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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — In 1992, when Pakistan won its only Cricket World Cup, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was asked by a television host if the team captain, Imran Khan, a national heartthrob, would be right for his party if Mr. Khan went into politics.

“I offered him a long time ago, but he declined. I don’t know why,” Mr. Sharif said, patting Mr. Khan’s shoulder as everyone who had gathered around burst into laughter.

Mr. Khan, a charismatic athlete well known then for his playboy image and affairs with British socialites, did go into politics a few years later through his own party, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, or P.T.I.

On Friday, the country’s Supreme Court ruled that corruption accusations against Mr. Sharif, 67, a veteran politician who thrice served as prime minister and has defined Pakistan’s politics for decades, were sufficient to remove him from office.

For Mr. Khan, 64, the moment was sweet. He had been the main petitioner before the court and fomented widespread street protests against Mr. Sharif, emerging as the strongest challenger to the former prime minister and his political legacy.

But Mr. Khan’s path to victory in the next general election, set for mid-2018, is far from assured, according to analysts, including Moeed Yusuf, associate vice president of the Asia Center at the United States Institute of Peace, whose research and work centers on Pakistan.

“In some ways, this is a clear victory; there is no question about that,” Mr. Yusuf, who is currently visiting Pakistan, said in an interview. “Sans Panama Papers scandal, PML-N, the ruling party, was sitting pretty for the next elections.”

The scandal he referred to comprised disclosures in last year’s leaked Panama Papers that Mr. Sharif and his children hid much of their enormous wealth in offshore bank accounts and related investments.

Still, Mr. Yusuf said, he did not believe Mr. Khan was “closer to a victory in the elections” than he had been before the ouster. “Whether he gets closer or not depends on his own behavior and whether Nawaz overplays his hand and what Accountability Court does.”

The Supreme Court has directed the Accountability Courts to decide corruption cases against Mr. Sharif and his family within in six months. But there is skepticism that the courts will reach a decisive verdict against the Sharif family and speculation that even if Mr. Sharif cannot run again, his Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz Party will continue to dominate Parliament.

On Sunday evening, Mr. Khan will address a large political rally in Islamabad, hoping to kick-start a new round of rollicking opposition to the governing party.

When Mr. Khan started the P.T.I. party in 1996, he was considered a political nobody and squirmed on the sidelines for decades. His party had just one seat in Parliament after the 2002 elections and boycotted the 2008 elections.

Not until 2011 did Mr. Khan find himself center stage as he captured the public’s imagination and began drawing hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis to his political rallies. Most people in the audiences were educated, urban youth, disgruntled with the system and energized by Mr. Khan’s populist, anticorruption and anti-American message. The party also picked up vast support among the Pakistani expatriate community, and Mr. Khan’s supporters are dominant on social media.

Despite his huge urban base, Mr. Khan has found it hard to prevail over Mr. Sharif’s Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz Party, especially in Punjab, the former prime minister’s power base, and two other provinces.

Mr. Sharif remains deeply entrenched through a vast network of political patronage. His party won the 2013 general elections with an overwhelming majority. Mr. Khan’s party currently holds just 33 of the 342 seats in National Assembly.

But since the last elections, Mr. Khan has been at the forefront of political opposition to Mr. Sharif, portraying him as the face of status quo and corrupt practices that have gnawed at the political system.

In many ways, Mr. Khan did not let Mr. Sharif settle into office. His popular agitation kept the prime minister perpetually unsettled and fighting to gain traction despite his party’s success at the polls. The situation was made more difficult by Mr. Sharif’s constant friction with the powerful military, elements of which favor Mr. Khan.

Soon after the elections, Mr. Khan accused Mr. Sharif of vote rigging. In 2014 he led thousands of protesters in a siege of Islamabad, the capital, for months.

Shortly after the Panama Papers revelations, Mr. Khan again tried to lay siege to Islamabad in November 2016. He forced the Supreme Court to take up the corruption case against Mr. Sharif, which culminated in the prime minister’s ouster on Friday.

Some analysts say Mr. Sharif’s party can survive if the transition to his successor is smooth and energy and infrastructure projects are completed well before the next elections.

“If Nawaz manages a smooth transition to the next prime minister, I think he still has a clear edge going into the next elections,” Mr. Yusuf said.

Other analysts say the country’s powerful generals might be reluctant to see Mr. Khan in power. Critics dismiss him as soft on militancy; some even ridicule him with the nickname “Taliban Khan.”

Mr. Khan has no experience with governing and has shown an aptitude more for street agitation than working with Parliament to bring about change. Many diplomats expressed shock at what they see as his disregard for the parliamentary process.

But enamored supporters say Mr. Khan is not corrupt like traditional politicians and point to his philanthropic work as a proof that he will do more good for the country.

Husain Haqqani, the director of Hudson Institute and a former Pakistani ambassador in Washington, described Mr. Khan as an “instrument” to force Mr. Sharif from power but not to succeed him.

“He is not the kind of man the establishment would like to be in charge,” said Mr. Haqqani, a longtime observer of Pakistani politics. “He is mercurial and unpredictable. It took the generals two decades to cut Nawaz Sharif to size after they created a political career for him. They will not make the same mistake again, of helping someone they cannot control.”

Mr. Haqqani said he expected the current Parliament to complete its term, which also ends in mid-2018.

“PML-N has a clear majority in the Parliament and Punjab,” he said. “There is no legal basis for an early election. PML-N will be allowed to limp to the end of its tenure.”

Mr. Khan too faces cases against him in the Supreme Court and the election commission, stemming from accusations of hiding assets and of foreign funding of his political party. There has been speculation that the courts could bar him from Parliament over these accusations, speculation that Mr. Khan laughs off.

“How can I be disqualified?” he said in an interview. “I was never a public office holder. The whole world knew I was playing cricket. I have given my whole money trail to the Supreme Court. It is just blackmail.”

Mr. Yusuf, of United States Institute of Peace, said he worried that “this could be Imran’s Trump moment.”

“What I mean is that you are a leader of a party or campaign and you have basically defied all odds to secure a major political victory,” he said, “and now you could be in a situation where you feel you do not have to take counsel from the people who are going to advise patience, advise taking the long course, rather than declaring victory and overplaying your hand.”
 
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Anti-American populist that's how they see him and that's why they don't like him?
 
Anti-Indian too, Pro Army and Pro Taliban as well.

I expect nurturing and assistance of " strategic assets " to increase by ten folds under IK with the blessings of Army..
 
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He thinks IK is army puppet

IK is allied with JI in KPK

If he is right then i guess he has a point.Though as i often say,its for the people of Pakistan to decide.if Majority want IK as PM, even if he is a Army Puppet or Pro Taliban or whatever than that is the will of the Pakistani people and has to be respected come what may.
 
Righttt. Just because he actually cares about the nation and its national interests and not of foreign powers he's an 'anti-american' populist. US takes a hike. You have your own internal problems right now anyway.
 
What an ill-informed self-contradictory pile of crap. Let's look at the rubbish written.

1. At no point does the article talk about Imran Khan's anti-American agenda. Because there is none. He is a nationalist who wants to put Pakistan's interests above American interests. How does that make him anti-American?

2. PML-N won 166 seats out 342. You don't need a calculator to figure out, that is not a majority let alone an overwhelming one.

3. Article initially states that the elements of the army prefers Imran Khan. Then goes to say the powerful Generals would be reluctant to see Imran Khan in power because he is soft on militancy. It goes on to quote Hussain Haqqani in saying that the military is not fond of Imran Khan. Go figure.

4. Talks about Imran Khan's protests but not the fact he went through the courts for the Panama Leaks. He also approached the electoral commission regarding the rigging. The street agitation is just a propaganda term.

5. Accuses him of hiding proof without a shred of proof. Doesn't mention all the supplementary documents Imran Khan has already produced. Not to mention, it's a BS accusation because they're investigating money coming into the country. How could he "hide" money he is bringing into the country that he used to buy property?

6. The article ends it by making a pointless comparison to Trump. The two are so far improved, it really makes you scratch your head.
 
Imran is not Anti American, he is just an honest man who calls a spade a spade. Americas foreign policy towards Pakistan has been a disgrace, all Pakistanis should be ashamed of it. Good on him for speaking the truth.
 
Anti-Indian too, Pro Army and Pro Taliban as well.

I expect nurturing and assistance of " strategic assets " to increase by ten folds under IK with the blessings of Army..

Anti-Indian because he used to humiliate your cricket team while your female celebrities would fawn over him. Indian women are attracted to Fawad Khan and Shoab Malik, just imagine how they must have felt about Imran Khan.

"Strategic assets" have had a free reign under Nawaz Sharif actually. The likes of ASWJ and LeJ and LeT have been given a free license to wreak havoc on the country. At least get your facts straight before you regurgitate whatever your sensationalizing media feeds you.

If he is right then i guess he has a point.Though as i often say,its for the people of Pakistan to decide.if Majority want IK as PM, even if he is a Army Puppet or Pro Taliban or whatever than that is the will of the Pakistani people and has to be respected come what may.

Pakistan don't have a popular vote for the Prime Minister's seat. People vote for their regional members of national assembly. In fact, in 2008 people had no idea who was going to be Prime Minister when PPP won. So how can your advice even be implemented? It's a flawed and stupid system unfortunately.
 
NYT just shared the news on their twitter account too
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan, an anti-American cricket star, hopes to rule Pakistan <a href="https://t.co/UFE5u6bZRx">https://t.co/UFE5u6bZRx</a></p>— The New York Times (@nytimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/891728382664339457">July 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Pakistan don't have a popular vote for the Prime Minister's seat. People vote for their regional members of national assembly. In fact, in 2008 people had no idea who was going to be Prime Minister when PPP won. So how can your advice even be implemented? It's a flawed and stupid system unfortunately.
Electable candidates are running the show in Pakistan that's why i think Presidential system with direct elections suits our country more thn the current form of democracy.
 
You can bet your dollar bill the Yanks and Indians will be conspiring to make sure he doesn't come into power now. Esp the American foriegn policy which interferes in other nations for its own interests will be a test for PTI and IK. America should stay the away from Pakistan, it has no business on who rules the country. Then they go cry when people hate them and rightly so.
 
You can bet your dollar bill the Yanks and Indians will be conspiring to make sure he doesn't come into power now. Esp the American foriegn policy which interferes in other nations for its own interests will be a test for PTI and IK. America should stay the away from Pakistan, it has no business on who rules the country. Then they go cry when people hate them and rightly so.

Saudis and Arabs already don't like him only Chinese look neutral in his case so far.
 
Saudis and Arabs already don't like him only Chinese look neutral in his case so far.

It is scary how much power foreign countries have over our country. The Saudis (and the GCC), The US (and indirectly Israel) and India as well. Anyone with a level head would vote IK in the election. He's already giving our enemies nightmares. Fake news has started.
 
Saudis and Arabs already don't like him only Chinese look neutral in his case so far.

His views are very similar to the likes of Jeremy Corbyn which means they are opposite to the elitist demagogue views of most politicians and leaders who are mere puppets for big industries. The Saudis and GCC rulers are the biggest and most complete puppet rulers in recent history. They were created and maintained only to fulfill the interests of the western nations.

India can't really do much, it's a weak nation in terms of influence in Pakistan but America and the west are willing to do anything for their interests. I suppose before this verdict by the Supreme court they thought NS would stay in power and be replaced by some other puppet but now they must be worried as IK is a pure leader with no fear and more importantly no hunger for power or has greed in his veins.

But if God wills it , they cannot do nothing.
 
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Gee NYT really getting desperate. Now I know hoe trump must feel, this is bunch of crap with a click bait headline.
 
He is pro Pakistan not Anti American. The American's fail to understand that other people can love their country as much at the do their own. These fools like McCain believe that all non American's should support America as if it is their own country.
 
Such a sneaky article! They had to mention that people call him ''Taliban Khan'' to let readers think that he is a fundamentalist and he is anti-America just like Taliban are anti-America!!! When in reality he is exact opposite of Taliban.... In fact nobody helps Taliban more than Nawaz Sharif's fathers like Saudiarab and Qatar....

And now for the testimony they got Qatar Prince to give they will have to accept even more Wahabbi schools I bet... Real Taliban Khan = Sharifs, America, Saudiarab and Qatar....
 
Finally we have an honest leader in IK, likely to be in power next year. If being honest, fighting against corruption is Anti-American and Anti-Indian, so be it. And, I'm a patriotic American.
 
Well Pakistan could care less if the failing New York Times thinks he is anti American

He is pro Pakistan and that is all that matters

Also terrible journalism. No wonder this trash paper is in the pits
 
This is the sole reason why I, everyday, thank my father who choose to leave that snake of a country and come back to serve and work in Pakistan.

Americans are the most self absorbed people known to humanity who would literally screw anyone over for their own self interests. For once I am extremely happy that Donald Trump is their president, serves these idiots right!!
 
Anti-Indian too, Pro Army and Pro Taliban as well.

I expect nurturing and assistance of " strategic assets " to increase by ten folds under IK with the blessings of Army..

I don't really understand why IK is called anti-India. Does that mean NS is pro-India? You can argue about the degree of their opposition to India and how openly they express their opposition, but no Pakistani leader (political, military or otherwise) can afford to be pro-India. It's never gonna happen.
 
So what is America gonna do, militarily attack Pakistan?? I don't think so!
 
I don't really understand why IK is called anti-India. Does that mean NS is pro-India? You can argue about the degree of their opposition to India and how openly they express their opposition, but no Pakistani leader (political, military or otherwise) can afford to be pro-India. It's never gonna happen.

NS is indeed pro India inviting his friends like Modi and Jindal to Pak whenever he wants. India openly says that they have invested heavily in him, Nawaz has never said one word against Kulbushan Yadav or Indian terrorism in Pak or IoK because he is a sell out. IK is pro Pakistan, his criticism of India is well justified. His views on India are generally what most Pakistanis think although his solution to the Kashmir crises is not a practical one.
 
Anti-Indian too, Pro Army and Pro Taliban as well.

I expect nurturing and assistance of " strategic assets " to increase by ten folds under IK with the blessings of Army..

lol just goes to show people have absolutely no idea but still make sweeping statements.

If anything Imrna Khan has been called pro India and throughout his 2013 campaign, show me ONE anti India statement from Imran and we will discuss. On India, he always talks about how peace can benefit both nations and Kahsmir issue shouldn't discourage both nations to increase business and people to poeple contact.

If you think speaking against MODI is being anti Indian then i think antire Pakistan is anti India and even on Modi he said he had so much expectations from him as he is honest (for which he was criticised) but he chose to please the fundamentalists rather than peaceful relations.
 
As for Americans, anyone who speaks against their pathetic games that destroy countries and generations is considered anti American.

Ironically plenty of Pakistanis reject Imran Khan because he is supposed to be Jewish agent and against Pakistan's development and i know people actually believe this and don't just say that.
 
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Is a nationalist Pakistani consider an anti-American by default?
 
IK is not anti american he is Pakistani nationalist that feels outsiders should not interfere in Pakistan. The corruption in the third world exists because the west allows the corrupt to park their money in the west they stop allowing corrupt money in would solve a lot of problems in the third world instead they let the corrupt steal from their countries and then give loans to these same countries to control them.
 
Anti-Indian too, Pro Army and Pro Taliban as well.

I expect nurturing and assistance of " strategic assets " to increase by ten folds under IK with the blessings of Army..

He's not anti-Indian at all, don't know where you got that from. As for pro Army, not sure he's got much choice there. He'd probably be flogged by a Taliban regime for his exploits so even that allegation needs some serious thought. I don't recall his wife Reham or Jemima donned in burkas.
 
Gotta say, everything you see on the news points to Imran Khan becoming the next Pakistani PM. I don't think there are any other candidates for the job now that Nawaz Sharif is ineligible.
 
We are lucky to have IK. India for example does not have one politician like IK who has the power to put that much pressure on their corrupt politicians threatening to close the country. I thought Anna Hazare before fizzling out could be the one.
 
American propaganda's are the strongest and this man can never become the PM being anti-american...

if you hate a rule, follow it, once you get over the top, change it!
 
Meh, I say why NOT!! Lets see how Imran runs the country, every other leadership in Pakistan has been Shambolics, Imran would not be any worse.
 
Gotta say, everything you see on the news points to Imran Khan becoming the next Pakistani PM. I don't think there are any other candidates for the job now that Nawaz Sharif is ineligible.

Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large numbers.


For example:

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This is the sole reason why I, everyday, thank my father who choose to leave that snake of a country and come back to serve and work in Pakistan.

Americans are the most self absorbed people known to humanity who would literally screw anyone over for their own self interests. For once I am extremely happy that Donald Trump is their president, serves these idiots right!!
LOL :))

Better than wherever you are.

Malaysia? :maqsood

America is the land of freedom. Land of opportunity. Most powerful country in the world. With people that are passionate and brave.

You are just generalizing. Most Americans are good people (60%+).

I agree there are some idiots in our country, but you'll see idiots no matter where you go on Earth. Especially in South-East Asia. :afridi
 
LOL :))

Better than wherever you are.

Malaysia? :maqsood

Clearly you've never been outside that......whatever that is......have you ?? :)) Kiddo I've traveled to few places over the years and trust me your Mera America Mahan ranks way way low than most developed countries. Try coming to Malaysia / Singapore / Korea / Japan / Taiwan first - You'd probably go into depression lol seeing how the world is literally light years ahead of you guys.

And BTW 90% of my family lives in America and they're in the top 10% income group so it's not that I am shooting from the hip here, My mamo and a few Khalas all live in Connecticut and run their own businesses and even though I've visited the place a few times (heck I am an ex green card holder bro) I can safely say that US is way below the pecking order, well at least for me.

America is the land of freedom. Land of opportunity.

Land of freedom, Yes !! I agree, Land of opportunity (Err.....Not really) This America dream is fast diminishing due to low economic progress and seeing how things are at the moment, I am not too sure it'll sustain realistically for another 20 odd years.

Most powerful country in the world. With people that are passionate and brave.

I am not too sure what you're referring to and I am not really sure what history they teach at high schools in US but I'd recommend reading books that glaringly highlight the failures of your powerful country against Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and recently against teenage Russian hackers :)) :))

Passionate and Brave LOL give me a break....Your army is probably is only ones in the history of mankind that probably needs man diapers to optimally function on the battlefield. Phele pamper phena toh Band karo phir baat karna bravery ki....

You are just generalizing. Most Americans are good people (60%+).

I agree there are some idiots in our country, but you'll see idiots no matter where you go on Earth. Especially in South-East Asia. :afridi

60+ Americans are good people......This statement alone should literally send alarm bells off when you'd have written it here. So basically 30+ % out of how many millions of Americans are not good people ???? No wonder you guys elected that orange fur ball as your President :yk

P.S. If South East Asia had majority of Idiot running around, it wouldn't have had a thriving economy and a budding job market as compared to the state of depression the US is at the moment - Good Luck with Everything !!
 
However surely it's now or never for IK - if he can't win the most number of seats at the next general election and at least head a coalition government then perhaps he never will hold the top office.
 
NYTimes about Nawaz Sharif. See the headline and get the idea how lobbying works!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan's Nawaz Sharif may be an ousted leader, but he left Islamabad like a conquering hero <a href="https://t.co/RKTqxsYXSQ">https://t.co/RKTqxsYXSQ</a></p>— New York Times World (@nytimesworld) <a href="https://twitter.com/nytimesworld/status/895363869278949376">August 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
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NYTimes about Nawaz Sharif. See the headline and get the idea how lobbying works!
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Seen this Salman Masood on twitter, he hates Imran Khan/PTI like they owe him money. NY Times has some of the worst Pakistani journalists, like that lady who asked Nawaz Sharif how he was yesterday lol
 
Seen this Salman Masood on twitter, he hates Imran Khan/PTI like they owe him money. NY Times has some of the worst Pakistani journalists, like that lady who asked Nawaz Sharif how he was yesterday lol

True but as they say Money Talks you just need to invest it carefully...
 
PMLN really need to fire their graphic designing team :)))

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NYTimes about Nawaz Sharif. See the headline and get the idea how lobbying works!
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I was a bit shocked till i saw the name "Salman Masood", all makes sense now. He is part of that "Rent a liberal" group who just hate fauj and they think anyone appreciating fauj is anti democracy and anyone raising question against Nawaz Sharif (or even Zardari for that matter) is anti democratic. This is why this group hates Imran Khan to pieces. This group even supported Altaf Hussain (simply because he spoke against establishment), Altaf has made it impossible for even his hardcore supporters to support him but this shameless group still supports him compared to someone like Imran Khan.
 
Most America media is abysmal, Trump is spot on about this.
 
Only if the news was something about India in NY times ,the reaction would had had been different.

Imran has always been closed to UK compared to USA ,don't think anyone has doubts on that.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So the US again blames Pak for its deeply flawed & failed Afghan policy stretching over a decade <a href="https://t.co/sGikXZb0ay">https://t.co/sGikXZb0ay</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/899895137332887552">August 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This shd teach Pak once and for all a valuable lesson: never to fight others wars for the lure of dollars. <a href="https://t.co/YUIih5kXEU">https://t.co/YUIih5kXEU</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/899895421195046912">August 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We fought 2 wars in Afghanistan at the US behest paying heavy human and economic costs both times. We sacrificed 70000 Pak lives in US WOT <a href="https://t.co/la4x0M9nTW">https://t.co/la4x0M9nTW</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/899896248097923073">August 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our economy suffered over $100 billion in losses. In addition, there were intangible costs on our society. Time for Pak to say: Never again <a href="https://t.co/kngXujqRnO">https://t.co/kngXujqRnO</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/899898376258375681">August 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We must also reject being made scapegoats for the policy failures of the US and India. <a href="https://t.co/iDSohH1fOS">https://t.co/iDSohH1fOS</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/899898847509467136">August 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Seems to have quiet on the anti drone front ever since his visit to America

His links to the Zionist lobby through marriage are as laughable as any links to Hamas
 
Seems to have quiet on the anti drone front ever since his visit to America

His links to the Zionist lobby through marriage are as laughable as any links to Hamas

Drones have gone down almost 90% so obviously that isn't major issue now as it was few years ago.
 
The foolish Part of Imran Khan:

Imran Khan may be the best choice for Pakistan at moment, but no man in perfect. Therefore, don't ignore the Foolish part of Imran Khan.

Imran Khan was fool enough to support the Nizam-e-Muhammadi of Sufi Muhammad in Swat. Imran Khan was telling the Army to take it's soldiers out of Swat and hand over whole Swat to Sufi Muhammad as there will be streams of milk and honey after introducing this system in Swat.

As a result of foolish politicians like Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif, army had to withdraw from Swat.

What happened afterwards?

With in 2 days Taliban returned back and captured whole Swat. And then Taliban were slaughtering people in the main Bazar of Swat for next couple of months.

Then Taliban started to expand their Fitna in the neighbouring areas and hundreds and thousands of people died in it.


There were only the voices by Pakistani Liberals to do the operation against Taliban in Swat, but still the stupid Imran Khan and stupid Nawaz Sharif and stupid Zardari didn't raise a SINGLE voice for the Army Operation in Swat.

Instead of campaigning for the Army Operation against the fasaadi Mullahs, Imran Khan blamed the Liberals to be "Blood Thirsty" while they wanted an Army operation.

Nevertheless, Taliban started moving towards Islamabad. At that time Pak Army was compelled to start the operation.

Result was killing of thousands of Pakistani Army Jawans and innocent Tribal people, and displacement of 1.2 Million people from their homes, and loss of Billions of Dollars on this operation which could have been avoided if Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif were not so stupid for handing over the Swat to the Mullahs due to their Mullah appeasing politics.


Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif are completely responsible for the innocent blood in Swat incident.


But this Mullah appeasement policy didn't end there.

Imran Khan gave 30 million Pak Rs to the Haqqani Madrassa against any Pakistan law which asks for equal treatment of all Madrissas. As result, KPK government had to stop many other projects for which got no more money. For example they had to close 41 primary schools while 39 of them were the girl schools.

Today Imarn Khan boast about the progress in Swat. But all the praise for this progress goes to Pak Army and not to Imran Khan who destroyed whole Malakand district due to his stupidity.

Imran Khan once again showed that same stupidity in case of Maulana Khadim Hussian dharna in Islamabad.

Once again Liberals wanted the writ of the State, but Imran Khan blamed the Liberals as "Blood Thirsty" and opposed any Military operation.
 
Shhh! Dont say anything to Messiah IK here. The PTI brigade will crush you.

P.S. I am not a Noora. I hate all parties equally.
 
Shhh! Dont say anything to Messiah IK here. The PTI brigade will crush you.

P.S. I am not a Noora. I hate all parties equally.

And that helps Pakistan so much doesn't it.

This "I hate all" brigade is actually worst than ALL others. They probably don't care about average person

Put it this way, if PTI disappears today i will support PMLN amongst current options and if both (PTI & PMLN) aren't options i will support PPP. I probably wouldn't be as active as i am for PTI but i would still vote for them in a hope BEST option can make a difference.
I was a supporter of Musharaff at one stage because i thought he was genuinely trying to make a positive difference and i even had hope from Zardari (believe me or not) when he took over as i thought he would want to prove his critics wrong but hey GREED never ends it seems.

Point is if you do genuinely are concerned about your country or it's people then you MUST support the best available option no matter how much differences you have on certain points. You are not choosing your ideal personality here remember.
 
As the article and thread is ab it old, I thought I'd ask a general question about Imran Khan. Objectively, how is he perceived in Pakistan, and by that I don't mean the media but social perception? What does the man on the street think about him?

I remember being there in 2014 (the year of the Islamabad lock in) and speaking to people in Karachi, including Pathan rickshaw drivers and they were fed up of his meddling and grandstanding, basically all talk, no action is what they thought.

Have things changed?
 
The foolish Part of Imran Khan:

Imran Khan may be the best choice for Pakistan at moment, but no man in perfect. Therefore, don't ignore the Foolish part of Imran Khan.

Imran Khan was fool enough to support the Nizam-e-Muhammadi of Sufi Muhammad in Swat. Imran Khan was telling the Army to take it's soldiers out of Swat and hand over whole Swat to Sufi Muhammad as there will be streams of milk and honey after introducing this system in Swat.

As a result of foolish politicians like Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif, army had to withdraw from Swat.

What happened afterwards?

With in 2 days Taliban returned back and captured whole Swat. And then Taliban were slaughtering people in the main Bazar of Swat for next couple of months.

Then Taliban started to expand their Fitna in the neighbouring areas and hundreds and thousands of people died in it.


There were only the voices by Pakistani Liberals to do the operation against Taliban in Swat, but still the stupid Imran Khan and stupid Nawaz Sharif and stupid Zardari didn't raise a SINGLE voice for the Army Operation in Swat.

Instead of campaigning for the Army Operation against the fasaadi Mullahs, Imran Khan blamed the Liberals to be "Blood Thirsty" while they wanted an Army operation.

Nevertheless, Taliban started moving towards Islamabad. At that time Pak Army was compelled to start the operation.

Result was killing of thousands of Pakistani Army Jawans and innocent Tribal people, and displacement of 1.2 Million people from their homes, and loss of Billions of Dollars on this operation which could have been avoided if Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif were not so stupid for handing over the Swat to the Mullahs due to their Mullah appeasing politics.


Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif are completely responsible for the innocent blood in Swat incident.


But this Mullah appeasement policy didn't end there.

Imran Khan gave 30 million Pak Rs to the Haqqani Madrassa against any Pakistan law which asks for equal treatment of all Madrissas. As result, KPK government had to stop many other projects for which got no more money. For example they had to close 41 primary schools while 39 of them were the girl schools.

Today Imarn Khan boast about the progress in Swat. But all the praise for this progress goes to Pak Army and not to Imran Khan who destroyed whole Malakand district due to his stupidity.

Imran Khan once again showed that same stupidity in case of Maulana Khadim Hussian dharna in Islamabad.

Once again Liberals wanted the writ of the State, but Imran Khan blamed the Liberals as "Blood Thirsty" and opposed any Military operation.

If you use specific lense to judge Imran Khan or other politicians then obviously it's an easy choice. Liberals will go for liberal and religious conservatives will go for Islamic parties regardless of their on ground performance.

Why do you think Maulana Fazl ur Rehman, JI etc get all the seats in certain areas? Yes ONLY and ONLY because people they are religious (or at least pretend to be).

Why did a completely useless and cheap person like Khadim Rizvi get thousands of votes without any real campaign? Simple reason for using "Prophet's name". what about his policy on economy, health, education etc? NOTHING!

That's what the issue with liberals is, they would rather vote for corrupt, criminals or violent parties like MQM, ANP or PPP as long as they act liberals (again just pretend like mullahs).

Liberals like mullahs use their EXTREME mindset to completely oppose someone who isn't like them.

You can disagree with Imran on many issues, liberals oppose him and call him names and religious extremists call him all sort of names and question his faith.

On the other hand, he has shown what he can do in providing world class institutions and quality health and education facilities ensuring merit and quality. There has been all sort of surveys on health and education where his government is better than all other provinces and your liberal PPP is far behind even though they have ruled Sindh for many decades. Your liberal ANP was completely useless in every aspect and their only contribution was destroying Karachi in gang wars.

No offence but some of you guys are shortsighted and narrow minded, can't look beyond certain factors. Don't forget these religious voters have same approach "Bus jee mulk main Sharia law le aao sab theek ho jayega", ask them how and they have absolutely no clue which Shariat they want.
 
Shhh! Dont say anything to Messiah IK here. The PTI brigade will crush you.

P.S. I am not a Noora. I hate all parties equally.

Funny thing is that you thought you’ve said the smartest thing on this thread but it isn’t.
 
If you use specific lense to judge Imran Khan or other politicians then obviously it's an easy choice. Liberals will go for liberal and religious conservatives will go for Islamic parties regardless of their on ground performance.

Why do you think Maulana Fazl ur Rehman, JI etc get all the seats in certain areas? Yes ONLY and ONLY because people they are religious (or at least pretend to be).

Why did a completely useless and cheap person like Khadim Rizvi get thousands of votes without any real campaign? Simple reason for using "Prophet's name". what about his policy on economy, health, education etc? NOTHING!

That's what the issue with liberals is, they would rather vote for corrupt, criminals or violent parties like MQM, ANP or PPP as long as they act liberals (again just pretend like mullahs).

Liberals like mullahs use their EXTREME mindset to completely oppose someone who isn't like them.

You can disagree with Imran on many issues, liberals oppose him and call him names and religious extremists call him all sort of names and question his faith.

On the other hand, he has shown what he can do in providing world class institutions and quality health and education facilities ensuring merit and quality. There has been all sort of surveys on health and education where his government is better than all other provinces and your liberal PPP is far behind even though they have ruled Sindh for many decades. Your liberal ANP was completely useless in every aspect and their only contribution was destroying Karachi in gang wars.

No offence but some of you guys are shortsighted and narrow minded, can't look beyond certain factors. Don't forget these religious voters have same approach "Bus jee mulk main Sharia law le aao sab theek ho jayega", ask them how and they have absolutely no clue which Shariat they want.

Let me point out some BASIC Points where I beg to disagree with you:

(1) Being Liberal doesn't automatically means supporter of PPP or MQM or ANP.
These are all corrupt parties.
Like the burden of wrong doings of present day Muslims could be put upon Quran and Islam, similarly the wrong doings of corrupt so called liberal parties could not be put upon secularism and liberalism.

I want to be a secular and liberal like Abdus Sattar Edhi. He is my ideal, and not Zardari etc.


(2) The difference between you and me:
I openly criticize the liberal parties like PPP, ANP, MQM.
But you deem Imran Khan to be an Angel (or at least try to do it). You try to hide the mistakes of Imran Khan.

Neither you accepted Imran's grave mistake in case of Swat and appeasing Mullahs, nor Imran Khan himself yet admitted that he was totally wrong on Swat Issue and his mistake costed blood of thousands of innocent people.

You are still trying to hide this particular Imarn's mistake by tell us he is the best option.

Yes, Imran Khan may be the One Eyed king among all the blind Kings.

But still Imran Khan should be severely criticized for his wrong decisions and wrong policies, so that he does not repeat the same mistakes in future. Unfortunately, Insafians have made Imran Khan above any criticism.


(3) And mind it, Imran Khan is telling the Nation whole time that Taliban war was not ours.
But had America not attacked Afghanistan, and Mullah Umar would still have been Ameer-ul-Momineen in Afghanistan along with Al-Qaidia, then Pakistan would have seen many 11 September like attacks.

And Afghani Taliban would have fully supported the Tehrik Taliban Pakistan to conquer Islamabad.

It is only due to American presence that Taliban are at moment concentrated against US. The day US leaves and Taliban captures Kabul, then their next target will be Islamabad.

Remember when Taliban conquered Kabul in 1996, then they were raising the slogan: Kabul ta Islamabad, Taliban Taliban.


According to Taliban Pakistani System is a system of Kufr (this democracy). According to Taliban, Imran khan is a Kafir too.

Imran Khan is only benefiting from the sacrifices of others. But he is still misleading the nation by telling them that war against Taliban and the extremism is not ours.
 
Let me point out some BASIC Points where I beg to disagree with you:

(1) Being Liberal doesn't automatically means supporter of PPP or MQM or ANP.
These are all corrupt parties.
Like the burden of wrong doings of present day Muslims could be put upon Quran and Islam, similarly the wrong doings of corrupt so called liberal parties could not be put upon secularism and liberalism.

I want to be a secular and liberal like Abdus Sattar Edhi. He is my ideal, and not Zardari etc.


(2) The difference between you and me:
I openly criticize the liberal parties like PPP, ANP, MQM.
But you deem Imran Khan to be an Angel (or at least try to do it). You try to hide the mistakes of Imran Khan.

Neither you accepted Imran's grave mistake in case of Swat and appeasing Mullahs, nor Imran Khan himself yet admitted that he was totally wrong on Swat Issue and his mistake costed blood of thousands of innocent people.

You are still trying to hide this particular Imarn's mistake by tell us he is the best option.

Yes, Imran Khan may be the One Eyed king among all the blind Kings.

But still Imran Khan should be severely criticized for his wrong decisions and wrong policies, so that he does not repeat the same mistakes in future. Unfortunately, Insafians have made Imran Khan above any criticism.


(3) And mind it, Imran Khan is telling the Nation whole time that Taliban war was not ours.
But had America not attacked Afghanistan, and Mullah Umar would still have been Ameer-ul-Momineen in Afghanistan along with Al-Qaidia, then Pakistan would have seen many 11 September like attacks.

And Afghani Taliban would have fully supported the Tehrik Taliban Pakistan to conquer Islamabad.

It is only due to American presence that Taliban are at moment concentrated against US. The day US leaves and Taliban captures Kabul, then their next target will be Islamabad.

Remember when Taliban conquered Kabul in 1996, then they were raising the slogan: Kabul ta Islamabad, Taliban Taliban.


According to Taliban Pakistani System is a system of Kufr (this democracy). According to Taliban, Imran khan is a Kafir too.

Imran Khan is only benefiting from the sacrifices of others. But he is still misleading the nation by telling them that war against Taliban and the extremism is not ours.

You are wrong bro, it makes a HUGE difference if he is one eyed king amongst blind kinds and that was the whole point of my couple of posts above.

It's not PTI supporters who consider Imran Khan to be above criticism but issue is with mentality that we either get a MESSIAH or stick to current rulers. Would you ever get a MESSIAH who would be liberal enough for liberals, religious enough for religious people, honest enough, educated enough and brilliant leader at the same time?

Logically, shouldn't we at least support someone who is honest, educated and achiever? He isn't seen as religious or liberal by majority of people so he is somewhere in the middle which should at least be little bit acceptable since he ticks most other boxes?
 
You are wrong bro, it makes a HUGE difference if he is one eyed king amongst blind kinds and that was the whole point of my couple of posts above.

It's not PTI supporters who consider Imran Khan to be above criticism but issue is with mentality that we either get a MESSIAH or stick to current rulers. Would you ever get a MESSIAH who would be liberal enough for liberals, religious enough for religious people, honest enough, educated enough and brilliant leader at the same time?

Logically, shouldn't we at least support someone who is honest, educated and achiever? He isn't seen as religious or liberal by majority of people so he is somewhere in the middle which should at least be little bit acceptable since he ticks most other boxes?

Brother, I have no problem if some one votes for this one eyed king.

But I have a problem when PTI people said that they criticize Imran khan, but then I see Zero criticism and Zero reform.

On the issue of Swat, where did PTI members criticized Imran Khan? Where did Imran Khan accept his mistake?

Where did Imran Khan told the nation about the real danger of Taliban, and made them aware if they we don't fight against Taliban then we are the next target?

In fact Imran khan always opposed the war against Taliban and as result the war was delayed for many years and 50000 Pakistanis killed during that time period.

Finally Army was compelled to launch the war despite opposition from Imran Khan. Since then there is peace and prosperity.

Therefore, the reality is there was Zero criticism upon Imran Khan by the PTI, and there was Zero reform in Imran's behaviour.
 
Brother, I have no problem if some one votes for this one eyed king.

But I have a problem when PTI people said that they criticize Imran khan, but then I see Zero criticism and Zero reform.

On the issue of Swat, where did PTI members criticized Imran Khan? Where did Imran Khan accept his mistake?

Where did Imran Khan told the nation about the real danger of Taliban, and made them aware if they we don't fight against Taliban then we are the next target?

In fact Imran khan always opposed the war against Taliban and as result the war was delayed for many years and 50000 Pakistanis killed during that time period.

Finally Army was compelled to launch the war despite opposition from Imran Khan. Since then there is peace and prosperity.

Therefore, the reality is there was Zero criticism upon Imran Khan by the PTI, and there was Zero reform in Imran's behaviour.

You are still stuck with one issue, when you elect a leader you need to look at all aspects.
I think my posts on PP were quite clear that I didn't agree with Imran Khan's stance on dialogues with Talibans, i didn't agree with his stance (and that of heavy majority of Pakistanis) when Musharaff attacked Lal masjid.

Let me tell you one thing, i also never agreed with Imran saying it's not our war but he proved not only myself but MANY people wrong over the years and i have seen many analysts admitting it was our mistake to join the war in Afghanistan. Now, this proves that opposing a war doesn't make you Taliban supporter, he was more concerned about after effects and not many can argue today that he was right.

Imran was against military strikes as well but i think he was proven wrong as we finally had to start Zarb e Azab to reduce terrorism.

Opposing military action doesn't make one supporter of Talibans and extremism doesn't end by killing and attacking people either.
 
And that helps Pakistan so much doesn't it.

This "I hate all" brigade is actually worst than ALL others. They probably don't care about average person

Put it this way, if PTI disappears today i will support PMLN amongst current options and if both (PTI & PMLN) aren't options i will support PPP. I probably wouldn't be as active as i am for PTI but i would still vote for them in a hope BEST option can make a difference.
I was a supporter of Musharaff at one stage because i thought he was genuinely trying to make a positive difference and i even had hope from Zardari (believe me or not) when he took over as i thought he would want to prove his critics wrong but hey GREED never ends it seems.

Point is if you do genuinely are concerned about your country or it's people then you MUST support the best available option no matter how much differences you have on certain points. You are not choosing your ideal personality here remember.

I had same hope from Musharraf, PTI, and others. They all failed. There's no good in wasting time over such political parties. and yes I am a common person, my family earns <1000$ per month.
 
I had same hope from Musharraf, PTI, and others. They all failed. There's no good in wasting time over such political parties. and yes I am a common person, my family earns <1000$ per month.

Then who will you vote for in the upcoming elections (if you don't mind me asking)


because refraining from voting is even worse than voting for PML-N/PPP
 
Then who will you vote for in the upcoming elections (if you don't mind me asking)


because refraining from voting is even worse than voting for PML-N/PPP

Exactly! Not voting any party means you are fine with how things are being run right now and you want this to continue and let your next generations suffer the same way.
 
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