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If you lose toss in the ICC T20 World Cup Semi-Finals and are put in to bat first, how will you win?

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As we all obviously see that this dew in the second innings is choking the life of the bowling potency. Lower totals to defend are almost impossible to defend.
And against good batting lines like England and Australia, you should have at least 200 on the board to defend.

The question is, how are you going to put 200 on the board batting first against these good teams in the playoffs?

Our general approach so far has been, "total focus on saving the openers' wickets in the powerplay and end up scoring 30 odd runs in the first 6 overs.

And then either try to accelerate from there if the openers/top order is still in play, and/or rely on the lower order (Malik and lately Asif) to score some quick runs.

This has worked so far BUT, it never looked to have convincingly gotten us close to 200+ mark. And even if we were able to get close to 200, then obviously, the opposition bowling attack was not as good as the upcoming Aussies or English bowling force.

If we end up scoring 180 odd batting first, then we are almost out of the game. This is how bad the dew factor has been playing it's ugly role.

IMO, We need that magical 200 figure to give our bowlers a chance to defend it in the dew.

There is no guarantee that we are going to get 200 + by doing some magic. We can only plan and make adjustments to play the game of probabilities.

And IMO, a simple approach is to strengthen the batting line to increase the probability of at least one, if not two, additional batters clicking, and getting us over the line.

In my opinion, if we are bowling second, then Shadab's bowling becomes almost useless. His batting is already nothing special. So he makes way for Haider.

Then, how to draft Nawaz?
We have Imad, Hassan Ali (for the lovers of Hafeez who want him retained in the play offs).

If I had to take a bitter pill, I will probably take out Hassan Ali. Yes, indeed he can hit a few big hits in the lower order but chances of him leaking more runs are higher than the chances of him scorning big runs.

Once we get Haider and Nawaz in, our batting line becomes a lot more stronger. This will result us confidently taking chances in the playoffs and score at least 50 if not 60 by the end of 6 powerplay overs with a loss of one or two wickets.

We will still have a deep batting line to take us through the innings and hence the chances of hitting that 200 are higher.

Otherwise, if we bat first and score 180 odd against England Australia, IMO, our chances are very slim to defend it.

This toss and dew factor has killed the balance in the game, and if we are not alert and conscious of it, then we will have only ourselves to blame.
 
Basically, even after we have won 4 games out of 4, you just want to see your favorites bat.


200 is not as easy as it sounds. Stop assuming that everything is simple. If you get good bowling than its difficult.
 
Aim for 160 on the board and go for the classic chokehold

Pakistan need a better spinner than Shadab. I would replace him with Nawaz for the next match
 
For Aus, anything over 150 should be enough.

Eng is a different beast. Have to play out of our skin and post a minimum of 190
 
What’s the largest score ENG have chased so far, in how many overs and at the loss of how many wickets?
 
Basically, even after we have won 4 games out of 4, you just want to see your favorites bat.


200 is not as easy as it sounds. Stop assuming that everything is simple. If you get good bowling than its difficult.

Reckon 170+ is defendable if you bat first.

Aim for 160 on the board and go for the classic chokehold

Pakistan need a better spinner than Shadab. I would replace him with Nawaz for the next match

For Aus, anything over 150 should be enough.

Eng is a different beast. Have to play out of our skin and post a minimum of 190

What’s the largest score ENG have chased so far, in how many overs and at the loss of how many wickets?

We keep ignoring the ever so devastating dew factor in the second innings. Why?

Did you see what happened to our ace bowler Shaheen today when he bowled against a meager Namibia with the wet ball?

If Namibia can score 144 batting second against our bowling by losing 5 wickets, then chasing 190+ is easy for Aussies and the English batters.
 
Pressure can make teams do silly things especially in the knockouts. England are yet to properly win a tournament with this approach of theirs. Wc19 was a tie if not for the stupid boundary rule. In 2010, their game was more based on bowling depth.

In ct17 semi, they failed to make 220 on a flat surface.
In wc16 final, they conceded 24 off 4 balls in the last over.
 
Going for insane totals like 180-200 is one of the biggest reasons teams have been making below par totals. Trying to go too hard, lose wickets, and end up with a lower total than you would've if you played a little cautiously.
 
160 is more than enough in knockout games if you bowl well imo

So if Nam can score 144 in chasing then Australia and England won’t be able to chase 160?
I mean, bowling second, we couldn’t even take 10 very low quality Nam wickets. How are you going to stop Aus/SA and England from casing 160?
 
Going for insane totals like 180-200 is one of the biggest reasons teams have been making below par totals. Trying to go too hard, lose wickets, and end up with a lower total than you would've if you played a little cautiously.

No.
I am not saying to get insane.
I am saying we should beef up our batting line first, to take a few risks in the power play.

Instead of 30/0, we should be better off if we get 60/2 kinda score at the end of power play when we have the support and luxury of much stronger and deeper batting line to follow.
 
Scoring 200 is virtually impossible on these surfaces.

I would be very surprised if a team manages to score 200 in this tournament.
 
Scoring 200 is virtually impossible on these surfaces.

I would be very surprised if a team manages to score 200 in this tournament.

Eng scored 126 in 11.4 overs for loss of only 2 wickets, and that too against Hazlewood, Starc, Cummins and Zampa - what makes you think they couldn’t score 200 in 20 overs?

Strong batting sides batting second are almost guaranteed to win, this is how drastic the dew factor is.
 
Eng scored 126 in 11.4 overs for loss of only 2 wickets, and that too against Hazlewood, Starc, Cummins and Zampa - what makes you think they couldn’t score 200 in 20 overs?

Strong batting sides batting second are almost guaranteed to win, this is how drastic the dew factor is.

Batting second and batting first are two different challenges. There's a reason every team chooses to bat second after winning the toss except Afghanistan who are a frankly bizarre team tbh for willingly choosing to bat first. I'm saying no side batting first is going to score 200 in this tournament and therefore there's no way for the chasing team to score that either.

The same English team which blasted the likes of Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood to oblivion chasing at 10+ run rate, was struggling against the Sri Lankan spinners batting first, scoring only around 47 after 10 overs and it took an out of the world batting performance from Buttler and Kumara's generosity for them to make a winning score in that innings. Against a better team than Sri Lanka, I think England would have struggled to win that game.
 
If Pakistan score 160 batting first, they can win against any team (including England).

Pakistani bowling is pretty good this time.
 
If Pakistan score 160 batting first, they can win against any team (including England).

Pakistani bowling is pretty good this time.
No they won't. 160 is below par for teams chasing. The.dew factor is real, it gives massive massive advantage to the team batting second.

One solution to tackle this problem would be to have the semi finals played during the day much earlier in the day. But we know that's not gonna happen.
 
Read post 11 and see if it makes sense?

So if Nam can score 144 in chasing then Australia and England won’t be able to chase 160?
I mean, bowling second, we couldn’t even take 10 very low quality Nam wickets. How are you going to stop Aus/SA and England from casing 160?

Check what happened to England during Champions Trophy 2017 semi-final. Pakistan beat them easily.

England are not invincible. They can lose against a good bowling side. Sri Lanka beat England during 2019 World Cup also (thanks to Malinga's brilliance).

Playoff games have extra pressure and England may bottle it while chasing.
 
No they won't. 160 is below par for teams chasing. The.dew factor is real, it gives massive massive advantage to the team batting second.

One solution to tackle this problem would be to have the semi finals played during the day much earlier in the day. But we know that's not gonna happen.

If game is in Abu Dhabi, 160 should be a winning total.

Slow pitch.
 
Is it play station ? Where 200/210 can be scored.

It is world cup and top teans do not leak runs that easily. If batting first
160 should be in mind minimum.
 
Check what happened to England during Champions Trophy 2017 semi-final. Pakistan beat them easily.

England are not invincible. They can lose against a good bowling side. Sri Lanka beat England during 2019 World Cup also (thanks to Malinga's brilliance).

Playoff games have extra pressure and England may bottle it while chasing.

England in general bottles up big matches ( finals)

Recent Euro 2020 Final is one example, playing at wembley but could not beat Italians.

Eng barely crossed the line in ODI 2019 wc but we still beat them + 2017 icc chmps trophy sf.

England also bottled 2013 icc champions trophy final
Could nkt chase 130

And also bottled 2016 final
4 sixes by braithwaite.

Shall i tell more ?

2004 icc champions trophy final.
West indies were 147/8 and yet chased down 215 odd.

1987 world cup final too.
 
Going for insane totals like 180-200 is one of the biggest reasons teams have been making below par totals. Trying to go too hard, lose wickets, and end up with a lower total than you would've if you played a little cautiously.

Exactly, How much you describe this, some cricketing critics won’t be able to understand or don’t even stop to give a thought to it. Preserving wickets in the PP and then accelerating with 12-13 runs an over in the last 10 overs should be the working method so far and highly successful for a team like Pakistan

Fans think every team as England, every team have to understand their strengths and weaknesses. Especially not knowing their weaknesses will cost the game dearly as opponents would like to attack and exploit that.

If India had a similar approach as Pakistan openers had, they wouldn’t have had them in a place where they are now. They didn’t give respect to swing bowling and pitch conditions and they lost 2-3 wickets in the PP and continued to suffer throughout the innings.

The key here is the set batsman in the crease after the PP , if none then teams continue to suffer which seems to be a pattern in this tournament.

If you have a good bowling unit , clicking together even with wickets in hand chasing 140+ is a daunting task in these pitches.

170 should be a winning target even with the dew , if bowlers execute their plans well.

Pakistan bowling was little relaxed in their approach ysday , so it cannot be judged as if that same approach will be towards semis too.

I believe Pakistan will face England in the finals, it is going to be tough for Pakistan as expected.. Beating the best teams to win a World Cup is not a secret.
 
So if Nam can score 144 in chasing then Australia and England won’t be able to chase 160?
I mean, bowling second, we couldn’t even take 10 very low quality Nam wickets. How are you going to stop Aus/SA and England from casing 160?


Don’t make any sense, knock outs are different stage altogether. If this is the rule then with IPL happening in the same pitches just few days ago, makes India perform like there is no match to any team. Should have set targets of 200+ for fun.

This match shouldn’t be a comparison at all. That electrifying atmosphere in the field and the approach for a semifinal or final will be totally different from this match.
 
No total is big enough for England.

170 should suffice for Australia.
 
Play intelligently and aim to score 150-160 and back yourself to defend it. Don’t fall into the trap of scoring 190 and get bowled out for 120.
In KO game, pressure will be on.
Butler won’t score a century every game.
 
i suspect we may end up playing SA which will be good for us. SA is known for choking

Good luck facing Rabada and Nortje. Check out some of the formed's ripsnorters against Bangladesh- they're not the best barometer but still.

England are basically hurling, they don't even get huge power on *****, just life technique; they crouch very low a la KP and Morgan and swing right through the ball. Very difficult to see Roy, YJB and Buttler all falling cheaply in one innings.
 
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Look, this is what I am saying.
FULLY LOAD the gun before firing it.

There is minimum risk to sideline Shadab and Hassan Ali, and draft in Haider n Nawaz.
We are not going to miss either but we will have a better chance to put a substantial total on the board IF we are to bat first. We should be able to take some risk and try to make better use of power play - if we succeed, awesome. If we fail, we will have plenty of batting left to make up.

160 odd doesn’t look enough if you bat first - YOU NED THAT EXTRA 30 odd runs.
 
We are not making 200+ on these wickets no matter who we play, as simple as that. Laughable to suggest Haider and Nawaz will help as achieve that, considering you are basically crippling our bowling attack by removing two of our best strike bowlers.
 
Find a way to get to 160.

Bumrah in his press conference after the NZ match said the same. We were looking to score 15-20 runs more so tried attacking a bit more from start. But it didn't paid off.
 
First of all, you have to name your team before the toss. So Haider for Shadab decision would backfire if we had to bowl first. In any case, this would be a crazy decision. Shadab is a crucial bowler and has bowled very well in this tournament overall.
 
200 on these wickets against good sides is virtally impossible. A good total is anything over 160 with 150 being the bare minimum. 170 would be an over par score.
 
Look, this is what I am saying.
FULLY LOAD the gun before firing it.

There is minimum risk to sideline Shadab and Hassan Ali, and draft in Haider n Nawaz.
We are not going to miss either but we will have a better chance to put a substantial total on the board IF we are to bat first. We should be able to take some risk and try to make better use of power play - if we succeed, awesome. If we fail, we will have plenty of batting left to make up.

160 odd doesn’t look enough if you bat first - YOU NED THAT EXTRA 30 odd runs.

Haider is an amateur fielder compared to Shadab.
Shadab is also crucial with the ball and can bat.

Nawaz hadn't played in the Pakistan team for over a year and Hasan Ali can be a match winner with both bat and ball. Even when was out of form he still managed to pick up crucial wickets, whether with the ball or through his fielding.
 
If I was forced to make a change... it had to be done come what May...
I would bring Nawaz in for Malik.
But that's only if we had to make change
 
As we all obviously see that this dew in the second innings is choking the life of the bowling potency. Lower totals to defend are almost impossible to defend.
And against good batting lines like England and Australia, you should have at least 200 on the board to defend.

The question is, how are you going to put 200 on the board batting first against these good teams in the playoffs?

Our general approach so far has been, "total focus on saving the openers' wickets in the powerplay and end up scoring 30 odd runs in the first 6 overs.

And then either try to accelerate from there if the openers/top order is still in play, and/or rely on the lower order (Malik and lately Asif) to score some quick runs.

This has worked so far BUT, it never looked to have convincingly gotten us close to 200+ mark. And even if we were able to get close to 200, then obviously, the opposition bowling attack was not as good as the upcoming Aussies or English bowling force.

If we end up scoring 180 odd batting first, then we are almost out of the game. This is how bad the dew factor has been playing it's ugly role.

IMO, We need that magical 200 figure to give our bowlers a chance to defend it in the dew.

There is no guarantee that we are going to get 200 + by doing some magic. We can only plan and make adjustments to play the game of probabilities.

And IMO, a simple approach is to strengthen the batting line to increase the probability of at least one, if not two, additional batters clicking, and getting us over the line.

In my opinion, if we are bowling second, then Shadab's bowling becomes almost useless. His batting is already nothing special. So he makes way for Haider.

Then, how to draft Nawaz?
We have Imad, Hassan Ali (for the lovers of Hafeez who want him retained in the play offs).

If I had to take a bitter pill, I will probably take out Hassan Ali. Yes, indeed he can hit a few big hits in the lower order but chances of him leaking more runs are higher than the chances of him scorning big runs.

Once we get Haider and Nawaz in, our batting line becomes a lot more stronger. This will result us confidently taking chances in the playoffs and score at least 50 if not 60 by the end of 6 powerplay overs with a loss of one or two wickets.

We will still have a deep batting line to take us through the innings and hence the chances of hitting that 200 are higher.

Otherwise, if we bat first and score 180 odd against England Australia, IMO, our chances are very slim to defend it.

This toss and dew factor has killed the balance in the game, and if we are not alert and conscious of it, then we will have only ourselves to blame.

How many teams have chased 180 plus in this tournament?
 
Theres no way your gonna make 200 on these pitches Teams are gonna end up like WI collapsing and in the end giving the opppsition a paltry target instead These pitches arent suited to hitting straight from the off

Pakistan just needs to keep doing what they doing Go at 7 an over keeping wkts in hand and finishing hard in the end setting that 165-170

If a team can get that hats off to them and they deserve to win
 
If you are a good team, the toss would not make much of a difference. England about 47 for 3 after 10 overs, went on to make a Match winning 163
 
Most of the Posters are living in there own bubble and hate to be asked uncomfortable questions.

You have raised a very important point here and no one has really used any brains to take it seriously
and discuss about it. Pakistan has been chasing targets of around 150 and in that also they made meal
of 2. So, What target Pakistan will set in a knockout game?

Last few games have been high scoring. Pitch in Abu Dhabi has gone flat and there is Dew. You can't just laugh about it and dismiss everything to "So, What we have been winning".

The worst habit found in Sub-continent teams especially in Pakistan is that Cliche "never change the winning combination". Champion teams use apple for apple approach and keep there mind open
Pakistan doesn't have a batting order to chase anything above 150-160 nor will they go about setting
a target beyond this.

This world doesn't work as per your limitations and expectation. This team doesn't have a plan B to be honest they have punched above there weight. Fan's can only get behind there team and support it but those who are less blind can see the reality clearly and hope in vain for something do be done about it.
 
You are right that dew has given massive advantage to team chasing.

But there is actually another factor which team like India had to face a lot.
That is batting is considerably difficult at start because bowlers get better control and batsman find it hard to hit on sticky wicket. attacking from start becomes risky.

What can pakistan or other teams do?

Win toss and bowl, chase a 150 to 170 score,but this is obvious and depends on luck.

If you lose toss, then approach should be still to bat sedately and score 60 to 70 runs without losing many wickets
And look to score 100 to 120 in last 10 overs. Yes a risky approach but you cannot do much otherwise.
 
You win in the way England are playing . Don’t worry about the conditions and play with your strengths
 
You are right that dew has given massive advantage to team chasing.

But there is actually another factor which team like India had to face a lot.
That is batting is considerably difficult at start because bowlers get better control and batsman find it hard to hit on sticky wicket. attacking from start becomes risky.

What can pakistan or other teams do?

Win toss and bowl, chase a 150 to 170 score,but this is obvious and depends on luck.

If you lose toss, then approach should be still to bat sedately and score 60 to 70 runs without losing many wickets
And look to score 100 to 120 in last 10 overs. Yes a risky approach but you cannot do much otherwise.

Even if you do that, you need more batting power. You need Haider for a minimum if not Nawaz too.
 
Score 30 runs in first six overs without loss, score 30 in next 4 for one wicket, score 50 in next 5 for 2 more wickets, score 60 in last five with seven in hand.
Now try to defend 170
 
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Score 30 runs in first six overs without loss, score 30 in next 4 for one wicket, score 50 in next 5 for 2 more wickets, score 60 in last five with seven in hand.
Now try to defend 170

Nope, 170 is not enough to defend against strong batting sides when dew factor in the second innings, divides your bowling potency into half.

You NEED those extra 20 or 30 runs to reach as close to 200 as you can.

Even today it was proved.
WI, even with many of their main batsmen getting out cheaply, scored about 170 in the second innings.

It's very, very hard to defend 170 in dew against a good batting sides.
 
Pakistan are the weakest of Semi Finalists ultimately... No chance they win. I genuinely don't believe they can. They're due a collapse
 
Shadab has to step up. He is leaking way too many runs and doesnt pick up wickets lately.

EXACTLY!!

Either Hafeez to bowl Shadab's 4 overs or it should be shared between Hafeez n Malik.

We must sideline Shadab and bring Haider to increase our chances to get as close to 200 as we can, in case if we are to bat first

I just truly hope I don't have to bump this thread after a sad ending to Semis. God forbid.
 
This is exactly the reason why India lost to NZ. The moment they lost the toss, they were thinking about 180-190 to have that extra cushion for the bowlers. Over-estimating the target required!

Dew is a factor but not as glaring as people are making it out to be. Afghanistan and NZ both got less than India against us yet still ran us close despite of the dew factor. It simply means Indian bowlers failed to adapt to conditions as quickly as they should. Honestly, I dont see much potency in their attack either.

150-160 is enough to challenge teams on these grounds and it is that what we should be aiming it. On current form, we can go upwards to that. We've seen teams bundling out very cheaply for going too hard too early.
 
Shadab has to step up. He is leaking way too many runs and doesnt pick up wickets lately.

Shadab is massively overrated. On pitches where Rashid, Sodhi, Hasaranga are owning the batsman, Shaddy boy is barely economical. Just barely!
 
This is exactly the reason why India lost to NZ. The moment they lost the toss, they were thinking about 180-190 to have that extra cushion for the bowlers. Over-estimating the target required!

Dew is a factor but not as glaring as people are making it out to be. Afghanistan and NZ both got less than India against us yet still ran us close despite of the dew factor. It simply means Indian bowlers failed to adapt to conditions as quickly as they should. Honestly, I dont see much potency in their attack either.

150-160 is enough to challenge teams on these grounds and it is that what we should be aiming it. On current form, we can go upwards to that. We've seen teams bundling out very cheaply for going too hard too early.

How is 160 enough when WI scored about 170 today with all, except one, of their main batsmen not firing up at all, and yet the lost?
I repeat, 170 is NOT enough. Even 180 is NOT enough against strong batting lines.

And there is hardly any "adaption" to wet ball. If there was one, these pros would've figured it way before us.
There is a reason why dew has a drastic effect. There is no remedy except to dry the ball with a towel, and yet it sill slips through the fingers.
 
170-175 is enough. 160 is probably about par but you'd have to bowl very well.

Windies only got to 170 because they got 30 odd in the last 2 overs when the game was already over and Sri Lanka lowered their intensity.

Dew has been a factor but not a huge factor. Plenty of chases in this tournament have been close - a lot of times the favourites have won chasing ie. that was the result you'd expect whoever was batting first.

The bigger issue has been teams not setting more than 140-150 batting first.
 
Tell me one thing, if dew was such a decisive factor, how did Hasaranga managed to get 2/19 of his 5 overs today? And bowled 11th, 13th, 15th & 17th over when due should've been at its peak. How come a leg spinner didnt had any problems with dew?

The seamers that went for runs are simply not of great quality. Naveen ul haq was bowling unplayable yorkers to us at Dubai in 18th over so why due was not affecting him?

The point is simple. Due is not a huge factor. It is a factor yes but as decisive as perceived. India is the only team constantly complaining about it simply because they dont want to admit lack of potency in their bowling attack.
 
Tell me one thing, if dew was such a decisive factor, how did Hasaranga managed to get 2/19 of his 5 overs today? And bowled 11th, 13th, 15th & 17th over when due should've been at its peak. How come a leg spinner didnt had any problems with dew?

The seamers that went for runs are simply not of great quality. Naveen ul haq was bowling unplayable yorkers to us at Dubai in 18th over so why due was not affecting him?

The point is simple. Due is not a huge factor. It is a factor yes but as decisive as perceived. India is the only team constantly complaining about it simply because they dont want to admit lack of potency in their bowling attack.

Take a look at your ace bowler Shaheen’s figures in the last game when he bowled in dew.
 
That's why you have coaches and think tank so you can plan accordingly and have plan A and B.

The pressure of chasing in knockouts is something else. Even big big players succumb to it.
 
if you go with the mentality that you have score 200, then you will be bundled for 100. it works like that.

Anything more than 160 will be a winning total
 
A scenario where Australia wins the toss against Pakistan in Semi Final T20 WC

A hypothetical situation, where Finch wins the toss in World Cup T20 Semi Final against Babar Azam in Dubai night match on 11th Nov.

What should Pakistan Team management do in that scenario.

1) Shall they put Fakhar Zaman at Number 6.
2) Should Asif Ali come at 4
3) What total they should aim ( realistically).
4) Batting first India Sri lanka and Afghanistan scored 151,153,146 but it was not enough.
5) How much dew factor will come in.
6) Over all how much psychologically it will impact our players after losing the toss.

In short we need to be mentally prepared for everything as winning two vital tosses in Semi final or Final is honestly not easy. Yes luck can play it’s part as it played for Italians in recent Euro 2020 where they beat Spain and England in Semi final and Final on penalty shoot outs. But such stroke of luck is rare in international sport.

In 2010 T20 World cup Semi final. We scored 191 but choked.
Will that match play in Pakistan team’s mind facing Aussies on 11th.
 
You can only hope dew doesn't become a factor!

Against afg the dew wasn't there, so hope the same happens on that day.
 
ICC needs to clear out dew somehow for the semi finals. It will be a shame if toss decided the winner. Let the best team win!
 
You can't win or lose a game before it starts or even at the toss, for that matter.

So may things can go your way or against it in a very short amount of time.

What if Shaheen gets a 1st over hattrick or what if Pak top order collapses...

One thing is for certain, the team that performs better on the day will get the deserving ticket to final.

If Aussies are better than Pak, so be it.

We've had an excellent tournament so far by comprehensively beating India and New Zealand. No one can take it away! :)
 
You can't win or lose a game before it starts or even at the toss, for that matter.

So may things can go your way or against it in a very short amount of time.

What if Shaheen gets a 1st over hattrick or what if Pak top order collapses...

One thing is for certain, the team that performs better on the day will get the deserving ticket to final.

If Aussies are better than Pak, so be it.

We've had an excellent tournament so far by comprehensively beating India and New Zealand. No one can take it away! :)

Any tournament we don't win is a failure. We aren't minnows to have that mentality.
 
Win the toss, win the match. Both semi finals and final will be decided by the toss

So what should we do?
Get into nets and start practicing how to win the toss?

winning or losing the toss is not in our hands - but yes, winning the toss has a major advantage - the question is; what should we do if we lose the toss?

How can we put a large total on the board for our bowlers to defend it in dew?

Did you see how Shaheen bowled those Jaffas to Rohit and Rahul with a dry ball, but the same Shaheen couldn’t take a single wicket against the meager Namibia team when he bowled in dew?
 
Win the toss or close the toss Pakistan should be able to beat their opponents in the semi final.
 
If matches are in Dubai international stadium, PRAY

Look at results here batting first
55,151,143,154,147,125,110,172,210,73,85

Everytime chasing team won except NZ and India defended against lesser teams . And chasing teams won without breaking a sweat !!

These scores are par or above par in other grounds, that is massive disadvantage playing here
 
Nope, 170 is not enough to defend against strong batting sides when dew factor in the second innings, divides your bowling potency into half.

You NEED those extra 20 or 30 runs to reach as close to 200 as you can.

Even today it was proved.
WI, even with many of their main batsmen getting out cheaply, scored about 170 in the second innings.

It's very, very hard to defend 170 in dew against a good batting sides.

Agree to disagree. If you bowl well - 145 is par score imo.
 
Nope, 170 is not enough to defend against strong batting sides when dew factor in the second innings, divides your bowling potency into half.

You NEED those extra 20 or 30 runs to reach as close to 200 as you can.

Even today it was proved.
WI, even with many of their main batsmen getting out cheaply, scored about 170 in the second innings.

It's very, very hard to defend 170 in dew against a good batting sides.

Agree to disagree. If you bowl well - 145 is par score imo.

Ha!
Yeah right!

Read the entire thread from begining.

This is exactly what I feared, and this exactly what happened. And this was the only way Pakistan was gonna lose this game. And lo and behold, this is exactly the base we did not cover.
 
Ha!
Yeah right!

Read the entire thread from begining.

This is exactly what I feared, and this exactly what happened. And this was the only way Pakistan was gonna lose this game. And lo and behold, this is exactly the base we did not cover.

Well done Sir. That was some keen foresight.
 
Ha!
Yeah right!

Read the entire thread from begining.

This is exactly what I feared, and this exactly what happened. And this was the only way Pakistan was gonna lose this game. And lo and behold, this is exactly the base we did not cover.

Pakistan did everything they possibly could have while batting first. They played a high percentage of attacking strokes - highest for any team in the tournament .

176 can be defended. It's the highest ever score that was chased at Dubai involving non minnows and the wnd highest chase ever.

If Pakistan looked to attack more, it could have easily backfired as well.

The bowling needs to be spot on though while defending such a total and it wasnt.
 
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