"If ICC DRC rules in our favour, then India must play with us in new FTP programme" : Najam Sethi

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"If ICC DRC rules in our favour, then India must play with us in new FTP programme" : Najam Sethi

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is ready to accept any ruling of the International Cricket Council (ICC) Disputes Resolution Committee but wants Indo-Pak bilateral series be added to the Future Tours Programme (FTP) for 2019-2023 if it wins the case.

PCB chief, Najam Sethi who returned home after attending several meetings of the ICC Executive Board and other committees in Kolkata, told the media that Pakistan had signed the FTP documents conditionally. "We have made it clear that if the ICC's Disputes Resolution Committee rules in our favour in October, then India must play against us in the new FTP programme," he said.

Sethi said he had signed the documents on the condition that if the ICC committee ruled in PCB's favour, matches against India would be added to the FTP. "Even if the result is otherwise we still have got confirmed around 123 matches in the new FTP so we have done well," he said.

The ICC gave a final shape to the FTP at the meeting in Kolkata but the current schedule does not include any Pakistan and India bilateral matches. The PCB has also filed a compensation case with the ICC, saying that the BCCI has not honoured an MoU signed in 2014.

The ICC has said its Disputes Resolution Committee will arrive at a verdict on the compensation claim of around USD 70 million by Pakistan after a four-day meet in Dubai in October. Sethi has exuded confidence that Pakistan can win the compensation case as its legal team has prepared a strong case against the BCCI.

"Our stance remains that the MoU signed between the two Boards in 2014 during the ICC meetings confirmed that both boards would play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023," the PCB Chairman said.

The BCCI has said the MoU is not a legally binding document and was conditional to Pakistan supporting the Big Three Governance system which has been dissolved now and that they had said they needed government clearance to play against Pakistan.
Sethi made it clear that Pakistan had no objections to playing against India but first the ICC will have to decide the case.


http://www.dnaindia.com/cricket/rep...ust-play-pakistan-if-it-wins-icc-case-2609901

 

[jadaja]

Give us something new Mr.Sethi.

 

[Peshwa]

So now ICC Will challenge Government of Indias decision not to play against Pakistan..

 

[rhony]

That's a smart demand and could be a checkmate to BCCI. If after elections, GOI and GOP sing peace tunes, there will be no excuse for BCCI to hide behind GOI. I also think PCB realized that the chances are bleak to win the compensation claim and are already looking into atleast securing the future.

 

[CadPakFan]

Here we go again...

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is ready to accept any ruling of the International Cricket Council (ICC) Disputes Resolution Committee but wants Indo-Pak bilateral series be added to the Future Tours Programme (FTP) for 2019-2023 if it wins the case.

PCB chief, Najam Sethi who returned home after attending several meetings of the ICC Executive Board and other committees in Kolkata, told the media that Pakistan had signed the FTP documents conditionally. "We have made it clear that if the ICC's Disputes Resolution Committee rules in our favour in October, then India must play against us in the new FTP programme," he said.

Sethi said he had signed the documents on the condition that if the ICC committee ruled in PCB's favour, matches against India would be added to the FTP. "Even if the result is otherwise we still have got confirmed around 123 matches in the new FTP so we have done well," he said.

The ICC gave a final shape to the FTP at the meeting in Kolkata but the current schedule does not include any Pakistan and India bilateral matches. The PCB has also filed a compensation case with the ICC, saying that the BCCI has not honoured an MoU signed in 2014.

The ICC has said its Disputes Resolution Committee will arrive at a verdict on the compensation claim of around USD 70 million by Pakistan after a four-day meet in Dubai in October. Sethi has exuded confidence that Pakistan can win the compensation case as its legal team has prepared a strong case against the BCCI.

"Our stance remains that the MoU signed between the two Boards in 2014 during the ICC meetings confirmed that both boards would play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023," the PCB Chairman said.

The BCCI has said the MoU is not a legally binding document and was conditional to Pakistan supporting the Big Three Governance system which has been dissolved now and that they had said they needed government clearance to play against Pakistan.
Sethi made it clear that Pakistan had no objections to playing against India but first the ICC will have to decide the case.


http://www.dnaindia.com/cricket/rep...ust-play-pakistan-if-it-wins-icc-case-2609901

Or we probably will get a compensation from the BCCI

I am expecting the decision to go in PCB favor and getting 20m dollars from this case

 

[Savak]

I think if the ICC rules against Pakistan, then Sethi will give up challenging the BCCI and the compensation claim will be terminated.

 

[USofA]

Or we probably will get a compensation from the BCCI

I am expecting the decision to go in PCB favor and getting 20m dollars from this case

Not sure if the ICC has agreed to Mr. Sethi's demand. There seems to be nothing related to this coming from the ICC or BCCI. Unless I missed something.

Another issue that I have not heard anything from the ICC is about the enforcement of the ruling. That part is still as clear as mud. No one seems to have asked them this key question.

So not sure how the PCB will get the $20 million that you think they will be awarded.

 

[USofA]

I think if the ICC rules against Pakistan, then Sethi will give up challenging the BCCI and the compensation claim will be terminated.

Absolutely. It has already been established that the ICC ruling will be final without appeals.

 

[Kazim_Pak86]

I'm posting this again this article is not credible, Sethi or PCB have other huge problems to look after than giving interview to indian publication to twist their statements.

Sethi's immediate concern is Emirates board and Post-election scenario.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Off topic slightly but if Imran Khan wins the election this summer will Sethi lose his job?

 

[ExpressPacer]

Off topic slightly but if Imran Khan wins the election this summer will Sethi lose his job?

Imran Khan isn't going to win the elections. It is impossible.

 

[KevinFern]

Btw, i got a genuine doubt. Isn't this DRC to rule on two series which didn't happen and not about future series?

 

[jadaja]

What will happen if ICC says they can't decide or go against PCB.

 

[AFM]

Honour the MOU

 

[Saj]

I can't see this going PCB's way.

Somehow, somewhere there will be a reason or some clause that will go against the PCB.

 

[Peshwa]

I can't see this going PCB's way.

Somehow, somewhere there will be a reason or some clause that will go against the PCB.

Yes thts for sure and possible reaction for that verdict of ICC will be as usual ICC=BCCI

 

[cricketjoshila]

Can the ICC DRC overrule the Govt of India?

 

[Savak]

I can't see this going PCB's way.

Somehow, somewhere there will be a reason or some clause that will go against the PCB.

I read reports in the news a few days ago where the ICC officials were pleading with the BCCI and even wanted to meet Indian Govt officials to request them to allow cricketing ties b/w India and Pakistan because even the ICC was facing losses due to the absence of Indo-Pak ties in the last 10 years.

 

[B_Positive]

Ha ha ha Well we can only laugh, nothing is gonna happen....

 

[Gubol123]

I read reports in the news a few days ago where the ICC officials were pleading with the BCCI and even wanted to meet Indian Govt officials to request them to allow cricketing ties b/w India and Pakistan because even the ICC was facing losses due to the absence of Indo-Pak ties in the last 10 years.

What loss. They play in all ICC tournaments..

 

[AFM]

Can the ICC DRC overrule the Govt of India?

Modi better watch out. Manhor bhai is planning a visit

 

[Saj]

I read reports in the news a few days ago where the ICC officials were pleading with the BCCI and even wanted to meet Indian Govt officials to request them to allow cricketing ties b/w India and Pakistan because even the ICC was facing losses due to the absence of Indo-Pak ties in the last 10 years.

Yes but even that won't sway things as the Indian Govt. will not allow it to happen.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I read reports in the news a few days ago where the ICC officials were pleading with the BCCI and even wanted to meet Indian Govt officials to request them to allow cricketing ties b/w India and Pakistan because even the ICC was facing losses due to the absence of Indo-Pak ties in the last 10 years.

Why will ICC face lose? India Pakistan matches happen in ICC meets.

 

[MoJoJoJo]

em actually a big fan of sethi as a PCB chairman.. but why this guy is begging to play india.. he has done the right thing to take MOU matter to the ICC..but whats the point of playing INDIA when they dont even want to..

 

[Usman Chadda]

While I deplore BCCI's behaviour in this whole saga, how dumb is Sethi to think that ICC has any sway over the GOI? PCB is literally wasting money on a mistake they made four years ago. There is no way ICC rules in PCB's favour in this instance. I will be pleasantly surprised if PCB gets anything from this non-stop drama.

 

[Max Mojito]

I dont see Pakistan winning this. Lets say it all goes Sethi's way and BCCI has no choice but to "play a few games with Pakistan", they can just send a B team, the womens team, a junior team, or just tell all the players to defend every single ball. By doing this, broadcasters won't spend the big bucks, Pakistan will end up getting nothing and the BCCI would have completed its obligation to "play" a few games.

 

[Slim]

While i fully support PCB's quest to get what BCCI owes them for backstabbing and violating their promise. However, i also believe that once the DRC passes its judgement, we should never bring up India-Pakistan series ever again. I dont want us to ever talk about it. I dont care how many millions we wont make, we should not even talk about it.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

This is a lose lose situation for pcb...

 

[prisha]

Najam Sethi should stop now. This drama is becoming too much. Let the tribunal do its work if he believes in the system. Nothing good is going to come out of this whining/false bravado we are becoming sick of the statements coming out of his mouth.

 

[GrandMaster]

I find the current PCB management quite selfish, they are looking for short-term gain risking the lifetime opportunities and profit. It's like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

 

[giri26]

This is just getting tiring. Why can't they just wait for the ruling rather than giving statements every other week?

 

[English August]

This is just getting tiring. Why can't they just wait for the ruling rather than giving statements every other week?

Several reasons.

Oct is too far away and for the Pakistani cricket establishment there is nothing else going on. Cool kids are playing the IPL, so Pak needs to do / say something to remain in the news.

Secondly, Pakistani elections are around the corner. Beating up on India fetches political mileage in Pakistan. By the time Oct comes along, even if PCB loses in the DRC, elections would have been over. There could be new set of faces (or perhaps old set of recycled faces?) running the PCB. At that time who cares who said what, people have short memories. Dealing with BCCI / ICC would be someone else's headache. They can always blame the BCCI/ICC nexus if PCB loses.

 

[Slim]

Several reasons.

Oct is too far away and for the Pakistani cricket establishment there is nothing else going on. Cool kids are playing the IPL, so Pak needs to do / say something to remain in the news.

Secondly, Pakistani elections are around the corner. Beating up on India fetches political mileage in Pakistan. By the time Oct comes along, even if PCB loses in the DRC, elections would have been over. There could be new set of faces (or perhaps old set of recycled faces?) running the PCB. At that time who cares who said what, people have short memories. Dealing with BCCI / ICC would be someone else's headache. They can always blame the BCCI/ICC nexus if PCB loses.

Hahaha thanks for the morning chuckle. The amount of delusion dripping from this line is astounding.

Beating up on India fetches political mileage in Pakistan? You probably are confusing Indian politics with Pakistan.

Your post deserves to be on the onion considering the irony it contains.

 

[King-Misbah]

This Najam Sethi is an embarrassing old man. Stop begging!

 

[Gubol123]

This is just getting tiring. Why can't they just wait for the ruling rather than giving statements every other week?

you mean every other day?

 

[Balthazar]

Too much India-centric from this old PCB management. I guess they grew up watching India-Pakistan matches. I think PCB will be a lot better if they get rid of these oldies and bring in the youngsters.

 

[navin]

Aur kashkol toot gaya!

 

[syedahsan]

Sethi Saheb le it go! Why do we need to play India when India for whatever reasons does not want to play us. I mean have respect for Pakistan and for people of Pakistan. You requested first, then got humiliated and now running again pillar to post for matches against India. Our dignity is more imp than running behind Dollar money. This just reminds me of beggars or poor in India
or Pakistan who are watching people eating by streets in an open restaurants and when they try to approach these people ,busy eating, asking for food or money they get verbal beating or at times physical beatings. Then these beggars run to the next table asking for the same request. I mean "koi sharam hotey hai koi hya hotey hai"

 

[proud_pakistani]

Najam Sethi lives in a fools paradise. Even if PCB have some ruling in their favor there is no way India can play us without government clearance. I dont think any sports body can have that kind of influence/jurisdiction.

 

[squarecut]

There are some fans who are finding Najam Sethi's uttering quite praiseworthy. I fail to see how. His utterings amount to begging repeatedly despite getting rebuffed repeatedly.

 

[Itachi]

Najam Sethi lives in a fools paradise. Even if PCB have some ruling in their favor there is no way India can play us without government clearance. I dont think any sports body can have that kind of influence/jurisdiction.

It could be masterstroke for sethi. PCB gains or not, irrespective of the outcome, sethi will be a hero in people's eyes.

 

[Gubol123]

Sethi Saheb le it go! Why do we need to play India when India for whatever reasons does not want to play us. I mean have respect for Pakistan and for people of Pakistan. You requested first, then got humiliated and now running again pillar to post for matches against India. Our dignity is more imp than running behind Dollar money. This just reminds me of beggars or poor in India
or Pakistan who are watching people eating by streets in an open restaurants and when they try to approach these people ,busy eating, asking for food or money they get verbal beating or at times physical beatings. Then these beggars run to the next table asking for the same request. I mean "koi sharam hotey hai koi hya hotey hai"

I had a similar picture of small kids standing around a Benz car at a traffic signal. Those kids keep tapping the windows and the ones sitting inside doesn't want to put alms as theh know encouraging kids begging is not good. Nevertheless they end up giving something out of guilt. This is pathetic... I feel bad and I wish bcci/GOI pay/play something and end this misery. Pakistani janta and fans deserve more. From what I have known they are very proud and passionate about their country and cricket team

 

[Junaids]

Can the ICC DRC overrule the Govt of India?

Has the BCCI got a paper trail showing that it even asked permission from the government, let alone got rejected?

Nope, I thought not.

 

[Gubol123]

Has the BCCI got a paper trail showing that it even asked permission from the government, let alone got rejected?

Nope, I thought not.

And Indian decisions won't be made by a guy named Junaid on internet

 

[Junaids]

And Indian decisions won't be made by a guy named Junaid on internet

Do you remember what happened three December’s ago?

The PCB was expecting an Indian tour right up to January! The BCCI deliberately gave no reply to keep them on tenterhooks.

And then you have Shaharyar Khan’s return to his native India! Hosted in BCCI offices.

At no point on either occasion did the BCCI say to the PCB “the tour is off because the Government of India has forbidden it”.

No, they left the PCB hanging, unable to schedule anything else!

 

[Gubol123]

Do you remember what happened three December’s ago?

The PCB was expecting an Indian tour right up to January! The BCCI deliberately gave no reply to keep them on tenterhooks.

And then you have Shaharyar Khan’s return to his native India! Hosted in BCCI offices.

At no point on either occasion did the BCCI say to the PCB “the tour is off because the Government of India has forbidden it”.

No, they left the PCB hanging, unable to schedule anything else!

No one in GOI cares what happened last December. If PCB is dumb enough to expect that India will play cricket when it's citizens are dying in border they are dumb. The country you claim is yours haven't played cricket series in Zimbabwe for more than a decade now due to whatever reason its government gives after looting that country for decades. Please go picket against your country (the one that you Claim is yours)before making comments about other government policies. Change starts at home

 

[Send1983]

I find the current PCB management quite selfish, they are looking for short-term gain risking the lifetime opportunities and profit. It's like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

This. I don’t understand this. Why PCB is not thinking about long term? If BCCI pays 70m to PCB, but decides not to play series against Pak for ever. PCB is ok with it? 70m would give them financial security for several decades? At least now it’s all due to GOIs policy which can change anytime in next few years. But if BCCI gets upset and does not want any cricket anymore with PCB. How will PCB ask BCCI for a series after taking them to court and getting 70m from them?

 

[Itachi]

Do you remember what happened three December’s ago?

The PCB was expecting an Indian tour right up to January! The BCCI deliberately gave no reply to keep them on tenterhooks.

And then you have Shaharyar Khan’s return to his native India! Hosted in BCCI offices.

At no point on either occasion did the BCCI say to the PCB “the tour is off because the Government of India has forbidden it”.

No, they left the PCB hanging, unable to schedule anything else!

Emotions doesn't work well with logic.

BCCI isn't oblige to give a reply to PCB every time it asks the same question.

 

[Junaids]

Emotions doesn't work well with logic.

BCCI isn't oblige to give a reply to PCB every time it asks the same question.

Except the BCCI had an MOU to your Pakkstan at that time.

 

[Gubol123]

Emotions doesn't work well with logic.

BCCI isn't oblige to give a reply to PCB every time it asks the same question.

more importantly i don't understand why GOI Is answerable to anything that PCB or ICC does.. ICC is threading dangerously here.. if GOI feel they are being taken for granted, what stops them for refusing to provide security when India organizes any ICC event? or refuse to provide visas to Pak nationals? or Passport holders of other nations with Pak background? now will ICC impose on India's Visa policies? ICC is free to take away the hosting right from India, which honestly is good for BCCI as they get to keep their market to themselves. If the dont agree with GOI, there are numerous ways they will get into to trouble. Even the super powers like US and Russia have not been able to change India's foreign policy. If ICC thinks they can, they are in for a huge shock

GOI and BCCI might decide it is less headache to pay compensation (even if it is not due) or play matches. BUt that is entirely up to GOI and BCCI.. If Pak or any other government was in India's position it would have been entirely up to them too.. No international sports body gets to direct a sovereign. India is keeping its bilateral issues bilateral and not bringing that to ICC tournaments or other multilateral. ECB/AUS refused to tour Zimbabwe for years and have avoided playing them in the ICC tournaments too. what did ICC do? Why didn't the above poster who says he is from England protest and organize jalsasa to bring England team back to Zimbabwe.. does only white lives matter? or only white foreign policies matter? These guys needs to wake up and smell coffee...

 

[Gubol123]

Except the BCCI had an MOU to your Pakkstan at that time.

MOU means zilch to GOI... only people with zero real world experience will think they can force a sovereign govt to change their foreign policy because an organization registered as co-operative society has a MOU with another sporting body in an enemy country

 

[cricketjoshila]

Has the BCCI got a paper trail showing that it even asked permission from the government, let alone got rejected?

Nope, I thought not.

2015 BCCI writes to Indian govt for a series againist PCB.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/980038...t-for-pakistan-series-approval-sources/?amp=1

2017 Bcci rights to Govt for permission.

https://www.geo.tv/amp/135913




Indian deputy home minister on receiving BCCI's proposal and how its unlikely to be granted.

https://m.rediff.com/amp/cricket/re...-ties-bcci-not-in-touch-with-pcb/20170329.htm



https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...teral-series-in-current-scenario-1415369.html

Indian Sports Minister's statement.


https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricke...hairman/story-ATbJB6PJ2jnbIVLgiXG9FJ_amp.html

Shehryar Khan's statement saying BCCI tried to get Govt permission but was refused.

https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricke...hairman/story-ATbJB6PJ2jnbIVLgiXG9FJ_amp.html


Your ignorance doesnot surprise me.

 

[Junaids]

Emotions doesn't work well with logic.

BCCI isn't oblige to give a reply to PCB every time it asks the same question.

MOU means zilch to GOI... only people with zero real world experience will think they can force a sovereign govt to change their foreign policy because an organization registered as co-operative society has a MOU with another sporting body in an enemy country

You and I both know perfectly well that the BCCI never even asked the GOI for permission, let alone had it rejected.

Srinivasan’s BCCI derived pleasure from making competing Boards think they were coming for a tour, only to let them down at the last minute. The Cape Town Test four years ago was a perfect example.

It turned out that the BCCI has already made a secret deal to play New Zealand, secret because they wanted to humiliate Haroon Lorgat.

It was no different with the PCB. They signed an MOU and took Pakistan’s Big Three vote, but never had the slightest intention of honouring the MOU. They simply saw it as a means of stringing the PCB along then letting them down at the last minute.

As we all know, they never officially pulled out of the tour and they never told the PCB that the GOI had prohibited it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

more importantly i don't understand why GOI Is answerable to anything that PCB or ICC does.. ICC is threading dangerously here.. if GOI feel they are being taken for granted, what stops them for refusing to provide security when India organizes any ICC event? or refuse to provide visas to Pak nationals? or Passport holders of other nations with Pak background? now will ICC impose on India's Visa policies? ICC is free to take away the hosting right from India, which honestly is good for BCCI as they get to keep their market to themselves. If the dont agree with GOI, there are numerous ways they will get into to trouble. Even the super powers like US and Russia have not been able to change India's foreign policy. If ICC thinks they can, they are in for a huge shock

GOI and BCCI might decide it is less headache to pay compensation (even if it is not due) or play matches. BUt that is entirely up to GOI and BCCI.. If Pak or any other government was in India's position it would have been entirely up to them too.. No international sports body gets to direct a sovereign. India is keeping its bilateral issues bilateral and not bringing that to ICC tournaments or other multilateral. ECB/AUS refused to tour Zimbabwe for years and have avoided playing them in the ICC tournaments too. what did ICC do? Why didn't the above poster who says he is from England protest and organize jalsasa to bring England team back to Zimbabwe.. does only white lives matter? or only white foreign policies matter? These guys needs to wake up and smell coffee...

Icc will be simply blacked out in India. Bcci wont play in ICC events and no forex will flow from India to ICC.

ICC is being taken on trip by Manohar. They have put their noses in a plave where even super powers refuse to tread.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You and I both know perfectly well that the BCCI never even asked the GOI for permission, let alone had it rejected.

Srinivasan’s BCCI derived pleasure from making competing Boards think they were coming for a tour, only to let them down at the last minute. The Cape Town Test four years ago was a perfect example.

It turned out that the BCCI has already made a secret deal to play New Zealand, secret because they wanted to humiliate Haroon Lorgat.

It was no different with the PCB. They signed an MOU and took Pakistan’s Big Three vote, but never had the slightest intention of honouring the MOU. They simply saw it as a means of stringing the PCB along then letting them down at the last minute.

As we all know, they never officially pulled out of the tour and they never told the PCB that the GOI had prohibited it.

Not a word that you wrote is true.

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
You have provided a series of articles from 18-24 months after the Pakistan v India series failed to occur.

Your only contemporaneous article said that the BCCI MIGHT write to GOI.

It’s ridiculous. If the government refuses to sanction the tour, say so before the tour was due to start. And provide documentary evidence to the other party to the MOU.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
You have provided a series of articles from 18-24 months after the Pakistan v India series failed to occur.

Your only contemporaneous article said that the BCCI MIGHT write to GOI.

It’s ridiculous. If the government refuses to sanction the tour, say so before the tour was due to start. And provide documentary evidence to the other party to the MOU.

These are articles starting 2015 till 2017. The govt has openly announced that cricket tours wont happen. The last one 1 year ago.

You expect BCCI to write every month for pakistan tour?

Govt of India isnt under obligation to provide anything to PCB. They can refuse permission to tour anytime they choose.

 

[squarecut]

Considering that BCCI lives on ICC handouts as suggested repeatedly by Junaids, I wonder why he, like Najam Sethi is so desperate to see PCB play BCCI in bilateral series.

 

[MenInG]

IF the judgement does go Pak way, then a lot will be said! And Pakistan buoyed by that judgement will demand more. Its another thing that India wont listen.

 

[Gubol123]

IF the judgement does go Pak way, then a lot will be said! And Pakistan buoyed by that judgement will demand more. Its another thing that India wont listen.

actually it would be good if it goes Pak way... there will be real changes in the way BCCI does business.. and it will be good for Indian cricket

 

[Itachi]

Except the BCCI had an MOU to your Pakkstan at that time.

MOU doesn't make an entity oblige to give clarification.

If it violates any clause, PCB can sue BCCI. I don't think not even one Indian will object to that.

 

[Junaids]

MOU doesn't make an entity oblige to give clarification.

If it violates any clause, PCB can sue BCCI. I don't think not even one Indian will object to that.

Look, we have just seen today that Cricket Australia has released its December January schedule four months later than usual due to BCCI delaying tactics.

Pretty much every country knows that India commits later than anyone else to fixture lists and venues.

If you go through the PakPassion archive three November’s and December’s ago, it’s obvious that the PCB genuinely thought India was coming. Only as January dawned did they realise that India was never going to notify them that the tour was off.

 

[Adijazz1706]

This thread is about Najam Sethi's statements, not Sachin's county success or lack thereof. So stay on topic or create a new thread

 

[Usman Chadda]

actually it would be good if it goes Pak way... there will be real changes in the way BCCI does business.. and it will be good for Indian cricket

For a the chest thumping from BCCI ******* recently, BCCI has eventually toed ICC's line in the recent past. Making noise and actually doing something are two different things. Didn't Manohar bully BCCI the last time these two went head on? Also just a week back, BCCI was adamant in not having the CT as a T20. The ICC went forward and officially announced a second T20 event in place of the CT.

ICC is wrong to interfere here though. If governments start getting dictated by sporting bodies, that goverment has no business completing its term. No chance this case will be ruled in PCB's favour. Sets a very dangerous precedent.

 

[Gubol123]

Look, we have just seen today that Cricket Australia has released its December January schedule four months later than usual due to BCCI delaying tactics.

Pretty much every country knows that India commits later than anyone else to fixture lists and venues.

If you go through the PakPassion archive three November’s and December’s ago, it’s obvious that the PCB genuinely thought India was coming. Only as January dawned did they realise that India was never going to notify them that the tour was off.

they have an option not to play with India if they think BCCI is slow in responding to their calls. CA should be committed to its local viewers and not to Indian viewers.. If India/BCCI is slow and putting spammer in their plans, find an alternative team.. Not a big deal. not sure what is there to complain

No one honestly cares what PCB thought.. if they really thought India will be playing while the two countries were locked at LOC, they are really dumb..

 

[Itachi]

Look, we have just seen today that Cricket Australia has released its December January schedule four months later than usual due to BCCI delaying tactics.

Pretty much every country knows that India commits later than anyone else to fixture lists and venues.

If you go through the PakPassion archive three November’s and December’s ago, it’s obvious that the PCB genuinely thought India was coming. Only as January dawned did they realise that India was never going to notify them that the tour was off.

Contracts aren't based upon speculations. MoUs are based upon speculation.

Are you saying that PCB went ahead with BCCI by signing a contract without mentioning a time frame in which BCCI has to declare a special schedule just because "BCCI has a habit of delaying fixtures"?

If you are indeed implying that, then it simply means there's no substantial ground for PCB as the entity is putting a case upon speculation rather than what was binding.

 

[Gubol123]

For a the chest thumping from BCCI ******* recently, BCCI has eventually toed ICC's line in the recent past. Making noise and actually doing something are two different things. Didn't Manohar bully BCCI the last time these two went head on? Also just a week back, BCCI was adamant in not having the CT as a T20. The ICC went forward and officially announced a second T20 event in place of the CT.

ICC is wrong to interfere here though. If governments start getting dictated by sporting bodies, that goverment has no business completing its term. No chance this case will be ruled in PCB's favour. Sets a very dangerous precedent.

My love is for Indian cricket not towards BCCI. BCCI currently does not even have an head.. every tom, dick and harry can bully it.. They don't have the authority to pay their state boards FGS. So yea, they will toe everyone's line.. let the BCCI come back to life and lets see..

 

[WengerOut]

BCCI not opposing 'ICC = BCCI losing its clout. Perfect for such an evil board.

BCCi opposing 'ICC = Evil board shouldn't hold entire cricket to ransom. Satanic board.

 

[USofA]

Look, we have just seen today that Cricket Australia has released its December January schedule four months later than usual due to BCCI delaying tactics.

Pretty much every country knows that India commits later than anyone else to fixture lists and venues.

If you go through the PakPassion archive three November’s and December’s ago, it’s obvious that the PCB genuinely thought India was coming. Only as January dawned did they realise that India was never going to notify them that the tour was off.

Why did they delay? Shouldn't their commitment/priority be the paying Australian public. I am going to guess the Australian public is in some way inconvenienced in making plans because of this delay.

Rather than waiting on BCCI to get back to them, they should be putting their foot down and give BCCI a deadline. If this is not met, CA make their own schedule or go looking for another board to play.

Same goes for the Adelaide day/night test. They have not announced the start times because yet again CA is waiting with bated breath for the BCCI to decide (I would say dictate) and get back to them.

The big question is, what is CA afraid of?

 

[Gubol123]

Why did they delay? Shouldn't their commitment/priority be the paying Australian public. I am going to guess the Australian public is in some way inconvenienced in making plans because of this delay.

Rather than waiting on BCCI to get back to them, they should be putting their foot down and give BCCI a deadline. If this is not met, CA make their own schedule or go looking for another board to play.

Same goes for the Adelaide day/night test. They have not announced the start times because yet again CA is waiting with bated breath for the BCCI to decide (I would say dictate) and get back to them.

The big question is, what is CA afraid of?

very well put. exactly my points. CA should worry about their viewers.. not about what BCCI wants to do.. They are the hosts and BCCI doesn't respond in a timely manner they should go ahead and either finalize schedule or find some other team to play. If enough team goes that way, BCCI will have to follow. Or is it that CA has something to gain by toeing BCCI line? that is something for CA to sort out...

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why did they delay? Shouldn't their commitment/priority be the paying Australian public. I am going to guess the Australian public is in some way inconvenienced in making plans because of this delay.

Rather than waiting on BCCI to get back to them, they should be putting their foot down and give BCCI a deadline. If this is not met, CA make their own schedule or go looking for another board to play.

Same goes for the Adelaide day/night test. They have not announced the start times because yet again CA is waiting with bated breath for the BCCI to decide (I would say dictate) and get back to them.

The big question is, what is CA afraid of?

Except Ashes which other series will bring CA the revenues BCCI brings?

 

[USofA]

Except Ashes which other series will bring CA the revenues BCCI brings?

If $$$ is CA's priority over fans/paying public, then the Aus. fans should should be complaining about CA first. Straighten them out before pointing the finger at BCCI.

 

[jadaja]

When did Aussies confirm their tour dates to Bangladesh last year.If Aussies delay the dates then it is no big deal but it becomes a big deal when India does it.

There is no set calendar for any cricketing nation except home seasons for England and Australia, if they have to wait little longer to get dates confirmed it is not at all a big deal.

 

[Usman Chadda]

BCCI not opposing 'ICC = BCCI losing its clout. Perfect for such an evil board.

BCCi opposing 'ICC = Evil board shouldn't hold entire cricket to ransom. Satanic board.

Besides the India-Pakistan issue, I haven't really seen BCCI really be this gunda-gard every Indian fan wants them to be. They have accepted pretty much every proposal from the ICC. There is no evidence to suggest BCCI will break away from the ICC as most Indian posters here suggest.

The India-Pakistan issue extends beyond just cricketing matters. The fact that ICC can even think of intervening in a matter which is entirely GOI's initiative is quite an insult to the Indian public in my opinion.

 

[Gubol123]

Besides the India-Pakistan issue, I haven't really seen BCCI really be this gunda-gard every Indian fan wants them to be. They have accepted pretty much every proposal from the ICC. There is no evidence to suggest BCCI will break away from the ICC as most Indian posters here suggest.

The India-Pakistan issue extends beyond just cricketing matters. The fact that ICC can even think of intervening in a matter which is entirely GOI's initiative is quite an insult to the Indian public in my opinion.

which Indian really wants to break away from ICC sir.. BCCI has never even indicated that. what many Indians might have said is if BCCI is cornered they will hit back which might involve threat of breaking away as one of the options. BCCI makes billions playing international cricket. why will they want to put an end to it.. at least not for the next couple of decades

ICC is actually over extending itself and being wrongly lead by Manohar. he comes from an opposition faction and obviously doesn't want to toe government line.. One day he will go and ICC will be left with all the consequences..

 

[Gubol123]

When did Aussies confirm their tour dates to Bangladesh last year.If Aussies delay the dates then it is no big deal but it becomes a big deal when India does it.

There is no set calendar for any cricketing nation except home seasons for England and Australia, if they have to wait little longer to get dates confirmed it is not at all a big deal.

more importantly they have not option not to wait for India to confirm.. They can go ahead and make other plans.. Pak/BD/AFG/SL would all love to tour Aus and most probably will confirm right away... Once enough boards do that, BCCI will learn a lesson, if there is a lesson to be learnt

 

[Usman Chadda]

which Indian really wants to break away from ICC sir.. BCCI has never even indicated that. what many Indians might have said is if BCCI is cornered they will hit back which might involve threat of breaking away as one of the options. BCCI makes billions playing international cricket. why will they want to put an end to it.. at least not for the next couple of decades

ICC is actually over extending itself and being wrongly lead by Manohar. he comes from an opposition faction and obviously doesn't want to toe government line.. One day he will go and ICC will be left with all the consequences..

No they won't. As I said, BCCI has given no indication whatsoever of ever standing up to the ICC's decisions. Even during the time when Manohar was basically bullying the BCCI, Indian posters were predicting BCCI going rogue to teach the ICC a lesson. Nothing as such happened and there was a compromise at the end of the day. The same thing has happened right now, when the CT which is to held in India has been swiftly converted to a T20 tournament despite BCCI's alleged protests.

And I am sure, howsoever wrong it might be, BCCI will definitely not be at the forefront IF ICC rules in favor of PCB. The GOI is another issue altogether.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Do you remember what happened three December’s ago?

The PCB was expecting an Indian tour right up to January! The BCCI deliberately gave no reply to keep them on tenterhooks.

And then you have Shaharyar Khan’s return to his native India! Hosted in BCCI offices.

At no point on either occasion did the BCCI say to the PCB “the tour is off because the Government of India has forbidden it”.

No, they left the PCB hanging, unable to schedule anything else!

It was non-stop topi drama of:

1) We can't play you because of the prestige of our nation and the sentiments of soldiers dying on the border and the Mumbai victims.

2) Ok, we'll play you, but you come to us even though it's your turn to host

3) No, we're too scared that our innocent angel players will be corrupted by breathing the same air as these boogiemen bookies in the UAE, so let's play in Sri Lanka.

The BCCI finally deemed it appropriate to go to the GOI at which point even if they had approved, there was no time for the proper tour that the PCB was promised.

 

[Gubol123]

No they won't. As I said, BCCI has given no indication whatsoever of ever standing up to the ICC's decisions. Even during the time when Manohar was basically bullying the BCCI, Indian posters were predicting BCCI going rogue to teach the ICC a lesson. Nothing as such happened and there was a compromise at the end of the day. The same thing has happened right now, when the CT which is to held in India has been swiftly converted to a T20 tournament despite BCCI's alleged protests.

And I am sure, howsoever wrong it might be, BCCI will definitely not be at the forefront IF ICC rules in favor of PCB. The GOI is another issue altogether.

again, i don't understand why they would go rogue on them? if you look at recent media dealings nearly 40% of media revenue comes from international events. That is a big 40% amounting to nearly a billion dollar. why would they jeopardize that by going rogue? if they are smart they will play along until that ratio goes to 80/20 where 80% of revenue is from internal sources with minimal dependency on international tours.

regarding CT conversion to T20, i was personally against that as back to back T20 world cup is boring. NOt sure why BCCI was against it.. its revenue was not going to be hit.. they kept talking about it being Dalmiya's dream project, but their arguments looked weak.. not sure why would BCCI oppose it apart from being boring. I have feeling it was hyped up and shown as a failure so that they can bargain something else.. honestly i don't know.

There is very little BCCI can do at the moment. they have no head, no one to guide their vision. I am not at all surprised that they will be bullied.. let them come to their own and see what they can do.. currently they are fighting SC, ICC and to some extent politicians (like Manohor group). It is a losing war if they are fighting battles in all fronts.. They will regroup and we will see what they want to do then