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Imran Khan's mass appeal and popularity is influenced by his youthful good looks in his prime, legendary cricketing superstardom and philanthropic achievements along with his popular rhetoric among the masses i.e.
- I will not go to the IMF
- I will not give an NRO to the opposition, I will not compromise on corruption
- Absolutely Not to the US and the West, I will not bow down to Western Dictats
- I want to get closer to other non-arab muslim states like Turkey, Malaysia at the expense of the Arabs
- Solidarity with the Kashmiris
- Supporting the religious parties and elements of society
- Promise of establishing a social welfare Islamic state modelled on Medina i.e. Free Health Care, Free Housing, Free Shelter Homes for the poor, Universal one syllabus education in Pakistan
However Dr Moed Pirzada, Wajahat Saeed Khan have been frequent critics of IK's stubborn, idealistic politics which are not necessarily reflective of the ground realities he finds himself in. They feel that PTI and IK missed out on a golden opportunity in these elections and should have negotiated a power sharing agreement with the establishment and the PPP where they should have negotiated the release of their political prisoners and workers so that the party could slow and gradually recover.
They made many other points to support their arguments i.e.
- The Holy Prophet during his time always as a first option often negotiated and talked to his opponents even his staunch enemies and fighting, taking up arms was always the last resort, option.
- In most democracies in the world, all political parties have different interest, manifestos, idealogies and they abuse, insult, humiliate, point score the hell out of each other during election campaigns but once elections are over, all political players in the interest of the country sit down civilly and try to find common solutions, give and take in the larger interests of the country.
- No democracy is perfect, some are better than others, India probably has equivalent amounts of corruption as Pakistan, but they have kept the army out of politics and have allowed their democracy, institution to flourish, evolve with time. Similarly if certain parts of Pakistan i.e. Sindh loves the PPP, Bhutto's, Zardari then too bad, you have to talk civilly and negotiate with them and respect the fact that their mandate is just as genuine as yours.
On the other end of the spectrum, Asif Zardari gets a lot of praise for being a very smooth, calm, patient political player and someone Imran Khan should have understood how to do politics from
- Bilawal and Zardari used their connections with Hussain Haqqani, lobbying firms, Joe Biden, contributed to his 2020 election campain and influenced his anti IK sentiment and kickstarted the campaign to oust IK from office in 2021-2022.
- Zardari as President of Pakistan from 2008-2013 handsomely rewarded his Millitary Secretary Maj - General Amir and developed some close relationships with some other generals in the army. Lt-General Amir is now a Core Commander and Zardari was able to trap the DG ISI Nadeem Anjum in honey trap operation and got him on his payroll as well.
- Zardari was the root cause of the split between Chaudhry Shujaat and Perveiz Elahi.
- Zardari bought out the defecting PTI members in 2022 and gave the no-confidence motion against IK a big boost something IK and PTI were never able to recover from.
- NS wanted to have early immediate elections in May 2022 but Zardari did not agree, he knew the PDM govt would have to impose a strict IMF program on the people and this would badly damage PML N in Punjab and PPP would emerge much more favourably.
- Zardari knows that PML N is further screwed because they are being forced by the establishment to take over the reigns of the centre and they cannot do so without PPP's help therefore Zardari offered support to PML N in exchange for all the constitutional roles, he knows full well PML N is further screwed because they have to further enforce the strict tough conditions of the IMF program.
- Zardari by appointing himself as President is now going to further develop close links with the army, he is now in a perfect position to take his revenge i.e. Einth se Einth baja doon ga, to take his revenge on PML N and Nawaz Sharif for all that he did to him from 1997-99 and 2013 to 2017. Zardari has the power to appoint the governors of his own choosing as well.
- Zardari will use the presidency to further lobby and leverage his children Bilawal, Asifa with major international brokers so that they can carry on with Bhutto's legacy.
Based on the above, who is the more effective and successful politician who knows how to get things done?
- I will not go to the IMF
- I will not give an NRO to the opposition, I will not compromise on corruption
- Absolutely Not to the US and the West, I will not bow down to Western Dictats
- I want to get closer to other non-arab muslim states like Turkey, Malaysia at the expense of the Arabs
- Solidarity with the Kashmiris
- Supporting the religious parties and elements of society
- Promise of establishing a social welfare Islamic state modelled on Medina i.e. Free Health Care, Free Housing, Free Shelter Homes for the poor, Universal one syllabus education in Pakistan
However Dr Moed Pirzada, Wajahat Saeed Khan have been frequent critics of IK's stubborn, idealistic politics which are not necessarily reflective of the ground realities he finds himself in. They feel that PTI and IK missed out on a golden opportunity in these elections and should have negotiated a power sharing agreement with the establishment and the PPP where they should have negotiated the release of their political prisoners and workers so that the party could slow and gradually recover.
They made many other points to support their arguments i.e.
- The Holy Prophet during his time always as a first option often negotiated and talked to his opponents even his staunch enemies and fighting, taking up arms was always the last resort, option.
- In most democracies in the world, all political parties have different interest, manifestos, idealogies and they abuse, insult, humiliate, point score the hell out of each other during election campaigns but once elections are over, all political players in the interest of the country sit down civilly and try to find common solutions, give and take in the larger interests of the country.
- No democracy is perfect, some are better than others, India probably has equivalent amounts of corruption as Pakistan, but they have kept the army out of politics and have allowed their democracy, institution to flourish, evolve with time. Similarly if certain parts of Pakistan i.e. Sindh loves the PPP, Bhutto's, Zardari then too bad, you have to talk civilly and negotiate with them and respect the fact that their mandate is just as genuine as yours.
On the other end of the spectrum, Asif Zardari gets a lot of praise for being a very smooth, calm, patient political player and someone Imran Khan should have understood how to do politics from
- Bilawal and Zardari used their connections with Hussain Haqqani, lobbying firms, Joe Biden, contributed to his 2020 election campain and influenced his anti IK sentiment and kickstarted the campaign to oust IK from office in 2021-2022.
- Zardari as President of Pakistan from 2008-2013 handsomely rewarded his Millitary Secretary Maj - General Amir and developed some close relationships with some other generals in the army. Lt-General Amir is now a Core Commander and Zardari was able to trap the DG ISI Nadeem Anjum in honey trap operation and got him on his payroll as well.
- Zardari was the root cause of the split between Chaudhry Shujaat and Perveiz Elahi.
- Zardari bought out the defecting PTI members in 2022 and gave the no-confidence motion against IK a big boost something IK and PTI were never able to recover from.
- NS wanted to have early immediate elections in May 2022 but Zardari did not agree, he knew the PDM govt would have to impose a strict IMF program on the people and this would badly damage PML N in Punjab and PPP would emerge much more favourably.
- Zardari knows that PML N is further screwed because they are being forced by the establishment to take over the reigns of the centre and they cannot do so without PPP's help therefore Zardari offered support to PML N in exchange for all the constitutional roles, he knows full well PML N is further screwed because they have to further enforce the strict tough conditions of the IMF program.
- Zardari by appointing himself as President is now going to further develop close links with the army, he is now in a perfect position to take his revenge i.e. Einth se Einth baja doon ga, to take his revenge on PML N and Nawaz Sharif for all that he did to him from 1997-99 and 2013 to 2017. Zardari has the power to appoint the governors of his own choosing as well.
- Zardari will use the presidency to further lobby and leverage his children Bilawal, Asifa with major international brokers so that they can carry on with Bhutto's legacy.
Based on the above, who is the more effective and successful politician who knows how to get things done?
