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In what order would you rank Clive Lloyd, Zaheer Abbas and David Gower?

Harsh Thakor

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Many batsmen who averaged under 50 on their day were as good if not better than a Lara,Tendulkar or Viv Richards.Clive Lloyd,Zaheer Abbas and David Gower at their best were batting superstars.Few batsmen ever posessed the power of Clive Lloyd resembling a Hercules or the willowy grace of Gower and Abbas who resembled a Michelangelo sculpting a piece.Clive Lloyd held the bat like a club and could make the impact of a hurricane.Gower and Zaheer's strokes reminded you of the touches of a painter's brush.

Zaheer was the king on slow batting tracks and against spin bowling.Arguably he was the best batsmen of his era on flat tracks and spin.Lloyd was the ultimate man for a crisis to revive a side from a precarious position.In terms of natural talent Gower was simply supreme among the 3 having the best reflexes to tackle express pace even if Lloyd had more determination.

Clive Lloyd proved his greatness against genuine pace when topping the averages on the 1975-76 series in Australia at 46.7 facing Lillee and Thomson at their quickest.Zaheer never scored a century versus s West Indies and was not at his best against hostile pace.Still he averaged over 57 in Australia in 1976-77 including a century and 3 fifties.Gower and Lloyd were prolific on the bouncy Australian tracks for atleast 3 tours with Clive being an epitome of consistency.

Zaheer scored 2 big double centuries in England unlike Lloyd and had 4 double centuries in his career as compared to Lloyd's one and Gower's 2.Never did Gower or Lloyd equal Zaheer's best batting performances in a single test series like when averaging 195 v India at home in 1978-79 and 130 v India at home in 1982-83.

Abbas by some distance overshadowed Lloyd and Gower in 1st class cricket scoring 108 centuries,34,843 runs at 51.54 and scoring a double century and a century in a single game on 4 occasions.Arguable in 1979 Zaheer was the closest challenger to the supremacy of Viv and Barry Richards,Sunil Gavaskar or Greg Chappell.

In ODI'S I rank Zaheer as the best just a shade behind Viv Richards.Few batsmen could manipulate or improvise as effectively as Zaheer who could pierce the most impregnable gaps.His average of 47.62 in that form of cricket speaks for itself.Zaheer's knocks include a classic 93 v West Indies in the 1979 world cup semi-final and a 108 v Australia in 1981-82.Still I must mention LLoyd's 102 in the 1975 world cup final which came close to being the best cricketing knock in any form of cricket.

The forte of Clive was his outstanding consistency as a captain often even outscoring compatriot Viv like in 1981 v England at home, in Australia in 1981-82 and in India in 1983-84.In a crisis he was close to the best batsmen in the world.As a skipper he was simply in a different class from Zaheer and Gower leading a renaissance in West Indies cricket to reach a level of supremacy and standard never attained before by a team in the history of the game.He knit or bounded talented bunch of individulas to emerge into a cricketing umpire like nonone else.Zaheer hardly met with any success as a skipper while Gower led England to a succesful Ashes win at home in 1985 and a test series win in India in 1984-85 which no team outside the subcontinent later achieved till South Africa in 2000.

In 1979 Garfield Sobers ranked Zaheer Abas at 6th place and Clive Loyd at 7th amongst the best contemporary batsmen of the world.


In the final analysis if it came to only test cricket then my ranking would be Gower,Lloyd and then Zaheer.In O.D.I.cricket my placing would be Zaheer,Gower and then Lloyd.In 1st class cricket my rating would be Zaheer,LLoyd and then Gower.Combining all forms of cricket my verdict would be Zaheer Abbas,David Gower and then Clive Lloyd.Adding factor of captaincy my unanimous verdict would be Clive Lloyd at the top of the 3 as a cricketer overall.
 
All 3 of them were brilliant. Out of them, Gower was the most artistic, Abbas was the best timer of the ball, and Lloyd was the most devastating.
 
Considered Lloyd's contribution as skipper?Considered Abbas's staggering First class and ODI figures?Or only test batting?

I only considered test batting as my criteria. Don't really think the other aspects count for much. I'd have David Gower in my team every time ahead of the other two.
 
Lloyd
Gower
Abbas.

Abbas test record let’s him down. If it was just ODI then he would top the list. Lloyd captaincy is the main factor of me putting him top.
 
I onlyu think in tests.

Lloyd was just dominant against pace and spin.

Gower - not so great against WI but excellent everyone else and against spin. Also extremely good to watch - mimumum of effort, that swivelling pull on his ankles.

Zaheer - who Imran reckoned was temperamentally suspect under pressure.
 
I onlyu think in tests.

Lloyd was just dominant against pace and spin.

Gower - not so great against WI but excellent everyone else and against spin. Also extremely good to watch - mimumum of effort, that swivelling pull on his ankles.

Zaheer - who Imran reckoned was temperamentally suspect under pressure.

Who was the best against spin?Also was Lloyd the best against genuine pace?Remember Gowers unbeaten 254 at Kingston v West Indies and big scores in Australia.
 
ODI+Tests? please reply .Zaheer had staggering figures in ODI'S and first class games.

Only considered tests. If we consider overall as a package across all formats,

Lloyd(due to captaincy)
Abbas
Gower

Gower was fantastic but he underachieved. An average of 44 for a middle order batsmen isn't enough really.
 
Who was the best against spin?Also was Lloyd the best against genuine pace?Remember Gowers unbeaten 254 at Kingston v West Indies and big scores in Australia.

It was 154 not 254.

All three played spin really well IIRC.
 
Only considered tests. If we consider overall as a package across all formats,

Lloyd(due to captaincy)
Abbas
Gower

Gower was fantastic but he underachieved. An average of 44 for a middle order batsmen isn't enough really.

It was very good for an Englishman in those days where his contemporaries averaged mid- to upper thirties. English wickets weren’t flat then like they are now, and he faced stronger fast bowling overall than Cook and Root.

People considered him careless when he got out because he made everything look so easy.

Still, eighteen test hundreds were not enough return on his lavish ability. He should have had 20+ like Richards and Border whom I think just wanted more runs more often.
 
Clive Lloyd’s greatness only became obvious in the last six months of his career.

He’d lived in the shadow of first Sobers, then Richards.

But at the age of 40 he topped the averages on tours of first India, then Australia.

And consequently reached Number 1 in the Test Rankings just as he retired.

I’d put Gower second. Zaheer was just the ultimate Flat Track Bully and should have been dropped five years earlier than he was.
 
Clive Lloyd’s greatness only became obvious in the last six months of his career.

He’d lived in the shadow of first Sobers, then Richards.

But at the age of 40 he topped the averages on tours of first India, then Australia.

And consequently reached Number 1 in the Test Rankings just as he retired.

I’d put Gower second. Zaheer was just the ultimate Flat Track Bully and should have been dropped five years earlier than he was.

Did not Zaheer have a phenomenal ODI and 1st class record? I feel Gower was the most talented and a great player of genuine pace.3 successful Australain tours and an unbeaten 150 at Kingston in 1981
 
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