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"Imran Khan is the best captain that the world of cricket has ever seen" : Wasim Akram

I'd imagine Brearley was better.

Someone who was simply making the team for his leadership skills and cricketing IQ deserves top spot.
 
I think this not something a player can gauge. Unless you have played under all world captains, you cannot make such statements. He is one of the best, but to call him best captain the world has seen is a over the top statement.
 
Imran was and might still be a megastar, face is known in and out of cricketing circles - a top class bowler, very good batsman, and legendary leader.

Misbah, a very good batsman and IMO a very good captain - things were not looking rosy in 2010, he did very well, created solidity, all while two leading bowlers were banned.

For sure, Imran leaves many in awe, he's magnetic - but Misbah has an abundance of quiet respect, certainly from me.
 
If everything was measured by pure statistics alone than Sangakarra is a better batsman than Tendulkar.

OP mentioned Imran’s Team as the Test Standard because it lost ONE series over seven years. (Only losing four Tests during that period). Your man Kohli with a W/L of 3.0 (beasting on a weakened SL side; yes they beat PAK at home) has already lost four Tests this year. By the way, the one series they did lose, to Australia in 1989-1990 would have been tied had bad weather not taken almost all of Day 1 away at Adelaide.

That is seven years and three consecutive Test series ties with the best team to ever play Test cricket, the Windies of the 80’s. The scorecard reads: 3-3-3.

To put into perspective, Ganguly had taken part in three consecutive Australian series and the scorecard read: 4-4-3.

They both won a series in the others’ nation-state but the difference lies in Imran captaining his side to a series win in England, something Ganguly was never able to do.

Yaar u changing the goal post everytime. Now all of a sudden winning series against england is the criteria. Then let me tell you, one asian team captain whose name was Ajit wadejar won a test series again WI in WI followed by a test series victory again england in England within a span of 3 months. Now beat that.

And u talking about drawing 3 series against WI, the best team of that era. Ganguly won against Australia once and drew another time, for most people 1-0 that ll be superior to 0-0
 
I'd imagine Brearley was better.

Someone who was simply making the team for his leadership skills and cricketing IQ deserves top spot.

Bearly was certainly much better but don't think anyone bests Clive Lloyd. Of the 50 matched he captained abroad, he won 23 of those. And this is after he lost like 5-1 to Australia in the very first abroad series. Before people start jumping around that he had the famous 4 fast bowlers, they should remember that 3 of those 4 fast bowlers made their debut under his captaincy. He identified them, played them and made them great. No captain has so much influence on the game in terms of strategy, unity, and attitude towards test cricket as he had. His record is almost unbelievable.
 
Imran’s strengths were as follows.

He was good at spotting players who had the right attitude for international cricket. He would pick someone with less ability but with aggression over someone more skilled but less up for a scrap.

He was good at keeping his young sides calm in the field, so that they stayed focused.

He was blessed by having at least one excellent fast bowler - himself, then later Wasim, then Waqar.

Tactically and psychologically I did not think he was good, not compared to Brearley who became a psychotherapist. But he was a much better player than Brearley.
 
Imran certainly has a strong claim. It is not possible to name one captain as the undisputed best of all time, simply because every captain has different strengths and weaknesses and operate in different circumstances. However, he belongs in the elite league of captains. It is understandable that Wasim is biased towards him because he had a big influence on his early career.

Wasim's insight on his captaincy is mostly refreshing, unlike Shoaib who can't stop reminding everyone how he would have cured cancer and taken 5,000 wickets at an average of 5 under Imran.

In all seriousness i can take Shoaibs point about wanting to play under Imran, the captains after him drove fast bowlers to the ground using them as donkeys on flat dead pitches in test matches of roads of Sialkot, Gujranwala etc.

Shoaibs comment on Mohammad Zahid give it away, how shoaib reckons Zahid was considerably faster then him and the quickest pacer Pak has ever produced. Zahib made his debut under Saeed Anwar as captain and was used like a donkey till they broke his back in half.

A captain like Imran definitely would use faster bowlers better then the joker captains we had in the 90's and 2000's.
 
Yaar u changing the goal post everytime. Now all of a sudden winning series against england is the criteria. Then let me tell you, one asian team captain whose name was Ajit wadejar won a test series again WI in WI followed by a test series victory again england in England within a span of 3 months. Now beat that.

And u talking about drawing 3 series against WI, the best team of that era. Ganguly won against Australia once and drew another time, for most people 1-0 that ll be superior to 0-0

I mentioned England because you proclaim that since Ganguly won more overseas Tests he can be considered a better captain.

Imran, sat out against NZ when Hadlee was not playing because it was a one-man-team and also against SL because they were new and inexperienced. Miandad subsequently captained the team and led it to whitewash victories.

Ajit Wadejar?

This is the first time I am hearing this name being mentioned on this forum yet alone a cricketing conversation. Shows you how much of a great captain he was really that while someone like Frank Worrell can be reminisced about generations later, Wadejar is lost in the history books, until recently following his passing away.

Ganguly won against Australia but also lost a series at home. Something Imran never managed to during those seven years of his captaincy. Not to mention, the only time Ganguly won in Australia was when Warne (banned for doping) and McGrath (wife being ill) were not playing.

We can continue all day but the fact of the matter is no matter how many numbers you pull up, at the end of the day, the entire cricketing world regards Imran as the more influential and better captain.
 
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Ganguly won against Australia but also lost a series at home. Something Imran never managed to during those seven years of his captaincy. Not to mention, the only time Ganguly won in Australia was when Warne (banned for doping) and McGrath (wife being ill) were not playing.

We can continue all day but the fact of the matter is no matter how many numbers you pull up, at the end of the day, the entire cricketing world regards Imran as the more influential and better captain.

And imran won the test match against Windies while Richards was playing? Richards didn't play in that match and so did 2 other regular bowlers.

You will hardly find any player's dream XI having Imran as captain, so this discussion of entire cricketing world believing in something is restricted to this forum and not outside. He was a great player but not a great captain. May be from Pakistan's perspective he was a great leader, but there have been several much better than him. If someone after winning 14 matches overall and 3 matches outside Asia can become a great captain, then it's a matter of time before Pandya scores a couple of centuries in India and some stupid fans start calling Pandya a great all rounder.

Nevertheless, lets just agree to disagree...I am sure many people on this forum have learnt abt captaincy stats only through this thread and they are smart enough to make their own judgements.
 
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And imran won the test match against Windies while Richards was playing? Richards didn't play in that match and so did 2 other regular bowlers.

You will hardly find any player's dream XI having Imran as captain, so this discussion of entire cricketing world believing in something is restricted to this forum and not outside. He was a great player but not a great captain. May be from Pakistan's perspective he was a great leader, but there have been several much better than him. If someone after winning 14 matches overall and 3 matches outside Asia can become a great captain, then it's a matter of time before Pandya scores a couple of centuries in India and some stupid fans start calling Pandya a great all rounder.

Nevertheless, lets just agree to disagree...I am sure many people on this forum have learnt abt captaincy stats only through this thread and they are smart enough to make their own judgements.

Faisalabad 1986?

Pandya and all-rounder? Wonder who’s detailing the thread now comparing a cricketer who led his team to their first ever series win in England and India while being defeated once in seven years and a World Cup winner to a hack who can’t even buy himself a run in the current series?

Imran is lauded worldwide not only for his captaincy (which Ian Chappell mentioned in his all-time list and even wrote a tribute just two weeks ago!) but also as a cricketer, humanitarian and now politician.

Come back when someone lives up to the hype.

Good day. :ik
 
Faisalabad 1986?

Pandya and all-rounder? Wonder who’s detailing the thread now comparing a cricketer who led his team to their first ever series win in England and India while being defeated once in seven years and a World Cup winner to a hack who can’t even buy himself a run in the current series?

Imran is lauded worldwide not only for his captaincy (which Ian Chappell mentioned in his all-time list and even wrote a tribute just two weeks ago!) but also as a cricketer, humanitarian and now politician.

Come back when someone lives up to the hype.

Good day. :ik

Boss you seriously lack sense of humor and overall comprehension problems...I never said Pandya is a great all roudner, i said if 3 victories outside make Imran a great captain, then by those benchmarks, people will call Pandya a great allroudner. Never mind, i don't think you will get it even this time.

And i have heard so much about Ian chapell praising Imran as if Ian is the only cricketer that matters..You say that Ian Chappell mentioned Imran in his all-time list, but i can't find imran in that list for some strange reasons?

Here's Ian list - http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/481212.html
 
Boss you seriously lack sense of humor and overall comprehension problems...I never said Pandya is a great all roudner, i said if 3 victories outside make Imran a great captain, then by those benchmarks, people will call Pandya a great allroudner. Never mind, i don't think you will get it even this time.

And i have heard so much about Ian chapell praising Imran as if Ian is the only cricketer that matters..You say that Ian Chappell mentioned Imran in his all-time list, but i can't find imran in that list for some strange reasons?

Here's Ian list - http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/481212.html

His all-time Test Captains XI which Imran is a part of, not his direct Test Playing XI.

If you want an Australian legend with IK in his XI than look no further than Richie Benaud.

You stated that through the same comparison standards of IK as a captain, people will call Pandya a great all-rounder.

If that was an attempt at humor, it was a bad one but if that is your saving grace, than here is the shovel to dig yourself out of the hole:

Imran Khan is a great captain.

Stating he has three or four overseas victories is like stating that because McGrath had one five-fer’in Asia, he is overrated.

It doesn’t even begin to tell the whole story.
 
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His captaincy legacy is now irrelevant because Kohli surpassed him as the GOAT Asian Test captain and left him so behind it is not even funny anymore.
 
Has any non Pakistani cricketer ever rated him as the greatest captain of all time? Sure, people like Ian Chappell have rated him a good captain, but any non Pakistan ex cricketer who has rated him the greatest captain of all time? Therein lies the answer.
 
Has any non Pakistani cricketer ever rated him as the greatest captain of all time? Sure, people like Ian Chappell have rated him a good captain, but any non Pakistan ex cricketer who has rated him the greatest captain of all time? Therein lies the answer.

Yes. Off the top of my head (by implication through their all-time 11, including ex-cricketers):

1. Dickie Bird
2. Cricinfo (All-Time World Cup XI Captain)
3. Manjrekar
4. Wisden ("perhaps the greatest skipper in cricket history")


Point is, he is definitely 'a' GOAT Captain. Once you enter into the GOAT discussion, then there are undisputed GOATS v. GOATS. I wouldn't say he is the undisputed GOAT Captain, but he is in the GOAT category, which says a lot.
 
There’s a difference between being a captain and a leader.

You’re given the title of captain when there’s no superior option to you, and you’re performing well enough and ideally have the personality traits to lead.

You’re not given the title of a leader. You earn that title.

Imran played the role of selector, father figure, fitness coach, and took full control and responsibility of Pakistan firing as one cohesive unit despite all the typical big personalities clashing in an already dysfunctional cricket system. Under him, Pak finally played as one team.

If you are looking for a statsguru answer, maybe you will conclude that someone else as captain led their team to a better w/l record and so you think that person is a better captain. So be it. If anything, with context Imran has a fantastic record in that regard too.

But for me, Imran was the first and possibly only captain we had that instilled the discipline in team Pakistan to consistently compete with the world’s best and actually behave as a professional sports team which rises to the occasion rather being an “unpredictable”, volatile and self destructive force of nature. Task he had on his hands was far greater than what Kohli had to do who was served a ready made talented team and possibly the best cricket structure support in which billions of dollars have gone in.

Just look at what happened after Imran left. Post 92’-2010, Scandal galore in match fixing, always falling short of what could have been memorable victories, 2009 t20 WC excluded.

If Kohli leaves captaincy, India would not fall flat on its face as a team.
 
Yes. Off the top of my head (by implication through their all-time 11, including ex-cricketers):

1. Dickie Bird
2. Cricinfo (All-Time World Cup XI Captain)
3. Manjrekar
4. Wisden ("perhaps the greatest skipper in cricket history")


Point is, he is definitely 'a' GOAT Captain. Once you enter into the GOAT discussion, then there are undisputed GOATS v. GOATS. I wouldn't say he is the undisputed GOAT Captain, but he is in the GOAT category, which says a lot.

My Goodness!

1.) He made it into Dickie Bird's All Time XI, but he didn't select any captain of his team.

2.) Cricinfo compiled it's All Time World XI, and he didn't even made it to the 1st team. He made it in their 2nd World XI :)))

3.) So now Sanjay Manjerkar, a flop player, is an authority on greatness?

4.) WISDEN didn't even include him in their All Time World XI, let alone select him as the captain of that team :)))

He was a good captain, but wasn't the greatest captain of all time. If he were, he would have been acknowledged as such by the rest of the cricketing world.
 
There’s a difference between being a captain and a leader.

You’re given the title of captain when there’s no superior option to you, and you’re performing well enough and ideally have the personality traits to lead.

You’re not given the title of a leader. You earn that title.

Imran played the role of selector, father figure, fitness coach, and took full control and responsibility of Pakistan firing as one cohesive unit despite all the typical big personalities clashing in an already dysfunctional cricket system. Under him, Pak finally played as one team.

If you are looking for a statsguru answer, maybe you will conclude that someone else as captain led their team to a better w/l record and so you think that person is a better captain. So be it. If anything, with context Imran has a fantastic record in that regard too.

But for me, Imran was the first and possibly only captain we had that instilled the discipline in team Pakistan to consistently compete with the world’s best and actually behave as a professional sports team which rises to the occasion rather being an “unpredictable”, volatile and self destructive force of nature. Task he had on his hands was far greater than what Kohli had to do who was served a ready made talented team and possibly the best cricket structure support in which billions of dollars have gone in.

Just look at what happened after Imran left. Post 92’-2010, Scandal galore in match fixing, always falling short of what could have been memorable victories, 2009 t20 WC excluded.

If Kohli leaves captaincy, India would not fall flat on its face as a team.

Kohli was not given a ready made team. India were languishing in the rankings by the time Dhoni retired from Tests in 2014, the players were unfit and pace bowling was non-existent.

Kohli took that team and developed into a ruthless winning machine and did something no Indian captain managed to do so before him: build a fast bowling unit that was the best and fittest at its peak.

The way he turned Ishant Sharma’s career around from a meme to one of the best in the world is all you need to know about his leadership skills.

Indian Test team would have had a completely different outlook if Kohli didn’t takeover in 2015.
 
There’s a difference between being a captain and a leader.

You’re given the title of captain when there’s no superior option to you, and you’re performing well enough and ideally have the personality traits to lead.

You’re not given the title of a leader. You earn that title.

Imran played the role of selector, father figure, fitness coach, and took full control and responsibility of Pakistan firing as one cohesive unit despite all the typical big personalities clashing in an already dysfunctional cricket system. Under him, Pak finally played as one team.

If you are looking for a statsguru answer, maybe you will conclude that someone else as captain led their team to a better w/l record and so you think that person is a better captain. So be it. If anything, with context Imran has a fantastic record in that regard too.

But for me, Imran was the first and possibly only captain we had that instilled the discipline in team Pakistan to consistently compete with the world’s best and actually behave as a professional sports team which rises to the occasion rather being an “unpredictable”, volatile and self destructive force of nature. Task he had on his hands was far greater than what Kohli had to do who was served a ready made talented team and possibly the best cricket structure support in which billions of dollars have gone in.

Just look at what happened after Imran left. Post 92’-2010, Scandal galore in match fixing, always falling short of what could have been memorable victories, 2009 t20 WC excluded.

If Kohli leaves captaincy, India would not fall flat on its face as a team.

Fantastic captain Imran was, the one who did so much for his team. No doubt about that, and I respect that. But he isn't the greatest captain ever, like Wasim suggests.
 
Kohli was not given a ready made team. India were languishing in the rankings by the time Dhoni retired from Tests in 2014, the players were unfit and pace bowling was non-existent.

Kohli took that team and developed into a ruthless winning machine and did something no Indian captain managed to do so before him: build a fast bowling unit that was the best and fittest at its peak.

The way he turned Ishant Sharma’s career around from a meme to one of the best in the world is all you need to know about his leadership skills.

Indian Test team would have had a completely different outlook if Kohli didn’t takeover in 2015.

If you believe Imran was given a ready made test cricket team you obviously don’t know your cricket history. Pakistan were in disarray, Majid, Mushtaq, Sadiq and Asif Iqbal who were either retired or in decline. There was no match winning spinner, no Wasim, no Waqar. He took a very average team to England in 1982 and would have won that series if it wasn’t for ridiculous umpiring.
 
If you believe Imran was given a ready made test cricket team you obviously don’t know your cricket history. Pakistan were in disarray, Majid, Mushtaq, Sadiq and Asif Iqbal who were either retired or in decline. There was no match winning spinner, no Wasim, no Waqar. He took a very average team to England in 1982 and would have won that series if it wasn’t for ridiculous umpiring.

No one said anything about Imran inheriting a ready made team. You made that up.

I was objecting to the notion that Kohli inherited a ready made team. He did not as I explained in my previous post.
 
Has any non Pakistani cricketer ever rated him as the greatest captain of all time? Sure, people like Ian Chappell have rated him a good captain, but any non Pakistan ex cricketer who has rated him the greatest captain of all time? Therein lies the answer.

Here we go - looking for some validation from the Aussies, English again. Isn’t it time this dated mentality went away. The world has moved on.
 
Wasim is entitled to say Imran is the greatest captain ever because he actually played under him.

If you disagree, no problem. Why are people getting so butt hurt wasim said that?

If some feel Dhoni or Kohli have exceeded him, that’s your perogative. Say what you want, believe what you want.
 
No one said anything about Imran inheriting a ready made team. You made that up.

I was objecting to the notion that Kohli inherited a ready made team. He did not as I explained in my previous post.

Why does this need to be an Imran vs Kohli thread.

Both Kohli and Imran easily make it to the ATG team not just for Asia but also for the World.
 
Imran stood out during that time because most desi (Ind-Pak) players were meek, lacked confidence, couldn’t speak English and looked, acted and dressed like the sterotype brown man. Imran Khan stuck out with his good looks, western education and his communication.

That was his appeal especially to the western Pakistani diaspora even to this day.

Let’s say if Indians are taunted for being cab drivers and convience store owners, our fall back is always look at all the Indian CEO’s so I am assuming for the British-Pakistani especially the fall back was look how Handsome, talented and articulate IK is.

That over the years has probably translated into a cult-worship.

Great player and captain no doubts but not the greatest player or captain by any stretch of imagination.

That’s my take as a neutral (no pun intended)
 
His captaincy legacy is now irrelevant because Kohli surpassed him as the GOAT Asian Test captain and left him so behind it is not even funny anymore.

I'm not seeing that. I think Kohli is tactically quite poor. He is blessed with good quick bowlers, though.
 
If you believe Imran was given a ready made test cricket team you obviously don’t know your cricket history. Pakistan were in disarray, Majid, Mushtaq, Sadiq and Asif Iqbal who were either retired or in decline. There was no match winning spinner, no Wasim, no Waqar. He took a very average team to England in 1982 and would have won that series if it wasn’t for ridiculous umpiring.

I agree with the first bit. He built up a mediocre side, sacking guys who he didn't think were up for a fight like Zaheer.

Remember that the 1892 England team was quite weak though - no Gooch, Knott, Underwood, JK Lever, Old or Hendrick, but tyros like Pringle.
 
I'm not seeing that. I think Kohli is tactically quite poor. He is blessed with good quick bowlers, though.

Imran from what I heard was tactically dependent on Javed Miandad too. Kohli plays in 2022 where there is a coach and analyst for every single thing.

Most tactically astute captain I have seen especially in LOIs is Dhoni who used to pull a trick out of nowhere out of syllabus. He was a poor test captain though even though he had his moments.
 
Here we go - looking for some validation from the Aussies, English again. Isn’t it time this dated mentality went away. The world has moved on.

Simple fact is that he would have been acknowledged as the greatest captain ever by the rest of the cricketing world, if the statement made by Wasim were true. He isn't. And that's what matters, not what Imran fan boys personally believe.
 
Objectivity goes for a toss when it comes to discussions regarding Imran Khan. No, he is nowhere near being the best captain, but I can totally understand why Pakistani fans may believe so. With near zero major sporting accomplishments for decades, Imran Khan's 1992 WC has rightfully earned him a mythical status.
 
Imran’s strengths were as follows.

He was good at spotting players who had the right attitude for international cricket. He would pick someone with less ability but with aggression over someone more skilled but less up for a scrap.

He was good at keeping his young sides calm in the field, so that they stayed focused.

He was blessed by having at least one excellent fast bowler - himself, then later Wasim, then Waqar.

Tactically and psychologically I did not think he was good, not compared to Brearley who became a psychotherapist. But he was a much better player than Brearley.

I'd add that Imran was able to get international class or career best performances from players who otherwise didnt excel the rest of their careers or went back to being mediocre.

Tactically- he pulled the right strings at the right times. Without being flashy.

He got the batting order right in 92 for example. It seems simple but sooo many captains botch it. He knew how to use his quicks- famously Akram.

And he brought young spinners through successfully who kept on developing- sign of a good captain.

I never saw Brierly. Never heard anyone doubt his captaincy skills though.
 
If you believe Imran was given a ready made test cricket team you obviously don’t know your cricket history. Pakistan were in disarray, Majid, Mushtaq, Sadiq and Asif Iqbal who were either retired or in decline. There was no match winning spinner, no Wasim, no Waqar. He took a very average team to England in 1982 and would have won that series if it wasn’t for ridiculous umpiring.

I should have read further up the page- you've already made half my points about improving average players and knowing how to bring a spinner through already.
 
Simple fact is that he would have been acknowledged as the greatest captain ever by the rest of the cricketing world, if the statement made by Wasim were true. He isn't. And that's what matters, not what Imran fan boys personally believe.

That’s fine - even I can’t say Imran was the greatest captain. When you are talking about greatest in anything you can’t make random statements when you have the likes of Clive Lloyd, Allan Border etc and there are probably another half dozen I haven’t even mentioned.

Imran was a great captain end of. As were the others. If you want me to add an Indian to make you happy, then ok. Dhoni and Ganguly were also great captains who finally broke the shackles of Indian stat padders and taught the team that results are important. Kohli is not far behind them either.

But why are you getting so triggered when one of the people who Imran captained said he was the greatest?

And more importantly why are you so obsessed with getting validation from all these “lists”. Get over it. Seriously. Life has moved on
 
That’s fine - even I can’t say Imran was the greatest captain. When you are talking about greatest in anything you can’t make random statements when you have the likes of Clive Lloyd, Allan Border etc and there are probably another half dozen I haven’t even mentioned.

Imran was a great captain end of. As were the others. If you want me to add an Indian to make you happy, then ok. Dhoni and Ganguly were also great captains who finally broke the shackles of Indian stat padders and taught the team that results are important. Kohli is not far behind them either.

But why are you getting so triggered when one of the people who Imran captained said he was the greatest?

And more importantly why are you so obsessed with getting validation from all these “lists”. Get over it. Seriously. Life has moved on

Dhoni is certainly a far better captain than Imran, since he achieved so much more. Dada is not behind Dhoni as the second best captain from the sub-continent.

We are lucky we had them in our team. You know what’s the biggest tragedy of world cricket in the last 30 years? The decline of the West Indies. While Dada made a team from the scratch, the West Indies declined. No wonder Ridley Jacobs blamed a certain team mate of his openly to be a selfish player. Michael Holding made a statement that the same player wasn’t good for West Indies cricket. He is the same player who held the record of scoring the most Test runs and most Test centuries in loses, until Shiv Chanderpaul surpassed that record.
 
Dhoni is certainly a far better captain than Imran, since he achieved so much more. Dada is not behind Dhoni as the second best captain from the sub-continent.

We are lucky we had them in our team. You know what’s the biggest tragedy of world cricket in the last 30 years? The decline of the West Indies. While Dada made a team from the scratch, the West Indies declined. No wonder Ridley Jacobs blamed a certain team mate of his openly to be a selfish player. Michael Holding made a statement that the same player wasn’t good for West Indies cricket. He is the same player who held the record of scoring the most Test runs and most Test centuries in loses, until Shiv Chanderpaul surpassed that record.

Oookaaay nice tangent about West Indies there. Not quite sure what the point of it was but I’m glad you got it off your chest.

And are fully entitled to believe Dhoni is better if it makes you happy. Do you feel better?
 
Oookaaay nice tangent about West Indies there. Not quite sure what the point of it was but I’m glad you got it off your chest.

And are fully entitled to believe Dhoni is better if it makes you happy. Do you feel better?

Not really! Why would your opinion make me feel better? You're a nobody with ZERO credibility, you agreeing or disagreeing makes no difference. You're one of those who believe that the one averaging 49 away from home is the greatest spinner ever. Does that matter to the rest of the world? :))
 
Imran from what I heard was tactically dependent on Javed Miandad too. Kohli plays in 2022 where there is a coach and analyst for every single thing.

Most tactically astute captain I have seen especially in LOIs is Dhoni who used to pull a trick out of nowhere out of syllabus. He was a poor test captain though even though he had his moments.

I agree about Imran and Javed. Imran was good at motivating his players. But he used a lot of energy bowling fast. Javed could see what was going on from slip.
 
I never saw Brierly. Never heard anyone doubt his captaincy skills though.

Brears was an exceptionally good motivator and tactician. It helped that he had Peak Botham and Peak Willis, of course. Though Botham was never the same without Brearley. Did Brearley make Botham?
 
Not really! Why would your opinion make me feel better? You're a nobody with ZERO credibility, you agreeing or disagreeing makes no difference. You're one of those who believe that the one averaging 49 away from home is the greatest spinner ever. Does that matter to the rest of the world? :))

It would also help if you read what I said before foaming at the mouth. I wasnt talking about my opinion.

I said if YOU believe Dhoni is better than I I hope it makes YOU feel better.

If YOU wanted to get the West Indies point (whatever it was, I still dont quite understand what its got to do with this thread) off your chest then good for YOU.

Take a deep breath and chill
 
As a leader and motivator yes Imran could be rated as best captain. But as a tactician and tricks he was from an old method of school as he was not aware about the modern methods of the game of that era.
 
As a leader and motivator yes Imran could be rated as best captain. But as a tactician and tricks he was from an old method of school as he was not aware about the modern methods of the game of that era.

What “modern” methods of the 80s and early 90s was Imran not aware of?
 
Dhoni is the greatest ODI captain ever, I will admit this. Also in t20s. A true leader everyone was united behind, and incredibly intelligent on field.

Overall in tests + ODIs, it’s Imran.
 
He was indeed, the best captain in the history of all sports.

Every other captain Pakistan had is extremely dull in comparison to him. The swag he had is simply unmatched.
 
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Dhoni is the greatest ODI captain ever, I will admit this. Also in t20s. A true leader everyone was united behind, and incredibly intelligent on field.

Overall in tests + ODIs, it’s Imran.
yeah dude you can believe what you want, but nothing comes within striking distance of the likes of steve waugh or ricky ponting. I even rate hansie cronje higher than the likes of imran, dhoni, ganguly et al.
 
yeah dude you can believe what you want, but nothing comes within striking distance of the likes of steve waugh or ricky ponting. I even rate hansie cronje higher than the likes of imran, dhoni, ganguly et al.
and keep in mind that clive lloyd has a better win rate than all of the above mentioned.
 
yeah dude you can believe what you want, but nothing comes within striking distance of the likes of steve waugh or ricky ponting. I even rate hansie cronje higher than the likes of imran, dhoni, ganguly et al.
Yeah dude you can believe what you want too.
 
It’s the age old question - is a captain of a great team a great captain?

I personally find it hard to rate captains who inherit a great team. How would they have done given average to good players?

I rate Imran and Dhoni. I don’t rate Waugh or Ponting that much for the above reason.

For that reason also I rate Allan Border very very highly because that man turned around a very average Aussie team through sheer grit and personal example, and took them to a point where subsequent captains Mark Taylor, Waugh etc could really fly.

Finally I rate highest of all Clive Lloyd because he took a team that was average (maybe slightly above average at best), to make it the greatest team of his generation and among the best of all time.
 
If someone with 14 victories in 50 tests, of which 9 are at home and 12 in Asia is the best captain ever, then dare i say Kambli and Karun Nair are the greatest batsmen to have graced the game.
 
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