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Imam-ul-Haq has a better cricketing brain than Fakhar Zaman

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Particularly impresssed with Imam’s batting today - very composed and sensible.

Fakhar on the other hand really needs to do better - disappointed with Fakhar recently :danish
 
Imam will be a key player for us over the next 12-15 years haters like Syed 1 can keep on calling him ****** for all their life
 
This is imams role , Fakhar has different role . Imam tried to be fakhar vs India hence failed
 
Stop with the competition amongst team members. Why does it always have to be player A vs Player B and not Player A & Player B working together for the team's benefit.
 
Boi said:
Then why didn’t Imam tell Fakhar review?
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Arham_PakFan said:
This.
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Are you guys serious? You have got to be kidding me. It is not his responsibility or his job to see something that even the Umpires eyes wont see. Imam is not a cyborg with an X-Ray vision computer fitted in his eyes. If an experienced, professional Umpire who is QUALIFIED could not find enough reason to give it Not Out. How is Imam Ul Haq supposed to, ESPECIALLY under the pressure of wrongly using the sole review Pakistan has in a do or die match - all in the space of 30 seconds?

Your excuses baffle me. Judge Imam for his sublime knock that he has played today. I don't understand the reason for such uncalled for hate.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Are you guys serious? You have got to be kidding me. It is not his responsibility or his job to see something that even the Umpires eyes wont see. Imam is not a cyborg with an X-Ray vision computer fitted in his eyes. If an experienced, professional Umpire who is QUALIFIED could not find enough reason to give it Not Out. How is Imam Ul Haq supposed to, ESPECIALLY under the pressure of wrongly using the sole review Pakistan has in a do or die match - all in the space of 30 seconds?

Your excuses baffle me. Judge Imam for his sublime knock that he has played today. I don't understand the reason for such uncalled for hate.
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Dude, umpires are expected to make the wrong decisions here and there, imam should’ve seen that fakhar was outside the line, he let his partner down!
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Dude, umpires are expected to make the wrong decisions here and there, imam should’ve seen that fakhar was outside the line, he let his partner down!
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And Imam is an elite icc umpire who can correct umpires mistakes while concentrating on his batting
 
Wait, wasn't Azhar scoring at a faster rate than Imam and that too against tougher opponents in foreign conditions? He was being constantly bashed for not scoring fast enough..
 
There were some who wanted Imam dropped despite him being one of the two most consistent scorers.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Are you guys serious? You have got to be kidding me. It is not his responsibility or his job to see something that even the Umpires eyes wont see. Imam is not a cyborg with an X-Ray vision computer fitted in his eyes. If an experienced, professional Umpire who is QUALIFIED could not find enough reason to give it Not Out. How is Imam Ul Haq supposed to, ESPECIALLY under the pressure of wrongly using the sole review Pakistan has in a do or die match - all in the space of 30 seconds?

Your excuses baffle me. Judge Imam for his sublime knock that he has played today. I don't understand the reason for such uncalled for hate.
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Imam has played well.

I was only responding to OPs claim that he has a better cricketing brain than Fakhar. Sure if that was the case brainy Imam would’ve spotted the wrong LBW decision? :yk
 
Xoib said:
And Imam is an elite icc umpire who can correct umpires mistakes while concentrating on his batting
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If he can’t tell wether the decision was correct or not then why bother even consulting with fakhar in the first place? Should’ve told fakhar to do it if he wants!
 
Do we really need to compare our own Openers now? They are 2 different batsman with different mindset and strategies? Really? Really? Realllyyy? :facepalm:
 
Imam Ul Haq is bang average. He can score very well but only when he’s faced extra 20-25 balls.

300 on board, your team is chasing, Imam’s “brain” will be pointless.
 
Imam is solid and will become a decent test player but for me he lacks the range of stroke play to become a good odi player. But he is at this point no better or worse than any other player bar Fakhar who remains the only player with the X factor.
 
He is a mediocre player who can perform against the likes of SL,Ban and Afg and can win his team matches against them.

Fakhar, if he clicks, can win matches against any team but he will find it hard to click against a high quality bowling attacks.
 
If Pak wanted an anchor at the top, then why dispose of Azhar?

Azhar is the superior batsman and it gives Pak a right/left hand combo.
 
OP mentioned the word "brain". That's the real problem. Us pakistanis don't like people with brains who are thoughtful and calculated. Average pakistani will pick afridi, nazir, umar akmal over misbah, imam, azhar, etc. Same attitude is reflected on PP.
 
Said it multiple times, Fakhar is going to run out of good form at some stage, not just now but during the longish WC. I don't see any Pakistan opening combination playing all 9-11 matches. Hence they need to have one of Kamran or Azhar Ali or Hafeez in the team as back up openers.
 
Fakhar got out wrongly today so this doesnt counts.

You dont have to put down one player to praise another. Imam played a superb knock but there is still an issue on if he can help Pakistan in achieving higher totals because his and Babar's SR is a big issue.
 
Poor Kid get lots of stick being bhanja but he turned up today and played under pressure... Great to see him being so mature.
 
Plumb said:
Poor Kid get lots of stick being bhanja but he turned up today and played under pressure... Great to see him being so mature.
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Lol, man, it was a game losing innings. On that pitch, both him and Babar were too slow. I don't mind him because he's better than what we have, but let's not hype it up to be some amazing innings where he turned up.

Had he stayed 10 more overs, we'd have lost
 
InziRules said:
Lol, man, it was a game losing innings. On that pitch, both him and Babar were too slow. I don't mind him because he's better than what we have, but let's not hype it up to be some amazing innings where he turned up.

Had he stayed 10 more overs, we'd have lost
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If you have played little bit of cricket you wouldn't make such statements. Only time will tell how he plays but he has shown glimpse of being a good player. SR and Strike Rotation can be fixed, its his initial stages in the Intl Arena
 
Plumb said:
If you have played little bit of cricket you wouldn't make such statements. Only time will tell how he plays but he has shown glimpse of being a good player. SR and Strike Rotation can be fixed, its his initial stages in the Intl Arena
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Like I said, he has talent, and he's better than what we have, but this innings wasn't some clutch knock
 
InziRules said:
Like I said, he has talent, and he's better than what we have, but this innings wasn't some clutch knock
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Absolutely!!! 153 Runs Partnership in 33 overs Chasing a 250 runs against quality spinners in UAE coming on to play a game after thrashing from Ind... True not a clutch Innings:ishant
 
Plumb said:
Absolutely!!! 153 Runs Partnership in 33 overs Chasing a 250 runs against quality spinners in UAE coming on to play a game after thrashing from Ind... True not a clutch Innings:ishant
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We needed 258 off 300. Remove Imam's and it becomes 178 off 196, a much harder task.
 
My only response to people here praising Imam is: How exactly is Imam different than Azhar Ali? Wasnt Azhar Ali disposed so that we could bring a more dynamic and attacking opener to the side? Imam has the same issues Azhar had: Poor strike rate, inability to find gaps and rotate strike and limited strokes. So what exactly has he done to get this praise when at the same time Azhar Ali was bashed?
 
Poor today from FZ. Also 1st game vs India he gave it away. Normally he takes his time. Why the ... he needs to sweep in 1st over.

Just bat for 5 overs and then get going!
 
Haleem-ul-Hassan said:
My only response to people here praising Imam is: How exactly is Imam different than Azhar Ali? Wasnt Azhar Ali disposed so that we could bring a more dynamic and attacking opener to the side? Imam has the same issues Azhar had: Poor strike rate, inability to find gaps and rotate strike and limited strokes. So what exactly has he done to get this praise when at the same time Azhar Ali was bashed?
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Because he was not consistant like imam in odi's....plus i want him to succeed because i want a captain far pak who can speak fluent english and i see future captain in Imam.
 
Imam has done as well as he could have so far. I don't know if he will be found out in the future or not, and there is no doubt he is slow, but he has been super prolific. If his surname was not ul-Haq, he would be getting a longer rope from our fans.

Sahibzada Farhan seems to be the latest savior hyped by the delusional fans. I am 99% sure that he too will be out of his depth against top-flight teams, such is the state of Pakistan cricket today.
 
Imam played well but Fakhar fell a good delivery which he probably should have reviewed. With that being said Fakhar is still a vital player for Pakistan. Imam played a quality knock and used all his experience of playing the UAE. That doesn't mean he has better brains than Fakhar Zaman.
 
Imam is truly the find of last one year, great future ahead of him. His game will only improve once Inzi the selector will be gone, sooner is better.
 
Mamoon said:
Imam has done as well as he could have so far. I don't know if he will be found out in the future or not, and there is no doubt he is slow, but he has been super prolific. If his surname was not ul-Haq, he would be getting a longer rope from our fans.

Sahibzada Farhan seems to be the latest savior hyped by the delusional fans. I am 99% sure that he too will be out of his depth against top-flight teams, such is the state of Pakistan cricket today.
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Can you differentiate between Imam ul Haq and Azhar Ali?
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Can you differentiate between Imam ul Haq and Azhar Ali?
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Not at the moment, but Imam is 22 and Azhar is in his mid 30s. Imam has a 10% chance of improving his SR while maintain his prolific run scoring, but Azhar has 0% chance.

Considering the odds, I will stick with Imam over Azhar.
 
He is a calm head. Pakistan should give him enough chances instead of hating him for being a relative of Inzi
 
Asher in ODIs would have given his wicket away under pressure early on. Imam has been sensational for Pakistan. For a young man with such a cool temperment is real admirable. He would add more strokes the more he plays. Lol at those who criticising Fakhar now that too after being given out on incorrect decision by umpire.
 
InziRules said:
Lol, man, it was a game losing innings. On that pitch, both him and Babar were too slow. I don't mind him because he's better than what we have, but let's not hype it up to be some amazing innings where he turned up.

Had he stayed 10 more overs, we'd have lost
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Why do you chooos to ignore the fact that he had begun to up the ante and was looking for boundaries every over. Heck, the guy started hitting sixes and fours and was looking to hit more.

After Fakhar had just perished, the occasion DEMANDED him to play the way he did; slow, fast or however but to ensure he stays in the middle to avoid another collapse.
 
Mamoon said:
Imam has done as well as he could have so far. I don't know if he will be found out in the future or not, and there is no doubt he is slow, but he has been super prolific. If his surname was not ul-Haq, he would be getting a longer rope from our fans.

Sahibzada Farhan seems to be the latest savior hyped by the delusional fans. I am 99% sure that he too will be out of his depth against top-flight teams, such is the state of Pakistan cricket today.
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Sahibzada Farhan is not half the cricketer people on PP make him out to be. The craze for him has somewhat died down since he made his PSL debut when people got to see his major technical flaws, but as it is, there is still the unified call for him to be inducted. The guy on the bench always seems like a better option.

I have seen Farhan play and practice live and trust you me, even the likes of Sami Aslam are better suited to playing ODIs than him. In the supposed amazing Pakistan cup Farhan had, Aslam had more runs, at a better strike rate, with more sixes and a better average yet no one even mentioned him because obviously, we like tullay-baaz hacks.
 
I think the more apt thing to say is that Imam seems to be the better studier of the game, while Fakhar is more mentally rigid. It was quite evident that Imam had studied the Afghani spinners' actions and their respective variations. He seems the person who would analyse the opposition in great detail, while Fakhar seems to rely more on his ability to tackle anything the opposition will throw at him. Along with Babar, the contrasting styles of the openers makes up a very good combination at the top. Just need Haris to be confident at the #4 role and we will have an excellent batting line-up.

I was quite surprised that Fakhar didn't seem to pick Mujeeb. Went for the sweep when he couldn't decipher the variation. Expected him to do better as he would've played in him in the nets when both were playing for the Pakthoon team in the T10 league last year.
 
He is the next best thing happened to pak cricket since Babar Azam, it's horrifying to see that even a decent education can't change pak fans paindu mentality, parha likha jahil is what we call them.
 
I m happy for him.He has shut his haters with this knock.Hopefully he plays for many more years and make his haters cry.
 
early SR is overrated. Far more important to play yourself in and ability to get yourself in against better bowlers/difficult conditions.

As far as strike rate goes, it's more important to be able to accelerate once set. Going hard and getting out cheaply is no good. On the other hand if you don't accelerate and leave the hitting to others, that's not great either. The most effective, least risk strategy by modern batsmen today is that the batsmen who have worked themselves in are the guys who up the SR. Give the guy new at the crease time to play in.

Unfortunately the majority of our batsmen can't dig in and accelerate. Hafeez and Malik can do it, but overall they're not great batsmen and Hafeez is out of form now (and still arguably a bit slow early on). Babar can do it to a degree. But that's it. Haris, Imam, Azhar tend to belong to the school who can potentially use their brain and dig in at the top but they struggle to up the scoring and freely score. Sarfraz, Asif, Fakhar they tend to go big or go home from ball one. Part of the reason why Fakhar's struggling so much is he's being forced to play himself in, which is something he's not used to.

We really just need more adaptable batsmen, but unfortunately they're not around. What really sticks out with the Kohli, Rohit even Dhawan, these guys know how to play themselves in, and then are confident at accelerating once set. But we just don't have batsmen with the same skillset as these atm. Babar's the closest one.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Sahibzada Farhan is not half the cricketer people on PP make him out to be. The craze for him has somewhat died down since he made his PSL debut when people got to see his major technical flaws, but as it is, there is still the unified call for him to be inducted. The guy on the bench always seems like a better option.

I have seen Farhan play and practice live and trust you me, even the likes of Sami Aslam are better suited to playing ODIs than him. In the supposed amazing Pakistan cup Farhan had, Aslam had more runs, at a better strike rate, with more sixes and a better average yet no one even mentioned him because obviously, we like tullay-baaz hacks.
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Good post.

Imam so far has been ridiculously good at the international level. Will gradually improve his strike rate.
 
He is not much different than Azhar, takes lot of time to get settled, good teams will get him out in that period and so he will end up with consuming lot of deliveries with not many runs only hurting Pakistan, Fakhr needs Sharjeel as his partner, Imam can come in middle order if he really has to play
 
Hawkeye said:
Good post.

Imam so far has been ridiculously good at the international level. Will gradually improve his strike rate.
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Exactly, and the fact is, I haven't seen any major technical flaws or any problems to do with his temper. He has performed exquisitely in spire of allegations of nepotism and what not which only goes on to show that the lad can play under pressure and will not succumb. An example of this would be his knock vs Afghanistan where a more experienced Fakhar got out in the very first over.

What I am most happy about however is the fact that he doesn't have a problem in finding singles and doubles, and this is something I have noticed he is consistent in in ALL of his knocks so far. The likes of Shehzad or even Sharjeel would simply look for boundaries and the rest of their shots were straight to the fielders. Haq looks for ones and twos which is the trademark of a quality LOI opener.
 
I don't really follow both much but from what ever i have seen of imam in interview he looks like have a way better cricketing sense than Fakhar. He should get more chance and i am sure he will keep on improving.
 
After failure against India, he was supposed to be undeserving of a place in the side. After a win against Afghanistan, he is a great prospect. I wonder what the jury would say about him after the next match.:akhtar
 
One good point about imam is he is hardworker he dont let it go after making 20s and 30s he tend to go big i mean his conversion rate is amazing ..also every player is given a role it seems he is given role to hold up one end which he os doing
 
This is a knee-jerk reaction. Some would say Imam's shot in match vs India could not have come from one having a good cricketing brain either.
 
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