"If a man couldn't develop a team in 6 years, how can you expect him to in one series?" : M Yousuf

[MRSN]

"If a man couldn't develop a team in 6 years, how can you expect him to in one series?" : M Yousuf

It was a comment from M Yousuf when S Akhter was talking about how we fail to develop players regarding Sami Aslam drop. I'm sure everyone knows who he is referring to.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

It was a comment from M Yousuf when S Akhter was talking about how we fail to develop players regarding Sami Aslam drop. I'm sure everyone knows who he is referring to.

if he is refering to MISBAH ... then i used to say this all the time... MOYO is also using pp i guess..

 

[MRSN]

if he is refering to MISBAH ... then i used to say this all the time... MOYO is also using pp i guess..

The one prime feature of Misbah's tenure as a captain has been his inconsistency regarding his players. He never backed players despite big potential if they were out of his group class.

 

[dildildalwalla]

The one prime feature of Misbah's tenure as a captain has been his inconsistency regarding his players. He never backed players despite big potential if they were out of his group class.

Really? Ajmal and then later Shah, Wahab, Azhar Ali, Shafiq, Sarfraz and YK have all been regular members of the test teams that have represented Pak for 2-3 years, if not longer. This is the most consistency I've seen in team selection, whether that is due to Misbah or someone in the pCB, I do not know but Pak have had an ok selection policy.

Yes dropping Aslam has been bad but he can come back and it may not all be down to Misbah, I'm sure MIckey and Inzy have bigger roles to play.

 

[Stallion__]

Coming from the worst captain to have led Pakistan team. It all started when Misbah was selected in Yousuf's place in 2007 T20 WC. Can't believe Yousuf has taken it this far.

 

[in_cutter]

Really? Ajmal and then later Shah, Wahab, Azhar Ali, Shafiq, Sarfraz and YK have all been regular members of the test teams that have represented Pak for 2-3 years, if not longer. This is the most consistency I've seen in team selection, whether that is due to Misbah or someone in the pCB, I do not know but Pak have had an ok selection policy.

Yes dropping Aslam has been bad but he can come back and it may not all be down to Misbah, I'm sure MIckey and Inzy have bigger roles to play.

This. [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] is obsessed with Misbah & Akmal bros.
[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] any views on selection of TTF's in the ODI squad? Who is responsible?

 

[dildildalwalla]

for as big a fan of Yousuf's batting as I am, as a pundit he is bitter, old and I think lonely. Yousuf just needs some friends.

 

[Adil_94]

he did develop a good Test team to get Number One. Just now that Team needs to rebuild. Yes in ODIs Misbah was guilty of too much favouritism to TTFs but in Tests he did a very good job.

 

[Ami]

Do ppl really take characters like MOYO seriously?
He was good to look at as a player, zero temprement, cant remember ever winning Pakistan anything, played for his records and when the going got tough he was the first to buckle!
We all know, he doesnt like Misbah.
Its just all petty.
Pathetic.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Absolutely right. Misbah prefers his friends over the future of Pakistan. Six years is a long time and all he could invest in was a mental midget and snail-paced opener whom he did not realize was an opener until he was forced to open.

 

[superman]

The best looking batsman to play for Pakistan but the most bitter person to play for Pakistan

 

[Farhansk]

The best looking batsman to play for Pakistan but the most bitter person to play for Pakistan

Yousaf couldn't match even half of Saeed Anwar's elegance.

 

[Syed1]

Moyo has an agenda against Misbah, but I don't see anything wrong with what he said here.


Misbah had 6 years of complete command to develop a side, instead he kept playing his friends and even dropped talented youngsters after one or two outings. Sami Aslam's dropping is a case in point.

 

[MRSN]

as usual everybody is shooting the messenger and not looking at the message. The point Yousuf raised and is a valid point that Misbah has always backed his group of players and saved their interests than backing youngsters with potential. The most recent example being discussed is the replacement of Sami Aslam with really ordinary player Shan Masood who replaced Ahmed Shehzad a year back despite Shehzad had a wonderful 12 months of test cricket.

 

[MRSN]

Really? Ajmal and then later Shah, Wahab, Azhar Ali, Shafiq, Sarfraz and YK have all been regular members of the test teams that have represented Pak for 2-3 years, if not longer. This is the most consistency I've seen in team selection, whether that is due to Misbah or someone in the pCB, I do not know but Pak have had an ok selection policy.

Yes dropping Aslam has been bad but he can come back and it may not all be down to Misbah, I'm sure MIckey and Inzy have bigger roles to play.

first of all let me tell you this thing Yasir Shah was out of the blue selection and was forced on Misbah by selectors after Rehman got banned due to drugs and Ajmal illegal action. So this credit goes to selectors not Misbah who loved to bowl Ajmal and Zulifqar every game he captained.

YK nothing to say.

Wahab has been pretty ordinary and feeding on our spinners success on UAE. He goes into hiding as soon as his real test comes on better pitches where spinners don't have much of a say. He was taken for the highest run scored against a Pakistani bowler not too long ago.

Misbah has rarely tried and backed young players in the team and that will always go against him as a valid criticism whether you like it or not.

 

[Sherlock]

Said it before when he got picked for the ODI's...it may well disrupt his Test spot and his technique too.

It's done the former, and may have done the latter too.

 

[MenInG]

Leave the thread starter alone and concentrate on the argument etc

 

[in_cutter]

All thanks to Inzi the revolutionary. Will not be surprised if he recalls the class of 2007 to the Test squad

 

[ExplicitAI]

I never watched Yousuf bat in my life but this guy is too bitter. Appreciate what Misbah's done and leave.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

i think he referred it to the ODI team which he failed but put it for sami aslam in tests which turned a bit confusing.. not sure thou...

 

[dildildalwalla]

first of all let me tell you this thing Yasir Shah was out of the blue selection and was forced on Misbah by selectors after Rehman got banned due to drugs and Ajmal illegal action. So this credit goes to selectors not Misbah who loved to bowl Ajmal and Zulifqar every game he captained.

YK nothing to say.

Wahab has been pretty ordinary and feeding on our spinners success on UAE. He goes into hiding as soon as his real test comes on better pitches where spinners don't have much of a say. He was taken for the highest run scored against a Pakistani bowler not too long ago.

Misbah has rarely tried and backed young players in the team and that will always go against him as a valid criticism whether you like it or not.

It's not about me liking it. I am stating facts, you are sttaing your personal dislike of him. once again, someone not discussing cricket but instead a personal grudge.

 

[Big Mac]

Moyo has an agenda against Misbah, but I don't see anything wrong with what he said here.


Misbah had 6 years of complete command to develop a side,

 

[Messiah]

Misbah was a failure as a captain and as a player

 

[KhanNn]

It was a comment from M Yousuf when S Akhter was talking about how we fail to develop players regarding Sami Aslam drop. I'm sure everyone knows who he is referring to.

Don't understand why he is so bitter towards Misbah

 

[Ramez]

MOYO undoubtedly was one of the top 5 bestmen pak have ever produced but i think he is a very bitter person. Remember the ramiz raja incident on tv where he used a language one wud think a thousand times before utterng such words although ramiz raja too was guilty. Misbah no doubt has had many negatives in his career but he did build a solid test team for many years that competed againist best sides.

 

[junoonis]

Honestly I don't get PP members obsession with Sami Aslam, I've seen him play in England and later in Australia and let me tell you there is nothing special in his game. If blocking unlimited amount of balls to score a 50 sounds interesting to you then we'll fail as a team which can dominate oppositions. He has shown no progress from one series to another, in fact he gone from somewhat average to really bad in Australia. We don't need such player, we need an opener who can get to opposition face and play with guts and confidence. I don't mind opener averaging 35+ in test, gives us good start and hit a 120 balls hundred once in a while. He will win us more matches than someone like Sami aslam playing with strike rate of 35.

 

[moghul]

Misbah was a failure as a captain and as a player

We wasted so many years under Misbah.

 

[Syed1]

Honestly I don't get PP members obsession with Sami Aslam, I've seen him play in England and later in Australia and let me tell you there is nothing special in his game. If blocking unlimited amount of balls to score a 50 sounds interesting to you then we'll fail as a team which can dominate oppositions. He has shown no progress from one series to another, in fact he gone from somewhat average to really bad in Australia. We don't need such player, we need an opener who can get to opposition face and play with guts and confidence. I don't mind opener averaging 35+ in test, gives us good start and hit a 120 balls hundred once in a while. He will win us more matches than someone like Sami aslam playing with strike rate of 35.

I don't like Sami Aslam either and think he is a glorified nightwatchman, but they replaced him with Shan Masood and Ahmed Shehzad both batsmen who are even inferior than Aslam.

 

[Square Drive]

Like it or not, MoYo is spot on.

 

[shaz619]

Our test side had been largely settled and we have Misbah who played a big role in that enroute to our no.1 ranking; he has also left us with Shafiq and Azhar who are the best replacements for the two senior members of the team ready to take the role of leading our batting line up at the test level. However, when it comes to ODI's Moyo may have a point.

 

[Big Mac]

Our test side had been largely settled and we have Misbah who played a big role in that enroute to our no.1 ranking; he has also left us with Shafiq and Azhar who are the best replacements for the two senior members of the team ready to take the role of leading our batting line up at the test level. However, when it comes to ODI's Moyo may have a point.

Yeah, the ODI side now is full of new and exciting young batsmen now that Misbah is no longer around to select his pals.

*Checks scorecard for last game*

*Sees Kamran Akmal, Shezhad, Hafeez, Malik, Junaid Khan*

Oh yeah, that's yet another lie that has become truth after being repeated non-stop.

Or is Misbah still selecting the ODI teams two years after retiring from the format?

 

[MMHS]

MoYo is a bitter guy & his education doesn't help him expressing his grudge tactfully.

What he is saying indeed has some merit, but Misbah isn't responsible for that alone - the whole system backs useless seniors & whose who; Misbah just took best advantage of that, because he is intelligent enough to realize what can keep his chair safe, which obviously MoYo couldn't. Besides, MoYo was part of that clan, which debuted in total 3 players in 4 years, one of them Abdur Rehman, after into his 10th year or so in domestics & other two were dropped after 1 match.

 

[shaz619]

Yeah, the ODI side now is full of new and exciting young batsmen now that Misbah is no longer around to select his pals.

*Checks scorecard for last game*

*Sees Kamran Akmal, Shezhad, Hafeez, Malik, Junaid Khan*

Oh yeah, that's yet another lie that has become truth after being repeated non-stop.

Or is Misbah still selecting the ODI teams two years after retiring from the format?

If a man couldn't develop a team in 6 yeas how can you expect him to in one series Biggie

 

[superman]

Yousaf couldn't match even half of Saeed Anwar's elegance.

Very very close imo

 

[Ab Fan]

As usual, Yousuf with his usual bitter points:

FTB
Minnow Basher
King of soft meaningless runs
Terrible captain
Bitter person and doesn't know how to talk/debate/argue

Overall, a pretty unforgettable cricketer with no guts and heart.

 

[Big Mac]

As usual, Yousuf with his usual bitter points:

FTB
Minnow Basher
King of soft meaningless runs
Terrible captain
Bitter person and doesn't know how to talk/debate/argue

Overall, a pretty unforgettable cricketer with no guts and heart.

Yousuf's career as a pundit has been so reprehensible that he managed to get into a beef with Ramiz Raja and Ramiz came out looking like the smart one.

 

[RickyG]

The irony of this argument is that in his brief tenure as test captain, Yousuf was successful in destroying Fawad Alam's test career. To the point that he recalled Faisal Iqbal to replace Fawad.

That being said, I don't think Misbah alone picks the squad. I don't think the selectors were keen on Sami Aslam which is a shame because I think there's potential there.

And it's also unfair to argue that Misbah didn't develop the team. This team has a strong core considering the depleted talent in Pakistan these days. Yasir Shah, Asad Shafiq, Sarfraz and Azhar Ali were all developed under Misbah. Mohammad Hafeez also averaged 40+ under Misbah which no other opener has done in Pakistan over an extended period. Not even the poster boy of PakPassion, Salman Butt.

 

[moghul]

Like it or not, MoYo is spot on.

I agree.

 

[superman]

As usual, Yousuf with his usual bitter points:

FTB
Minnow Basher
King of soft meaningless runs
Terrible captain
Bitter person and doesn't know how to talk/debate/argue

Overall, a pretty unforgettable cricketer with no guts and heart.

Now who is being bitter, he may be a terrible person but he was a class batsman, Misbah as just a batsman does not come close to him

 

[Stallion__]

People are behaving as if there is a trend of captains building teams in Pakistan and Misbah is the only one who have failed to do so. We didn't have a single visionary captain since Imran and the focus has always been to get short term results and to fortify your position as a captain.

And yes, who says what both things matters. The statement would have been taken differently had it come from Mushtaq Muhammad, Imran or even Wasim.

 

[Speedster777]

Misbah was never worthy of being selected in the ODI team. He got lucky because of the spot fixing fiasco. The fact that we' still don't have proper openers is because of Misbah preferring his friend Hafeez all these years as an opener and now we're in a situation where we've to recall kamran and Shehzad as no other youngster was given a chance to settle as an opener for us. Even if Tests, instead of giving chance to youngster he tried his buddy Azhar as a make shift opener to keep the door open for Hafeez selection. Our One Day side was ruined because of him and and even our Test side has no settled openers or young middle order batsmen after Misbah/Younis retire.

 

[Speedster777]

Imran Khan is a legend because he built a team of match winners. Misbah has been falsely given titles of "great captain" which is a joke because great captains build teams for the future. He's just a mediocre player nothing more.

 

[Bilal7]

Azhar, Shafiq, Ajmal, Shah, Junaid, Shah, Shehzad, Masood, Sarfaraz, Babar, Haris and Irfan were all given a chance by Misbah and developed into good cricketers who have all won at least few matches for the country. Some of their careers are over now but most of them will continue to play for Pakistan and Misbah has done well by leaving the fate of the team in their hands.

He couldn't develop as many middle order batsmen because with Azhar, Younis, Shafiq and Misbah himself in the team, where would that middle-order batsman play? Not every talented player gets a shot at the highest stage. That is the sad fact of professional sport.

 

[Square Drive]

Yeah, the ODI side now is full of new and exciting young batsmen now that Misbah is no longer around to select his pals.

*Checks scorecard for last game*

*Sees Kamran Akmal, Shezhad, Hafeez, Malik, Junaid Khan*

Oh yeah, that's yet another lie that has become truth after being repeated non-stop.

Or is Misbah still selecting the ODI teams two years after retiring from the format?

Junaid Khan is not a batsman.

Atleast troll properly.

 

[Madplayer]

Pakistan's test team under Misbah was great in subcontinent, below average to just about average in foreign conditions. But a boring team overall. Boring doesnt mean bad. Hope to see flair along with good results from the guys who come in next.

 

[shariqnoor]

I would take another stint at world number 1 in Tests by ANY captain even if it means he leaves no team for the future. Misbah has supported Azhar/Asad/Sarfraz through thick and thin and people here thinks he didn't leave a team. Any other captain would've dropped Shafiq and got in Umar Akmal.

 

[Big Mac]

Junaid Khan is not a batsman.

Atleast troll properly.

I edited my post to add Junaid Khan after I scrolled further down the team sheet. No fast bowler played more ODIs under Misbah than Junaid Khan did, therefore he has to be one of Misbah's pals too right?

And remember, I was responding to a post that claimed:

Misbah had 6 years of complete command to develop a side

So let's take a look at how he abused this complete command by examining the three batsmen that played most regularly under Misbah in ODIs (Other than himself of course) and contrasting it with how much it has changed in the two years since his retirement:

1) Mohammad Hafeez - Still in the team, ranked the 2nd best All-Rounder in one day cricket.

2) Umar Akmal - HANG ON A MINUTE! Misbah hates Umar Akmal because he's talented and aggressive! So how come only Hafeez, Afridi and Ajmal played more ODIs under Misbah than Junior did?

3) Ahmed Shezhad - Still in the team. More talented than Tendulkar.


So we've got two guys who are in the team right now and one person that most Misbah critics want to be selected.

Next, let's look at the three bowlers who played the most ODIs under Misbah. (Not counting Afridi as he was in the team for his luxurious hair rather than his batting or bowling)

1) Ajmal - Would anyone not select a bowler (chucker?) who averaged less than 20?

2) Junaid Khan - Averaged 24 with the ball and look at that, he's still in the team in 2017.

3) Mohammed Irfan - Under Misbah 28 at a strike rate that was better than Wasim's career strike rate. Only argument against his selection is the fact that he is made of glass.


So make up your minds, either he had complete command and selected the best players or he was stuck with the same players that selectors continue to pick, in which case you've all spent five years talking spouting utter BS.

Now let's look at the five players who received the most test caps under Misbah:

1) Asad Shafiq - Integral part of the test team

2) Younis Khan - Well duh

3) Azhar Ali - Invaluable part of the team. Average 62 as a test opener under Misbah.

4) Mohammad Hafeez - This one is a bit hit and miss but hard to stick your nose up at a batting average of 42 and a bowling average of 31.

5) Sarfraz Ahmed - Wicket keeper who averages 45 and is set to become the next captain.

Out of that group of Misbah's mates, four out of that five can't be replaced under any circumstances.

But yeah, let's keep repeating this rubbish and pretend that I'M the troll here

 

[yasir]

Misbah had 6 years, he clearly value experience, discipline more than youth and risk that comes with it. One disadvantage Misbah had (to be fair) was playing in UAE and mostly in Asia, that means he and team does not have to come out of their comfort zone and diversify. But even than Misbah could see the results in LOIs series, which we were loosing left and right even in UAE, with million of spinners. Its not like late last was the only time of wake up call, writing was on the wall long before.

This brand of Cricket does not have long life in Pakistan, not to mention ranking and quality cannot be improved by injecting below average and older players who are easy to mange. You have to invest in youth and flair even in test team. Plus young and fast bowlers got to be the name of the game, we cannot become India, who rely heavily on spinner thought out their history. Pakistan in Misbah Era has become India 1.0 for most part, which was a backward step rather than forward, we cannot be a spin dominating team, this is short term thinking and will(if its not already) is killing Cricket in Pakistan. Part of the reason Misbah did it was selfish, they(Misah and YK) both are excellent players of spin and were old, to survive in international Cricket that was great ploy, but OCB has to take a look at bigger picture, this India 1.0 brand does not match history and culture of Pakistani Cricket, you are killing the golden goose. You have to look at future, by building on fast bowlers (Pakistan 2.0 Brand) and batsmen with flair, its hard but only way to ensure Cricket survives!!

 

[MRSN]

Misbah was never worthy of being selected in the ODI team. He got lucky because of the spot fixing fiasco. The fact that we' still don't have proper openers is because of Misbah preferring his friend Hafeez all these years as an opener and now we're in a situation where we've to recall kamran and Shehzad as no other youngster was given a chance to settle as an opener for us. Even if Tests, instead of giving chance to youngster he tried his buddy Azhar as a make shift opener to keep the door open for Hafeez selection. Our One Day side was ruined because of him and and even our Test side has no settled openers or young middle order batsmen after Misbah/Younis retire.

The biggest tragedy Pakistan faced in its cricket was making someone captain for next four years who played that selfish knock on that great stage. Look at his strike rate when he was captain...in the 60s. Thats got to be one of the worst for any player playing that long.

 

[MRSN]

Also one of the main point some people keep forgetting is Misbah pushed Pakistan cricket back into stone ages. There was neither any flair nor anyone tried to match modern ODI skills captain leading by front gave millions of excuses about his style of play..not only that he had to back players with batting approach like his. Whenever history will be written why Pakistan left behind other teams in terms of modern day cricket Misbah will definitely mentioned with big colors.

 

[BD-fan]

People are behaving as if there is a trend of captains building teams in Pakistan and .....

Boom!!! Game, Set, and Match.

 

[Ab Fan]

Now who is being bitter, he may be a terrible person but he was a class batsman, Misbah as just a batsman does not come close to him

Very good batsmen across all formats but overall a very bad example if you are looking for him as an inspiration or idol.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yousuf's career as a pundit has been so reprehensible that he managed to get into a beef with Ramiz Raja and Ramiz came out looking like the smart one.

That was a terrible beef. You just dont expect a player of world class level to argue and mess up the way Moyo did in that whole incident.

 

[omorst7]

for as big a fan of Yousuf's batting as I am, as a pundit he is bitter, old and I think lonely. Yousuf just needs some friends.

Same here!! I was a big fan of MoYo batting style!! Among the pak players he had the nicest batting style along with Saeed Anwar!!! but as a man!!!!!! Just bull.....!! Whenever open the mouth delivers some crap! Just annoying!!!!!

 

[ocfan]

Even then he succeeds in taking us to No.1 in ranking. Hats off to Sir Misbah.

 

[waleed88]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/473921.html

2011 squad for Pakistan...

as you can see a completely revamped bowling lineup, with a different opening pair... the core middle order being the same until now..

However both Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq suffered tremendous dips of form, and looked to be out of the test squad, however Misbah stuck on with them.

Another notable absentee is Sarfraz Ahmed, the would be captain after Misbah...

Moyo's claims need to be backed by logic