Inconsistent swing of Rahat Ali or discipline of Imran Khan?

[New Yorker]

Not talking of any format as it's up to the players to achieve what they can. But they are similar to the fact that they could take wickets but will keep bowling rubbish deliveries more than often and can be taken to cleaners.

Sure, but in ODIs the comparison flatter Rahat much too much. He is virtually useless in the format, rarely managing more than 1 wicket, whereas Agarkar was fastest ever to 50 wickets.

 

[badsha001]

IK Jr is Pakistan's version of Peter Siddle. He is a must have.

 

[Im Suds]

What do you want for next match?

Rahat took out England's best and arguably most dangerous batsmen in the second inns paving the way for our victory. And you think it would be fair to drop him for this?

 

[Slog]

Rahat took out England's best and arguably most dangerous batsmen in the second inns paving the way for our victory. And you think it would be fair to drop him for this?

True

But he also gave a lot of easy runs and released pressure. It didn't hurt us this match (but made it a nervy last innings)

Both Wahab and Rahat give easy runs and are spray guns. We cannot afford 2 bowlers who give 4+ runs an over as a standard. Wahab offers us reverse swing which no one else does as well

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

It's amazing how people come up with their wishful lineup's and dropping suggestions.

Seriously haven't you seen enough of Misbah yet? He never changes winning combination.

Nobody would be dropped (unless it's a spinning track or someone gets injured).

This.

Even though I do not agree with Misbah I know he will not change anything.

I dont think Misbah has ever changed a winning team.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]

go to 4:00:31 in the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz4YEJuM5Uc
You're welcome

That is seam, not swing.

Swing happens in the air; seam happens off the pitch.

Watch that wicket again, the seam hits the pitch on the right angle and the ball deviates away from the batsman. Nothing happens in the air.

Imran cannot swing the new ball, but he can reverse the ball.

He is very much in the mould of Umar Gul. Can seam the ball but cannot get conventional swing.

However, Gul was much quicker in his peak.

 

[Mamoon]

It will be very un-Misbah like to change the bowling unit that just won a Test.

Don't see any changes happening unless Mickey has other ideas and is able to impose them.

 

[TeymurBlake]

The team for the 2nd Test will be the same squad. Whatever the happens in that test will determine if are needed changes to our third test squad.

 

[aloo paratha]

That is seam, not swing.

Swing happens in the air; seam happens off the pitch.

Watch that wicket again, the seam hits the pitch on the right angle and the ball deviates away from the batsman. Nothing happens in the air.

Imran cannot swing the new ball, but he can reverse the ball.

He is very much in the mould of Umar Gul. Can seam the ball but cannot get conventional swing.

However, Gul was much quicker in his peak.

Go to 4:05:46 and look at the hawkeye. That is swing. It did seam but it also swung.

I've seen Imran swing it in one of the T20 tournaments too. I'm not just making blind claims, it was an example

Imran isn't even that slow. He bowls 135 kph. Now you're gonna say that's slow, but pace isn't everything. Broad bowls the same pace and he's in the top 5 test bowlers. Asif bowled 125 and he was one of the best bowlers.

Don't try to teach me.

 

[Im Suds]

Rahat is more useful than Wahab. He was the actual gamechanger by taking Cook and Root's wicket. Lets not manipulate the narrative, please.

Yep let's not deny the narrative either.
All our bowlers bowled well in the 2nd inns and kept England consistently under pressure, which ultimately led to them folding.
Wahab s spell was excellent - did you even see it?

 

[Im Suds]

True

But he also gave a lot of easy runs and released pressure. It didn't hurt us this match (but made it a nervy last innings)

Both Wahab and Rahat give easy runs and are spray guns. We cannot afford 2 bowlers who give 4+ runs an over as a standard. Wahab offers us reverse swing which no one else does as well

All our bowlers were a bit loose in the first inns- the key is their all capable of bowling wicket taking deliveries and so it came to pass.
I think our left trio will be ready for old Trafford - tighter but with the same aggression

 

[LowKiiSavage]

Yep let's not deny the narrative either.
All our bowlers bowled well in the 2nd inns and kept England consistently under pressure, which ultimately led to them folding.
Wahab s spell was excellent - did you even see it?

It was good. But i am sure you cannot be so fickle that you would be willing to forgo all the awfulness of the rest of the match for one spell. However, everyone is entitled to his own opinion. I hope you wont hold it against me.

 

[Slog]

the times upon us

Id include Wayward Wahab in this question aswell now. screw his reverse swing

 

[#GreenRoars]

Imran Khan, over Wahab/Rahat

 

[Slog]

who to pick tomorrow!?!

 

[yasir]

who to pick tomorrow!?!

Sohail, Wahab, Amir, Yasir. Sohail because of being righty, swing, plus can bat. Others are automatic for now. There is still question mark on Sohail fitness, fitness of others is not over the moon either.

Are it could be same as side match.

 

[Moiza]

Sohail, Wahab, Amir, Yasir. Sohail because of being righty, swing, plus can bat. Others are automatic for now. There is still question mark on Sohail fitness, fitness of others is not over the moon either.

Are it could be same as side match.

Same 3 but instead of Wahab I'd play rahat

 

[Abdullah]

its a bloody tough choice.
sohail can do damage to right handers, bat, and create rough for yasir to bowl to all the lefties
rahat bowls wicket balls amongst the filth but should be able to hold a better line with new ball against top 3 lefties. swings it well if conditions suit
imran - will keep it tightest for the longest and can bowl long spells, which is good in a 4 man attack
wahab- only on who can bowl with fire

bloody tough choice cos pak needs all of the disciplines each one brings here

 

[Hamza_]

It's a pink ball test. So Rahat will be my pick

 

[Amjid Javed]

Rahat is a liability with ball in hand and Imran probably wont have enough pace to trouble Aussie batsmen so pretty poor bowling options available.

 

[Speedster777]

Doesn't really matter they're all the same level nothing extraordinary be it Wahab, Rahat, Imran or Sohail. They're all only good as third and fourth seamers.

 

[Hasan123]

Rahat

 

[Markhor]

Rahat is too undisciplined with his line and length - we can't afford to give the likes of Warner the lightning starts we gave England. He can take the game away from you in a session.

Though I see the argument for having three left-arm seamers against all those Australian left handers.

 

[New Yorker]

One gets us wickets but at the cost of lot of runs and release of pressure at time

The other one won't roll over anyone but will be a safe holding option and will also bring variety to the attack

Rahat doesn't roll over anyone either. Constitutionally incapable of taking 5fers. Compare SR for both bowlers in internationals and domestics.

 

[o_ahsan99]

I think all the lefties in the Australian top order might help Rahat bowl to a better line. Sohail anyways bowls better to right handers and there aren't too many right handers in Australia's top seven. So it seems logical that Rahat should play over Sohail. The only concern is that with three lefties (Amir, Wahab and Rahat) plus Starc from Australia, there will be a lot of rough outside the right handers off stump that Nathan Lyon can exploit. On the other hand, Australia only have one left hander in their top seven and Pakistan doesn't have any off spinner even to pitch outside the leg stump and take advantage of the rough.

 

[godzilla]

as much as i think wahab is the weakest of all the bowlers we have, the only place he can sometimes bowl is australia, so i guess it has to be him, mohammed - lets give him some more excuses - amir, yasir (since someone will lose their head if they ever leave him out again) and then one of sohail, imran and rahat.

i would have either sohail or imran, dont car which to be honest. already have two left handers and dont like the inconsistency of rahat.

i bet they will pick sohail for his better batting of the three.