla/Gibbs etc ... the way he made Ricky Ponting look like a school kid at Headingley last year was probably the best he's ever bowled. The whole Australian team had no idea.

 

[Ryankhan]

Well Asif ruined his life, what a bowler he was loved his seam bowling along wid amir, but they did mistake n now they r paying for it as for anderson he got lucky by learning the art that asif invented i think.

 

[cricfan4ever]

Forget the over he bowled to KP, the over he bowled to Amla/Gibbs etc ... the way he made Ricky Ponting look like a school kid at Headingley last year was probably the best he's ever bowled. The whole Australian team had no idea.

Asif was also superb in Sydney where he picked up 8 wickets in the match, 6 wicket haul in the first innings...the delivery to get rid of Clarke in first innings was a thing of beauty!

 

[Easa]

He started off ok on flat decks sure (and remember THAT karachi pitch was pretty juicy).

But even Irfan Pathan started off ok on flat decks! It's how u sustain it where the challenge is.

So can you please remind me how Asif did Vs SA in 2007? Probably one of the last times he actually played tests on a flat pitch?

Asif was a good addition to the team - a nice donkey-work type bowler on flat pitches and dangerous on seaming pitches but that's it!

Asif had a serious elbow injury during that South Africa tour. Just compare his bowling in South Africa that same season to that performance in Pakistan.

I think you're underrating him quite a bit. Asif was a brilliant bowler (and yes, I am a huge fan of pace!)

 

[Safar55]

In the recent BBC blog/article Anderson is quoted mentioning Mohammed Asif again. Paying Homage to the wizard who nailed his opponents with artistry... damn shame what happened.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyce/2012/05/how_jimmy_anderson_became_engl.html

How Jimmy Anderson became England's main man

"I didn't really have a plan B to go to. That's something I worked really hard on with (Cooley's replacement) Ottis Gibson in the summer of 2010. I wanted to go to the Ashes knowing that I still had ways of taking wickets even if it wasn't moving around.

"When we played Pakistan that summer, I watched how Mohammad Asif got wickets with a scrambled seam.

"The seam normally comes down slightly wobbly, so everyone tries to bowl with it coming down perfectly straight. That's great if it's swinging, but if it's not, it won't move.

"If the seam is scrambled, it's got a chance of hitting either side of the seam and nipping off the pitch either way. I don't know if it's going to nip or not, and if I don't know the batsman doesn't know, and that's a great position to be in for a bowler."

here's an article with what Asif said on Anderson

http://www.pakpassion.net/articles/Anderson_Can_Become_a_Legend_Mohammad_Asif

"I have watched James Anderson’s bowling very closely again and again"...

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">J Anderson "I watch a lot of bowlers to see their seam & wrist positions & see if there's anything I can use. I watched Mohammad Asif in England in 2010 & he was bowling these wobbly-seam balls & I tried to learn that. That winter I had a lot of success with it in Aus" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/957331596113309697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2018</a></blockquote>
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