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CHITRAL: Touching upon the sensitive issue of the blasphemous film that has generated massive protests by Muslims everywhere, Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan likened the sentiments of Muslims for blasphemy with that of the Jews’ for the holocaust and asked for similar rights with regard to hate speech.
Speaking in Chitral and talking the Jewish Holocaust as an example, Khan said that people in Europe can be jailed for just questioning the actuality of the massacre because it hurt the sentiments of the Jews.
“We are also being hurt in the name of ‘freedom of speech’,” said Khan. “We will also get the same law implemented for us in the West,” he added.
Khan said that the people of the West were ignorant of Islam and it was their ignorance which was being manipulated by the people spreading hate against the religion.
“They do not know how much we love our beloved Prophet (pbuh) … that Muslims are willing to sacrifice their lives for him,” said Khan.
“I take the responsibility to educate them about how much we love our beloved Prophet (pbuh),” he said.


http://tribune.com.pk/story/437192/imran-khan-likens-muslim-sentiment-for-blasphemy-to-jews-for-holocaust/#comments
 
so imran is in favour of the silly laws that criminalise holocaust denial in certain European countries?

i thought imran was smarter than to fall for the tricks of the film makers, doesnt look like it.
 
He should also look to educate muslims on how to respond to these publications. clearly the way we do it now is wrong.

having said that maybe he is just playing for the audience as well...
 
amateurdentist said:
He should also look to educate muslims on how to respond to these publications. clearly the way we do it now is wrong.

having said that maybe he is just playing for the audience as well...
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That's exactly what he is doing.
Imran Khan can be best described as centrist person.
 
ElRaja said:
so imran is in favour of the silly laws that criminalise holocaust denial in certain European countries?

i thought imran was smarter than to fall for the tricks of the film makers, doesnt look like it.
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Where did he say he favors it? He is only using it as an example even though this law is kind of idiotic but if we can get something similar implemented to stop this mocking then why not? It will save a lot of lives and businesses. That's what he meant.
 
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amateurdentist said:
He should also look to educate muslims on how to respond to these publications. clearly the way we do it now is wrong.

having said that maybe he is just playing for the audience as well...
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Educate 1billion muslims? Oh okkaaay i get it mr. Amateur :ahmed
 
it's a fair point, saw anything about a jew or question the holocaust and you're automatically asked to shut or and could even be arrested. But do the same against muslims and it's the beauty of free speech
 
Down2Earth said:
it's a fair point, saw anything about a jew or question the holocaust and you're automatically asked to shut or and could even be arrested. But do the same against muslims and it's the beauty of free speech
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Jews have the financial and therefore political clout to make their voices heard and assert their will in issues of significance to them and to think that these guys number less than 70% of the population of Karachi. Muslims on the other hand are a joke. There's 1.65 billion of them and combined, they produce less than 147 million French and Germans or 127 million Japanese.
 
So we are basically equating having an opinion on a belief system with that having a insensitive opinion of lakhs of people brutally murdered?

Will my opinion that On Sachin Tendulkar as a cricketer be equated to Jews holocaust as well??????

Two are very different in my opinion....
 
Down2Earth said:
it's a fair point, saw anything about a jew or question the holocaust and you're automatically asked to shut or and could even be arrested. But do the same against muslims and it's the beauty of free speech
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you are free to question the jewish faith but to question a genocide of them and that too in modern times is insane.
plz don't equate faith with terrible facts of history.
 
Rizwan25 said:
Where did he say he favors it?
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he must agree with it on some level to mention it as an example, otherwise why would he look to implement something similar if he fundamentally disagreed with or disliked it.

Rizwan25 said:
but if we can get something similar implemented to stop this mocking then why not? It will save a lot of lives and businesses. That's what he meant.
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because it will never work, holocaust denial and anti-semetic opinion is vocally expressed in many countries, jews dont really care as long as they can ensure such views arent given political credence on major platforms in the main european nations and the english speaking world.

even if you passed similar laws in europe, some random nobody in the middle of nowhere could make an offensive cartoon or video and thousands and thousands of muslims will react exactly like the provoker wanted.

its playground behavior where you tease someone for a reaction and they perform on cue every time.
 
It sounds like Imran Khan, The Politician's statement.

Election time and he is playing it to the masses.
 
lol some people really ruffled by what Imran said

Anyway

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Senman said:
CHITRAL: Touching upon the sensitive issue of the blasphemous film that has generated massive protests by Muslims everywhere, Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan likened the sentiments of Muslims for blasphemy with that of the Jews’ for the holocaust and asked for similar rights with regard to hate speech.
Speaking in Chitral and talking the Jewish Holocaust as an example, Khan said that people in Europe can be jailed for just questioning the actuality of the massacre because it hurt the sentiments of the Jews.
“We are also being hurt in the name of ‘freedom of speech’,” said Khan. “We will also get the same law implemented for us in the West,” he added.
Khan said that the people of the West were ignorant of Islam and it was their ignorance which was being manipulated by the people spreading hate against the religion.
“They do not know how much we love our beloved Prophet (pbuh) … that Muslims are willing to sacrifice their lives for him,” said Khan.
“I take the responsibility to educate them about how much we love our beloved Prophet (pbuh),” he said.


http://tribune.com.pk/story/437192/imran-khan-likens-muslim-sentiment-for-blasphemy-to-jews-for-holocaust/#comments
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I am speechless for such views coming from Imran Khan. You can talk nonsense about Jews anywhere without getting into trouble. Holocaust is historical fact which happened only 50-60 years ago. There is law in only 12-13 countries to ensure that people don't trivialize it and if you see the list of countries then you will get an idea why they want to ensure that such things don't repeat. Out of 12-13, most of them were directly impacted by holocaust.

But you can trivialize the holocaust in most countries, including USA, without getting into trouble. I don't understand how can you compare these two.
 
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I expected Imran Khan to be a moderate leader but he comes across a conservative Mullah appeaser .
 
Waits for a few days to see which way the wind is blowing, then scurries to ingratiate himself with the prevailing opinion.

Proper politician
 
eradicator said:
I expected Imran Khan to be a moderate leader but he comes across a conservative Mullah appeaser .
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Or may be he has learned to say few things which will get him elected however stupid it might be.
 
Down2Earth said:
it's a fair point, saw anything about a jew or question the holocaust and you're automatically asked to shut or and could even be arrested. But do the same against muslims and it's the beauty of free speech
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Ahmedinejad of Iran, denies holocaust regularly, if there is a ti* for tat, there would be a movie every month.

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:)) wow certain posters seem disappointing from Imran whilst at the same time having a go at Pakistan...no surprise

Jeez!

Lemme guess guys 'Taliban Khan'? :poodle
 
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Buffet said:
I am speechless for such views coming from Imran Khan. You can talk nonsense about Jews anywhere without getting into trouble. Holocaust is historical fact which happened only 50-60 years ago. There is law in only 12-13 countries to ensure that people don't trivialize it and if you see the list of countries then you will get an idea why they want to ensure that such things don't repeat. Out of 12-13, most of them were directly impacted by holocaust.

But you can trivialize the holocaust in most countries, including USA, without getting into trouble. I don't understand how can you compare these two.
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Five men and a 15-year-old youth have been arrested in East Renfrewshire and Glasgow after anti-Semitic remarks were posted on social network site Facebook.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18087379

Some seriously stupid posts on here. Imran Khan makes a simple enough point, just as Jews feel emotional trauma when people question the holocaust, Muslims also feel the same when people abuse the Islam. The only difference is Jews have certain protection but Muslims don't.

The EDL are allowed to carry banners which demand no more mosques to calling Islam a religion of terrorists. Make the same banner changing the word Islam to Judaism you would get arrested.
 
golimar said:
Ahmedinejad of Iran, denies holocaust regularly, if there is a ti* for tat, there would be a movie every month.
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He denies certain aspects of it and would like a more deeper independent historical research in to it, nothing wrong with that birdbrain.
 
KingKhanWC said:
The EDL are allowed to carry banners which demand no more mosques to calling Islam a religion of terrorists. Make the same banner changing the word Islam to Judaism you would get arrested.
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Protests against Judaism may get you arrested in UK, but protests against Islam will get you beheaded by a jihadi.
 
KingKhanWC said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18087379

Some seriously stupid posts on here. Imran Khan makes a simple enough point, just as Jews feel emotional trauma when people question the holocaust, Muslims also feel the same when people abuse the Islam. The only difference is Jews have certain protection but Muslims don't.

The EDL are allowed to carry banners which demand no more mosques to calling Islam a religion of terrorists. Make the same banner changing the word Islam to Judaism you would get arrested.
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Just answer in simple yes or No. Do you believe that rule against Holocaust denial in 12-13 countries are for protecting sentiments of Jews?
 
The Holocaust never happened, it's to hide history and the great actions of Hitler, defeated by the tyrannical forces of UK
 
golimar said:
Protests against Judaism may get you arrested in UK, but protests against Islam will get you beheaded by a jihadi.
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The EDL have been protesting for years now, no member has been beheaded. Keep smoking the crack pipe.

Do you believe that rule against Holocaust denial in 12-13 countries are for protecting sentiments of Jews?
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Yes.
 
Buffet said:
Wouldn't it make sense for them to have it in USA?
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No. There should be no law against Holocaust denial, anybody should be allowed to question an historical event in a respectful manner.

Any more questions?
 
KingKhanWC said:
No. There should be no law against Holocaust denial, anybody should be allowed to question an historical event in a respectful manner.

Any more questions?
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Oh, Sorry for poor communication from my side. I meant if law is just to protect sentiments then Jews having so much clout would have pushed for same law in USA. But it does not exist. It is limited to countries mostly who were directly or indirectly impacted by holocaust.
 
Andrew Hughes said:
Waits for a few days to see which way the wind is blowing, then scurries to ingratiate himself with the prevailing opinion.

Proper politician
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The Jalsa (political rally) in Chitral was planned weeks/months in advance as are all Jalsa's, so no 'scurrying' or 'integration' in certain areas to 'go with the wind' thanks very much
 
Buffet said:
Oh, Sorry for poor communication from my side. I meant if law is just to protect sentiments then Jews having so much clout would have pushed for same law in USA. But it does not exist. It is limited to countries mostly who were directly or indirectly impacted by holocaust.
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Perhaps because no such law could be passed? It's irrelevant to the thread, IK nailed it, Muslims generally are fair game in the world but Jews generally are not. Double standards.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Perhaps because no such law could be passed? It's irrelevant to the thread, IK nailed it, Muslims generally are fair game in the world but Jews generally are not. Double standards.
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It is very relevant otherwise I would not have brought it. Point is - there is certain law to make sure people don't trivialize a genocide which happened only 50-60 years back. That law was mainly passed by countries who were directly or indirectly impacted by it to ensure that genocide does not happen again. Law is limited in 12-13 countries and most of them were directly or indirectly impacted by genocide.

If it was for sentiments of Jews then they have so much control in USA, it would sense for them to have something similar in USA and lot of other countries because USA has plenty of pull in most countries.

If you don't see a difference here, I don't have any more argument to convince you. Personally, I don't have any problem with any one questioning it but I was trying to explain why IK is comparing apple and oranges to get votes or if he certainly believe this way then I was had a wrong perception about him.
 
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Mohsin said:
The Jalsa (political rally) in Chitral was planned weeks/months in advance as are all Jalsa's, so no 'scurrying' or 'integration' in certain areas to 'go with the wind' thanks very much
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I think going with the wind comments was more to do with what he said during the rally and had very little to do with actually rally.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Perhaps because no such law could be passed? It's irrelevant to the thread, IK nailed it, Muslims generally are fair game in the world but Jews generally are not. Double standards.
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This is what makes the world go round and fact is that Jews have it and Muslims do not.
 
tanzeel said:
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This is what makes the world go round and fact is that Jews have it and Muslims do not.
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i realy doubt a few million jews left in the world have that much clout over muslim countries of more than a billion people ,which control nealry half of the petroleum of the world.

if true, then its like the 300 movie :p
 
anakin said:
i realy doubt a few million jews left in the world have that much clout over muslim countries of more than a billion people ,which control nealry half of the petroleum of the world.

if true, then its like the 300 movie :p
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Actually they do. I'm the last person to blame every problem of the world on Zionists, but the fact is that they wield an enormous influence on the US Senate and hence the entire world.
 
Saudi said:
Actually they do. I'm the last person to blame every problem of the world on Zionists, but the fact is that they wield an enormous influence on the US Senate and hence the entire world.
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world would be a much more peaceful place if we didn't club ourselves into religious identities.
Nations would fight but atleast they will compromise for peace but religion is too stubborn, placed on too high a pedestal to think of compromise.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Perhaps because no such law could be passed? It's irrelevant to the thread, IK nailed it, Muslims generally are fair game in the world but Jews generally are not. Double standards.
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Here in the UK, Muslims are protected from hate speech by the same laws that protect Jews.
 
Robert said:
Here in the UK, Muslims are protected from hate speech by the same laws that protect Jews.
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its all about limits on freedom of speech, if you watched South park you would understand US is pretty lax about it.
 
anakin said:
its all about limits on freedom of speech, if you watched South park you would understand US is pretty lax about it.
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I believe that freedom of speech should have limits if the greater good is thereby served. We have always had such limits, such as our libel laws.
 
Robert said:
Some of my wife's customers are extermination camp survivors. They still have the camp tattoos. They tell her stories to make the blood run cold.
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I never said that none were killed. Were they threatened for being Jewish? And how'd they survive?
 
truthseer said:
I never said that none were killed. Were they threatened for being Jewish? And how'd they survive?
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watch some documentaries or go to Polish concentration camp sites.
I would suggested movies like The boy in striped pyjamas, Pianist and Schindler's list but that would be futile i think.
 
anakin said:
watch some documentaries or go to Polish concentration camp sites.
I would suggested movies like The boy in striped pyjamas, Pianist and Schindler's list but that would be futile i think.
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In Poland, Gypsies and Polish were killed too
 
truthseer said:
The Holocaust never happened, it's to hide history and the great actions of Hitler, defeated by the tyrannical forces of UK
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Are you kidding me? Hitler started a war that claimed the lives of well over 50 million people, how can you possibly call him great?

If the UK is this horrific, tyrannical place that you claim it to be, why have huge numbers of people come from all over the world to live in the UK? We get that you don't like the West(especially the UK and the US) but you're taking it too far now.
 
MattyB said:
Are you kidding me? Hitler started a war that claimed the lives of well over 50 million people, how can you possibly call him great?

If the UK is this horrific, tyrannical place that you claim it to be, why have huge numbers of people come from all over the world to live in the UK? We get that you don't like the West(especially the UK and the US) but you're taking it too far now.
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relax man!! TruthSeer has the truth seeing ball used by Saruman in LOTR
:p
 
truthseer said:
UK of 1945 (ruling like a despot) =/ UK of 2012
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But saying that Hitler's actions were "great" is incredibly disrespectful to the soldiers from all over the world who gave their lives fighting against the Axis powers. You might think the UK was bad around the 2nd World War but that is nothing compared to how bad life would have been if Hitler's Nazi Germany had won the war.

The Nazi's showed little mercy to those it did not see as equals(the Aryan race) and if they had taken over the world I doubt there would be even half the amount of Muslims as there are now.
 
Some Muslims show natural love for Hitler due to his hatred for Jews . As if he was very fond of Muslims .
 
eradicator said:
Some Muslims show natural love for Hitler due to his hatred for Jews . As if he was very fond of Muslims .
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I as a free man from a former british colony would thank Hitler because knowingly/unknowingly, he made my country free.

Because of his devastating acts we have the Human rights Declaration calling for equality everywhere. Europe changed when they saw what imperialistic mentality on their people can do.
 
truthseer said:
I never said that none were killed. Were they threatened for being Jewish? And how'd they survive?
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1. If I had seen law after law passed to limit my freedom to work, to move about, to own property, to gain an education....

If I was spat on in the streets....

If I saw my non-Jewish neighbours come in the night and burn my house, and all my Jewish neighbour's houses......

If the shopkeepers would not sell me food....

If I saw my people disappear off the streets one after another,

Then if one day I was arrested and put on a train and not told where I was being sent....

Then if I were in a prison camp, I have a tattoo and a blue Star of David badge, I have seen my elders taken off and shot, bayonetted, or had diesel oil injected directly into their hearts, and my baby brother has just been pitchforked squealing into an oven....

......I think I would consider that I have been threatened for being Jewish, yes.

Or black, or a gypsy, or gay, or disabled, or retarded, or insane.

2. Because the camps were eventually liberated by the Allies. The Royal Artillery soldiers will tell you that the ovens were still warm. The US 761st Tank Batallion will tell you the same thing.

Don't listen to me, though. I wasn't there. Some of the victims and liberators are still alive, in the UK and the USA. You can find them, and talk to them.
 
have you read Mein Kampf or listened to any of the famous speeches by hitler
 
KingKhanWC said:
Jews are considered a race for some strange reason therefore have better protection.
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I have heard Jewish people state that their race is Jewish.

But seriously KK, they do not have that protection. Have a read of the Equality Act.
 
What's the big deal here. Lots of us are pretending as if this was the first time he has said this. I think we already have a thread on this topic on pakpassion.
 
Robert said:
I have heard Jewish people state that their race is Jewish.

But seriously KK, they do not have that protection. Have a read of the Equality Act.
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Jewish people cannot be a race since a Jew is someone who follows Judaism.

In theory the The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 should protect both Muslims, Jews and others equally but never happens. If the EDL marched against Jews, they would be banned.
 
The difference is that being a Jew is not only being a follower but it also means being from a particular ethnicity. Muslims on the other hand only have religion as a common identity and I am afraid when it comes to freedom of expression, religion is on equal footing as political views. So if political views can be made fun of, religion is free game.

However there have been various academics who believe that modern Jews are not really the Semites they claim to be and their origin lies in Eastern Europe where the local population converted to Judaism.
 
Patriot said:
The difference is that being a Jew is not only being a follower but it also means being from a particular ethnicity. Muslims on the other hand only have religion as a common identity and I am afraid when it comes to freedom of expression, religion is on equal footing as political views. So if political views can be made fun of, religion is free game.
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Bravo!! Racism is despised more than religious prejudice because no one can change their race, they are born into it and stay as that. But Religion is a personal belief system, which we have the freedom to choose and even question.
 
Patriot said:
The difference is that being a Jew is not only being a follower but it also means being from a particular ethnicity. Muslims on the other hand only have religion as a common identity and I am afraid when it comes to freedom of expression, religion is on equal footing as political views. So if political views can be made fun of, religion is free game.

However there have been various academics who believe that modern Jews are not really the Semites they claim to be and their origin lies in Eastern Europe where the local population converted to Judaism.
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Jews come from various ethnic backgrounds. It's ironic the Europeans have been massacring the Jews for centuries but now they are protecting them with bias.
 
anakin said:
Bravo!! Racism is despised more than religious prejudice because no one can change their race, they are born into it and stay as that. But Religion is a personal belief system, which we have the freedom to choose and even question.
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There are other areas which are no go apart from race. Privacy laws protect various people including the Royal family. It's a form of protection.

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eradicator said:
I expected Imran Khan to be a moderate leader but he comes across a conservative Mullah appeaser .
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What do you expect him to say when he's trying to get elected in a Muslim country? "The Coptic Christian was right, he used his freedom of speech very cleverly" ?
 
KingKhanWC said:
There are other areas which are no go apart from race. Privacy laws protect various people including the Royal family. It's a form of protection.
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Privacy laws protect common citizens too. I don't mind rich and the famous using it time and again. Talk to all the celebrities, who hard time walking freely out of their homes. One small misstep and wrong words uttered and it is LaLa land for the media.
Anyway extent of privacy laws vary from country to country and is very subjective.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Jewish people cannot be a race since a Jew is someone who follows Judaism.
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There's more to it than that - a language unique to Jews, for example.

In theory the The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 should protect both Muslims, Jews and others equally but never happens. If the EDL marched against Jews, they would be banned.
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You don't know what hasn't happened. I think you are asserting victimhood here.
 
Robert said:
There's more to it than that - a language unique to Jews, for example.
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Do most Jews even speak hebrew? Even if they do it makes no difference to them not being a race or a certain ethnic group.

You don't know what hasn't happened. I think you are asserting victimhood here.
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If you think Muslims aren't victims of hate in the world including the UK, not much I can say. Plenty of people have been criminalised for abusing Jews/Judaism, the same can't be said for those who who abuse Islam.
 
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