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If Ahmed Shehzad had not been Pakistani?

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If he had not been Pakistani, would he have made it to the national team?

Would he have just been an average joe in domestic cricket?

Would the Board have put up with his attitude?

Would the coaches have improved him?

Would he have been a regular pick in all 3 formats?
 
I don't think he would've been Pakistani actaully. I think he probably would have moved to the middle east to make an international career or he could have continued taking selfies and become an Instagram success.
 
He would've fulfilled his true potential and would've been on par with Kohli and Smith
 
Most likely he would be far away from the national side. You can say what you like about Pakistan's management of players but the most important thing is attitude and ego. To be an international cricketer you can't get away with discipline like he has shown.
 
Virat Kohli would have been copying Shehzad rather than the other way round
 
Interested to hear why people think that he would have fulfilled his potential if he had not been Pakistani?
 
Other teams would’ve sorted out his discipline and not given him a free pass. He shouldn’t ever play for Pakistan again. Regressed badly and attitude is allegedly poor too.
 
He would still suck. Coaches can't do anything if you're not willing to try.
 
TBH he is an average batsman, comparing Shehzad to Kohli and and Smith is a joke. If he would been a non Pakistani, he would have played some FC matches and would have never made it to the national team.
 
If the PCB felt he had potential then they should have got him special training, mentoring (not from Afridi) and protected their investment.
 
Saj said:
Interested to hear why people think that he would have fulfilled his potential if he had not been Pakistani?
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I remember you mentioning about his terrible attitude from your own personal experience even way before he made his international debut.
 
MenInG said:
If the PCB felt he had potential then they should have got him special training, mentoring (not from Afridi) and protected their investment.
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Yet they went with failed investments like Azhar and Shafiq. I never understood why he got removed as a test opener.
 
Slim said:
Yet they went with failed investments like Azhar and Shafiq. I never understood why he got removed as a test opener.
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Failed investments?PCB was better in investing on Azhar and Shafiq.Shehzad has played 150 international games and was proven a failure,like Umar Akmal.
 
If Ahmed Shehzad was not Pakistani he would be the delivery driver for Dominoes Pizza and I am being very kind here
 
If he had not been Pakistani, would he have made it to the national team? No

Would he have just been an average joe in domestic cricket? In some leagues. In England/Australia/India/New Zealand/South Africa he'd be unemployed

Would the Board have put up with his attitude? Moot point. No board would ever have picked him for the national side.

Would the coaches have improved him? Mickey is regarded as one of the best, and he couldn't. Coaches can't teach him technique, and no one can help his low cricketing IQ.

Would he have been a regular pick in all 3 formats? No, see board point above.
 
Hasan123 said:
No other cricket board with put up with his antics and attitude.
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The PCB has been prone to pampering players and giving into them and that spoils the players.

I recall speaking with a former member of the Pakistan coaching staff about an incident a few years ago at a coaching session. The coaching staff were making players do shuttle runs and other fitness work, when Ahmed Shehzad wasn't happy and stopped. He walked off - the coaching staff told him to come back, but he went and told a PCB official that he was not continuing. The PCB official then backed Shehzad and told the coaching staff that they should not ask Ahmed to carry on with the coaching session.
 
Saj said:
The PCB has been prone to pampering players and giving into them and that spoils the players.

I recall speaking with a former member of the Pakistan coaching staff about an incident a few years ago at a coaching session. The coaching staff were making players do shuttle runs and other fitness work, when Ahmed Shehzad wasn't happy and stopped. He walked off - the coaching staff told him to come back, but he went and told a PCB official that he was not continuing. The PCB official then backed Shehzad and told the coaching staff that they should not ask Ahmed to carry on with the coaching session.
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Just for this I hope he never plays for us again let alone him bring awful.
 
Saj said:
The PCB has been prone to pampering players and giving into them and that spoils the players.

I recall speaking with a former member of the Pakistan coaching staff about an incident a few years ago at a coaching session. The coaching staff were making players do shuttle runs and other fitness work, when Ahmed Shehzad wasn't happy and stopped. He walked off - the coaching staff told him to come back, but he went and told a PCB official that he was not continuing. The PCB official then backed Shehzad and told the coaching staff that they should not ask Ahmed to carry on with the coaching session.
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The BCCI would kick such a player so hard on his backside, he'd start playing baseball instead.
 
Wouldn’t have been anywhere near a cricket bat post 2014.

That’s a big IF considering his nonesensical approach to professional conduct which would be a certain deathwish amongst more elaborate boards.
 
Saj said:
The PCB has been prone to pampering players and giving into them and that spoils the players.

I recall speaking with a former member of the Pakistan coaching staff about an incident a few years ago at a coaching session. The coaching staff were making players do shuttle runs and other fitness work, when Ahmed Shehzad wasn't happy and stopped. He walked off - the coaching staff told him to come back, but he went and told a PCB official that he was not continuing. The PCB official then backed Shehzad and told the coaching staff that they should not ask Ahmed to carry on with the coaching session.
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He should have been punished severely for that. He knows he will get away with his antics that's why he has such a poor attitude.
 
He would be working in a takeaway had he not been a Cricketer Pakistani or not. Only we keep giving chances to "talented" players who rarely deliver.
 
I think we all know or have encountered an Ahmed Shehzad in real life. Be it a co-worker, some guy serving us fast food, some random passerby...

That's to say he'd be an ordinary citizen with a mundane job to get by.
 
He would have never played international cricket. Simple as that. No other team would take this one dimensional guy. Players like him can be found warming the bench in domestic leagues in England and Australia.
We need to stop making it look like he was ‘mishandled’ by PCB. He is crap. Can’t take singles or anything. Only thing he can do is give fielding practice to offside fielders and an ugly release shot which we barely connects.
Pretty sure he would have never played a single international match if he was not a Paistani.
 
Hasan123 said:
He should have been punished severely for that. He knows he will get away with his antics that's why he has such a poor attitude.
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That's the problem when you have officials and some senior players backing you up all the time.
 
Slim said:
He would have fulfilled his actual potential.
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So he wouldn't have been part of international cricket at all? Because that's what his actual potential is
 
Shehzad came in to the international scene with potential and a flaring style of batting. It was under Misbah he regressed really badly as his attitude changed and his passion took a hit. He wasn't aggressive anymore and he became boring to watch. If he wasn't Pakistani, he might have not had to play under Misbah and if given the chances if brought to the international team, he may have not regressed like he did.

The way you play has a lot to do with the leadership you play under. I am a huge Misbah fan and I respect him a lot; but it's clear the style of the team and many individuals changed under Misbah and we became a defensive team. Our slow batting is notorious around the world because of this reason. It was under Misbah that the world modernized in batting and we got left behind.

And Shehzad is one of the players that became a Misbah and with his selfish opening batting and wasting the opening powerplay, Pakistan fell behind other teams and is now suffering the aftermath. If you don't start something well, it's tough to transition into something well.
 
hafizexpress said:
Shehzad came in to the international scene with potential and a flaring style of batting. It was under Misbah he regressed really badly as his attitude changed and his passion took a hit. He wasn't aggressive anymore and he became boring to watch. If he wasn't Pakistani, he might have not had to play under Misbah and if given the chances if brought to the international team, he may have not regressed like he did.

The way you play has a lot to do with the leadership you play under. I am a huge Misbah fan and I respect him a lot; but it's clear the style of the team and many individuals changed under Misbah and we became a defensive team. Our slow batting is notorious around the world because of this reason. It was under Misbah that the world modernized in batting and we got left behind.

And Shehzad is one of the players that became a Misbah and with his selfish opening batting and wasting the opening powerplay, Pakistan fell behind other teams and is now suffering the aftermath. If you don't start something well, it's tough to transition into something well.
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Misbah was traumatized by the batting collapses that the heroes of Pakistan Cricket would suffer on a regular basis in the first part of his career. Which is the reason he adopted a safety first approach when he became the head honcho.

But to argue that he is solely responsible for Shehzad’s decline when it has been THREE years since he retired, does not offer a valid reasoning for his failures as an international batsman.
 
hafizexpress said:
Shehzad came in to the international scene with potential and a flaring style of batting. It was under Misbah he regressed really badly as his attitude changed and his passion took a hit. He wasn't aggressive anymore and he became boring to watch. If he wasn't Pakistani, he might have not had to play under Misbah and if given the chances if brought to the international team, he may have not regressed like he did.

The way you play has a lot to do with the leadership you play under. I am a huge Misbah fan and I respect him a lot; but it's clear the style of the team and many individuals changed under Misbah and we became a defensive team. Our slow batting is notorious around the world because of this reason. It was under Misbah that the world modernized in batting and we got left behind.

And Shehzad is one of the players that became a Misbah and with his selfish opening batting and wasting the opening powerplay, Pakistan fell behind other teams and is now suffering the aftermath. If you don't start something well, it's tough to transition into something well.
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I disagree.Shehzad(and Umar Akmal)had his best years under Misbah.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...d-Shehzad-under-different-captains&highlight=
 
hafizexpress said:
Shehzad came in to the international scene with potential and a flaring style of batting. It was under Misbah he regressed really badly as his attitude changed and his passion took a hit. He wasn't aggressive anymore and he became boring to watch. If he wasn't Pakistani, he might have not had to play under Misbah and if given the chances if brought to the international team, he may have not regressed like he did.

The way you play has a lot to do with the leadership you play under. I am a huge Misbah fan and I respect him a lot; but it's clear the style of the team and many individuals changed under Misbah and we became a defensive team. Our slow batting is notorious around the world because of this reason. It was under Misbah that the world modernized in batting and we got left behind.

And Shehzad is one of the players that became a Misbah and with his selfish opening batting and wasting the opening powerplay, Pakistan fell behind other teams and is now suffering the aftermath. If you don't start something well, it's tough to transition into something well.
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This is such a load of crap

Shehzad was a very limited and very slow player LONG before Misbah became captain
 
ManFan said:
Misbah was traumatized by the batting collapses that the heroes of Pakistan Cricket would suffer on a regular basis in the first part of his career. Which is the reason he adopted a safety first approach when he became the head honcho.

But to argue that he is solely responsible for Shehzad’s decline when it has been THREE years since he retired, does not offer a valid reasoning for his failures as an international batsman.
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Misbah is not the only reason Shehzad declined if that is what I made it look like then my bad. However I do believe Misbah contributed to his stunted growth. Otherwise Shehzad was heavily responsible for his own dip!
 
He wouldn't have made it to any national team, would probably compete for a spot in a minnow team, still don't see how he'd make it.
 
He wouldn't have been heard of. There are lots of players in Indian domestic circuit with great averages who never played for India.
 
He would have been a drama actor if he was lucky. Otherwise he would have been a youtubr or instagram "sensation" like Nasir khan Jan.
 
If he was a British Pakistani, he would be playing in one of the take away leagues and driving Uber.
 
If he were a Bangladeshi he would have been ranked as the most talented most promising batsman in the history of Bangladesh but after 61 tests and178 ODIs he would have averaged 22 and 24 in both these formats!! Asraful rocks :wenger
 
The real question is 'If Ahmed Shehzad had not been Ahmed Shehzad, how far would he have got?'

And the answer is still: Not very far because he can't rotate strike
 
Salman said:
If he was a British Pakistani, he would be playing in one of the take away leagues and driving Uber.
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lol, I was about to type the same thing but you beat me to it..lol..in the UK he would be a footnote in some God forsaken league and would be a regular on PP with dreams of grandeur.
 
In one of his first ever tours Ahmed Shehzad was in trouble.

The tour was an A tour to Kenya and he was caught in a nightclub, breaking a curfew.

No proper action was taken against him and ever since then he has been a 'problem child'.

Perhaps if he had been disciplined early in his career, things would not have turned out the way they have.
 
Saj said:
In one of his first ever tours Ahmed Shehzad was in trouble.

The tour was an A tour to Kenya and he was caught in a nightclub, breaking a curfew.

No proper action was taken against him and ever since then he has been a 'problem child'.

Perhaps if he had been disciplined early in his career, things would not have turned out the way they have.
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I read about that nightclub incident and the first thing that comes to my mind is that it’s only a rumour. How can a child be allowed entry into a nightclub??
 
It's not as if people are coming up with incidents from thin air.

He should stop giving those with the ability to publish his failures the opportunities to do so.

Both Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad are grown men who have become husbands and fathers. They have been given ample time and responsibility but they have not returned it in good faith with the performances expected of them.
 
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I remember that when he got his 6th ODI hundred against New Zealand back in 2014, I had a look at his record and saw him having 6 100s in only 54 games. I immediately looked at Kohli's record (as benchmark) and saw that he scored his 6 in 64 games. I naturally was very pleased and sincerely expected that some areas of his game which are flawed can be worked upon and we have a good opener in the long run. He seemed to have the flair and confidence. Another thing I so desperately wanted was that a modern Pakistani player crosses 10 ODI hundreds, which unfortunately was the no. of 100s Inzi and Ijaz had got and they were no.3 in all time century scorers for Pakistan. Many player have 6-7 100s but haven't kicked on from there.

Since then, Shehzad haven't added to his tally (I hope I did not jinxed him as I was also very excited when Salman Butt got his 8th Hundred in 2009 and I dug into his stats happy that he'll get plenty more 100s- He is still stuck on 8 as of now). More than the lack of runs, it was Shehzad's declining game which has caused upset among many of us. His strike rotation was always a problem and he never could improve it despite being a regular at international level. His game has been limited to swatting the ball straight to the fielder on the off side, attempting wild hoicks on the leg side and follow a boundary by chewing up balls for nothing or vice versa, eventually departing for a sub 20 score.

He is 26 now. I still hope that somehow, someone motivates and directs him well enough for him to commit himself to his career. Just hoping he puts his head down and works his pants off for the next 2 years and then earn his place back in the side as a changed player. He has the relevant experience to work his way back. I doubt this will ever happen but we don't ever know when can change strike.
 
hafizexpress said:
Shehzad came in to the international scene with potential and a flaring style of batting. It was under Misbah he regressed really badly as his attitude changed and his passion took a hit. He wasn't aggressive anymore and he became boring to watch. If he wasn't Pakistani, he might have not had to play under Misbah and if given the chances if brought to the international team, he may have not regressed like he did.

The way you play has a lot to do with the leadership you play under. I am a huge Misbah fan and I respect him a lot; but it's clear the style of the team and many individuals changed under Misbah and we became a defensive team. Our slow batting is notorious around the world because of this reason. It was under Misbah that the world modernized in batting and we got left behind.

And Shehzad is one of the players that became a Misbah and with his selfish opening batting and wasting the opening powerplay, Pakistan fell behind other teams and is now suffering the aftermath. If you don't start something well, it's tough to transition into something well.
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If all fails, blame Misbah :virat
 
Sher Khan said:
I read about that nightclub incident and the first thing that comes to my mind is that it’s only a rumour. How can a child be allowed entry into a nightclub??
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Look at his pictures on that tour - we have some in the PP gallery, he did not look like a child.

He was spotted by a jounalist there and some local people of Pakistani descent.
 
Saj said:
In one of his first ever tours Ahmed Shehzad was in trouble.

The tour was an A tour to Kenya and he was caught in a nightclub, breaking a curfew.

No proper action was taken against him and ever since then he has been a 'problem child'.

Perhaps if he had been disciplined early in his career, things would not have turned out the way they have.
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To be fair to Ahmed Shehzad, he doesn't make half the ruckus behind the scenes in comparison to Umar Akmal. The funny thing is that Umar Akmal perhaps had more ability than Shehzad but these 2 individiuals have the complete opposite problems.

Umar Akmal just does not have the discipline needed of the field in terms of training, practicing and ironing out chinks in his armour whereas Shehzad is probably one of the fitter Pakistani players, he does do the hard yards when it comes to keeping himself fit but does not have much talent or ability.
 
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