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Don't consider champions trophy to be worth much. Nice to win but has no context at all.
 
Mamoon said:
Indeed. If we win the Champions Trophy, people will not celebrate and if we crash out, people will not be disappointed.

I'm sure you were still here in 2013.
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People here will celebrate even when we win Cool and Cool Cups and KitPly Cups so by that logic they are of same value?
 
Slog said:
People here will celebrate even when we win Cool and Cool Cups and KitPly Cups so by that logic they are of same value?
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You are not getting my point. I didn't say that the Champions Trophy is as important as the World Cup, but to say that it's meaningless and not a big deal is simply not true.

It is worth much more than any random bilateral series or the Asia Cup. It's an ICC tournament at the end of the day.
 
champions trophy is the equivalent of the euros or African nations cup in football so i would say it is quite an achievement to win this. but i guess it will always be meaningless until Pakistan win it.
 
Mamoon said:
You are not getting my point. I didn't say that the Champions Trophy is as important as the World Cup, but to say that it's meaningless and not a big deal is simply not true.

It is worth much more than any random bilateral series or the Asia Cup. It's an ICC tournament at the end of the day.
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its meaningless in the grand scheme of things in all honesty

My point is that fans care for every match. Its not like at end of every bilateral series we tend to lose we dont get mad.

but in the larger scheme of things no one attaches a whole lot of imp to CT wins.

basically point is that a one day's side's legacy will be tarnished by not winning the WC but no will care for it not winning the CT. And even if wins 3 CT's but no WC, it will be considered as a side which underachieved
 
Generally, as far as LOI tourneys are concerned, the only rated tournament in cricket circles is the 50 over world cup.

Personally I value only the 50 over world cup too and I get amused when people glorify the T20 world cup, Asia cup and Champions trophy successes like a real world cup. I mean, Sri Lanka won the T20 world cup, but that was forgotten as soon as that week passed. India's champions trophy win was similar as well.

If we can rate the different ICC tournaments, my personal order would be

50 over world cup > T20 world cup ~ Champions trophy > Asia cup >>> triseries >>>>> JAMODI series.

The only trophies I value in cricket are the 50 over world cup and the Test mace.
 
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Mamoon said:
That is because World Cups matter more, but that doesn't mean the Champions Trophy has no value. If we ever win one, people will make a big deal out of it.
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My point was, that they are really upset because no one is gonna take them seriously just because they won the CT. It's because of their test success they're taken seriously.
 
Buffet said:
AB and Co. do need to take the count higher than 1. It's poor to win only one ICC tournament despite having good team in most tournaments.
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This is why I don't rate Amla as high as some other batsmen with great statistics. He rarely shows up when it counts
 
vandokkum said:
This is why I don't rate Amla as high as some other batsmen with great statistics. He rarely shows up when it counts
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True, trend with him has been long enough. Few times he was in a gun form just before the main event started and then went missing. It's not about being out of form for him.
 
Pakistan staring at their 3rd, India at their 6th title.
 
Slog said:
its meaningless in the grand scheme of things in all honesty



My point is that fans care for every match. Its not like at end of every bilateral series we tend to lose we dont get mad.

but in the larger scheme of things no one attaches a whole lot of imp to CT wins.

basically point is that a one day's side's legacy will be tarnished by not winning the WC but no will care for it not winning the CT. And even if wins 3 CT's but no WC, it will be considered as a side which underachieved


Still the same stand ? Lol
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Slog said:
its meaningless in the grand scheme of things in all honesty

My point is that fans care for every match. Its not like at end of every bilateral series we tend to lose we dont get mad.

but in the larger scheme of things no one attaches a whole lot of imp to CT wins.

basically point is that a one day's side's legacy will be tarnished by not winning the WC but no will care for it not winning the CT. And even if wins 3 CT's but no WC, it will be considered as a side which underachieved
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Kya hua bhai :O
 
Slog said:
I stand by it

Obv you wanna win every match but all things considered it's a meaningless trophy

Only good thing is perhaps it tells where your team stands globally
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people here are so excited to see their team in final and want this win on Sunday badly. don't think they all feel that this is a meaningless trophy. they are even comparing this final with Mohali Semi or WT20 final.

how come any ICC tournament is meaningless. I simply don't understand. if you don't give respect to ICC or ICC event, why you are playing cricket.

I am sure you are one of those gloating about bi lateral ODIs head to head record against India. How is bi lateral having more importance than ICC trophy?
 
Indian_Supporter said:
Top 4 Asian teams in this order:

India - 2 World cups, 1 WT20, 1 CT, 1 shared CT, 6 Asia cups, twice no.1 test ranking.

SriLanka - 1 World cup, 1 WT20, 1 shared CT, 5 Asia cup.

Pakistan - 1 World cup, 1 WT20, 2 Asia cups, once no.1 ranked test team.

Bangladesh - None

So based on accolades above,

1)India

Distance

2)Srilanka

Closely followed by

3)Pakistan

Huge distance

4)Bangladesh


P.s - We should hv won 2014 T20 WC...why Yuvi why :(

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If you're going to show #1 rank in Tests here, then the appropriate metric should be number of weeks at #1, not how many times you moved to #1.

If you do that, dudh kaa dudh, paani kaa paani :)
 
Convenience for some Pakistani fans. If Pakistan wins, celebrations if Pakistan loses champions trophy doesn't mean anything.
 
Funny it didn't include the trophy we got by Miandad last ball six. :-)
What about Nehru cup in 1989? I think 5 or 6 teams were involved and Pakistan won that.
Bansen n Hadges tri series, I remember Pakistan won one (the famous series where Mo Zahid was bowling bullets to Brian Lara).
 
anuk said:
Don't consider champions trophy to be worth much. Nice to win but has no context at all.
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Champions Trophy's context is Champions Trophy!

It is the second ODI tournament after the WC, and all top teams participate. Judging from the reaction on this forum, it is highly valued by fans.
 
Logic said:
Funny it didn't include the trophy we got by Miandad last ball six. :-)
What about Nehru cup in 1989? I think 5 or 6 teams were involved and Pakistan won that.
Bansen n Hadges tri series, I remember Pakistan won one (the famous series where Mo Zahid was bowling bullets to Brian Lara).
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The championships included in the list are world tournaments, in which all top nations participate. Tri-series etc. (like Miandad's six) don't qualify. Nehru Cup does and should be included.
 
100% champion trophy matters.
it's like winning the euros after world cup.

it's an excellent achievement.
it matters way more than ******** bilateral tri series etc.
 
Aman said:
Final was in Australia.
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I know that's why I said if the final was in NZ you guys would of put up a much better fight. The flat conditions put along with the huge ground of MCG was never going to suit NZ.
 
July 2024 update :-

8 - Australia
6 - Bharat
5 - West Indies
3 - England, Sri Lanka, Pakistan
1 - Southern Afrikaan, New Zealand
 
Limited overs cricket icc trophies

Aus - 9
Ind - 5½
Wi - 5
Eng - 3
Pak - 3
Sl - 2½
SA - 1
Nz - 1
 
Said it before, and I'll say it again. The Aussies are a completely different breed. To win the ODI WC 6 times is out of the world.
 
Only World tournaments matter, not Champions Trophy or Asia Cup or whatever else.

Aus - 8
Ind - 4
WI - 4
Eng - 3
Pak - 2
SL - 2
NZ - 1
SA - 0
 
Ab Fan said:
Only World tournaments matter, not Champions Trophy or Asia Cup or whatever else.

Aus - 8
Ind - 4
WI - 4
Eng - 3
Pak - 2
SL - 2
NZ - 1
SA - 0
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CT is an icc event and it matters.

It's also more tight since it's top 8 teams so minnow bashing is off the table.

The only issue I have with CT is that the format is such where you can win by playing good in 1 or 2 games and lucking out in the rest.

If ct had the wc format where each side plays each other once and then onto semi's and final, it would be better and more inpactful then even odi wc where you can still get a few easy wins against nedtherlands.
 
mominsaigol said:
CT is an icc event and it matters.

It's also more tight since it's top 8 teams so minnow bashing is off the table.

The only issue I have with CT is that the format is such where you can win by playing good in 1 or 2 games and lucking out in the rest.

If ct had the wc format where each side plays each other once and then onto semi's and final, it would be better and more inpactful then even odi wc where you can still get a few easy wins against nedtherlands.
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People remember World Cup winners and not CT winners. Till 2015-2019, people remembered Australia as World Cup winners, 2019-23, England and 2023- now, it's Australia.

T20s has its own World Cup winners and Test has its own. No-one remembers CT winners.
 
Ab Fan said:
People remember World Cup winners and not CT winners. Till 2015-2019, people remembered Australia as World Cup winners, 2019-23, England and 2023- now, it's Australia.

T20s has its own World Cup winners and Test has its own. No-one remembers CT winners.
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People do remember ct winners. It's just you and a select others in your niche don't or don't wish to cause in your eyes the tournament itself is worthless.
 
Ab Fan said:
People remember World Cup winners and not CT winners. Till 2015-2019, people remembered Australia as World Cup winners, 2019-23, England and 2023- now, it's Australia.

T20s has its own World Cup winners and Test has its own. No-one remembers CT winners.
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Lol no one cares wtc. Wc >> t20 wc >>> CT >>>>> WTC.. test mace = wtc
 
mominsaigol said:
People do remember ct winners. It's just you and a select others in your niche don't or don't wish to cause in your eyes the tournament itself is worthless.
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Nobody remembers CT winners. Can you tell me who won the CT in 2005 and who was the runners? Most won't remember, they will have to do a google search. People remember Ashes 2005 more than a CT that year.

Look at England, people say that they transformed their white ball team after 2015 WC. But look what they did in CT'17 at home conditions? Bottled up but nobody cares. Their prestige is saved with the WC win in 2019 and WT20 win in 2022. Nobody cares about CT and have forgotten it, many don't even know a tournament as such existed.

2019 - ODI WC
2021 - WT20
2022 - WT20
2023 - ODI WC
2024 - WT20

Look, that's all what everyone knows. Nobody gives a damn on who is the defending CT winners and I am not saying it because it is Pakistan defending it, it's a reality. Even Pak fans would feel a bit embarassed within in saying that they are defending champions. It has become a forgotten tournament in last 5 years.
 
Rayavaram said:
Popularity wise order

Wc
T20wc
Ct
Wtc/test mace
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Tests are for purists. You either watch it or not..No middle lines. It's about prestige playing a WTC Final and not popularity.

CT is there for people who don't get to watch ODI World Cup or T20I World Cup.
 
Ab Fan said:
People remember World Cup winners and not CT winners. Till 2015-2019, people remembered Australia as World Cup winners, 2019-23, England and 2023- now, it's Australia.

T20s has its own World Cup winners and Test has its own. No-one remembers CT winners.
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CT is a random tournament. Doesn't follow any schedule. We have had just 8 CTs in the span of 26 years. That kinda underlines how serious the tournament is. India has reached 4 CT finals. Won 2 of them. Australia has reached 2 finals and won 2 of them. So basically evne in CT India has the best results over a period.
 
Ab Fan said:
Tests are for purists. You either watch it or not..No middle lines. It's about prestige playing a WTC Final and not popularity.

CT is there for people who don't get to watch ODI World Cup or T20I World Cup.
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2 Yrs duration for one tornament too much. Competitive events duration should be in 1-3 months.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
CT is a random tournament. Doesn't follow any schedule. We have had just 8 CTs in the span of 26 years. That kinda underlines how serious the tournament is. India has reached 4 CT finals. Won 2 of them. Australia has reached 2 finals and won 2 of them. So basically evne in CT India has the best results over a period.
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Only one right. 2002 ct shared with lanka
 
Goddamn Australia actually has 10 ICC titles. :vk1

And that too when Cricket is barely their second most popular sport lol. Unreal country...
 
Mesozoic said:
Goddamn Australia actually has 10 ICC titles. :vk1

And that too when Cricket is barely their second most popular sport lol. Unreal country...
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Just because it is their second sport that doesn't mean it has less importance. Boxing day test still has full attendance. They incredibly respect the sports since the Don Bradman era.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Just because it is their second sport that doesn't mean it has less importance. Boxing day test still has full attendance. They incredibly respect the sports since the Don Bradman era.
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I didn't say it has less importance. But it certainly is incredible when you consider the fact that most of their young athletes move towards AFL, Rugby and Soccer.
 
Ab Fan said:
Nobody remembers CT winners. Can you tell me who won the CT in 2005 and who was the runners? Most won't remember, they will have to do a google search. People remember Ashes 2005 more than a CT that year.

Look at England, people say that they transformed their white ball team after 2015 WC. But look what they did in CT'17 at home conditions? Bottled up but nobody cares. Their prestige is saved with the WC win in 2019 and WT20 win in 2022. Nobody cares about CT and have forgotten it, many don't even know a tournament as such existed.

2019 - ODI WC
2021 - WT20
2022 - WT20
2023 - ODI WC
2024 - WT20

Look, that's all what everyone knows. Nobody gives a damn on who is the defending CT winners and I am not saying it because it is Pakistan defending it, it's a reality. Even Pak fans would feel a bit embarassed within in saying that they are defending champions. It has become a forgotten tournament in last 5 years.
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Before India won 2024 t20 wc, they were consistently memed 24/7, about not having won an icc trophy in 11 years with references being made to 2013 ct.

No one said 13 years they always said 11 hence indian fans clearly cringed onto ct 2013.

Similarly everyone remembers the shared srilanka and India tournament along with Australia winning 2006 ct as a part of the classic aussie dominance.

Only the first 2 inaugural Ct's and ct 2009 have mostly been forgotten as ct 2009 was held at the same time as 2009 t20 wc and the first 2 are forgotten due to being brand new events at the time.

As for 2017 England, lol 2017 and 2019 wins against England is considered the greatest achievement for pakistan cricket during those time periods excluding beating India in a final as beating atg England 2x in their home den is what caused Pakistani fans to be excited in the first place.
 
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Rayavaram said:
2 Yrs duration for one tornament too much. Competitive events duration should be in 1-3 months.
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It's about prestige. If you achieved great performance for 2 years long, you get rewarded by playing a one off WTC Final. Being a representative of the WTC Final means you achieved huge success in last two years and that's a reward for it.
 
mominsaigol said:
Again for you lol.

Before India won 2024 t20 wc, they were consistently memed 24/7, about not having won an icc trophy in 11 years with references being made to 2013 ct.

No one said 13 years they always said 11 hence indian fans clearly cringed onto ct 2013.

Similarly everyone remembers the shared srilanka and India tournament along with Australia winning 2006 ct as a part of the classic aussie dominance.

Only the first 2 inaugural Ct's and ct 2009 have mostly been forgotten as ct 2009 was held at the same time as 2009 t20 wc and the first 2 are forgotten due to being brand new events at the time.

As for 2017 England, lol 2017 and 2019 wins against England is considered the greatest achievement for pakistan cricket during those time periods excluding beating India in a final as beating atg England 2x in their home den is what caused Pakistani fans to be excited in the first place.
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Memes don't mean much. People can make memes about anything as they want. India were the top team and arguably #1 team all formats combined since 2015 irrespective of whatever one makes a meme about. CT is for the team who wants to console after coming out as a failure from a World Cup and WT20.
 
Ab Fan said:
Memes don't mean much. People can make memes about anything as they want. India were the top team and arguably #1 team all formats combined since 2015 irrespective of whatever one makes a meme about. CT is for the team who wants to console after coming out as a failure from a World Cup and WT20.
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CT was meant to be scrapped after 2013 and then after 2017. 2025 will be the final CT. and if India wins, it will be relegated as the inconsequential trophy and if Pakistan wins, it will be the be end of all glorious trophies which BCCI conspired to scrap because Pakistan won it twice in a row. Anyone else wins, then the conversation will be " Which was the last team to win between India and Pakistan? " :P
Olympics will be the new major tournament from 2028, there is no space for CT after 2025.

Simple logical line of thoughts :)
 
Ab Fan said:
Memes don't mean much. People can make memes about anything as they want. India were the top team and arguably #1 team all formats combined since 2015 irrespective of whatever one makes a meme about. CT is for the team who wants to console after coming out as a failure from a World Cup and WT20.
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Lol no they weren't. 2015 Australia were comfortably superior to them.

And England's resurgence from 2016 all the way till 2020, they were Miles superior to India.

Afterwards 2021 and 2022 were probs india's weakest time period since 2012 with half their team injured and alot of their players like dhawan fizzling out.

Only from 2023 onwards they are conformable the best team in the world. So basically from a year or so.
 
mominsaigol said:
And England's resurgence from 2016 all the way till 2020, they were Miles superior to India.
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This right here you yourself proved why CT means nothing absolutely. Resurgent England played CT at home and got spanked in semi finals. They lost a home tournament and yet it didn't hurt their legacy.

By the way, I made the point about all formats combined. India were no.1 or about since 2015 and even till now in Tests.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
CT was meant to be scrapped after 2013 and then after 2017. 2025 will be the final CT. and if India wins, it will be relegated as the inconsequential trophy and if Pakistan wins, it will be the be end of all glorious trophies which BCCI conspired to scrap because Pakistan won it twice in a row. Anyone else wins, then the conversation will be " Which was the last team to win between India and Pakistan? " :P
Olympics will be the new major tournament from 2028, there is no space for CT after 2025.

Simple logical line of thoughts :)
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Pakistan can't win a home test series vs a good side at the moment, they are a nothing side at the moment. Just consoling themselves through a fluke win 8 years ago.
 
Ab Fan said:
This right here you yourself proved why CT means nothing absolutely. Resurgent England played CT at home and got spanked in semi finals. They lost a home tournament and yet it didn't hurt their legacy.

By the way, I made the point about all formats combined. India were no.1 or about since 2015 and even till now in Tests.
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Resurgent England lost in the same way your so called Hyped ATG India lost by a whopping 180 runs in the final.

The same way a resurgent England lost to Sri lanka, Australia and Pakistan in the world cup and lucked out against NZ in the final but managed to utterly tear India and Australia(in semi) a new one.

Cricket is a bewafa sport, anything and anything can happen to any team.

Also as for their so called legacy, idk what point you're trying to make. England lost to Pakistan, Sri lanka, Australia in group stages and almost lost to NZ and would have lost if it wasn't for the deflection yet none of this hurt their legacy either.

No one ever says they lucked out or look at this side losing to Sri lanka lol.
 
Ab Fan said:
Nobody remembers CT winners. Can you tell me who won the CT in 2005 and who was the runners? Most won't remember, they will have to do a google search. People remember Ashes 2005 more than a CT that year.

Look at England, people say that they transformed their white ball team after 2015 WC. But look what they did in CT'17 at home conditions? Bottled up but nobody cares. Their prestige is saved with the WC win in 2019 and WT20 win in 2022. Nobody cares about CT and have forgotten it, many don't even know a tournament as such existed.

2019 - ODI WC
2021 - WT20
2022 - WT20
2023 - ODI WC
2024 - WT20

Look, that's all what everyone knows. Nobody gives a damn on who is the defending CT winners and I am not saying it because it is Pakistan defending it, it's a reality. Even Pak fans would feel a bit embarassed within in saying that they are defending champions. It has become a forgotten tournament in last 5 years.
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Agreed on CT being a forgettable tournament. Nobody ever talked about CT win after 2013, everyone only spoke of 2011 win.

In the 2000s, people only talked about AUS's WC dominance nobody gave a flying fig about who won the CT.
 
mominsaigol said:
Lol no they weren't. 2015 Australia were comfortably superior to them.

And England's resurgence from 2016 all the way till 2020, they were Miles superior to India.

Afterwards 2021 and 2022 were probs india's weakest time period since 2012 with half their team injured and alot of their players like dhawan fizzling out.

Only from 2023 onwards they are conformable the best team in the world. So basically from a year or so.
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W/l ratio top teams vs top teams in odis.

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Rayavaram said:
W/l ratio top teams vs top teams in odis.
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Again none of this matters.

2015 Australia was better then any team dueing said time period.

2016 England was better then any team uphill 2019

2021 and 2022 India were awfully weak especially in the t20 department.

These are facts. Showing me mindless statistics with no context is as relevant as babar azam's no 1 icc odi rank
 
mominsaigol said:
Again none of this matters.

2015 Australia was better then any team dueing said time period.

2016 England was better then any team uphill 2019

2021 and 2022 India were awfully weak especially in the t20 department.

These are facts. Showing me mindless statistics with no context is as relevant as babar azam's no 1 icc odi rank
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Lol check w/l ratio in icc trophies against top teams from 2011/2015-24 t20 wc
 
Ab Fan said:
Lol owned @mominsaigol but but but..

Pakistan fluked a Champions Trophy hence they are the best side with a W/L ratio of 0.7.
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I never claimed Pakistan were the best side in 2017.

England were clearly the strongest team in 2017 all the way uptill 2019.

W/L metrics don't matter. It just shows India is more consistent, however an onsong 2019 England spanks an onsong 2019 India balck and blue 24 ways to Sunday.

England having off days against pakistan in world cups and ct doesn't mean pakistan is superior.
 
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mominsaigol said:
Again none of this matters.

2015 Australia was better then any team dueing said time period.

2016 England was better then any team uphill 2019

2021 and 2022 India were awfully weak especially in the t20 department.

These are facts. Showing me mindless statistics with no context is as relevant as babar azam's no 1 icc odi rank
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From 2011 w/l ratio against top teams in icc events

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Ab Fan said:
Lol owned @mominsaigol but but but..

Pakistan fluked a Champions Trophy hence they are the best side with a W/L ratio of 0.7.
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In flukes teams cant score 338/4 infact if it was with the bat so how come Pakistan bowled them out so cheaply? obviously that was a Pakistan's day... they played well on the day and won that game with their efforts so cant realy call it a fluke!
 
Bhaijaan said:
July 2024 update :-

9 - Australia
6 - Bharat
5 - West Indies
3 - England, Sri Lanka, Pakistan
1 - Southern Afrikaan, New Zealand
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Chance for Bharat to narrow the gap with the Aussies

Chance for NZ to get that 2nd trophy and leave South Africa behind
 
You win a tournament once, you start winning more and more. You get used to with the circumstances and continue winning more, condition being that the team should be strong enough and capable to win tournaments.
 
From.now on ICC tournament final will be Ind v....., India have gone so strong for whatever reasons
 
Not surprising to see India winning this.

India has won all games except one in the last 3 ICC tournaments. Clearly the best limited overs side in recentg years. You don't win 23 out of 24 in ICC tournament without being the best limited overs side. They beat lots of good sides in those 23-24 games.
 
March 2025 update :-

9 - Australia
7 - Bharat
5 - West Indies
3 - England, Sri Lanka, Pakistan
1 - Southern Afrikaan, New Zealand
 
Bharat’s ICC Trophies cabinet

World Cup - 🏆🏆
World T20 - 🏆🏆
Champions Trophy - 🏆🏆🏆
 
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