Imad Wasim - an option for Tests?

[Slog]

Is his bowling of a good enough standard?

He has been good enough in ODIs so far as he cramps the batsman for space and is economical so ends up taking wickets as batsmen try to score. But in tests this will not be the case so the question is whether his bowling is good enough to be effective in Tests.

Batting I think is of good standard.

Of course space is an issue but we play Yasir and then Malik and Imad as supporting spinners and add 2 pacers to that we can have a lot of bowling options

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Batting is excellent but needs to prove himself in odis a bit more where is bowling is good because of his excellent variations

 

[Haroon786]

Apparently he doesn't spin the ball much.

 

[ExplicitAI]

It would be a good choice in the long term. He has a deadly arm ball

 

[taqi]

I am sure he'll do better than Zulfi

 

[Barragan]

He can play as an A/R, but who do you drop?

Probably drop shafiq and move Sarfraz up to no. 6, with Imad at no. 7 as the A/R.

Yasir, Zafar/Zulfi, Imad and Malik will form an excellent quartet.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Batting - yes
Bowling - how? doesn't even spin the ball

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

been saying it since the tour of sri lanka, given our current option Imad is a good pick to go in tandem with Yasir. Keep it tight, build pressure, not to mention the batting dept he will add

 

[#GreenRoars]

If we don't have any better option, then i think he can be good

 

[zabalestmsm]

Well he should replace Malik as a batting all rounder in future.

 

[Abdul]

Imad Wasim at #8 gives Pakistan a bit of batting depth. But yes, he is not an ideal solution at the moment.

Better would be to have Zafar Gohar with Yasir Shah in future.

 

[ChachaCricket]

He should replace Malik.

 

[Mamoon]

Can't be worse than Zulfiqar Babar.

 

[shah_1]

There are better options than him, he can't spin the ball.

 

[msb314]

1) Shehzad
2) Azhar
3) Malik
4) YK
5) Misbah
6) Shafiq
7) Sarfraz
8) Imad
9) Wahab
10) Yasir
11) Rahat Ali

 

[shah_1]

Zafar Gohar should be selected, he deserves it more than Imad. When you have better spinners than him why pick him.?

 

[samiakh]

1) Shehzad
2) Azhar
3) Malik
4) YK
5) Misbah
6) Shafiq
7) Sarfraz
8) Imad
9) Wahab
10) Yasir
11) Rahat Ali

Hafeez scored 98 and 34 in the first test on what basis would you drop him? Imran over Rahat any day

 

[Justcrazy]

been saying it since the tour of sri lanka, given our current option Imad is a good pick to go in tandem with Yasir. Keep it tight, build pressure, not to mention the batting dept he will add

Good point. He can keep it tight one end.

Worth trying.

 

[Slog]

What do people think now?

For me i think its stupid to not be playing a spin all rounder instead of the 2nd spinner in UAE

Chuck out Zulfi.

Bring in Imad or Nawaz

Nawaz is better spinner but imads better batsman

 

[hur rizvi]

He is not a test class bowler. Can be third spinner in UAE. I would rather like Nawaz to replace Iftikhar in Oval test XI.

 

[hur rizvi]

For 1st test against WI

Sami
Azhar
Asad
Younus
Misbah (c)
Sarfraz
Nawaz/Imad
Yasir
Wahab
Amir
Asghar

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He can replace Hafeez in the lineup but should bat at 6 or 7. Can be the 3rd spinner along with Yasir and Asghar/Zafar.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

For 1st test against WI

Sami
Azhar
Asad
Younus
Misbah (c)
Sarfraz
Nawaz/Imad
Yasir
Wahab
Amir
Asghar

This is a good lineup I think.

 

[gazza619]

Batting - yes
Bowling - how? doesn't even spin the ball

Still a better option than the legendary Iftikhar Ahmed.


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[Moiza]

What do people think now?

For me i think its stupid to not be playing a spin all rounder instead of the 2nd spinner in UAE

Chuck out Zulfi.

Bring in Imad or Nawaz

Nawaz is better spinner but imads better batsman

Imad is light years away from being a test bowler. Not playing a spin all rounder is a very idea either consider our top and middle order fairs well in dubai but if you were to play one of the two options then nawaz is the clear winner purely because of him being a spinner and not a darter. Imad's bowling has a very low chance of getting wickets in tests. I'd also be willing to give asghar a try, we are in dire need of an attacking spin bowler besides yasir.

 

[Moiza]

For 1st test against WI

Sami
Azhar
Asad
Younus
Misbah (c)
Sarfraz
Nawaz/Imad
Yasir
Wahab
Amir
Asghar

Good enough. Although in place of a spin all rounder I'd be playing babar, we have enough bowling to bowl a team out in dubai. However we will be going to New zealand and Australia and that needs to be considered too so Imad or nawaz might be a bad option considering we dont have a fast bowling all rounder and in the upcoming tours 3 spinners wont work.

 

[fazleefridi]

1st win 2 tests against WI wit usual line up, then we shud experiment in t 3rd test(only if we have won 1st 2..if we draw even 1 match in first 2..then we shud not experiment with nawaz/ imad in t 3rd)

3rd test line up

1.Sami
2.Azhar
3.Shafiq
4.Younis
5.Misbah
6.Sarfraz
7.Nawaz(I wil prefer nawaz as he spins it and also I think his batting is much suited for tests.Has temperament.Whereas imad will b much useful than him in LOIs)
8.Yasir
9.Amir
10.Wahab
11.Babar(I wud hav preferred Asghar butt misbah is t captain)

 

[fazleefridi]

Both Nawaz nd Imad are similar players.So we can't hav them in playing 11.

It wil b useful if we groom Nawaz for tests...nd Imad for LOIs

2017 t spin bowing shud b lik this

Tests:2 spinners 1 AR

Nawaz
Yasir
Asghar

LOIs:1 spinner 1 AR

Imad
Gohar/Asghar(Whoever is better wicket taking option in middle overs.If both are same I would go wit zafar as he can hit a few)

 

[yasir]

No, he is not an option for test. He does not spin, nor flight, you cannot be a test bowler without those basic skills. Nawaz is much better in that regard. Asghar is even better but he cannot bat. Asghar and Nawaz has to improve their batting to be automatic choice in UAE. Yasir and Amir has shown sign of improvement in batting department, which is a positive sign, because those two are automatic test choices in every conditions. If remain fit, they will improve a whole lot in next two years...Its very important for your bowlers to bat, specially the tier 1 bowlers, since they play every match.

Immad batting is much better than others, but at test level he may not be that useful. His bowling has to improve a whole lot, in fact it has to be completely changed, which is close to impossible.

 

[MRSN]

lol thread is by Slog so not surprised.

Immad cannot turn ,has no variations so he will be easy picking in tests. Should be playing only LOIs but he needs to improve his bowling if he wants to be successful otherwise he will be a mediocre all rounder in the leagues of Anwar Ali.

 

[street cricketer]

He will not pick many wickets in Tests.

He generates only overspin, no side spin. Also not enough flight and variations, so won't trouble batsmen in test cricket.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Still same, he is not made for Test. Better bring specialist spinners.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

M Nawaz is the only who can occupy nr 7 and support Yasir Shah. Imad's bowling is useless in tests as batsmen can just tuk him away.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Still a better option than the legendary Iftikhar Ahmed.


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Don't forget that Misbah and inzi wanted an offspinner at any cost.

 

[Big Mac]

He is not a test class bowler. Can be third spinner in UAE. I would rather like Nawaz to replace Iftikhar in Oval test XI.

He's not even an ODI class bowler.

 

[hussain.r97]

Nawaz is a much better choice.

 

[Pete Rose]

I think nawaz is a better option. Pretty sure we haven't seen the best of his batting.

 

[Fahdi]

I'd rather have Nawaz but both should make the squad. Nawaz is the better bowler and that's the primary role we are looking for. Zulfi should be replaced by either one of these two.

What we really need are fast bowling allrounders for the upcoming tours.

 

[gazza619]

Don't forget that Misbah and inzi wanted an offspinner at any cost.

True, thanks to the many left handers in the England side. I actually think that M Nawaz is technically better equipped to play test matches. I mean he will not put the world on fire but is not a bad option for now.

I may be wrong but Imad also does not seem to have the fitness to play a test match.


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[Seamer]

The future test team should look like this:

1. Azhar Ali
2. Sami Aslam
3. Asad Shafiq
4. Babar Azam
5. Haris Sohail
6. Sarfaraz
7. Zafar Gohar
8. Amir
9. Yasir Shah
10. Rahat Ali/ Ehsan Adil
11. Imran Khan

 

[aloo paratha]

His style of bowling makes me think he won't get many wickets in tests compared to ODIs as in tests the batsmen aren't going to take risks. I don't think his bowling has the ability to make the batsmen make a mistake, rather it's the batsmen himself who does something stupid. If he can bowl a ball that actually spins more aften than he does now, with the arm ball he can be pretty lethal!

 

[Justcrazy]

The future test team should look like this:

1. Azhar Ali
2. Sami Aslam
3. Asad Shafiq
4. Babar Azam
5. Haris Sohail
6. Sarfaraz
7. Zafar Gohar
8. Amir
9. Yasir Shah
10. Rahat Ali/ Ehsan Adil
11. Imran Khan

This may work in UAE , but if you play in England , SA , Australia you need seam bowling all rounders.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Should Imad Wasim be considered for the test squad?

Test side desperately needs a genuine all rounder I think.

 

[Rayyman]

Well... Nawaz was given a chance, but his batting wasn't good enough. Wasim is a better batsman than Nawaz, but his bowling is worse. I still think Imad is a better choice than Nawaz. I think Asghar is a bit too raw, he is young for a spinner and he can't bat at all. So they should go with Imad and Yasir and 3 pacers for the bowling attack in Asia. A pace all-rounder can replace Imad outside Asia.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Well... Nawaz was given a chance, but his batting wasn't good enough. Wasim is a better batsman than Nawaz, but his bowling is worse. I still think Imad is a better choice than Nawaz. I think Asghar is a bit too raw, he is young for a spinner and he can't bat at all. So they should go with Imad and Yasir and 3 pacers for the bowling attack in Asia. A pace all-rounder can replace Imad outside Asia.

Why not stick with Imad even outside Asia for a while? He can be our Vettori, his strength is his skiddy arm balls not turn, although I think Imad should learn how to turn the ball regularly, I've seen him taking wickets when he tried to turn the ball a few times, he can do it.
I think he is better batsman than Nawaz too.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Imad needs to start batting up higher the order. He would be my no.5 in tests.

 

[Square Drive]

Will still be premature to discard Nawaz.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Imad needs to start batting up higher the order. He would be my no.5 in tests.

I agree, I think he deserve that in ODIs too, maybe he should get a chance against Windies

 

[Messiah]

No. His bowling isn't suited to tests. Only in minefields

 

[Sub-Zero]

No. His bowling isn't suited to tests. Only in minefields

How can you say that? He doesn't necessarily needs turn everytime to get a wicket or stop runs, I mean look at O'Keefe he doesn't turn much, but still looks good, Vettori and Kumble proved to the World that you don't need turn to get wickets as a spinner, I'm not comparing Imad with anyone but just saying he should get a chance, his first class record is good too

 

[Rayyman]

Imad needs to start batting up higher the order. He would be my no.5 in tests.

Hitting doesn't matter in Tests.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Will still be premature to discard Nawaz.

Why not keep Nawaz in the squad and discard Rizwan from the test side? Rizwan is not getting a shot at number 4 spot which is his spot in the first class and he's scored runs there, he can't bat in the lower order, and Pakistan can't afford to play a keeper who is useless with the bat, already batting line up is getting weaker

 

[Sub-Zero]

Hitting doesn't matter in Tests.

I think there's more to his game than just hitting, remember that Lord's ODI match last summer where we lost 3 wickets for 2 runs and Sarfraz and Imad carried the batting? Imad showed there that he can bat sensibly

 

[Rayyman]

I think there's more to his game than just hitting, remember that Lord's ODI match last summer where we lost 3 wickets for 2 runs and Sarfraz and Imad carried the batting? Imad showed there that he can bat sensibly

Yea, but Top 5 is packed with Shafiq, YK and Babar.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Yea, but Top 5 is packed with Shafiq, YK and Babar.

Well at least he can get a chance against weak opposition, next 2 series are against Windies and Bangladeshis, why not try some new guys?

 

[Rayyman]

Well at least he can get a chance against weak opposition, next 2 series are against Windies and Bangladeshis, why not try some new guys?

It'll be a miracle if Hafeez, Misbah, and Malik retire. Let alone try some new guys.

 

[Seamer]

I would have him in the team for wi.

1. Azhar Ali
2. Sami Aslam
3. Babar Azam
4. Usman Salahudin
5. Younis Khan
6. Sarfaraz
7. Imad Wasim
8. Yasir Shah
9. Amir
10. Hassan Ali
11. Mir Hamza

 

[Rayyman]

I would have him in the team for wi.

1. Azhar Ali
2. Sami Aslam
3. Babar Azam
4. Usman Salahudin
5. Younis Khan
6. Sarfaraz
7. Imad Wasim
8. Yasir Shah
9. Amir
10. Hassan Ali
11. Mir Hamza

Lol. Why would you replace Shafiq with Imad Wasim?

 

[Sub-Zero]

It'll be a miracle if Hafeez, Misbah, and Malik retire. Let alone try some new guys.

Well... word is Misbah will go on the WI tour and that will be his last series, Malik has already retired from tests, and I think Hafeez will be back in the test squad knowing the management
Let's hope some new guys get at least a match or 2

 

[Sub-Zero]

Lol. Why would you replace Shafiq with Imad Wasim?

Shafiq is the most inconsistent batsman really (YK and Misbah are at the end of their careers and a lot of big players have bad patches towards the end of their careers, even Tendulkar and Ponting went through it), he is supposed to be at his peak but instead he bagged 5 ducks last year, record most by a Pakistani test batsman in a calendar year

 

[Rayyman]

Shafiq is the most inconsistent batsman really (YK and Misbah are at the end of their careers and a lot of big players have bad patches towards the end of their careers, even Tendulkar and Ponting went through it), he is supposed to be at his peak but instead he bagged 5 ducks last year, record most by a Pakistani test batsman in a calendar year

3. Babar Azam 4. Usman Salahudin 5. Younis Khan 6. Sarfaraz 7. Imad Wasim

This middle-order you listed is too inexperienced. Shafiq would make it better.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I would have him in the team for wi.

1. Azhar Ali
2. Sami Aslam
3. Babar Azam
4. Usman Salahudin
5. Younis Khan
6. Sarfaraz
7. Imad Wasim
8. Yasir Shah
9. Amir
10. Hassan Ali
11. Mir Hamza

I'd replace Sami Aslam with Sharjeel, we should try both of them I guess
Hasan Ali won't be succesful in tests I think
Amir and the rest of the seamers needs a rest surely after their disappointing display
Mir Hamza is a very good choice, I'd include Abbas, Sadaf, Tabish and Sameen Gul in the squad too

 

[Rayyman]

He needs to spin it more.

 

[Sub-Zero]

3. Babar Azam 4. Usman Salahudin 5. Younis Khan 6. Sarfaraz 7. Imad Wasim

This middle-order you listed is too inexperienced. Shafiq would make it better.

It wasn't me, someone else
my squad would be
Azhar
Sami Aslam/Sharjeel
Babar
Younis
Usman Salahuddin/Asif Zakir/Fawad Alam
Sarfraz
Imad Wasim
Yasir
Abbas
Tabish/Sameen Gul
Sadaf/Mir Hamza

 

[Ellipsism]

I'd replace Sami Aslam with Sharjeel, we should try both of them I guess
Hasan Ali won't be succesful in tests I think
Amir and the rest of the seamers needs a rest surely after their disappointing display
Mir Hamza is a very good choice, I'd include Abbas, Sadaf, Tabish and Sameen Gul in the squad too

Abbas- 130-135 KPH and can seam the ball if conditions allow it.

Sadaf- Will never be picked

Mir Hamza- 130-135 KPH and can swing the ball.

Tabish- 130-132 KPH can swing the ball if conditions allow so.

Sameen Gul- 130-132 KPH inswingers.

Look past domestic statistics, they never paint the right picture.

 

[Rayyman]

Wasim has a good 1st-class average for someone batting at #5/6.

 

[Square Drive]

Why not keep Nawaz in the squad and discard Rizwan from the test side? Rizwan is not getting a shot at number 4 spot which is his spot in the first class and he's scored runs there, he can't bat in the lower order, and Pakistan can't afford to play a keeper who is useless with the bat, already batting line up is getting weaker

Rizwan's role for now is that of a backup WK.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Not at all. Very good Limited Overs all rounder but should stick to that format. His bowling will be useless in Tests

 

[coy0607]

at this point I would say he's more of a bits and pieces cricketer than a complete all-rounder

I don't think he's good enough to be a no. 7 test batsmen or a fifth bowler - let alone both

I'll keep him to LOIs for now

 

[Sub-Zero]

Abbas- 130-135 KPH and can seam the ball if conditions allow it.

Sadaf- Will never be picked

Mir Hamza- 130-135 KPH and can swing the ball.

Tabish- 130-132 KPH can swing the ball if conditions allow so.

Sameen Gul- 130-132 KPH inswingers.

Look past domestic statistics, they never paint the right picture.

Conditions in WI will likely be similar to Pakistan, either flat pitch or a green top, domestic bowlers won't be clueless there I think, and West Indies don't have any world class batsmen either who will destroy them easily.
the guys who have been performing in the first class must get a chance now after miserable performance by current lot of fast bowlers in the team, they are not that fast either, only Wahab can bowl at 90 mph consistently in tests, and he's inconsistent too like the rest, he couldn't figure out how not to bowl no balls in such a long time it's mind boggling, he took the most wickets in the last test series for Pakistan but still he was bowling like a mediocre fast bowlers most of the times, he'd come into the attack and concede 10-12 runs in an over and kill any momentum the other bowlers have built, I don't even wanna start about the others, everyone is disappointed by their performance, they could not even impress in the seamer friendly conditions in NZ
I'm sick of the current lot of fast bowlers just want some new fast bowlers in the team now, West indies tour might be the perfect opportunity for trying out new guys, they are literally the weakest test team right now after Zimbabwe, Bangladesh is getting better than them

 

[Rayyman]

at this point I would say he's more of a bits and pieces cricketer than a complete all-rounder

I don't think he's good enough to be a no. 7 test batsmen or a fifth bowler - let alone both

I'll keep him to LOIs for now

He's good enough for #7. An average of 40-odd in 1st-class cricket. He'll definitely be a better 5th bowler than Shafiq or Azhar. He has an average of 31 w/the ball.

 

[Rayyman]

Conditions in WI will likely be similar to Pakistan, either flat pitch or a green top, domestic bowlers won't be clueless there I think, and West Indies don't have any world class batsmen either who will destroy them easily.
the guys who have been performing in the first class must get a chance now after miserable performance by current lot of fast bowlers in the team, they are not that fast either, only Wahab can bowl at 90 mph consistently in tests, and he's inconsistent too like the rest, he couldn't figure out how not to bowl no balls in such a long time it's mind boggling, he took the most wickets in the last test series for Pakistan but still he was bowling like a mediocre fast bowlers most of the times, he'd come into the attack and concede 10-12 runs in an over and kill any momentum the other bowlers have built, I don't even wanna start about the others, everyone is disappointed by their performance, they could not even impress in the seamer friendly conditions in NZ
I'm sick of the current lot of fast bowlers just want some new fast bowlers in the team now, West indies tour might be the perfect opportunity for trying out new guys, they are literally the weakest test team right now after Zimbabwe, Bangladesh is getting better than them

The same WI beat us at home recently. We can only destroy Zim. in the longest format.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

We don't need an allrounder anymore. Azhar's well capable of bowling 10 overs. We just need a third seamer who can bowl 20 with consistency.

 

[Sub-Zero]

The same WI beat us at home recently. We can only destroy Zim. in the longest format.

it was clear that we collapsed and bowlers were mediocre, West Indies worked hard but it was bad decision making, complacency and inconsistency that cost us that game, along with the captaincy of Misbah who played Zulfiqar Babar inplace of 3rd seamer when the pitch was supporting seamers more than spinners

 

[Markhor]

Conditions in WI will likely be similar to Pakistan, either flat pitch or a green top

West Indies conditions are almost universally slow, low turners. The vast majority of bowlers who top the charts in domestic cricket are spinners. You can look at the best bowlers in each FC season and its usually guys like Nikita Miller, Veerasammy Permaul, Rakheem Cornwall and Shane Shillingford.

We played 3 spinners in Ajmal, Hafeez and Rehman on our last tour in 2011. I'll be surprised if we don't go in with at least two - my preference would be Yasir and Asghar.

 

[Sub-Zero]

West Indies conditions are almost universally slow, low turners. The vast majority of bowlers who top the charts in domestic cricket are spinners. You can look at the best bowlers in each FC season and its usually guys like Nikita Miller, Veerasammy Permaul, Rakheem Cornwall and Shane Shillingford.

We played 3 spinners in Ajmal, Hafeez and Rehman on our last tour in 2011. I'll be surprised if we don't go in with at least two - my preference would be Yasir and Asghar.

You're right but they will likely play at least one test or maybe 2 on a green top, that will definitely be helpful for any new seamer from our domestic circuit that we wanna try
On India's tour of WI, their fast bowlers performed really well, Shami, Ishant and Bhuvaneshvar, all did well there, and Cummins performed really well too, Ashwin was the highest wicket taker but the next 3 highest wicket takers were fast bowlers
It's about time we try our new seamers