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India becoming a top team in world due to improvement in cricket structure: Imran Khan

Having a poor domestic setup is Pakistan's own fault. Not India or Australia's. Some posters like [MENTION=142176]Pakhs[/MENTION] make it appear as some sort of achievement to do decently well (rank 6-7) with a poor domestic setup. :))
 
Having a poor domestic setup is Pakistan's own fault. Not India or Australia's. Some posters like [MENTION=142176]Pakhs[/MENTION] make it appear as some sort of achievement to do decently well (rank 6-7) with a poor domestic setup. :))

Its not an achievement I was making a point that if you have 1.3 billion population with craze to one sport only which has only 8 members if you are not number 1 then only explanation would be you are not number 1 because you simply dont want to. Pakistan who is 6 times smaller has been number 1 without having a proper domestic system whats India's excuse?
 
Pakistan has stayed as rank 1 in tests, the purest form of cricket, for only 3 weeks in their entire history. India has stayed for at least more than 6 years. Rest, I'm sure you can do the math.

How many times Pakistan have been ranked higher than India? who has a better record in the format? I am sure you can do the maths too. Country with a population of 1.3 billion has massively under achieved in the only sport they are great at.. again it should be a given that they are number 1 in this one game atleast but its not yet.
 
How many times Pakistan have been ranked higher than India? who has a better record in the format? I am sure you can do the maths too. Country with a population of 1.3 billion has massively under achieved in the only sport they are great at.. again it should be a given that they are number 1 in this one game atleast but its not yet.

This.
 
Its not an achievement I was making a point that if you have 1.3 billion population with craze to one sport only which has only 8 members if you are not number 1 then only explanation would be you are not number 1 because you simply dont want to. Pakistan who is 6 times smaller has been number 1 without having a proper domestic system whats India's excuse?

Sums up the problem. You are looking for excuses, I am not. Yes, your domestic system may be a mess, but that's not a supporting argument but an excuse for your 6th or 7th rank.
 
You want excuses? Well, India is a developing nation with a huge population barely managing to get food on table. And quite frankly with an economy improving we have seen India do well at the sport. Look at the results in this decade. Longest reign as no. 1.
 
Improvement in domestic cricket and also playing continously at home for so many years. You can't expect your domestic heroes who have scored runs on those wickets to play their home series abroad and improve. If Pakistan continues to play at their real home, they too will improve their ranking and confidence. Lots of fans are taking this for granted. Imagine Indian players playing their home series abroad for more than 10 years. Lots of careers will end starting from Rohit Sharma. :inti
 
You want excuses? Well, India is a developing nation with a huge population barely managing to get food on table. And quite frankly with an economy improving we have seen India do well at the sport. Look at the results in this decade. Longest reign as no. 1.

I hope we start to do well in other sports and olympics too because that is where all our bravado, economy B$ comes to an end. We are only good in one sport which is not even played by many countries. Countries like Sri Lanka, South Africa, West Indies still haven't even recovered after their legends retired. There are only half a dozen decent cricket teams in cricket. We have under achieved. We should have won few trophies as well in the last decade. :inti
 
I hope we start to do well in other sports and olympics too because that is where all our bravado, economy B$ comes to an end. We are only good in one sport which is not even played by many countries. Countries like Sri Lanka, South Africa, West Indies still haven't even recovered after their legends retired. There are only half a dozen decent cricket teams in cricket. We have under achieved. We should have won few trophies as well in the last decade. :inti

We are good in Badminton, weightlifting, wrestling to name a few. We have a few olympic medals to show for it as well.
We should have done much better - that I don't disagree but "good in just one sport" is not correct.
 
We are good in Badminton, weightlifting, wrestling to name a few. We have a few olympic medals to show for it as well.
We should have done much better - that I don't disagree but "good in just one sport" is not correct.

How many medals did we win in these sports? I am talking about Olympics here. China has similar population. How many medals did they win last time? What are we doing in the most popular sport in the world? :inti
 
How many medals did we win in these sports? I am talking about Olympics here. China has similar population. How many medals did they win last time? What are we doing in the most popular sport in the world? :inti

We have won a few. I am also talking about Olympics only. 2016 wasn't as prolific but we won 1 silver in Badminton and 1 bronze in wrestling. In 2012, we won couple in wrestling and a few in other sports as well such as badminton, shooting etc.
Football standards are much higher - that will take some time to catch up. A few decades back we were not even thinking about it since we had more pressing issues to address.
 
I don't understand how a 6 team system is better than 16 team system in unearthing players. More teams will mean more players get chances thereby building a bigger pool of players.

It’s a 12 team system.
 
It will increase the quality of cricket and highlight the top performers who have a higher ability because they are playing against better quality players.

I am guessing they will expand from the 12 teams once the quality of cricket has been achieved. Scale up properly this time rather than ghost teams skimming funds off the PCB.

Definitely. I think they will increase it to an 8+8 system within 5 years.
 
Pakistan has stayed as rank 1 in tests, the purest form of cricket, for only 3 weeks in their entire history. India has stayed for at least more than 6 years. Rest, I'm sure you can do the math.

What are you measuring? Why is number 1 a measure of talent but not number 2? Why not number 3?

Just calm down and relax and realize that Imran Khan is just making the kinds of statements that any political leader needs to make. You have to inject this kind of positivity and hope and self-belief, especially these days when there is this huge attitude of negativity and pessimism in desi people.

Saying things like “we have talent” is necessary. Otherwise saying something like “we don’t have the talent but I promise you we will get there” is suicide for a politician as that is uninspiring drivel.
 
How many medals did we win in these sports? I am talking about Olympics here. China has similar population. How many medals did they win last time? What are we doing in the most popular sport in the world? :inti

You really need to have some knowledge of the world around before making such stupid comments.
Look at this. And this is a a well known fact since 2000's.
The CCP is a horrible regime, and to prove themselves the best in the world they take 4 year old kids and put them through a military training.
Do you want something like this for our kids in India ???
The Olympic Gymnasts who won them medals in 2008 Beijing Olympic..some of them were forcefully made to train harder and longer,
without their wishes.
I would rather have no medals at all.

https://www.itv.com/news/2016-08-03...ere-the-next-generation-of-olympians-are-made
 
What are you measuring? Why is number 1 a measure of talent but not number 2? Why not number 3?

Just calm down and relax and realize that Imran Khan is just making the kinds of statements that any political leader needs to make. You have to inject this kind of positivity and hope and self-belief, especially these days when there is this huge attitude of negativity and pessimism in desi people.

Saying things like “we have talent” is necessary. Otherwise saying something like “we don’t have the talent but I promise you we will get there” is suicide for a politician as that is uninspiring drivel.

My post was in reply to one poster and his excuses not to what IK said.
 
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Lol, and what has Pakistan done with 1/6th of India's population? How many medals does Pakistan have?

Let me guess, now you would come back with the excuse that Pakistan has a poor domestic infra. You are running in circles at this point.

To be quite honest, before IPL there was roughly the same amount of “talent per capita” in both India and Pakistan (refer to my length post earlier about how talent essentially means population size and cross-evaluating that against the system that develops the talent per capita).

Back then, India had 7 times as much talent as Pakistan but largely due to population size, otherwise our systems were quite similar. India had a much better batting setup (school cricket and club cricket) and we had a lot more kids trying to be fast bowlers.

Even in the 90s, India actually had some very good batsmen, you just didn’t have a culture for fast bowling. Plus half the team including the captain was fixing matches.

00s onwards India has begun playing based on potential. Your system was **** compared to Australia and England but still decent enough, and the 1 billion population allowed India to compete very well. Once money came in and the structure began to develop, India has taken off in the 2010s and never looked back.

I guess what he’s trying to say is that, India has underachieved for a large portion of its history which is very, very true.

Pakistan, despite a lack of structure, has actually overachieved for a large portion of history. We have just as many malnourished kids as you guys do per capita, but you have a population 7 times the size of ours and yet Pakistan has been Squash champions for 3 decades, Hockey champions for two decades (and even now we have the record for most World Cups) and had one of the best cricket teams in the world in the 80s and 90s. In other industries, the music scene in Pakistan was quite like no other in Asia, even despite the lack of opportunities we give to artists and performers. That’s what these older cricketers refer to as “jazba” and “junoon”. It is truly remarkable what we were able to do.

I take no shame in admitting that Pakistan, without any real systems in place, had absolutely no business overachieving that much for two decades. Our absurdly horrible performances across all sports and industries in the 00s and 10s was simply a regression to the mean — law of averages, kickstarted by terrorism, crime, and corruption in our government, which sent Pakistan into a shell.

Now, we perform as per the system, no more and no less. We truly deserve the sad state of affairs our cricket, hockey teams are currently in, simply because we we are getting back exactly how much we are investing into the infrastructure.

I hope this puts things into a little better context. I know Indians look at these statements of “jazba and junoon” and think it’s nonsense, but the truth is, it represents a proper fighting spirit and character that has propelled this nation to punch above its weight for large portions of its history. It’s for this reason that I’m a proud Pakistani, and continue to be proud when someone like Mohammad Waseem (the boxer) emerges out of total obscurity from Balochistan, where we don’t invest jack, to get coached by Jeff Mayweather and become the world flyweight number 1. We barely have any proper boxing competitions in Pakistan but this kid had a genuine passion and somehow made his way through.

There are many stories like this and if you read into it a bit more you would be very surprised. Hai jazba junoon tou himmat na haar — this is almost a second national anthem for Pakistan after the qoumi taraana. I am a proud patriot because I see how passionate a people we are when we set our mind to doing something.

Alhamdulillah, we’ve wiped out terrorism and brought cricket back to our blessed country. We’ve finally found a political leader who doesn’t want to steal money and run away abroad. We’ve begun rebuilding our industries and economy, and people have begun visiting the beautiful northern reaches of Pakistan as tourists and appreciating the natural beauty that this land has.

We have begun generating the money to invest into our cricket structure. We have a competent team at the helm of our cricket board. We’ve begun reorganizing domestic cricket. We’ve begun investing into other sports. The music industry is starting to boom again. Our film industry is professionalizing, and young indie artists are emerging across all walks of life from painters, to film makers, to rappers.

We are a passionate people, and we yearn for the era that we used to overachieve. I am a rational person, and I know that it will not be that easy. Professionalism is necessary. We need the right structure and the opportunities.

But that is the talent present in Pakistan. It’s an attitude of fighters, of overcoming all hurdles to make it to the big stage, of representing your country, of passion, of love, and of peace. I hope this makes sense.
 
To be quite honest, before IPL there was roughly the same amount of “talent per capita” in both India and Pakistan (refer to my length post earlier about how talent essentially means population size and cross-evaluating that against the system that develops the talent per capita).

Back then, India had 7 times as much talent as Pakistan but largely due to population size, otherwise our systems were quite similar. India had a much better batting setup (school cricket and club cricket) and we had a lot more kids trying to be fast bowlers.

Even in the 90s, India actually had some very good batsmen, you just didn’t have a culture for fast bowling. Plus half the team including the captain was fixing matches.

00s onwards India has begun playing based on potential. Your system was **** compared to Australia and England but still decent enough, and the 1 billion population allowed India to compete very well. Once money came in and the structure began to develop, India has taken off in the 2010s and never looked back.

I guess what he’s trying to say is that, India has underachieved for a large portion of its history which is very, very true.

Pakistan, despite a lack of structure, has actually overachieved for a large portion of history. We have just as many malnourished kids as you guys do per capita, but you have a population 7 times the size of ours and yet Pakistan has been Squash champions for 3 decades, Hockey champions for two decades (and even now we have the record for most World Cups) and had one of the best cricket teams in the world in the 80s and 90s. In other industries, the music scene in Pakistan was quite like no other in Asia, even despite the lack of opportunities we give to artists and performers. That’s what these older cricketers refer to as “jazba” and “junoon”. It is truly remarkable what we were able to do.

I take no shame in admitting that Pakistan, without any real systems in place, had absolutely no business overachieving that much for two decades. Our absurdly horrible performances across all sports and industries in the 00s and 10s was simply a regression to the mean — law of averages, kickstarted by terrorism, crime, and corruption in our government, which sent Pakistan into a shell.

Now, we perform as per the system, no more and no less. We truly deserve the sad state of affairs our cricket, hockey teams are currently in, simply because we we are getting back exactly how much we are investing into the infrastructure.

I hope this puts things into a little better context. I know Indians look at these statements of “jazba and junoon” and think it’s nonsense, but the truth is, it represents a proper fighting spirit and character that has propelled this nation to punch above its weight for large portions of its history. It’s for this reason that I’m a proud Pakistani, and continue to be proud when someone like Mohammad Waseem (the boxer) emerges out of total obscurity from Balochistan, where we don’t invest jack, to get coached by Jeff Mayweather and become the world flyweight number 1. We barely have any proper boxing competitions in Pakistan but this kid had a genuine passion and somehow made his way through.

There are many stories like this and if you read into it a bit more you would be very surprised. Hai jazba junoon tou himmat na haar — this is almost a second national anthem for Pakistan after the qoumi taraana. I am a proud patriot because I see how passionate a people we are when we set our mind to doing something.

Alhamdulillah, we’ve wiped out terrorism and brought cricket back to our blessed country. We’ve finally found a political leader who doesn’t want to steal money and run away abroad. We’ve begun rebuilding our industries and economy, and people have begun visiting the beautiful northern reaches of Pakistan as tourists and appreciating the natural beauty that this land has.

We have begun generating the money to invest into our cricket structure. We have a competent team at the helm of our cricket board. We’ve begun reorganizing domestic cricket. We’ve begun investing into other sports. The music industry is starting to boom again. Our film industry is professionalizing, and young indie artists are emerging across all walks of life from painters, to film makers, to rappers.

We are a passionate people, and we yearn for the era that we used to overachieve. I am a rational person, and I know that it will not be that easy. Professionalism is necessary. We need the right structure and the opportunities.

But that is the talent present in Pakistan. It’s an attitude of fighters, of overcoming all hurdles to make it to the big stage, of representing your country, of passion, of love, and of peace. I hope this makes sense.

The point is with all this jazbaa and janoon is not specific to Pakistan.

We have numerous such examples in various fields.
Look up the story of Milkha Singh, Mary Kom, PT Usha. In terms of Business.. Dhirubhai Ambani(father of Mukesh and Anil and founder of Reliance) used to sell paper utensils on a side of the road.
Closer home to cricket.. Jaiswal, Pant, Shami, Navdeep Saini, Natarajan.

Pant used to travel 3 AM in the morning from an Uttrakhand Village to reach Delhi stadium at 8 AM with his kit, go back in the night and start again for close to 2 years.

Bumrah's is a son of a single mother who could not buy sport shoes for her. Prithvi Shaw comes from a poor background as well.

Kapil Dev produced the original Cornered Tiger moment in 1983.. KOing the Champion West Indies side who used to pummel the richest countries of England and West Indies at that moment.

So all this talk amuses us in India, because things are not easier even this side of the border as well.

But we know it is not jazbaa, janoon etc which get's us results.. but a proper method and system along with lots and lots of tears and hard work.

Pakistan is not the only special country in the world where people are rising above such challenges..
African countries have athletes... like runners from Ethiopia without any facilities and training winning marathons.

Have you ever heard Kapil Dev and Sachin came out and say that we are the most talented nation and we have all the jazbaa and janoon.. So we will win.
 
To be quite honest, before IPL there was roughly the same amount of “talent per capita” in both India and Pakistan (refer to my length post earlier about how talent essentially means population size and cross-evaluating that against the system that develops the talent per capita).

Back then, India had 7 times as much talent as Pakistan but largely due to population size, otherwise our systems were quite similar. India had a much better batting setup (school cricket and club cricket) and we had a lot more kids trying to be fast bowlers.

Even in the 90s, India actually had some very good batsmen, you just didn’t have a culture for fast bowling. Plus half the team including the captain was fixing matches.

00s onwards India has begun playing based on potential. Your system was **** compared to Australia and England but still decent enough, and the 1 billion population allowed India to compete very well. Once money came in and the structure began to develop, India has taken off in the 2010s and never looked back.

I guess what he’s trying to say is that, India has underachieved for a large portion of its history which is very, very true.

Pakistan, despite a lack of structure, has actually overachieved for a large portion of history. We have just as many malnourished kids as you guys do per capita, but you have a population 7 times the size of ours and yet Pakistan has been Squash champions for 3 decades, Hockey champions for two decades (and even now we have the record for most World Cups) and had one of the best cricket teams in the world in the 80s and 90s. In other industries, the music scene in Pakistan was quite like no other in Asia, even despite the lack of opportunities we give to artists and performers. That’s what these older cricketers refer to as “jazba” and “junoon”. It is truly remarkable what we were able to do.

I take no shame in admitting that Pakistan, without any real systems in place, had absolutely no business overachieving that much for two decades. Our absurdly horrible performances across all sports and industries in the 00s and 10s was simply a regression to the mean — law of averages, kickstarted by terrorism, crime, and corruption in our government, which sent Pakistan into a shell.

Now, we perform as per the system, no more and no less. We truly deserve the sad state of affairs our cricket, hockey teams are currently in, simply because we we are getting back exactly how much we are investing into the infrastructure.

I hope this puts things into a little better context. I know Indians look at these statements of “jazba and junoon” and think it’s nonsense, but the truth is, it represents a proper fighting spirit and character that has propelled this nation to punch above its weight for large portions of its history. It’s for this reason that I’m a proud Pakistani, and continue to be proud when someone like Mohammad Waseem (the boxer) emerges out of total obscurity from Balochistan, where we don’t invest jack, to get coached by Jeff Mayweather and become the world flyweight number 1. We barely have any proper boxing competitions in Pakistan but this kid had a genuine passion and somehow made his way through.

There are many stories like this and if you read into it a bit more you would be very surprised. Hai jazba junoon tou himmat na haar — this is almost a second national anthem for Pakistan after the qoumi taraana. I am a proud patriot because I see how passionate a people we are when we set our mind to doing something.

Alhamdulillah, we’ve wiped out terrorism and brought cricket back to our blessed country. We’ve finally found a political leader who doesn’t want to steal money and run away abroad. We’ve begun rebuilding our industries and economy, and people have begun visiting the beautiful northern reaches of Pakistan as tourists and appreciating the natural beauty that this land has.

We have begun generating the money to invest into our cricket structure. We have a competent team at the helm of our cricket board. We’ve begun reorganizing domestic cricket. We’ve begun investing into other sports. The music industry is starting to boom again. Our film industry is professionalizing, and young indie artists are emerging across all walks of life from painters, to film makers, to rappers.

We are a passionate people, and we yearn for the era that we used to overachieve. I am a rational person, and I know that it will not be that easy. Professionalism is necessary. We need the right structure and the opportunities.

But that is the talent present in Pakistan. It’s an attitude of fighters, of overcoming all hurdles to make it to the big stage, of representing your country, of passion, of love, and of peace. I hope this makes sense.

I think you are ignoring important issues holding Pakistan back and putting too much hope on your current PM, but I like it that you are optimistic about the prospects of your country. People like you certainly deserve success. Good luck.
 
To be quite honest, before IPL there was roughly the same amount of “talent per capita” in both India and Pakistan (refer to my length post earlier about how talent essentially means population size and cross-evaluating that against the system that develops the talent per capita).

Back then, India had 7 times as much talent as Pakistan but largely due to population size, otherwise our systems were quite similar. India had a much better batting setup (school cricket and club cricket) and we had a lot more kids trying to be fast bowlers.

Even in the 90s, India actually had some very good batsmen, you just didn’t have a culture for fast bowling. Plus half the team including the captain was fixing matches.

00s onwards India has begun playing based on potential. Your system was **** compared to Australia and England but still decent enough, and the 1 billion population allowed India to compete very well. Once money came in and the structure began to develop, India has taken off in the 2010s and never looked back.

I guess what he’s trying to say is that, India has underachieved for a large portion of its history which is very, very true.

Pakistan, despite a lack of structure, has actually overachieved for a large portion of history. We have just as many malnourished kids as you guys do per capita, but you have a population 7 times the size of ours and yet Pakistan has been Squash champions for 3 decades, Hockey champions for two decades (and even now we have the record for most World Cups) and had one of the best cricket teams in the world in the 80s and 90s. In other industries, the music scene in Pakistan was quite like no other in Asia, even despite the lack of opportunities we give to artists and performers. That’s what these older cricketers refer to as “jazba” and “junoon”. It is truly remarkable what we were able to do.

I take no shame in admitting that Pakistan, without any real systems in place, had absolutely no business overachieving that much for two decades. Our absurdly horrible performances across all sports and industries in the 00s and 10s was simply a regression to the mean — law of averages, kickstarted by terrorism, crime, and corruption in our government, which sent Pakistan into a shell.

Now, we perform as per the system, no more and no less. We truly deserve the sad state of affairs our cricket, hockey teams are currently in, simply because we we are getting back exactly how much we are investing into the infrastructure.

I hope this puts things into a little better context. I know Indians look at these statements of “jazba and junoon” and think it’s nonsense, but the truth is, it represents a proper fighting spirit and character that has propelled this nation to punch above its weight for large portions of its history. It’s for this reason that I’m a proud Pakistani, and continue to be proud when someone like Mohammad Waseem (the boxer) emerges out of total obscurity from Balochistan, where we don’t invest jack, to get coached by Jeff Mayweather and become the world flyweight number 1. We barely have any proper boxing competitions in Pakistan but this kid had a genuine passion and somehow made his way through.

There are many stories like this and if you read into it a bit more you would be very surprised. Hai jazba junoon tou himmat na haar — this is almost a second national anthem for Pakistan after the qoumi taraana. I am a proud patriot because I see how passionate a people we are when we set our mind to doing something.

Alhamdulillah, we’ve wiped out terrorism and brought cricket back to our blessed country. We’ve finally found a political leader who doesn’t want to steal money and run away abroad. We’ve begun rebuilding our industries and economy, and people have begun visiting the beautiful northern reaches of Pakistan as tourists and appreciating the natural beauty that this land has.

We have begun generating the money to invest into our cricket structure. We have a competent team at the helm of our cricket board. We’ve begun reorganizing domestic cricket. We’ve begun investing into other sports. The music industry is starting to boom again. Our film industry is professionalizing, and young indie artists are emerging across all walks of life from painters, to film makers, to rappers.

We are a passionate people, and we yearn for the era that we used to overachieve. I am a rational person, and I know that it will not be that easy. Professionalism is necessary. We need the right structure and the opportunities.

But that is the talent present in Pakistan. It’s an attitude of fighters, of overcoming all hurdles to make it to the big stage, of representing your country, of passion, of love, and of peace. I hope this makes sense.

I think you are ignoring important issues holding Pakistan back and putting too much hope on your current PM, but I like it that you are optimistic about the prospects of your country. People like you certainly deserve success. Good luck.
 
The point is with all this jazbaa and janoon is not specific to Pakistan.

We have numerous such examples in various fields.
Look up the story of Milkha Singh, Mary Kom, PT Usha. In terms of Business.. Dhirubhai Ambani(father of Mukesh and Anil and founder of Reliance) used to sell paper utensils on a side of the road.
Closer home to cricket.. Jaiswal, Pant, Shami, Navdeep Saini, Natarajan.

Pant used to travel 3 AM in the morning from an Uttrakhand Village to reach Delhi stadium at 8 AM with his kit, go back in the night and start again for close to 2 years.

Bumrah's is a son of a single mother who could not buy sport shoes for her. Prithvi Shaw comes from a poor background as well.

Kapil Dev produced the original Cornered Tiger moment in 1983.. KOing the Champion West Indies side who used to pummel the richest countries of England and West Indies at that moment.

So all this talk amuses us in India, because things are not easier even this side of the border as well.

But we know it is not jazbaa, janoon etc which get's us results.. but a proper method and system along with lots and lots of tears and hard work.

Pakistan is not the only special country in the world where people are rising above such challenges..
African countries have athletes... like runners from Ethiopia without any facilities and training winning marathons.

Have you ever heard Kapil Dev and Sachin came out and say that we are the most talented nation and we have all the jazbaa and janoon.. So we will win.

You don’t understand. I agree with everything you’re saying. The system is important. And of course everywhere in the world, not just India or Pakistan, are there great stories of people emerging despite obstacles.

No one said it was unique to Pakistan. I am just saying, on a relative scale, I have a lot more respect for Indians and Pakistanis like Mary Kom, Abdus Salam, or Srinivasa Ramanujan more than the likes of Einstein himself who had access to a lot higher level of institutional backing in Germany as well as in the United States to become the genius that he was.

I also believe that there is certainly a greater degree of fighting spirit present in us desi people because from a young age we have to deal with some very serious obstacles like poverty, access to electricity, internet, systematic corruption, etc which teaches us to be street smart and prevail despite the odds.

I am an international student at a reputed college in the United States and I have noticed that even though the majority of students who are American are very smart and good people, most of them have grown up in a bubble where the system is in place to provide them with the opportunity to grow as intellectuals, athletes, or whatever else they want to be, and do not know the kinds of challenges that some of the Indians, Pakistanis, Argentinians, Kenyans have had to overcome to make their way through life. I would also like to add Americans themselves who come from difficult backgrounds here in the states (and there are indeed people like this, it’s not all rosy). The kinds of conversations I have with different people, it’s very clear that when it comes to navigating the real world, people who emerge from the toughest backgrounds are the most street smart and intelligent. It speaks a lot about the character of us human beings and our stubbornness in face of the odds.

This is just a generic observation, but it is one that I do believe translates greatly into the character of certain nations. I have a lot of love for India, because it too like Pakistan shows a lot of character and “jazba junoon”. But make no mistake, this is not something inherent to every other country.

Take pride in your roots and take pride in the fighting character of the folks that you mentioned in your post. They emerged in the absence of a system, not because of the presence of one. With a rapidly developing structure, there are no limits. There is a lot of talent in India.

And there is a lot of talent in Pakistan.
 
You don’t understand. I agree with everything you’re saying. The system is important. And of course everywhere in the world, not just India or Pakistan, are there great stories of people emerging despite obstacles.

No one said it was unique to Pakistan. I am just saying, on a relative scale, I have a lot more respect for Indians and Pakistanis like Mary Kom, Abdus Salam, or Srinivasa Ramanujan more than the likes of Einstein himself who had access to a lot higher level of institutional backing in Germany as well as in the United States to become the genius that he was.

I also believe that there is certainly a greater degree of fighting spirit present in us desi people because from a young age we have to deal with some very serious obstacles like poverty, access to electricity, internet, systematic corruption, etc which teaches us to be street smart and prevail despite the odds.

I am an international student at a reputed college in the United States and I have noticed that even though the majority of students who are American are very smart and good people, most of them have grown up in a bubble where the system is in place to provide them with the opportunity to grow as intellectuals, athletes, or whatever else they want to be, and do not know the kinds of challenges that some of the Indians, Pakistanis, Argentinians, Kenyans have had to overcome to make their way through life. I would also like to add Americans themselves who come from difficult backgrounds here in the states (and there are indeed people like this, it’s not all rosy). The kinds of conversations I have with different people, it’s very clear that when it comes to navigating the real world, people who emerge from the toughest backgrounds are the most street smart and intelligent. It speaks a lot about the character of us human beings and our stubbornness in face of the odds.

This is just a generic observation, but it is one that I do believe translates greatly into the character of certain nations. I have a lot of love for India, because it too like Pakistan shows a lot of character and “jazba junoon”. But make no mistake, this is not something inherent to every other country.

Take pride in your roots and take pride in the fighting character of the folks that you mentioned in your post. They emerged in the absence of a system, not because of the presence of one. With a rapidly developing structure, there are no limits. There is a lot of talent in India.

And there is a lot of talent in Pakistan.

Agree with everything you said especially the last part. Hopefully playing at home furthers the development of upcoming kids like Haider and Rohail.
 
I think you are ignoring important issues holding Pakistan back and putting too much hope on your current PM, but I like it that you are optimistic about the prospects of your country. People like you certainly deserve success. Good luck.

I do recognize the issues that are present, and I recognize that no one person (namely, the Prime Minister) can be a silver bullet. Imran Khan, for many of the good things he has brought to the direction of our nation, has many of his own flaws.

Nation building is an exercise that involves the entire nation - for this, I yearn for a day that we weed out negativity, toxicity, corruption, and a culture of bringing each other down. Focusing on bringing each other up instead, and raising a system for the people can benefit from it and in turn contribute back to a budding society.

Humans are a resilient species, and I have no doubt positive things are to come.
 
TASHKENT: Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan said he will bring cricket to Uzbekistan to find young talented cricketers in the country.

PM Khan held a joint press conference with Uzbekistan’s President Shavkat Mirziyoyev on day 1 of his two-day official visit to the country. During the presser, PM Khan expressed his wish to introduce cricket in Uzbekistan.

“Inshallah, when the relationship between Pakistan and Uzbekistan gets stronger, I will introduce cricket to the people here,” the premier said.

Earlier, PM Khan met Afghanistan’s cricketers on his visit to the country. He assured smooth cricket relations between the two countries.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PM Imran Khan during a joint press conference with Uzbekistan’s President Shavkat Mirziyoyev "Inshallah as the relationship between Pakistan and Uzbekistan gets stronger, I will introduce cricket to the people here" <a href="https://t.co/AP0tFIHty9">pic.twitter.com/AP0tFIHty9</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1415751759222427654?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Speaking in a meeting with Sir Viv Richards & David Gower:

“There is no shortage of talent in Pakistan. The government is taking steps to provide better facilities to young players.”

“Instructions have been given to build playgrounds in each area so that children and youth have access to healthy recreational opportunities.”

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PM Imran Khan pictured in a meeting with David Gower and Viv Richards <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/t8vEPhWHsa">pic.twitter.com/t8vEPhWHsa</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1455220520463609856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2021</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister Imran Khan has won the Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum Creative Sports Award. Khan will get the International Sports Personality Award in appreciation of his efforts in turning Pakistan into one of the world’s leading cricket nations <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1463125973944221701?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 23, 2021</a></blockquote>
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