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If Pakistan beat Bangladesh, it will be a good World Cup regardless of whether we make the semis

Syed1 said:
It's been a good WC.... We would have qualified had the easy win against SL not been snatched from us due to rain.
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Bangladesh also lost out on an easy win vs SL. It will come down to BD PAK game who finishes 5th place with net run rate possibly being the decider.
 
Count in newzealand to do well against England. I am pretty sure the bowling will trouble England, get the top order early and things can be interesting.
 
farazaidi said:
yeah that is one positive as I said, but its imperative that Malik & Hafeez are dropped immediately and never considered again even if the youngsters are failing.

I hope Wasim Khan is able to make the drastic changes our domestic cricket needs. Unfortunately he is facing a lot of resistance but I'm hoping against hope that, with the help from PM Imran Khan, he is successful in revamping our domestic cricket
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Malik has already said he's retiring from ODI's. Hafeez recently called it quits in tests, and besides I'm 99% sure he's gone after this world cup too. We don't have a schedule for after the World Cup for ODI's yet so will be interesting to see who we play and what team we select. I'd like a series against Bangladesh we haven't had one against them in 4 years.
 
Shutdown Corner said:
Bangladesh also lost out on an easy win vs SL. It will come down to BD PAK game who finishes 5th place with net run rate possibly being the decider.
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BANG have much superior NRR so it wouldnt matter much even if they lose to IND (it will end their semi final hopes thou). They can still finish 5th by beating PAK
 
It would end up being a respectable campaign, yes but I think a great degree of frustration would still be there. The fact that we had a golden opportunity to beat Australia and qualify for semis (if we don't) but kept squandering our chances through error-ridden cricket. This team has alot of potential but they are frankly letting themselves down with poor fielding, fitness standards and sometimes their general attitude towards the game. Also, feel that talk regarding our failing domestic system should be front and center rather than talk regarding specific players' performances. Altho doubt that will actually happen
 
It'll not be a good WC for sure. I would say on par performace even if Pak beats Bangladesh.

All the top sides will be in KO stage except SA (They played poor cricket. A very bad WC for a SA standards). So Pakistan weill be rightly @5th position and BD @6th.

On the other hand this is a very good WC for Bangladesh. They played exceptionally well and going in right direction. I hope they'll continue this after the WC as well.

But yes even now both BD and Pakistan can go to Sem-Finals. All the best to both the teams.
 
barah_admi said:
I agree.

I personally did not expect Pakistan to finish 5th, which is a terrific position for such a young side, one with so many problems leading into the tournament and a side which can only get better once Malik and Hafeez leave post tournament.

I am quite upbeat, especially as it proved Pakistan can score big runs, and that there is hope in the bowling with Shaheen and tournament wins over England, SA, NZ and Bangladesh are very impressive.
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Are you from the future mate?

We haven't played Bangladesh yet and getting bundled out for 80odd is very much possible and can change the whole complexion of this thread.
 
It will be a very interesting conversation if BD were to win against Pak. I have a feel for the direction in b which a lot of threats eod be heading
 
I think we should take the highs and if we Eng wins and we feel that NRR is too much to catch, we should make it the farewell match for Malik, Hafeez and Wahab (though I doubt he is ready) and give them send offs as this is something we don't do. After Imran it was Inzamam and then Misbah who got a farewell game, even greats like Wasim and Waqar didn't get a farewell game.
 
If India somehow loses to Bangladesh and sri Lanka and nz loses to England and our nrr margin stays impossible to overhaul India or nz, then we should bat first get 0 all out, let bangla chase in 1 ball wide or no ball and oust India. That would be epic.
 
Sherazkhalid said:
I think we should take the highs and if we Eng wins and we feel that NRR is too much to catch, we should make it the farewell match for Malik, Hafeez and Wahab (though I doubt he is ready) and give them send offs as this is something we don't do. After Imran it was Inzamam and then Misbah who got a farewell game, even greats like Wasim and Waqar didn't get a farewell game.
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I don't believe it is in the culture of Pak mgmt to host farewell games to its players.
I fmrecl Rawalpindi Express expressing disgust hope hr was promised one in the Mohali test but then nothing happened and Shoaib simply walked into three sunset without any gratitude from his fans, peers and the opposition.
 
This mediocre thinking of modern Pak fans is saddening for me as a cornered tiger myself.
 
mon858 said:
If India somehow loses to Bangladesh and sri Lanka and nz loses to England and our nrr margin stays impossible to overhaul India or nz, then we should bat first get 0 all out, let bangla chase in 1 ball wide or no ball and oust India. That would be epic.
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Won’t work - NRR doesn’t work that way. It (NRR) was used first time in 1992 WC, and Richie Benaud was the mastermind of introducing that method (instead of traditional Run rate) - that guy was a cricket genius; it’s not easy to manipulate NRR.

BD scoring 5 to win even without playing any ball (say Amir bowls a wide 5), it’ll improve NRR by ~15% only (runs conceded now will be accounted for 400 overs, instead of 350).

The maths that you are suggesting can work if PAK scores something like 200 and then keeps bowling wides & no balls so that BD chased that may be in 2 overs ...

It’s based on weighted average - you need volume to chase down quickly, so that the impact is maximised over the course of 450 overs.

That 35 overs game took PAK out of WC on 1st day for a reason - I wrote that time which went above head of usual trolls...... hence thought that trolling Bangladesh will settle back some score.
 
Much better performance than 2003,2007,2015
Still let’s hope NZ beat England
If we beat BD and go out on NRR it will be sad
We still managed to beat England and kiwis
 
The results paper over deeper cracks and holes.

Respectable? Yes; but satisfying? Moot.

I think I can speak for all when saying that even a win over BD resulting in a 5th placed finish will still have you asking questions of the team in a way that BD fans beating Pak to finish 5th wouldn't.

Just enjoying the ride. We should have been dead after the India game - England let us back in. I wouldn't have minded an Indian win yesterday, of course but make no mistake; they are the adversary. I'd rather lament my own performances than support them for a leg up. No thanks.

Inshallah - gonna do it, do it ourselves. If we can't then I've, like most reasonable Pak fans, known for a while that we arent exactly top-tier.
 
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Yes will have been a good world cup.
It basically come down to NZ having more fortune ( their washout would probably be a loss, ours a win)
NZ haven't been great at all, scraping through Vs BD, WI,SA and losing to the big boys . Those saying we don't deserve it, nor do they really ( unless they beat Eng :))

We also have the 2nd youngest squad of all (despite Moha and Malik)

7/10 if we beat bang
8/10 if we lose in semis
9/10 if we lose final
10/10 if we win tournament
 
It is on par with 2015. Both mediocre campaigns where Pakistan didn’t remotely look like qualifying for the final (let alone go all the way) at any point.
 
Have to beat BD to consider it a good tournament. Need to get to 11 points. Babar has come of age, Haris has been a revelation, Amir was in top form and Shaheen was amazing at the back end. Questions remain and Pak needs to sort these out ASAP

1) Opening combo of Fakhar and Imam was supposed to be a sword and shield combo but this was very ineffective. Both flopped.
2) Wahab was good but he needs to go after the WC. Hasan is in terrible form. Who is the 3rd seamer?
3) Sarfraz is not a good enough batsman. Who is the next captain? Is Babar ready? Is Rizwan ready to take over Hafeez and Sarfi's spot?
 
Celebrating coming 5th will just sum up the minnow mentality. We need changes after these WCs. Don't want to be relying on other teams in the next WC.
 
1st we need to win the WC
That didn't look like happenning, so next, "if we beat India and we did great in the WC even if we didn't win it"
That didn't work out so now its, "if we beat BD, it will be a great WC"

Folks have some shame and set the bar higher, not lower
 
New Zealand were luckier than us with their washout game.
That said, there are three very good teams England, India and Australia...then the rest.
We are not in that class
We are capable of excellent performances and true shockers eg vs West Indies — that performance was really awful
 
Our final World Cup position (5th-7th) will be an accurate reflection of where our ODI team are. The best four teams are set to qualify.

We're simply not consistent enough to succeed in a format like this. Our middle order consisted of two over the hill seniors who should've been retired after CT17, and a captain who hasn't pulled his weight with the bat for three years.

Our new ball bowling is absolutely atrocious as we saw vs AUS and IND in damp early morning conditions. We are far too dependent on reverse swing and slow, low UAE surfaces which help our average spinners. And despite being an improved fielding unit compared to 2015, we are far behind the world's best.

The tournament has gone how I expected bar the horror show vs WI which is even more galling given WI haven't won a single match since. We only got our act together after the shellacking vs IND and we had no expectations on us. However we were unlucky to have the SRL game washed out as we were on a high after the ENG win.

Losing to Bangladesh again would leave a very bitter taste in mouth so we should aim to at least end on a high at Lord's.
 
Mamoon said:
It is on par with 2015. Both mediocre campaigns where Pakistan didn’t remotely look like qualifying for the final (let alone go all the way) at any point.
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Not true.

In 2015, South Africa were the only top 8 team we beat.

This time we beat SA, Eng, NZ and perhaps Bangladesh.

No comparison
 
Mamoon said:
It is on par with 2015. Both mediocre campaigns where Pakistan didn’t remotely look like qualifying for the final (let alone go all the way) at any point.
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I'd say we've come a long way since 2015 and compared to the horrible team of 2015, this team is much better although it's not a world cup contender or in the top 4 teams. Long way to go for Pakistan.
 
So the allegation against Bangladesh fans were that they are having so called minnow mentality because they get satisfied easily after winning hearts, fighting hard etc without getting the result. Now what do we call this??
 
Slog said:
Not true.

In 2015, South Africa were the only top 8 team we beat.

This time we beat SA, Eng, NZ and perhaps Bangladesh.

No comparison
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In 2015 you did not face all the 10 top teams either rather some associates and rankwise separated teams, this time I would say NZ and SA teams are weaker than what they were in 2015. And Bangladesh game is yet to be played so you cannot count that yet. Pakistan almost lost to Afghanistan if not for Gulbadin Naib.
 
Am I reading this correct?

If Pakistan beat Bangladesh, it will be a good World Cup regardless of whether we make the semis

Please increase your standards. This world cup has proven what a gong show PCB is and why the old budday sitting at the top need to be purged. I think the current state of PCB is a microcosm of the country...you have these old budday from the 1980s and 1990s who simply refuse to allow the youth and younger blood take over whether it be PCB or Ministry of Tourism or any other government ministry or department.

The whole "Naya Pakistan" thing is basically that...in with the new, out with the old.

Some major purging needs to be done, followed by some structuring to our First Class Cricket scene.
 
If you look at this world cup, only Australia and India carried their form throughout the league matches.

England stuttered at the middle, New-Zealand towards the end, South Africa throughout the tournament.

We had 2 SF spots for grab, but missed due to our inconsistent performances. Not sure, how it will be a good world cup for us.

Infact, we had the best chance to get used to the conditions comparing other teams. Our team is in England for a month prior to the world cup. What we achieved is the so called "MORAL VICTORY". We are the champions of "Moral world cup".
 
I would say regardless of them beating Bangladesh or not, this was a good world cup for Pakistan. They beat higher ranked England, New Zealand, and South Africa. And also gave a big time scare to Australia. Bangladesh has been a competitive side and has had an upper hand over Pakistan since 2015. Losing to them would not be a matter of shame.
 
ABMiller said:
If you look at this world cup, only Australia and India carried their form throughout the league matches.

England stuttered at the middle, New-Zealand towards the end, South Africa throughout the tournament.

We had 2 SF spots for grab, but missed due to our inconsistent performances. Not sure, how it will be a good world cup for us.

Infact, we had the best chance to get used to the conditions comparing other teams. Our team is in England for a month prior to the world cup. What we achieved is the so called "MORAL VICTORY". We are the champions of "Moral world cup".
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NZ didn't stutter they actually didn't meet any good side for the first few matches once they met the good teams they lost. They were lucky that they got a 1 point from the India match. Otherwise they lost to all the top teams in the tournament.
 
Decent enough world cup if we beat bang. Will have only lost 3 out of 9.
We will be the best of the rest over 9 games ( and better than NZ in my book too)
 
I think a much better world cup than any since 1999, given the format.

Losing to the two best teams of the tournament, and one freaky loss against WI, is a lot better than the other WCs since 1999 imo, where the formats were terrible. We also beat two of the semi-finalists in NZ and England, and if not for rain affecting two key matches (Pak vs. SL and NZ vs Ind), Pakistan would have almost certainly gone through.

Was good to see the heart shown by the team to come back strong as well.
 
Slog said:
Not true.

In 2015, South Africa were the only top 8 team we beat.

This time we beat SA, Eng, NZ and perhaps Bangladesh.

No comparison
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The format was different. We had minnows and only two top teams in our group, i.e. India and South Africa. In the 2019 format with all teams playing each other once, there were always going to be a few more upsets.
 
AdamM97 said:
I'd say we've come a long way since 2015 and compared to the horrible team of 2015, this team is much better although it's not a world cup contender or in the top 4 teams. Long way to go for Pakistan.
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How have we come a long way? We are 6th in the rankings, we entered the World Cup with a 13 match streak and have played like minnows in the last two years. In 2015, we were also making dreaming of replicating 1992 because our captain was a Niazi and our kit had a similar shade of green.
 
Anything less than semis should be considered a failed campaign by any standards. Thats why you play ODIs for. The cup.
 
Amazing how some fans have officially embraced their teams minnow status. Even Bangladesh did better than us.
 
Abdullah said:
Decent enough world cup if we beat bang. Will have only lost 3 out of 9.
We will be the best of the rest over 9 games ( and better than NZ in my book too)
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Lol. Some gems in this thread. It's amazing what consistently losing does to your fans.
 
RameezRambo_Fan said:
Am I reading this correct?

If Pakistan beat Bangladesh, it will be a good World Cup regardless of whether we make the semis

Please increase your standards. This world cup has proven what a gong show PCB is and why the old budday sitting at the top need to be purged. I think the current state of PCB is a microcosm of the country...you have these old budday from the 1980s and 1990s who simply refuse to allow the youth and younger blood take over whether it be PCB or Ministry of Tourism or any other government ministry or department.

The whole "Naya Pakistan" thing is basically that...in with the new, out with the old.

Some major purging needs to be done, followed by some structuring to our First Class Cricket scene.
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Looks not only team's standards have fallen even fand have started to fall to minnow level status.
 
O the usual cries. We did decently well. If we beat Bangla then it will be more than decent so stop complaining about Pakistani team all the time. They just play like that. We could have beaten SL and would have made it to semi, its all ifs and buts....but no point in shedding tears and going through the usual routine of "sab bora hai es team mein." You are fans, atleast have some decency to appreciate a pretty good performance.

It's just a sport, you win some, you lose some. It's all good.
 
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Our expectations of this team are really unrealistic. With a rotten domestic structure, no international cricket at home, a mentality and approach to the game which is years behind the top teams how can we be getting disappointed at not reaching the top 4? The fact that we manage to compete at this level is pretty staggering considering the challenges around our cricket. You lot need to chill.
 
As I understand this team and evaluated them, this is a pretty good result, and if they beat Bangladesh, it will be even better. Winning against England/New Zealand was the highlight, and it was good to see Babur, Harris, and Aamir performing even Wahab did better than expected.

I posted in another thread that our current lots are unfit and less talented players, even those that are technically good are physically and mentally way behind the rest of the international cluster. We may have qualified with the rub of luck, but that would not have changed the fact that we need better basics to improve and be consistent.

I asked in another thread to experts what is the point of aggression if you don't have the needed talent and power to execute it, but no one steps up to answer. We need to accept the fact that Pakistan is a mediocre team with mostly low standard players and we struggle to put a decent playing XI and if something is to change we need massive changes in domestic level.

Overall this is a good campaign as per the team standard.
 
No
Only being No 1 should be satisfying.
It is alarming the top order played so many dot balls and bowlers (except Shaheen and Wahab) struggled to bowl with sufficient variety and depth.
 
For an elite team like India, England or Australia this performance would be considered a failure.

For minnows, this would be a satisfactory performance and moment to celebrate.
 
Not.

It would’ve been a good World Cup if we made the semis atleast.
 
We belong to the level of SL and BD and we have left both of them behind so yeah great performance by Pakistan. Well done.
 
Also well done Sarfraz for successfully hiding yourself from any challenge. Truly mediocre player.
 
We have punched above our weight. Beat three teams ranked higher than us but should have beaten west indies as well. Unlucky that our match against srilanka washed out , otherwise could have been playing semi final.

Good performance by a team which went went into world cup 11-0.
 
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