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ICC World Cup 2023: England v Pakistan | Match 44 | Kolkata | 11 November | Pre-Match Discussion

Which side will win the England vs Pakistan match in ICC World Cup 2023?

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Savak said:
Pakistan needs to target 500. Aim for six every ball. Go out trying
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Doable if Fakhar can score a double century in 60 balls and then Babar and Rizwan can score a century in 50 balls each. Even after that, England needs to be shut out in under 15 overs.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
I think we Will lose now. Team will be demotivated completely.
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Knowing this team - it's likely that this will be how they respond, if the past is any indicator. Remember that in 2019 we were in a very similar situation where we needed to win by more than 300 runs against Bangladesh, and we actually won the toss and batted first. And yet.. we only scored 315. Fakhar started off with 13 from 31 balls (and got out) and Imam hit a run a ball 100 and Babar hit a run a ball 98 (and I remember my brother and I were so happy he missed out on his 100 for the dumbass way he batted.. wish Imam also got out before 100). Only Imad Wasim tried (43 from 26).

It's essentially the same group of player, just led by Babar vs Sarfaraz. Can they understand that it's not about padding your personal stats? Can they understand we want Babar & Rizwan to play like it's a PSL T20? This is all if we're lucky enough to get a bat first. If you believe - you never know. There's no person that believed Pak will chase 400 even in a shortened game, yet one person believed and did it. Imagine if you have the whole batting line-up believe in themselves and the person who's going to come in next? Nothing would be impossible!
 
Bhaijaan said:
It won’t make Pakistan’s chances of winning any better.

It would just allow for a fair game of cricket allowing both teams to win and secure their purpose.
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So winning the toss and making a unfavorable decision to either bat or bowl means nothing to you?

Toss has been a thing for centuries in Cricket, you're the first person to say something like this.
 
If Fakhar Zaman bats like he did vs New Zealand, Pakistan can get 400-450.

That would demoralise England and we can bowl them out for under 100.
 
So from all if and buts now its down to toss, hilarious I hope Babar wins toss and bowl first
 
zulfiqar said:
Knowing this team - it's likely that this will be how they respond, if the past is any indicator. Remember that in 2019 we were in a very similar situation where we needed to win by more than 300 runs against Bangladesh, and we actually won the toss and batted first. And yet.. we only scored 315. Fakhar started off with 13 from 31 balls (and got out) and Imam hit a run a ball 100 and Babar hit a run a ball 98 (and I remember my brother and I were so happy he missed out on his 100 for the dumbass way he batted.. wish Imam also got out before 100). Only Imad Wasim tried (43 from 26).

It's essentially the same group of player, just led by Babar vs Sarfaraz. Can they understand that it's not about padding your personal stats? Can they understand we want Babar & Rizwan to play like it's a PSL T20? This is all if we're lucky enough to get a bat first. If you believe - you never know. There's no person that believed Pak will chase 400 even in a shortened game, yet one person believed and did it. Imagine if you have the whole batting line-up believe in themselves and the person who's going to come in next? Nothing would be impossible!
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They have played cricket at the highest level and understand that its impossible for you to score 400 and on the SAME PITCH get the opposition out for 100. Sarfaraz said the same after the 2019 match against Bangladesh

Might as well just win the match- atleast it can save Babar's captaincy and career of a few players who have been mediocre this tournament. This is what the thinking will be.
 
I think, PAK should settle for just a good win and prepare for next assignment - just make a peace with it.

You see, one odd day it’s possible to win by a mega margin like SRL once beat India by ~250 margin. But, yon can’t plan that because opponents also knows the equation. For the sake of saying let’s say PAK scores 450…. Poms will make sure that they don’t get all out for 161, to become the laughing stock for rest of cricket history.

Batting second, even more hopeless case - in fact, if Poms bats first, they might win that game comfortably.
 
saqib.rai said:
They have played cricket at the highest level and understand that its impossible for you to score 400 and on the SAME PITCH get the opposition out for 100. Sarfaraz said the same after the 2019 match against Bangladesh

Might as well just win the match- atleast it can save Babar's captaincy and career of a few players who have been mediocre this tournament. This is what the thinking will be.
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Bro, how you can loose hope? I believe you were very positive. What happened now?

Anyways, why not? Aussies win on same pitch by 300+, india also did the same.
 
PakFan2010 said:
If Fakhar Zaman bats like he did vs New Zealand, Pakistan can get 400-450.

That would demoralise England and we can bowl them out for under 100.
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Why would it demoralise England?

They aren’t capable of doing the same as Pakistan did on the same wicket?
 
PakFan2010 said:
If Fakhar Zaman bats like he did vs New Zealand, Pakistan can get 400-450.

That would demoralise England and we can bowl them out for under 100.
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Eden is not Chinnawamy. It is a big ground. Fakhar will have to bat out of his soul to have the same impact.
 
Rana said:
Why would it demoralise England?

They aren’t capable of doing the same as Pakistan did on the same wicket?
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How did india and aussies win by huge margins in this WC on same pitch?

We don't have that bowling attack otherwise its not impossible.
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
How did india and aussies win by huge margins in this WC on same pitch?

We don't have that bowling attack otherwise its not impossible.
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Yeah well, best of luck. They are international batsmen these Englishmen, not a set of bowling pins
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
Bro, how you can loose hope? I believe you were very positive. What happened now?

Anyways, why not? Aussies win on same pitch by 300+, india also did the same.
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Don't worry, next world cup he'll be saying this team gives me hope again.
 
Rana said:
Yeah well, best of luck. They are international batsmen these Englishmen, not a set of bowling pins
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England in this WC
215 all out against AFG
170 all out against SA
156 all out against SL
129 all out against IND
253 all out against Aus

Against good bowling they are very much vulnerable, if our bowlers put some extra effort we can get them below 130.
But current condition of our bowlers its not possible. Maybe shaheen magical spell 6/25 will do. I still have hopes.
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
Bro, how you can loose hope? I believe you were very positive. What happened now?

Anyways, why not? Aussies win on same pitch by 300+, india also did the same.
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No I am saying they wouldn't go for the 285 run win.
That's how humans work. Self interest.

If they get bundled out for 100 trying to hit big, Babar should kiss his captaincy goodbye.

The same reason Sarfraz and the 2019 Pakistan team didn't go for the 300 run win against Bangladesh .

Toxic fans, ex-cricketers, media have completely taken away the confidence this team has. Or any Pakistani team will have.

Just unnecessarily criticizing 24/7. Much of the criticism is below the belt
 
I’m just hoping that Babar wins the toss, if not then I hope England put us into bat just to see what our approach is
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
England in this WC
215 all out against AFG
170 all out against SA
156 all out against SL
129 all out against IND
253 all out against Aus

Against good bowling they are very much vulnerable, if our bowlers put some extra effort we can get them below 130.
But current condition of our bowlers its not possible. Maybe shaheen magical spell 6/25 will do. I still have hopes.
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What about Harris Rauf?

You do realise English Batsmen love sending him to the next postcode wherever they play him?
 
I actually want Pakistan to treat this as a training exercise. Put out your best performance. Push yourself to the limits and bat as freely as you want. Play all the shots you were developing in the nets and just have fun.
 
Thephenom said:
I’m just hoping that Babar wins the toss, if not then I hope England put us into bat just to see what our approach is
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Butler admitted yesterday that he may have been wrong to bowl first every time he won the toss

They are 100% going to bat first mate
 
RidiculousMan said:
I actually want Pakistan to treat this as a training exercise. Put out your best performance. Push yourself to the limits and bat as freely as you want. Play all the shots you were developing in the nets and just have fun.
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Hopefully some emails from Mickey’s account can enforce this game plan. The online coaching will be key here
 
saqib.rai said:
They have played cricket at the highest level and understand that its impossible for you to score 400 and on the SAME PITCH get the opposition out for 100. Sarfaraz said the same after the 2019 match against Bangladesh

Might as well just win the match- atleast it can save Babar's captaincy and career of a few players who have been mediocre this tournament. This is what the thinking will be.
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I forget that Sarfaraz said that. I completely disagree with what he's said though. Look at India vs SA - that was a 350+ pitch and the only reason India didn't get 350+ was because Kohli wanted his 100 and Shreyas Iyer and him decided they would settle for a big partnership. Had Rohit Sharma, SKY and Jadeja gotten more balls they could've propelled India to a massive total. And then on the exact same pitch SA - the side that had only lost 1 game up till then - was rolled over for 83.

I understand that the likelihood of a 300 run win is near impossible, but to me at least it makes no sense that you would not even try. The only reason to not try to qualify is to save your averages and try to finish 5th on the table vs 6th or 7th - and this is not a good enough reason. He needs to instill courage in his players and try for for 400 even if it means being all out for 200 - because whether we win or lose this game, he will feel scrutiny either way without a semis berth.
 
Rana said:
What about Harris Rauf?

You do realise English Batsmen love sending him to the next postcode wherever they play him?
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Agree rauf is not doing that great, but don't you think, babar didn't use him on his strenghts, it's not necessary to bowl full 10 overs.
Maximum 7-8 overs are enough for his bowling and use him intelligently after 30th over.
For example
He concede 24 runs in his first over before 20th but babar repeat the same mistake in next match and he goes for 17 runs. Babar is really poor in rotating bowlers.
Against SA when ball start reversing, babar came up with spinner.

I believe babar didn't use bowlers intelligently.
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
Agree rauf is not doing that great, but don't you think, babar didn't use him on his strenghts, it's not necessary to bowl full 10 overs.
Maximum 7-8 overs are enough for his bowling and use him intelligently after 30th over.
For example
He concede 24 runs in his first over before 20th but babar repeat the same mistake in next match and he goes for 17 runs. Babar is really poor in rotating bowlers.
Against SA when ball start reversing, babar came up with spinner.

I believe babar didn't use bowlers intelligently.
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Rauf can realistically only bowl 2X 5 over spells

1. Right after drinks break (16 overs) into the 25th

2. 41-50 overs at the death (this is where he is actually good)

Too many times Babar’s hand was forced to bring him in the powerplay because they didn’t pick proper powerplay bowlers, whilst Shaheen couldn’t get them off to the start they would have liked.
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
England in this WC
215 all out against AFG
170 all out against SA
156 all out against SL
129 all out against IND
253 all out against Aus

Against good bowling they are very much vulnerable, if our bowlers put some extra effort we can get them below 130.
But current condition of our bowlers its not possible. Maybe shaheen magical spell 6/25 will do. I still have hopes.
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Won’t - try to understand why. All these innings (Not AFG one probably), Poms were 4-5 down inside first PP - they have their own brand of aggressive start, and didn’t change their tactics despite knowing that players are over the hill & struggling on Indian wickets. Against us, Malan survived and early caught behind, while Johnny was millimetres away on DRS LBW review on Umpires Not Out - they kept blasting and went on to make 364.

Point is, if you want to hurt this English side, you need to strike early, otherwise they’ll pile up big scores. This is where PAK is lagging - first 30 overs with two new balls, bowlers bowl liberally - both side of wickets and at various length.

Look at what IND, AUS, SRL, AFG, NZ did to PAK pacers in first PP. Kock failed in SAF game and it was decent…

Good bowling indeed can penetrate their toll pool half, but for PAK good bowling often starts after 35 overs…. By that time Poms might be 201/2 ….
 
PakFan2010 said:
If Fakhar Zaman bats like he did vs New Zealand, Pakistan can get 400-450.

That would demoralise England and we can bowl them out for under 100.Getting
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Getting 400+ is possible against MoeenBhai and RashidBhai and others.... if Fakhar continues in the same vein as in the game against NZ and Rizwan,Babar join the party take advantage of the pies provided by England spinners.
However only if Naseem was there the England would have been possibly shot out under 100. Just Shaheen and Rauf on their own cannot do it...or can they?
If India can shoot out SL and SA for below 100....and Aus/Eng/Pakistan for below 200....then it is theoretically possible to ambush Eng with express pacers. Only Afg/NZ/Bangladesh have got 200+ against India
 
The last thing Babar or anyone from the Pakistan camp should say pre match is “we are going to do our best to get the required nrr win against England”

A statement like this will seriously P off the English team and camp, and they will come extremely hard at you fully riled up.

Just say “we will try to play our best cricket against a good England side, and hope for the best outcome”

Simple.
 
I am very worried that England have gained confidence now.
 
MenInG said:
I am very worried that England have gained confidence now.
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They have gained confidence but the last thing you want is their pride hurt by foolish statements by Pakistani players and cricket analysts

As if there really is a possibility of Pakistan bowling them out for 13 if we put 300 on the board. They are a respectful team towards us, we should be respectful in the next 48 hours towards them
 
MenInG said:
I am very worried that England have gained confidence now.
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We have seen much record breaking stuff in last 10 years or so. Records are meant to be broken. 498 record also meant to be broken at some time and that point can be pak vs eng game. Pak bats first and break that record. Red-inker inning by fakhar.
 
MenInG said:
I am very worried that England have gained confidence now.
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We'll probs best England though. Despite what people are saying, I saw the nedtherlands game.

Bairstow, Root, Stokes and butler are walking wickets. Their completly put of it. Baorstow due to injury, Root and Stokes due to not playing in ages and butler due to poor form.

It's only malan and Brooks to worry about.

Don't worry about form, They didn't find form, Malan has been minnow bashing for a while and Stokes usually kicks against minnows as well.

The worrying thing isn't england game. It's that we're out of the tournament. Game is over now.
 
i say that Pakistan should set a new record. Get all 11 players timed out. Do a homage to Matthews. Everyone goes in with a diff problem - broken bat, missing guard, no shoelaces etc. Keep em waiting.
:wink:
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
We have seen much record breaking stuff in last 10 years or so. Records are meant to be broken. 498 record also meant to be broken at some time and that point can be pak vs eng game. Pak bats first and break that record. Red-inker inning by fakhar.
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Impossible. You cannot expect him.to score 300. Kolkata is a 350 max venue if you play well.
 
So then, realistically Pakistan will need to score 380-390 and bowl out England for under 100. The score is possible, but I don’t think they have enough venom to bowl out England for under 100
 
Champ_Pal said:
Doable if Fakhar can score a double century in 60 balls and then Babar and Rizwan can score a century in 50 balls each. Even after that, England needs to be shut out in under 15 overs.
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Only saqib sir still believes we have a chance.
 
PakFan2010 said:
If Fakhar Zaman bats like he did vs New Zealand, Pakistan can get 400-450.

That would demoralise England and we can bowl them out for under 100.
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Eng has nothing at stake. England's stake is to ensure pak does not qualify. They may ensure to reach more than 113 to reduce margin of defeat below 287 gap, required.
 
People talking about scoring 450 etc and bowling out Eng for 100. :ROFLMAO: We're not going up against some pub team from a little village in England.

Don't do this yourselves guys, its over. Heck we could just as easily lose the match.
 
lol @ senarios don’t think anyone knows this Pak team.

The only thing garunteed is Pak will play out 120 minimum dot balls.. cowards die thousand different deaths.
 
Kroll said:
People talking about scoring 450 etc and bowling out Eng for 100. :ROFLMAO: We're not going up against some pub team from a little village in England.

Don't do this yourselves guys, its over. Heck we could just as easily lose the match.
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I think we will lose tbh. This team is just not good enough. Even with naseem.
 
kron said:
Only saqib sir still believes we have a chance.
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Well, nobody actually knows what's actually going to happen on the day. Maybe England get all out at 50 or so.

Intent must be to go for a kill rest just leave on your fate.
 
If England wins the toss, they should do what they believe as the best course of action for them to win. That is the sportsmanship.
 
ChennaiFan said:
If England wins the toss, they should do what they believe as the best course of action for them to win. That is the sportsmanship.
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Logically, they should bowl first anyway.

They can use Pakistan's situation against them.

Pakistani batsmen will be swinging from the hips batting first and are far more likely to get bundled out quickly. England won't have to work hard to create chances.
 
kingusama92 said:
Logically, they should bowl first anyway.

They can use Pakistan's situation against them.

Pakistani batsmen will be swinging from the hips batting first and are far more likely to get bundled out quickly. England won't have to work hard to create chances.
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Or maybe work for us, pak gets 510 at the end.
 
What's even the point of discussing this game after we have been shafted by Sri Lanka?

So if England win the toss and decide to bat first we are basically out? Ha what a joke!
 
kingusama92 said:
Logically, they should bowl first anyway.

They can use Pakistan's situation against them.

Pakistani batsmen will be swinging from the hips batting first and are far more likely to get bundled out quickly. England won't have to work hard to create chances.
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Yes, you have a point there. That could be one England's strategy. But, instead of assuming what Pakistan will do, they should look at the conditions and choose batting first or fielding first.
 
Fakhar
Muhammed Haris
Babar
Rizwan
Abdullah
Iftikhar
Shadab
Hassan
Shaheen
Hassan
Rauf
 
ChennaiFan said:
Yes, you have a point there. That could be one England's strategy. But, instead of assuming what Pakistan will do, they should look at the conditions and choose batting first or fielding first.
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Fair point and I agree.

It should always be pitch dependent plus England just won batting first. They might vibe with that strategy more.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Very interested to see what happens now as it is next to impossible to make it to the semis if they bat second.

The only way for them is by batting first and having one hell of a match with the bat and ball both.

England has nothing to lose and I would really appreciate if they show the ultimate act of sportsmanship by inviting Pakistan to bat first If in case they win the toss allowing Pakistan a fair shot at semis.

I firmly believe they have this much grace in them.
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Why do u think so? Is eng not a professional team to take care about themselves? Why should all other teams care about pak ? Is pak so incapable of making in to semis on its own?
 
PakFan2010 said:
If Fakhar Zaman bats like he did vs New Zealand, Pakistan can get 400-450.

That would demoralise England and we can bowl them out for under 100.
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I not it's a long shot, but I want the team to try at least. We can aim for 450 first thing first.
We should play all the batters in the squad and 3 bowlers.
To restrict England to 160 we will need to bowl them out in 30 overs anyway.
At least give it a go please lada
 
PakFan2010 said:
If Fakhar Zaman bats like he did vs New Zealand, Pakistan can get 400-450.

That would demoralise England and we can bowl them out for under 100.
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England can't afford to lose the match by more than 250 runs or they will miss the cut for CT so they will make sure they don't lose very heavily.
 
7sins said:
Shami is the main destroyer bumrah keeps it tight but teams don't give him many wickets
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Shami has been around for 10 years. And was on the bench just 2 weeks ago. Is not even close to Bumrah's class

I have seen enough cricket to realize that Bumrah is a generational talent
Only better or equal bowlers this century have been Glenn McGrath and Dale Steyn
 
2 sixes per over should be the formula while batting first. Simple
 
There is no way Pakistan is still in the race for the Semis. No chance of Pakistan getting that NRR in their favour against England. 250 plus runs defeat is not on the cards for englnad so let just hope, Pakistan wins it and end it on a high note.
 
Rana said:
Would you be saying this if today’s game was rained off and Pakistan got a free ticket to play the Semi final if they just beat England on Saturday?

Be a fair man. NZ are better than us
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How are they better than us when we beat them? We are better on current form and deserved that lucrative semi final spot.
 
I am hoping that Pakistan bats first. Batters will have a license. We will either get bowled out for 100 or try to hack our way to 450-500. Cricket is a funny game.

But honestly if we bat first, score 250-300 and dont get bowled out, then I am done with this garbage team. I rather see us getting bowled out for 100 in 20 overs.
 
Apparently (and understandably) the mood changed in Pakistan's camp once they heard NZ were racing to a win.

Max Babri has a huge task at hand now.
 
I'm never that guy but for once I want us to lose this game. No, not for any future improvements or anything but just so this tournament leaves that unpleasant taste which our performances merit. Don't want us to leave with a feeling of false satisfaction by "finishing on a high". Let it be a bitter end.
 
MenInG said:
Apparently (and understandably) the mood changed in Pakistan's camp once they heard NZ were racing to a win.

Max Babri has a huge task at hand now.
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On the serious note, we are way behind in everything from other nations. Max babri might himself need sessions. They are all businessmans, they got zero stakes in sports. We are doomed.
 
RidiculousMan said:
I actually want Pakistan to treat this as a training exercise. Put out your best performance. Push yourself to the limits and bat as freely as you want. Play all the shots you were developing in the nets and just have fun.
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Babar is similar if not worse than Misbah and will play as safety first and target 270-290. This guy has lack of passion or hunger for win.
 
saqib.rai said:
Shami has been around for 10 years. And was on the bench just 2 weeks ago. Is not even close to Bumrah's class

I have seen enough cricket to realize that Bumrah is a generational talent
Only better or equal bowlers this century have been Glenn McGrath and Dale Steyn
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Dale Steyn was a choker but Mcgrath was even better than Akram with his accuracy. Wasim is superior version of Shahin.
 
Stay on the topic guys. No need to discuss Dale Steyn on any other irrelevant player here. Keep up with the Pakistan vs England discussion.
 
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