Imran Khan suggests there is a PSL cover up

[waqar goraya]

So, why so much of anger at him? what has hit some people's nerves so badly? Are you people really hurt so much because of couple of tweets ?

 

[WC-Passion]

Irfan and Babar?

Irfan hasn't been cleared fully, inquire will continue but he doesn't face any immediate suspension. Also Hasan and Babar have just been questioned.

Source: https://twitter.com/najamsethi

 

[WC-Passion]

I was at work yesterday, did he actually do that?

There was a full discussion and everything, what a legend.

 

[Bewal Express]

Irfan hasn't been cleared fully, inquire will continue but he doesn't face any immediate suspension. Also Hasan and Babar have just been questioned.

Why name him? Especially you allow him to play the next day.

 

[Bewal Express]

If they do, I will judge them on the job that they are doing. A guy in my medical college got admission because of his political connections but he ended up as one of the top students, and beat me thrice in 5 years. I don't complain about it because regardless of how he got there, he did a good job.

Sethi has done a very good job ever since he has been involved with the PCB. He is one of the main reasons behind the success of the PSL and is doing a great job in handling corruption, even if it is ironic at a certain level.

Amazing logic to justify blatant corruption - someone not good enough to get enough into med school in the first finishes top.Have you ever thought about the possibility that he used the same connections to finish top. As Stalin once said 'its not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes"

 

[Artaxerxes]

What is he babbling about, the level of incoherence is staggering for an Oxford graduate.

His tweets make perfect sense to me.Sethi was rewarded by Nawaz for services rendered during the last general election.People like Sethi and the establishment in Punjab put Nawaz into power.It is impossible to win an election in Pakistan without the help of establishment.Sethi's past is very murky.Questions will be asked about his credibility.

 

[WC-Passion]

Why name him? Especially you allow him to play the next day.

I agree it's a bit of a bizarre way to handle things but I guess it's PCB being incompetent again, what do you expect from them when they are discussing it during a live match. They aren't brushing it under the carpet but definitely it's strange how they've reacted.

 

[ZoabKhan]

This is what happens when your leaders are corrupt of the corrupt. When your idols and leaders are Nawaz Sharif, Zardari, Sethi......

Najam Sethi, Shakeel Shaikh, Subhan are going to root out corruption in PSL?
Sethi has major corruption charges against him. Shakeel Shaikh another corrupt individual, been part of PCB for 15+ years now?

 

[ZoabKhan]

His tweets make perfect sense to me.Sethi was rewarded by Nawaz for services rendered during the last general election.People like Sethi and the establishment in Punjab put Nawaz into power.It is impossible to win an election in Pakistan without the help of establishment.Sethi's past is very murky.Questions will be asked about his credibility.

Thank you Artaxerxes. Punjab chief minister, Full-time journalist, editor-in-chief, PCB chairman. Doing all this concurrently. I can barely do my hw and a job assignment at the same time..... What makes Sethi once in a lifetime multi-tasking beast? Or is something else cookin?

 

[last_knight]

If they do, I will judge them on the job that they are doing. A guy in my medical college got admission because of his political connections but he ended up as one of the top students, and beat me thrice in 5 years. I don't complain about it because regardless of how he got there, he did a good job.

One of the worst posts at PP.

Someone lost his seat because your top-student had political connections. It could have been anyone, you and me included. What if it were you losing your seat to your so called top-student?

Are you so naive to understand that he was aided by same political connections to beat you thrice ?

If one can get into your college with political connections, why will he become a saint thereafter and not utilise same connections to top the batch ?

There should be a second chance but only after having faced the law for first misdeed.

 

[Pakpak]

Mamoon praising corrupt people, admitting their corruption but oh well, as they are ''still doing a good job'' yet whines and blabbers if PPers praise Amir(who has completed his punishment) for his skill, something our team is very short of.

 

[IMMY69]

You may not trust him but he is doing a good job. There is nothing wrong in naming people who under investigation, the public deserves this transparency. Had an Imran-appointed official done what Sethi did, you would be full of praise.

Oh the irony

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I also found the "Batman" image of himself he was trying to project rather cringeworthy given his well known affiliations with certain not-so-saintly figures. :Angel_ani

He's the hero Pakistan deserves but not the one it needs right now

 

[kingusama92]

Imran Khan is reaching on this one.

If this is a cover up, Sethi is doing an awful job.

He caught the players, suspended them, and brought it all into the limelight. I don't think that's how cover ups work.

As for the other political stuff, I have no clue and Sethi could be guilty of everything but that has nothing to do with how he handled the PSL issue. I felt he's been on top of his game in this regard even if he became overzealous on the interviews/tweets.

 

[malik29695]

It is the height of competence for me. He gave importance to the people and felt that he had the obligation to reveal information to the public.

I am not part of the investigation so I don't know, but the time period isn't of utmost importance. It could take an hour, two hours, a day, a week etc.

Nothing wrong with how Sethi and Shahryar have handled this so far. They have done an excellent job.

may be he was forced to reveal because it would have been leaked by media anyway

 

[ZoabKhan]

Regarding cover-up.....

When Sethi came out today that "we have punished everyone and gotten to the bottom of it all"

This statement screams cover-up. How did you conduct a investigation in 1/2 a day and found the ring leaders to be Khalid Latif and Sharjeel Khan. You have to get to the bottom of this and embarrass the guilty parties.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

If they do, I will judge them on the job that they are doing. A guy in my medical college got admission because of his political connections but he ended up as one of the top students, and beat me thrice in 5 years. I don't complain about it because regardless of how he got there, he did a good job.

Sethi has done a very good job ever since he has been involved with the PCB. He is one of the main reasons behind the success of the PSL and is doing a great job in handling corruption, even if it is ironic at a certain level.

Personal anecdotes isn't how the world works. Also obviously you wouldn't complain about it because presumably he was beating you fair and square. And if he is good then it's likely he got in on merit and its just jealous folks putting out these rumours. Conversely it could also be true that his subsequent good performance was also due to his connections because the instructors treated him differently.

Anyways this reply does make clear your thought process on many levels. Eye opening to be honest and in line with your previous opinions where you accept your stock and accept any and all corruption around you and Nawaz Sharifs blatant looting isn't an issue

its not the question how that guy eventually did in medical school, but he denied one deserving candidate a bright future. There is a HUGE problem in Pakistan with this "sab chalta hey" culture.

I am almost sure the same guy got good marks in medical school due to his connections. I know how the examination system works in medical schools in Pakistan. Generally its a fair system, but many of the examiners can be approached easily by powerful people for favor.

Amazing logic to justify blatant corruption - someone not good enough to get enough into med school in the first finishes top.Have you ever thought about the possibility that he used the same connections to finish top. As Stalin once said 'its not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes"

One of the worst posts at PP.

Someone lost his seat because your top-student had political connections. It could have been anyone, you and me included. What if it were you losing your seat to your so called top-student?

Are you so naive to understand that he was aided by same political connections to beat you thrice ?

If one can get into your college with political connections, why will he become a saint thereafter and not utilise same connections to top the batch ?

There should be a second chance but only after having faced the law for first misdeed.

The problem with our culture is not just limited to such posts.

It is also interesting to see replies.

Instead of assuming the guy worked hard, we love to pleasure ourselves with thoughts that once a cheat, always a cheat.

Yet when Amir was painted as such, the moral brigade came out in favor of second chances.

Second chances are reserved only for the chosen, the talented and those who we like.

Those we detest are likely to be habitual cheats, habitual crooks and probably always indulge in illegal practices for illegal gains.


Mamoon had the wrong idea of defending corruption, but the litany of posts afterwards just showed how badly we want to appease our own ego.

 

[Slog]

The problem with our culture is not just limited to such posts.

It is also interesting to see replies.

Instead of assuming the guy worked hard, we love to pleasure ourselves with thoughts that once a cheat, always a cheat.

Yet when Amir was painted as such, the moral brigade came out in favor of second chances.

Second chances are reserved only for the chosen, the talented and those who we like.

Those we detest are likely to be habitual cheats, habitual crooks and probably always indulge in illegal practices for illegal gains.


Mamoon had the wrong idea of defending corruption, but the litany of posts afterwards just showed how badly we want to appease our own ego.

ironic that YOU are taking the moral high ground here

 

[Dr_Bassim]

ironic that YOU are taking the moral high ground here

I do not take the high moral ground.

But I believe selective likeness is regrettable.

If I am also doing such a thing, you can point me out.

 

[waleed88]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joke: Election fixer Sethi to eliminate cricket spot fixing! Latter only affects cricket; elec "fixing" greater crime threatening democracy</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/830306221978742784">February 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Attempts to push the PSL spot fixing scandal under the carpet on pretext it will damage Pak cricket, instead of punishing the guilty 1/3</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/830475895395721216">February 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2/3 similar to NS trying to hush up Panama Papers revelations on pretext they are impeding development. Powerful feel they can break the law</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/830476817555456000">February 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3/3 Despite SC order Sharifs' sugar mills continue crushing on pretext closure will harm farmers. The powerful feel they are above the law.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/830478387395313664">February 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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This guy is shameless.. I will dread the day he becomes our PM, our own Donald Trump in the making...

Only seen Trump make such baseless claims without having an iota of proof..

 

[waleed88]

And he is doing a good job, regardless of how he got the position in the first place.

PSL would not have happened without his involvement in Pakistan cricket. People like Imran Khan have only provided lip service and outdated armchair criticism for Pakistan cricket over the last 20 years, at least Sethi is actively involved and doing something constructive.

Sethi has criticized the PCB for the structure of domestics in his program, he's also admitted that Imran Khan and other ex cricketers are right about the problems in our setup, he also went to say that everyone likes talking about stuff but nobody wants to do it... I mean for a guy who gets abused by Imran Khan daily, he has some level of sense in him to say and accept when someone is right

Imran Khan has to learn and appreciate something good when he sees it.. he's too hot headed, too emotional, too bullish in whatever he says as well as in his beliefs.. like to enforce them as the truth and the only truth

 

[waleed88]

Mamoon praising corrupt people, admitting their corruption but oh well, as they are ''still doing a good job'' yet whines and blabbers if PPers praise Amir(who has completed his punishment) for his skill, something our team is very short of.

Please what proof you have Sethi is corrupt?

For all I know Imran Khan has been avoiding hearings in court on a defamation case from Najam Sethi.. he's paying a big price of his verbal diarrhea.. and he carries on doing it

 

[Syed1]

Please what proof you have Sethi is corrupt?

For all I know Imran Khan has been avoiding hearings in court on a defamation case from Najam Sethi.. he's paying a big price of his verbal diarrhea.. and he carries on doing it

Sethi is a small fish. Imran has bigger fish to fry (Nawaz Sharif).

As they say "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep". Sethi is a classic example of a sheep and a darbari.


Why is it that a journalist who has no administrative experience is made the caretaker PM of Punjab by Nawaz out of the blue and then after he successfully rigged the elections he is rewarded by given the position of chairman PCB.


Sethi is a small person who will get sold to the highest bidder quite easily. This is why it is ironical when he talks about "weeding corruption". It is like Nawaz Sharif advocating an end to money laundering.

 

[Black Zero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joke: Election fixer Sethi to eliminate cricket spot fixing! Latter only affects cricket; elec "fixing" greater crime threatening democracy</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/830306221978742784">February 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Attempts to push the PSL spot fixing scandal under the carpet on pretext it will damage Pak cricket, instead of punishing the guilty 1/3</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/830475895395721216">February 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2/3 similar to NS trying to hush up Panama Papers revelations on pretext they are impeding development. Powerful feel they can break the law</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/830476817555456000">February 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3/3 Despite SC order Sharifs' sugar mills continue crushing on pretext closure will harm farmers. The powerful feel they are above the law.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/830478387395313664">February 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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IK, what about implementation of Justice Wajhi's ruling about your party's election?
You should be the absolute last person to point finger.

 

[waleed88]

Sethi is a small fish. Imran has bigger fish to fry (Nawaz Sharif).

As they say "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep". Sethi is a classic example of a sheep and a darbari.


Why is it that a journalist who has no administrative experience is made the caretaker PM of Punjab by Nawaz out of the blue and then after he successfully rigged the elections he is rewarded by given the position of chairman PCB.


Sethi is a small person who will get sold to the highest bidder quite easily. This is why it is ironical when he talks about "weeding corruption". It is like Nawaz Sharif advocating an end to money laundering.

A journalist with a credible CV, highly educated, well balanced analysis, knows everything from the top to the bottom on ins and outs of politics, has been a political animal since university days, has a credible family background, but is one of the few journalists that well connected civilians politics as well as the army.. most importantly he is pro-democratic..

if you are in doubt that this does not take place anywhere else in the world you are wrong..

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-top-10-journalist-politicians-a7050881.html

here are few examples of journalist turn politicians, most notable example is Winston Churchill

 

[waleed88]

I know Sethi will never win the votes, but I strongly believe Sethi is someone who could do much better than Imran Khan as a Prime Minister.. Imran is all hot air and no realism

 

[uberkoen]

Verbal diarrhea.

Imran has a habit of making baseless accusations. Can't believe people still take him seriously. Pakistan's version of Donald Trump.

 

[Adil_94]

Pathetic stuff from Imran using this event to further his political agenda

 

[Saj]

Not sure about the angle but he has a point in terms of Sethi and Shahryar coming out with opposite statements.

Suspicions will arise if one says more players involved and then suddenly the other says no more players are involved.

 

[cricwiz]

We need to wait for a fortnight to see whether what Imran saying is true or not...

There have been reports that PCB had to act fast against Sharjeel & Latif because of ICC. Had they ignored it, ICC ACSU would have taken self action against the two. ANDDDD had ICC caught them, it would have been extremely bad for Pakistan cricket and also for the brand of PSL.

So how this all unfolds, we will get to see in couple of weeks.

 

[classic]

Thank you Artaxerxes. Punjab chief minister, Full-time journalist, editor-in-chief, PCB chairman. Doing all this concurrently. I can barely do my hw and a job assignment at the same time..... What makes Sethi once in a lifetime multi-tasking beast? Or is something else cookin?

Sethi is probably the most intelligent yet corrupt person I know in Pakistani media right now with all the connections..A very dangerous man . For all we know he is secretly plotting his way into the premier seat one day .

 

[last_knight]

The problem with our culture is not just limited to such posts.

It is also interesting to see replies.

Instead of assuming the guy worked hard, we love to pleasure ourselves with thoughts that once a cheat, always a cheat.

Yet when Amir was painted as such, the moral brigade came out in favor of second chances.

Second chances are reserved only for the chosen, the talented and those who we like.

Those we detest are likely to be habitual cheats, habitual crooks and probably always indulge in illegal practices for illegal gains.


Mamoon had the wrong idea of defending corruption, but the litany of posts afterwards just showed how badly we want to appease our own ego.

There are loopholes one can escape through, but when proven, no misdeeds should go unpunished, no matter how righteous one becomes after committing a misdeed. That's fundamental principle of a civilised society.

Your concept of Second-Chance is inappropriate. It's not for chosens and talenteds. Second-Chance is only for the ones who have faced the law and served the subjective punishment for their earlier misdeed. Giving someone a Second-Chance without accountability of one's earlier misdeed is an even bigger evil on behalf of society.

If someone grabs my land and start farming it in an ideal way, this doesn't make him legal and ethically acceptable owner of the land. Mamoon was projecting it as if this is acceptable.

If Amir faced the law and served the subjective punishment, he joins the pool of eligibles and becomes entitled to same rights as of others in the pool. You can't deny him of his rights. Yes you can appeal to authorities for a life-time ban but you should respect their verdict.

Coming back to the OP, tweets will become more comprehensible in coming days and we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions too early. Everything is still very ambiguous.

 

[Asim2Good]

Imran Khan trying to be relevant in Cricket

 

[Dr_Bassim]

There are loopholes one can escape through, but when proven, no misdeeds should go unpunished, no matter how righteous one becomes after committing a misdeed. That's fundamental principle of a civilised society.

Your concept of Second-Chance is inappropriate. It's not for chosens and talenteds. Second-Chance is only for the ones who have faced the law and served the subjective punishment for their earlier misdeed. Giving someone a Second-Chance without accountability of one's earlier misdeed is an even bigger evil on behalf of society.

If someone grabs my land and start farming it in an ideal way, this doesn't make him legal and ethically acceptable owner of the land. Mamoon was projecting it as if this is acceptable.

If Amir faced the law and served the subjective punishment, he joins the pool of eligibles and becomes entitled to same rights as of others in the pool. You can't deny him of his rights. Yes you can appeal to authorities for a life-time ban but you should respect their verdict.

Coming back to the OP, tweets will become more comprehensible in coming days and we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions too early. Everything is still very ambiguous.

Wonder why Amir can get a second chance in cricket but why I dont get a second chance if my license is cancelled.

Oh right.

I do get a second chance.

Just not as a doctor.

Similarly, the proposed student, whether he was punished or not is paying for his sins, by being accused of probably bribing his way to top. No matter what he does, everyone will point their fingers at him. He is unlikely to get second chance.

Amir should have had a second chance.

Just not in cricket.

Unless you are willing to have me as a doctor if I take out your liver instead of appendix and still recommend me forward.

 

[Khan12]

People bashing Imran. Please tell me how sethi got the job.

 

[Black Zero]

Wonder why Amir can get a second chance in cricket but why I dont get a second chance if my license is cancelled.

Oh right.

I do get a second chance.

Just not as a doctor.

Similarly, the proposed student, whether he was punished or not is paying for his sins, by being accused of probably bribing his way to top. No matter what he does, everyone will point their fingers at him. He is unlikely to get second chance.

Amir should have had a second chance.

Just not in cricket.

Unless you are willing to have me as a doctor if I take out your liver instead of appendix and still recommend me forward.

In canada, doctor can practice after his suspension period is over.
Search Dr. Javad Peirovy

Even after revocation of license, doctor can appeal and get it back in canada.

 

[Black Zero]

People bashing Imran. Please tell me how sethi got the job.

Latest appintment: He was selected by majority board members as per pcb constitution
First time, after PMLN victory, NS fired zaka, who was picked by zada ri, and picked Sethi.

It's the similar way, all other pcb heads were selected in Pakistan.

Sethi wanted a bigger role, like governor Lahore, but NS gave him this smaller role.

 

[Khan12]

Latest appintment: He was selected by majority board members as per pcb constitution
First time, after PMLN victory, NS fired zaka, who was picked by zada ri, and picked Sethi.

It's the similar way, all other pcb heads were selected in Pakistan.

Sethi wanted a bigger role, like governor Lahore, but NS gave him this smaller role.

So selected based on connections. And not on actuall merit. Shameless person he is then. He was selected due to poltical reasons and people are bashing Imran for bringing politics into cricket. Such is the level of their hypocrisy.

 

[Bewal Express]

Latest appintment: He was selected by majority board members as per pcb constitution
First time, after PMLN victory, NS fired zaka, who was picked by zada ri, and picked Sethi.

It's the similar way, all other pcb heads were selected in Pakistan.

Sethi wanted a bigger role, like governor Lahore, but NS gave him this smaller role.

Do you think that he would have been given the role if he was anti Sharif? If not? Why not? Would he have been any less qualified if he was anti Sharif. I love the defense of blatant corruption and the criticism of people who have the courage to criticise it. This appointment by NS is for services rendered and IK was right to highlight the hypocrisy of Sethi.

 

[IMMY69]

Imran Khan is absolutely spot on in this and has remained consistent on these issues not since he came into politics but for pretty much his entire cricketing career.


There are several threads already on Sharjeel's and Latiff's suspensions and a thread stating by how well the PCB have acted. Then another thread by Saj highlighting the contraditions of Sethi and Sheryar.

Anyone who disagrees with Imran Khan would be well advised to read those threads again.

If you come to the same conclusion then that's fine. Just don't complain when Pakistan continues to exist in corruption, our FC Cricket remains in the doldrums and more players are exposed in the future..

 

[last_knight]

Wonder why Amir can get a second chance in cricket but why I dont get a second chance if my license is cancelled.

Oh right.

I do get a second chance.

Just not as a doctor.

Similarly, the proposed student, whether he was punished or not is paying for his sins, by being accused of probably bribing his way to top. No matter what he does, everyone will point their fingers at him. He is unlikely to get second chance.

Amir should have had a second chance.

Just not in cricket.

Unless you are willing to have me as a doctor if I take out your liver instead of appendix and still recommend me forward.

There is difference between license barred for couple of years and license cancelled for life and authorities decide what punishment is appropriate. If your license is barred for 1-2 years, you get a second chance definitely as a doctor.

Why authorities didn't ban Amir for life is a question one should ask from authorities. Not from Amir. People directs their questions towards Amir when they should be questioning ICC.

Someone, Amir in this case, waited 5 years in hope of making a comeback. Why put him in misery of wasting 5 years in hope of a comeback when you aren't going to accept him anyway. You are robbing him of 5 years from his life. Why didn't they ban him for life so he could attempt a career in something else and not waste 5 years of his life.

Peri-operative, there are mistakes (accountable) and then there are Iatrogenic complications (not accountable).

 

[Cricketfan no 1]

Sports should never be mixed with politics. This was a very desperate tweet, where he forcefully tried to invent a correlation between this match-fixing fiasco and the Panama Leaks, even though the PCB have been very active in handling the situation and are by no means are 'pushing it under the carpet'.

His supporters are even worse. I have been told that yesterday during the Zalmi match, PTI supporters with 'Go Nawaz Go' slogans and PTI flags were escorted out of the stadium by security. PSL is no place for political agendas.

Then This mr Sethi should be kicked out first feom PCB

 

[waqar goraya]

Latest appintment: He was selected by majority board members as per pcb constitution
First time, after PMLN victory, NS fired zaka, who was picked by zada ri, and picked Sethi.

It's the similar way, all other pcb heads were selected in Pakistan.

Sethi wanted a bigger role, like governor Lahore, but NS gave him this smaller role.

PCB head is better than governorship, in most aspects.

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

Yes. He is the Indian Kejriwal who is the Pakistani Imran. Both stand-up comedians.

Shouldn't have encouraged bringing Kejriwal into the mix . He is immature but good. He does many good things.

 

[Mamoon]

I don't know who you're trying to fool here, every minute thing Imran does you've a problem with and don't keep yourself from posting your hate filled views here, yet are hush when it comes to Nawaz.

What do you want me to say? I have acknowledged many times that Nawaz is corrupt and the Panama Leaks are factual. However, what that means for his future depends on the decision of the Supreme Court.

Nawaz may be many things, but he is not a motormouth like Imran and doesn't come with idiotic statements every day.

 

[Syed1]

What do you want me to say? I have acknowledged many times that Nawaz is corrupt and the Panama Leaks are factual. However, what that means for his future depends on the decision of the Supreme Court.

Nawaz may be many things, but he is not a motormouth like Imran and doesn't come with idiotic statements every day.

Nawaz may not be a motormouth but he definitely is motorhands when it comes to stealing cash.

 

[DHONI183]

Although I understand the political background behind such statements, and I must commend the PCB for taking the immediate action here, but I also think that the issue could´ve been handled better than they did, certainly more quietly with regards to investigating further players than the two caught. It looked so odd seeing Sethi tweet live updates about players that were being investigated one by one! He needs shun the media-man within himself in order to a job as important as being the chairman of the PCB.

His live updates style tweeting only led to more insecurity and the rumours that kept on spreading all day. Two were caught, suspended and sent home, fair enough, this couldn´t have been kept undisclosed, and there was no need for that either perhaps, but the rest of the investigation could´ve been done quietly without making so much noise. The PCB is itself partly responsible for every cricketer´s name under the sun being named by the channels.

On top of all, Shehryar holds a press conference to announce that Irfan´s name isn´t clear yet, and that he might too be shortly issued a show-cause notice, but continues to be available for Islamabad. Where does that leave the integrity of the league and where does that leave Irfan´s team-mates who´re currently practicing with him? How would the Islamabad´s set-up be feeling right now?

Although, I strongly disagree with the suggestion though that the two players suspended might´ve got a raw deal due to a misunderstanding created by a photo with a friend who denies being a bookie. They don´t take such an action based on conjecture and hearsays, certainly not when it puts the integrity of their own league into question. If there had been any room to be even slightly lenient on them, they would´ve done that, as they´ve in Irfan´s case.

 

[Mamoon]

I am almost sure the same guy got good marks in medical school due to his connections. I know how the examination system works in medical schools in Pakistan. Generally its a fair system, but many of the examiners can be approached easily by powerful people for favor.

Amazing logic to justify blatant corruption - someone not good enough to get enough into med school in the first finishes top.Have you ever thought about the possibility that he used the same connections to finish top. As Stalin once said 'its not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes"

One of the worst posts at PP.

Someone lost his seat because your top-student had political connections. It could have been anyone, you and me included. What if it were you losing your seat to your so called top-student?

Are you so naive to understand that he was aided by same political connections to beat you thrice ?

If one can get into your college with political connections, why will he become a saint thereafter and not utilise same connections to top the batch ?

There should be a second chance but only after having faced the law for first misdeed.

[MENTION=128087]last_knight[/MENTION]

I think it is very naive on your part to assume that during the 5 years that I spent with him, I along with others did not take into consideration that his academic success might be linked to his political connections. In addition, he wasn't the 'top' student; both of us were among the best students of our batch but he personally beat me 3 times in 5 years, and he did that due to his own hard work.

Contacts and political connections will give you a seat in an institute and it might help you pass exams, but it cannot hide incompetence and neither can it make you competent. This person not only passed his exams but he was actually knowledgable. I have worked with him in groups and he was also in my batch during our House Job, and he may not have deserved a place in the medical college in the first place, he most definitely deserved everything he has achieved since.

Besides, I will blame his father more than him. An 18-19 year teenager who didn't pass the entrance exam due to his carelessness (not because he was incompetent) will most likely not have the guts to stand up to his father and tell him not to use his political influence to get him in because it is not the right thing to do.

In addition, he will also most likely not have the guts to tell his father to use his political connections to get him admission. Either way, it is was his father's decision with him having almost no input. He is not my friend, but having known and worked with him for years, I believe that to a certain (or great) extent, he was/is not proud of what his father and worked very hard during his years in the medical college to prove that he can hold his own.

The word spread quickly in the medical college within the first few months and he used to get mocked regularly. This most likely inspired him to work very hard and earn the success that he achieved in those 5 years and for that, he earned their respect including mine. At times, it is important to understand the context of the situation and look what that person has achieved at the end of the day.

Yes he did cost someone who would have got admission on merit, and it is likely that the person whom he cost a position would have done better than him, who may have been disheartened now and if he did not have the financial resources, could have changed his field altogether with his dreams shattered.

On the flip side, it is also possible that he/she may not have done better than this guy, may have proved to be a mediocre doctor and thus in that case, the society has benefited because of this guy getting a seat over that guy/girl. That person may have changed his field now and achieved even more success. Yes it could have been me and I would have been disappointed, but I could also have changed my career and done even better.

I will reiterate again, and again and again. I am not condoning corruption and I do not think it is right. However, it is something that we must live with. Corruption can be reduced and it should be reduced, but it cannot be eliminated. It will always be there, especially in our society. We do not live in a Utopian world. We have to accept that at some point in some facet, one individual will get an edge over another individual due to his status.

That individual with status might prove to be competent or he might prove to be incompetent. If he proves to be worthy, the society benefits; if he proves to be incompetent, the society suffers.

Do you guys think that if PTI comes into power and Imran becomes the PM, these things will not happen? Do you think some folks will stop getting admission in state-funded institutes due to their connections? Or will people no longer get employed due to their connections?

Why did Imran Khan dismiss his own election commission, when they exposed the intra-party rigging in PTI? Favors, nothing else. He could not afford to lose those people for the stability and future of his political career.

Do you know about the favors Pervez Khattak's son has done for his friends? No of course you don't, because A) you don't live in Peshawar B) these things generally don't make it to the media because quite often, they are low-profile and on a small-scale, but at the end of the day, the common man is still cheated.

Now to come back to Najam Sethi, first of all, there is no proof that he is corrupt. Just because he is pro-Nawaz and anti-Imran does not make him a corrupt individual. He got this position because of his status and contacts, but he has done a very good job ever since he has been involved with the PCB.

Would you rather have a person who has been selected on merit (but proves to be incompetent) or a person who has not been selected on merit (but proves to be competent)? Obviously, nothing better than a competent person who gets selected on merit, but this is the real world and we have to accept that these favors will always be granted. If you think that if Imran becomes PM, he will not give the PCB job to one of his 'friends', or not install a favorite as Finance Minister etc., then it is nothing but naivety on your part.

Najam Sethi is the reason why PSL happened in the first place. We have been hearing about it for years and years, but nothing concrete happened before he stepped in.

Najam Sethi is the reason why Pakistan were able to host Zimbabwe in 2015.

Najam Sethi is the reason why the PSL final was supposed to be held in Lahore (unfortunately 'supposed' because I highly doubt it now because of the blast today). He was the first one who proposed the idea of hosting it in Lahore and he did that at the end of the first season.

Najam Sethi is also key for Pakistan hosting international cricket in the near future.

I understand PTI supporters hate him because their leader suffers from Sethiphobia, but judge him on the good that he has done. He is not perfect but he has been considerably better than the previous administrators. His proactive handling of the fixing scandal cannot be rubbished because he is 'supposedly' corrupt and because he supports someone who is corrupt.

 

[JaDed]

Not sure about the angle but he has a point in terms of Sethi and Shahryar coming out with opposite statements.

Suspicions will arise if one says more players involved and then suddenly the other says no more players are involved.

Nas but it could be he is involved rather than a major "coverup".

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon praising corrupt people, admitting their corruption but oh well, as they are ''still doing a good job'' yet whines and blabbers if PPers praise Amir(who has completed his punishment) for his skill, something our team is very short of.

First of all, there is no proof that Sethi is corrupt. He might support corrupt leaders but that does not make him corrupt. Obviously you know this but too because I believe your family is based there, but there are many honest people in Lahore and in Punjab who are by no means corrupt but yet they still support Nawaz/PML-N because they do good work there.

Not everyone is a saint and not everyone looks at what's good for the whole country. People have self-interests as well.

Sethi cannot be compared with the guy in your avatar (let's ignore the irony of you supporting a fixer in spite of being vocal against corruption) who is a certified criminal and was sent to jail for his crimes. Compared to Amir, Sethi is a saint.

In hindsight, not banning Amir and the other two for life was the wrong decision. At least they should have been banned from international cricket. If not a formal ban, they should not have been considered for selection which is the same thing.

Now obviously Amir cannot be banned again, but in a hypothetical scenario (which obviously will not happen) if the PCB decides that any player guilty of fixing in the present and the past will not be considered for selection anymore as part of their cleansing process, Amir will not have the right to complain because he cannot force the selectors to pick him.

Now since that is simply hypothetical and it will not happen, so Amir should be judged on performance and while he has been good in LOIs, he has been poor in Tests and has had no impact whatsoever. I don't do the 'he has been unlucky' bla bla nonsense, because he has clearly not been bowling well and he if continues to flop in Tests, his automatic selection should be reviewed.

 

[Mamoon]

Then This mr Sethi should be kicked out first feom PCB

That's different. Sethi is involved with the administration, he is not a coach. You don't need to be affiliated with cricket to work in the PCB.

What I meant was that sports shouldn't be used as a platform to for political agendas, which is what Imran did with his desperate tweet.

 

[Pakpak]

First of all, there is no proof that Sethi is corrupt. He might support corrupt leaders but that does not make him corrupt. Obviously you know this but too because I believe your family is based there, but there are many honest people in Lahore and in Punjab who are by no means corrupt but yet they still support Nawaz/PML-N because they do good work there.

Not everyone is a saint and not everyone looks at what's good for the whole country. People have self-interests as well.

Sethi cannot be compared with the guy in your avatar (let's ignore the irony of you supporting a fixer in spite of being vocal against corruption) who is a certified criminal and was sent to jail for his crimes. Compared to Amir, Sethi is a saint.

In hindsight, not banning Amir and the other two for life was the wrong decision. At least they should have been banned from international cricket. If not a formal ban, they should not have been considered for selection which is the same thing.

Now obviously Amir cannot be banned again, but in a hypothetical scenario (which obviously will not happen) if the PCB decides that any player guilty of fixing in the present and the past will not be considered for selection anymore as part of their cleansing process, Amir will not have the right to complain because he cannot force the selectors to pick him.

Now since that is simply hypothetical and it will not happen, so Amir should be judged on performance and while he has been good in LOIs, he has been poor in Tests and has had no impact whatsoever. I don't do the 'he has been unlucky' bla bla nonsense, because he has clearly not been bowling well and he if continues to flop in Tests, his automatic selection should be reviewed.

The person in my avatar has been punished and sent to jail. There is little irony here, as unlike you I never say that even though I admit person A is corrupt as long as he does well it doesn't matter.

The fact the guy got a job via dishonest means and spends his days defending our PM pretty shows his class.

 

[samiakh]

What is he babbling about, the level of incoherence is staggering for an Oxford graduate.

This is unfortunately the problem with Pakistanis. On the one hand we sit and say that everything that is wrong with Pak cricket is a microcosm of Pak society on the other we say separate politics and sports! Why do you think there is corruption in Pak cricket! It's because there is corruption in all forms of society in Pak. The cricketers will get punished because they don't have power but the politicians will get away with it like they always do. Imran has an idiotical way of expressing that but his logic is absolutely correct.

 

[Mamoon]

The person in my avatar has been punished and sent to jail. There is little irony here, as unlike you I never say that even though I admit person A is corrupt as long as he does well it doesn't matter.

The fact the guy got a job via dishonest means and spends his days defending our PM pretty shows his class.

It might show his class (or lack of), but we are not here to judge him as a person. I am only concerned with his administrative duties and I think he has been much better than most of the previous PCB honchos.

 

[Mamoon]

This is unfortunately the problem with Pakistanis. On the one hand we sit and say that everything that is wrong with Pak cricket is a microcosm of Pak society on the other we say separate politics and sports! Why do you think there is corruption in Pak cricket! It's because there is corruption in all forms of society in Pak. The cricketers will get punished because they don't have power but the politicians will get away with it like they always do. Imran has an idiotical way of expressing that but his logic is absolutely correct.

The problem with Pakistanis is that they believe in saviours. These days, that saviour is Imran Khan and if Imran Khan becomes the PM, there will no longer be corruption and people getting favours because of contacts and influence.

These things are unfortunately deeply embedded in our culture and they won't go away if a new federal govt. and PM is in power. This culture will not change, at least not for the next 500 years. The top-level corruption might be reduced, but the bottom-level corruption and privileges will stay, and we have seen that already in PTI's government.

Imran's logic is wrong because he is barking up the wrong tree. He is assuming that the PCB will sweep this scandal under the carpet but that is exactly what they are not doing, they have been very proactive.

Unfortunately there is no cure for Sethiphobia, which is what he suffers from.

 

[Saj]

Well one day Irfan is guilty, next day he is innocent, day after he is still under investigation.

Chaos and it will raise suspicions, especially when the Chairman PCB and Chairman PSL keep contradicting each other.

 

[zn426]

Sports should never be mixed with politics. This was a very desperate tweet, where he forcefully tried to invent a correlation between this match-fixing fiasco and the Panama Leaks, even though the PCB have been very active in handling the situation and are by no means are 'pushing it under the carpet'.

His supporters are even worse. I have been told that yesterday during the Zalmi match, PTI supporters with 'Go Nawaz Go' slogans and PTI flags were escorted out of the stadium by security. PSL is no place for political agendas.

I disagree. Sports can be a sounding board for justice, politics, or whatever people want it to be about. So much media attention is placed on sports around the world, for people who want to make a stand, it's a good way to do it. As long as it's not violent I couldn't care less.

 

[Speedster777]

Sethi is a small fish. Imran has bigger fish to fry (Nawaz Sharif).

As they say "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep". Sethi is a classic example of a sheep and a darbari.


Why is it that a journalist who has no administrative experience is made the caretaker PM of Punjab by Nawaz out of the blue and then after he successfully rigged the elections he is rewarded by given the position of chairman PCB.


Sethi is a small person who will get sold to the highest bidder quite easily. This is why it is ironical when he talks about "weeding corruption". It is like Nawaz Sharif advocating an end to money laundering.

As much as we dislike Sarfraz Nawaz I very much agree with him on Sethi. Sethi is a henchman of Jua mafia. Few months back Sharjeel complained he was receiving threats but PCB never took any concrete action.

 

[Mamoon]

You can judge Imran Khan for his divorces (hence your entire reason for hating him as per your own words and your parents' experience) but God fobid we judge someone else. If a shady character ran a business he should be judged, as simple as. You cannot expect a classless person to run something honestly.

I judge him on his politics which I don't agree with. His personal life was brought up by people who were hailing him for his integrity and how he left Jemima for Pakistan and how he is a moral champion etc. etc., and that is what I disputed.

No doubt he is a great philanthropist, but we all know that he lied about not having a daughter outside marriage. Yes that is his personal matter, but if you are going to sing praises of someone's character, it is normal that someone will bring it up.

Similarly, nothing wrong with getting divorced, but if it happens twice, there is more than enough evidence that you have trouble forming relationships. That is not surprising because Imran doesn't seem to be the type of person who can comprise, and relationships don't work without compromise.

He is an authoritarian who has a very difficult time digesting criticism and coping with people who do not share his views. Anyhow, this is quite off-topic. The point that I'm trying to make is that there is no proof of Sethi's shadiness, and he cannot be compared to Amir who has a criminal past and has spent time in jail. As I said, compared to Amir, Sethi is a saint.

 

[Pakpak]

I judge him on his politics which I don't agree with. His personal life was brought up by people who were hailing him for his integrity and how he left Jemima for Pakistan and how he is a moral champion etc. etc., and that is what I disputed.

No doubt he is a great philanthropist, but we all know that he lied about not having a daughter outside marriage. Yes that is his personal matter, but if you are going to sing praises of someone's character, it is normal that someone will bring it up.

Similarly, nothing wrong with getting divorced, but if it happens twice, there is more than enough evidence that you have trouble forming relationships. That is not surprising because Imran doesn't seem to be the type of person who can comprise, and relationships don't work without compromise.

He is an authoritarian who has a very difficult time digesting criticism and coping with people who do not share his views. Anyhow, this is quite off-topic. The point that I'm trying to make is that there is no proof of Sethi's shadiness, and he cannot be compared to Amir who has a criminal past and has spent time in jail. As I said, compared to Amir, Sethi is a saint.

Admins here on record have said the amount of money the PCB chiefs give jounralists for overseas tours, the amount of money being eaten by the PCB. Tens of millions in profit and our domestic players get a pittance.

Not shady at all, all that money is going to charities I suppose. As I said, you're the person who despite the mass corruption of Noon League said '' they still deserve a go'' and gave laughable examples of people who get top spots via political affiliations and you see no wrong with it if they're good, I suppose if corruption danced infront of you you'd still deny its existence.

 

[Haroon786]

A top official of the Pakistan Super League (PSL) has confirmed that Pakistani players Sharjeel Khan and Khalid Latif were sent home from the league only after the PCB’s Anti-Corruption Unit caught them red-handed, having made commitments to the spot-fixers.

Najam Sethi, who heads the PSL and is chairman of the PCB’s executive committee, said the ACU had collected enough material against the two but waited till the players played the first match to see whether they would fulfill the commitments they made to the bookies’ syndicate.

“We knew what commitments they had made. Islamabad United played Sharjeel but not Khalid. But when the match was held it was confirmed Sharjeel had done what he had committed to do to the bookmakers,” Sethi disclosed.

Sharjeel was out cheaply after facing a few balls. Sethi said the PCB had faced a difficult situation after the ACU had gathered enough material against the two players to charge sheet them. “We were not sure whether to make the announcement before the PSL began as we feared it could hit the event or after the match but we decided to wait and see what happened in the match and than we sent them back. We were worried how the whole thing could affect the PSL and its reputation but we took a decision which we felt was right,” Sethi said.

He also confirmed there were other players under investigation in the PSL but insisted matters relating to them were not as serious as that of Sharjeel and Khalid. “Let me assure you we have now taken a decision that we will show zero tolerance for corrupt players and there is no question of trying to protect anyone. If any other player is found involved after the investigations no leniency will be shown to him.”

Sethi also clarified that it was the PCB’s ACU, headed by retired colonel Azam, which had led the operation against Sharjeel, Khalid and other players. “Yes the ICC’s ACU was also aware of everything but credit goes to our ACU which followed up the whole issue thoroughly and came up with enough material and evidence to charge sheet the players and send them back home,” he added.

He said there was no question of the PCB acting in haste. The PSL chief also said that when the time was right he would make public more details of the operation and how it was carried out. “Our people are gathering more details which we will share when the time comes and the ICC ACU is also aware of the developments.”

http://www.sportal.co.in/cricket/sha...s-najam-sethi/
- See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...kmakers-quot-Najam-Sethi#sthash.tetO5RVp.dpuf

 

[Saj]

Admins here on record have said the amount of money the PCB chiefs give jounralists for overseas tours, the amount of money being eaten by the PCB.

And I stand by that.

Most of the journalists currently in UAE covering the PCB have had flights, hotels, food etc etc paid for by PCB and told to ensure they put a positive spin on everything. For their chamchagiri they get a drip feed of leaks of information from one particular senior PCB official.

 

[Abdullah719]

PSL scandal echoes in parliamentary panel meeting

ISLAMABAD: A parliamentary panel on Monday expressed concern over the failure of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to prevent cricketers from meeting bookies in Dubai where the Pakistan Super League (PSL) is in progress.

A few days ago, Islamabad United duo Sharjeel Khan and Khalild Latif were sent home from Dubai by the authorities after they confessed to their links to an international syndicate trying to corrupt the PSL.

The National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Inter-Provincial Coordination (IPC), during a meeting at the Pakistan Sports Complex, discussed the scandal that has jolted Pakistani cricket fans.

The meeting was presided over by chairman of the committee Abdul Qahar Khan Wadan. As per the agenda of the meeting, it was to finalise the Pakistan Sports Board’s (PSB) budget.

But at the outset of the meeting, Muttahida Qaumi Movement lawmaker Iqbal Mohammad Ali started speaking on the issue of match-fixing in the PSL and demanded strict disciplinary action against those involved in the scam.

He also called for resignation of all PCB officials, including PSL Chairman Najam Sethi. The lawmaker, who has been focussing on the PCB affairs, said PCB Chairman Shaharyar Khan was a weak administrator and it was Mr Sethi who was calling the shots at the board and the PSL.

Mr Ali urged Minister for IPC Riaz Pirzada to order an inquiry into the match-fixing scam which had become a source of defamation of the country in the world.

The minister said he had sought a report from the PCB and would take action in the light of the findings of the report.

He defended the appointment of the PCB chairman and said that the government had certainly appointed a right person to the post.

Rana Afzal said that the committee should wait for the report of an inquiry committee constituted by the PCB.

After getting a cold response from the minister and the committee, Mr Ali boycotted the meeting. Later talking to Dawn, he alleged that the committee members belonging to the ruling party, including the minister, did not want to take strict action against corrupt elements in the PCB. “It seems that many are involved in the match-fixing scam. Credit goes to the International Cricket Council (ICC) for exposing this racket,” he said.

He alleged that the PCB management had destroyed cricket of the country and Najam Sethi was trying to turn the PSL into a private company to ensure his future job.

“I have also written to the Federal Investigation Agency and the National Accountability Bureau, asking them to conduct inquiries into the scandal,” he said.

“If there is no corruption, why I am not being provided audit report of the last edition of the PSL,” Mr Ali added.

During the meeting, Mohammad Shafqat Hayat Khan called for including someone from the government side in the inquiry committee.

The meeting said that the reports of the inquiries ordered by the PCB and the ICC should be shared with the committee in its next meeting to enable it to take action on the matter.

The committee stressed the need for removing “corrupt elements’’ from the PCB to save reputation of the country.

Earlier, the panel scrutinised and approved budgetary proposals under the Public Sector Development Programme for projects of the Ministry of Inter-Provincial Coordination and its attached departments for 2017-18.

The PSB director general briefed the committee on the ongoing, newly approved and unapproved projects of the board.

During a discussion on the construction of Narowal Sports Complex, the committee voiced concern over delay in completion of the project.

The IPC minister informed the committee about the reasons for the delay and said that 70 per cent of the work had been completed and the remaining would be completed shortly.

The IPC secretary told the committee that the ministry had 13 ongoing projects with a total cost of Rs.2119.728 million.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1314709/psl-scandal-echoes-in-parliamentary-panel-meeting

 

[Rayyman]

Lol at IK roasting Sethi here.

 

[Monsee]

Something is def fishy here, Sethi the 25 puncture man is trying to cover up for someone or himself or both

 

[Saj]

Contradictions between the two elderly gentlemen continue.

One says something, the other has to reply. It's like a competition between them.

 

[StreetSmart]

Exactly. This guy is quite pathetic.

sure and beloved Nawaz sharif is saint

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Contradictions between the two elderly gentlemen continue.

One says something, the other has to reply. It's like a competition between them.

It's like a badly written sitcom.

 

[wasim-fan]

Some people would have been better off staying out of politics. This is what it does to you after a while.

Imran lost it few years back. But he could well be the PM some day.