ICC Chairman and Chief Executive's visit to Lahore - What was achieved?

[cricketjoshila]

An all Indian IPL is a fantasy and is unlikely going to happen. Broadcasters and sponsors will not pay any way near the current amounts without international players.

If India can earn the amounts of money without playing anyone, why don’t they organise regular series against Ireland, Nepal or Netherlands? The fact is that it does not make economic sense.

You talk about cricket and the Indian market as if it’s an Indian made product with exclusive rights. The fact is the contrary.

Your domestic cricket doesn’t generate anything noteworthy unless it has international stars or teams. That’s how it is sold and packaged as to broadcasters. Why are IPL owners hell bent on securing lucrative contracts with foreign players to play exclusively for their franchise?

You’re over playing your hand. Indian cricket is not the sole reason for generating 90 percent of the revenue.

An Indian IPL will become reality if and when India skips the CT 2025.

Broadcasters paid $6bn for Indian territory rights of the IPL. That's for Indians wanting to watch their star players play. Indians pay to watch their stars. If all star Indian players play a domestic tournament, it will have the eyeballs of the nation. And with eyeballs come sponsors and money.


IPL owners own multiple franchisees.

Mumbai Indians own 5 franchisees across 5 leagues.Others like KKR CSK RPSG JSW GMR Royals all own multiple franchisees. It makes sense for them to have Same or similar set of players across different leagues. They have the money to make such deals.

I will tell you something about the Indian market, people bidding $500mn for s IPL franchisee went home empty handed.


The only one overplaying their hand is PCB, threatening BCCI of boycott. )

 

[U$ofA]

An all Indian IPL is a fantasy and is unlikely going to happen. Broadcasters and sponsors will not pay any way near the current amounts without international players.

If India can earn the amounts of money without playing anyone, why don’t they organise regular series against Ireland, Nepal or Netherlands? The fact is that it does not make economic sense.

You talk about cricket and the Indian market as if it’s an Indian made product with exclusive rights. The fact is the contrary.

Your domestic cricket doesn’t generate anything noteworthy unless it has international stars or teams. That’s how it is sold and packaged as to broadcasters. Why are IPL owners hell bent on securing lucrative contracts with foreign players to play exclusively for their franchise?

You’re over playing your hand. Indian cricket is not the sole reason for generating 90 percent of the revenue.

I would say it's a very significant part of it.

Will Aus vs. SL generate $$$? Would Aus vs. BD generate $$$? Would Aus. vs WI generate $$$? Yes they would. But if you replace Aus. in these three examples with Ind. the numbers will be significantly different.

The $$$ in cricket has been going lopsided for a couple of decades now. Back in 2000 or so, 50% of the $$$ was coming from Indian market. It then went to 70% then 80% over the years and it currently stands at 90%.

So I would say Indian cricket is vastly responsible for the revenue and also the existence of cricket in some countries. WI, SL for example.

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

I would say it's a very significant part of it.

Will Aus vs. SL generate $$$? Would Aus vs. BD generate $$$? Would Aus. vs WI generate $$$? Yes they would. But if you replace Aus. in these three examples with Ind. the numbers will be significantly different.

The $$$ in cricket has been going lopsided for a couple of decades now. Back in 2000 or so, 50% of the $$$ was coming from Indian market. It then went to 70% then 80% over the years and it currently stands at 90%.

So I would say Indian cricket is vastly responsible for the revenue and also the existence of cricket in some countries. WI, SL for example.

Some people need to understand and accept the bitter truth even if they dont like it that if India stops playing cricket, cricket will become a part of History on this planet...Its not sustainable at all without India...

 

[orthodox_spin]

I would say it's a very significant part of it.

Will Aus vs. SL generate $$$? Would Aus vs. BD generate $$$? Would Aus. vs WI generate $$$? Yes they would. But if you replace Aus. in these three examples with Ind. the numbers will be significantly different.

The $$$ in cricket has been going lopsided for a couple of decades now. Back in 2000 or so, 50% of the $$$ was coming from Indian market. It then went to 70% then 80% over the years and it currently stands at 90%.

So I would say Indian cricket is vastly responsible for the revenue and also the existence of cricket in some countries. WI, SL for example.

This would make sense if it was based on bilateral cricket solely. However, the rights sold to the Indian Markets are for ICC global events and tournaments.

The appeal to sponsors/companies is the international aspect - a global event which their stars feature in.

 

[orthodox_spin]

Sounds good. India clearly invented, created and owns the game of cricket. It also holds the IP rights as they manufactured it solely in India using Indian material and with Indian Labour too.

The rest of the world just go to India to play and they bring nothing to table in terms of rivalry, skill, branding, market audience. Actually, scratch that they also borrow cricket balls and bats to play with as the game is solely India’s and they do not need the world.

I now see the generosity and understand the India is solely responsible for the revenues. Thank you opening my eyes.

 

[orthodox_spin]

An Indian IPL will become reality if and when India skips the CT 2025.

Broadcasters paid $6bn for Indian territory rights of the IPL. That's for Indians wanting to watch their star players play. Indians pay to watch their stars. If all star Indian players play a domestic tournament, it will have the eyeballs of the nation. And with eyeballs come sponsors and money.


IPL owners own multiple franchisees.

Mumbai Indians own 5 franchisees across 5 leagues.Others like KKR CSK RPSG JSW GMR Royals all own multiple franchisees. It makes sense for them to have Same or similar set of players across different leagues. They have the money to make such deals.

I will tell you something about the Indian market, people bidding $500mn for s IPL franchisee went home empty handed.


The only one overplaying their hand is PCB, threatening BCCI of boycott. )

Sounds good. India clearly invented, created and owns the game of cricket. It also holds the IP rights as they manufactured it solely in India using Indian material and with Indian Labour too.

The rest of the world just go to India to play and they bring nothing to table in terms of rivalry, skill, branding, market audience. Actually, scratch that they also borrow cricket balls and bats to play with as the game is solely India’s and they do not need the world.

I now see the generosity and understand that India is solely responsible for the revenues. Thank you for opening my eyes.

 

[orthodox_spin]

Some people need to understand and accept the bitter truth even if they dont like it that if India stops playing cricket, cricket will become a part of History on this planet...Its not sustainable at all without India...

Cricket has existed for hundreds of years and is not reliant upon India or any single country to develop LOL.

Though it’s true India has increased the games commercial viability, but to say that it will not be sustainable is quite far fetched.

 

[U$ofA]

This would make sense if it was based on bilateral cricket solely. However, the rights sold to the Indian Markets are for ICC global events and tournaments.

The appeal to sponsors/companies is the international aspect - a global event which their stars feature in.

Ok, lets then say that ICC conducts a WC without India. What would be the $$$ generated? Then let's say, ICC has an event with India. What would be the $$$ generated?

Will there be a significant difference in revenues for the ICC?

 

[U$ofA]

Cricket has existed for hundreds of years and is not reliant upon India or any single country to develop LOL.

Though it’s true India has increased the games commercial viability, but to say that it will not be sustainable is quite far fetched.

Cricket in it's current state is almost totally dependent on India.

You think ICC will generate the same amount of $$ without India?
Do you think ICC will be able to make large profits from it's events without India?
Do you think the ICC will be able to distribute all those $$ handouts to the boards without India?
Do you think WI, SL et al will have an opportunity to thrive?

We all live in the real world. It takes certain amount of money to run things. It takes a whole lot of money to attract talent. This large amount of money pouring in from the Indian market is what attracts the talent and keeps the game high quality.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Cricket has existed for hundreds of years and is not reliant upon India or any single country to develop LOL.

Though it’s true India has increased the games commercial viability, but to say that it will not be sustainable is quite far fetched.

So why does Pakistan keep being for a series with India and object to India getting 38% share?

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

Cricket in it's current state is almost totally dependent on India.

You think ICC will generate the same amount of $$ without India?
Do you think ICC will be able to make large profits from it's events without India?
Do you think the ICC will be able to distribute all those $$ handouts to the boards without India?
Do you think WI, SL et al will have an opportunity to thrive?

We all live in the real world. It takes certain amount of money to run things. It takes a whole lot of money to attract talent. This large amount of money pouring in from the Indian market is what attracts the talent and keeps the game high quality.

This.... this is a fact thats not gonna change...How would ICC run cricket with 10% revenue if India doesnt play cricket...ICC would simply shut its office becoz even the rent wont come if India doesnt play let alone sustaining the game of cricket and growing it further by distributing the funds...

 

[MenInG]

The highly anticipated schedule of the upcoming World Cup will be announced only after organisers Inter*national Cricket Council’s (ICC) “consultations within the cricket system and governments”, the sport’s global governing body’s chief executive Geoff Allardice has said.

The 50-over format’s showpiece is set to start in the first week of October and its fixtures not out in the public with just three months to go before the first match is an unusual occurring.

The schedule of the 2019 edition was released 13 months before the tournament. The fixtures of the edition before that were known to the teams and the fans 18 months ahead.

Although there has been no official statement on the reason of the delay, its highly likely that it’s the ongoing deadlock between the Pakistan Cricket Board and its Indian counterpart over the upcoming Asia Cup.

The Board of Control for Cricket in India has refused to send its team to Pakistan, which is to host the continental tournament in September. The Indian board is always opposed to a “hybrid model”, which the PCB had proposed as a midway solution.

BCCI’s apparent stiff stance may well result in Pakistan boycotting the World Cup, which PCB chief Najam Sethi had said was “very much a possibility”.

“… in some places, there’s a lot of consultation that needs to take place, both within the cricket system and with governments, etc,” Allardice told the BBC’s Test Match Special on Wednesday.

“When we put on events, we very much work hand in hand with the hosts.

“There’s a lot of responsibility on a host to deliver a good event, and they’ve got to go through the right checks and balances.”

Allardice was reluctant to speak on whether the matter between the PCB and the BCCI was causing the delay in the release of the schedule. “Until I see the schedule… I’m waiting, and I’m hoping that I’ll see something in the next day or two on that,” he said. “Our events team is very experienced at putting on cricket events in all different countries, and you control what you control.

“And I think that’s the approach that our team is taking, and they’re working on the things that they can progress for the event. The moment we have that information, we’ll be pushing on it at a rate of knots.”

Allardice, who made a two-day visit to the PCB’s headquarters in Lahore along with ICC chairman Greg Barclay recently, said that the schedule can come out anytime now, but said it was still subject to a few formalities.

“I think even today (Wednesday) we might be receiving the schedule from the hosts, and we’ve just got a bit of consultation to do with all the participating teams and the broadcasters,” said the official.

“Then we’ll be publishing that as soon as we possibly can.”

Published in Dawn, June 9th, 2023

 

[ahaseeb]

ICC does have the challenge to keep the game alive too as it's not as popular in terms of % age among the youth

 

[Babeikh]

Indian incompetence has been completely exposed with this world cup scheduling

 

[U$ofA]

Indian incompetence has been completely exposed with this world cup scheduling

You mean ICC. India is just the host. They just get compensated for the costs. ICC runs the show. They are in charge. They are responsible for everything related to WC.

 

[Babeikh]

No, I mean India

 

[U$ofA]

No, I mean India

What does India have to do with anything other than the games being in India?

 

[Babeikh]

By all means believe the lack of a schedule 3 months before the world cup is all because of the ICC and nothing to do with India....if it makes you feel better, please do believe that.

 

[U$ofA]

By all means believe the lack of a schedule 3 months before the world cup is all because of the ICC and nothing to do with India....if it makes you feel better, please do believe that.

All I am saying is, the buck stops with the ICC. Just because BCCI is throwing a tantrum, the ICC does not need to bend to them.

It is your tournament. You are in charge. ICC needs a backbone.

 

[sam_ahm]

I had a good conversation with a friend and he convinced me that Pak withdrawing from the WC is not as small a matter as some Indian fans think.

From a broadcaster and Sponsor point of view it is not just about one team missing, it is not even only about India-Pak game but the fact that Pakistan bring a lot to the table through their flamboyance and mercurial form .. They are a team you cannot ignore and are like crowd pullers + the entire Pakistani fan following as well, they have fans all over the world so it does make a difference.

Neither the ICC nor the sponsors or broadcasters would want to miss out on a team like Pak.

I genuinely think his points are very valid.