India can't play a bilateral series with Pakistan in UAE, but can play Asia Cup

[DeadBall]

Keep discussions about the OP people. Last warning, especially to the newer posters.

 

[www787]

I believe you’re wrong there.

elaborate?

 

[rhony]

There's no denying that PCB is missing out on revenue, but I rather have players play for the love of their country and not money.

I think the CT17 tournament proved to me certainly, that playing for the love of your country is a level above playing for money.

40M to 50M might be chump change, but with money, it always comes down to price vs value.

We aren't discussing about how Kohli loves money or Amir loves his country or the other way around.

The point is about the money PCB requires to operate efficiently. As fans, you might say you don't need it but PCB's stance indicates otherwise

 

[Markhor]

Sick of this subject and neverending drama associated with it. Both boards should just keep their distance from one another for the next few years.

Given the political climate and the rise of the right wing in India there is not a snowball's chance in hell of bilateral series going ahead. They have made a distinction between multilateral events where revenues are shared and bilaterals where PCB would stand to benefit financially.

Play multilateral tournaments at neutral venues and accept bilateral series isn't happening any time soon.

 

[CanadianG00se]

elaborate?

Most Indian fans are OK with not having India-Pakistan games, heck many on social media are actually against any bilateral games. Many Indian fans i interact with have never shown a sign of frustration of not having India-Pakistan series. Most of us have moved on from it; Now we always look forward to facing Australia due to recent controversies involving these two teams.

Even in this forum you’ll find only few of them supporting India-Pakistan games, that sums up the mood of the masses in India.

Thus my statement, that you’re wrong when you said most Indians want Indi-Pakistan games.

 

[R3verse Swing]

We aren't discussing about how Kohli loves money or Amir loves his country or the other way around.

The point is about the money PCB requires to operate efficiently. As fans, you might say you don't need it but PCB's stance indicates otherwise

Kohli and Amir? Who mentioned these two? What are you talking about?

The point is about the money PCB requires to operate efficiently? Define efficiently. Tell me, quantify your statement and enlighten all of us readers on how much money PCB needs.

Don't ignore the fact/point I mentioned that playing for your country is above playing for money. Money is not everything. But no, you go for it.

3...2...1...GO!

 

[gani999]

The BCCI could have very well held the Asia Cup in India without Pakistan participating. It would have been a lot less interesting, but when the BCCI has no qualms about organising several meaningless Sri Lanka tours throughout the year, another 'meaningless' Asia cup is barely going to make any difference.

It may well not be all that 'meaningless' sans Pakistan too, with the Indian A unit battling it out with the likes of Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. It may be even more interesting than the usual India -Sri Lanka borefest.

The ONLY reason BCCI agreed to host this tournament in the UAE is because it does not want the India-Pakistan sabre rattling to affect a multinational tournament. It has nothing to do with any arm twisting from the Pakistanis or any perceived threat of lost revenues. The BCCI has just received billions of USD from the IPL and can well afford a damp squib of an Asia cup sans Pakistan. By not participating, it is the PCB that has much more to lose, not the BCCI.

Whatever our Pakistani friends (or Indian trolls) may think, the BCCI is showing foresight here by keeping the the India-Pak enemity between the two countries and not allowing it to spill over to Asian or World events.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If BCCI is'nt chasing PCB than why they changed venue for ICC Wt20 2015? Why did they allow Pakistani team on their soil?

Reality is bitter, India after spending millions should have a bank of bowlers. Money is'nt everything and your country is a shining example of it. There is something else needed apart from money and facilities.

Where did the PCB boycott BCCI under Dalmiya in 90s, it is a very foolish comment by you and the biggest joke. Without stating proof you are just shooting farce. Whenever Pakistan toured India in 90s, BCCI earned from it and exploit it. Even though BCCI never sent Indian team regularly. India played a test match in Pakistan in 2004 after 15 years, shameful stats point to the obvious how BCCI used and abused PCB even in that time.

1. What WT20 in 2015?
2. Bcci changed the venue because people of dharamshala and the provincial govt there were unwilling to host Pakistanis.

3.Bcci made commitments to icc as india was host of the tournament thats why pakistan team was allowed.

4.My country is a shining example of how to host cricket matches, Pakistan cant.

5. How many times Pakistan toured India in 90s? They twice cancelled the tour. Pulled out of 1990 Asia Cup.

6. India toured Pakistan in 1997 for 3 Odis.

7. Finally Pakistan toured India for 2 tests in 1999, a return of the 1989 tour by India. Stop lying and showing 15yrs gap when Pakistan itself didnt tour India for 10yrs.

 

[R3verse Swing]

4.My country is a shining example of how to host cricket matches, Pakistan cant.

Your country is NOT a shining example. IPL bombs in stadiums, Religious terrorist threats, Abusive and Violent fans.

Happy to cite examples in all cases.

Why do you not talk about what is happening right NOW. IPL In Chennai An Embarrassment When Cauvery Protests On? https://www.ndtv.com/tamil-nadu-new...-delay-in-cauvery-boards-constitution-1834322

How much security was warranted for the safety of the players?

Shining example? India is the ONLY country that has to relocate matches due to an election - to a different COUNTRY! Sums up the ability in hosting matches. Go figure.

 

[rhony]

Kohli and Amir? Who mentioned these two? What are you talking about?

The point is about the money PCB requires to operate efficiently? Define efficiently. Tell me, quantify your statement and enlighten all of us readers on how much money PCB needs.

Don't ignore the fact/point I mentioned that playing for your country is above playing for money. Money is not everything. But no, you go for it.

3...2...1...GO!

Playing for your country is more important than playing for money. Now why did that thought come into your head considering it's ironical to indicate Indian players play for money and Pakistani players don't. That's exactly why I mentioned Kohli and Amir. See the irony there?

Efficiently means operating without any financial stress. PCB makes about 40 to 50 mil a year and spends 43 mil. I posted the links the other day showing these numbers. 90 million is at stake for PCB with the India series from television rights. The more money PCB makes, the better facilities and the more money they can pay their players so they don't have to resort to playing a bunch of T20 leagues and play tests for Pakistan instead. More money means more clout in the ICC. You can organize better tours for your youngsters, revamp your domestic circuit. That's pointing just a few. You also don't have to beg anyone for a series.

 

[aloo paratha]

It shouldn't be a surprise. India doesn't want to play Pakistan and it's as simple as that, government clearance and other stuff is just an excuse.

Oh and by the way I don't mean to say India is scared to play us for those delusional people on both sides. An India Pakistan series would be pretty evenly contested at least in LOIs right now and it's something I want to witness in my lifetime but the BCCi doesn't want to aid PCB I guess.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Your country is NOT a shining example. IPL bombs in stadiums, Religious terrorist threats, Abusive and Violent fans.

Happy to cite examples in all cases.

Why do you not talk about what is happening right NOW. IPL In Chennai An Embarrassment When Cauvery Protests On? https://www.ndtv.com/tamil-nadu-new...-delay-in-cauvery-boards-constitution-1834322

How much security was warranted for the safety of the players?

Shining example? India is the ONLY country that has to relocate matches due to an election - to a different COUNTRY! Sums up the ability in hosting matches. Go figure.

Thing is players think its safe to come and play. Not the case with Pakistan. You saying otherwise on PP wont change that.

 

[Kazim_Pak86]

Sick of this subject and neverending drama associated with it. Both boards should just keep their distance from one another for the next few years.

Given the political climate and the rise of the right wing in India there is not a snowball's chance in hell of bilateral series going ahead. They have made a distinction between multilateral events where revenues are shared and bilaterals where PCB would stand to benefit financially.

Play multilateral tournaments at neutral venues and accept bilateral series isn't happening any time soon.

Tomorrow if Indian Govt. trying to show bravado block BCCI from playing PAkistan in an ICC tournament then what will Pakistan do?

Pakistan can earn hell lot of revenue from hosting matches in its own country than playing in multilateral tournaments hosted by BCCI. Recent tour has proved that. PCB also was able to earn even further in advertising revenue compared to UAE matches.

 

[Darkrai]

Does Pakistan keep trade and business separate from politics? Does Pakistan give Indian companies access to its markets or transit passage to Afghanistan or other countries? Sports is just like business. It takes mutual co-operation for things to go smoothly. Hosting Indian cricket team is a privilege, and one that is not freely given away to countries that are openly hostile to India.

Does Pakistan keep justice and rule of law away from politics? Murderers of Indian civilians are walking around freely in Pakistan. In spite of UN and interpol sanctions. And you want Indian money for your cricket board. If Pak government fixes its policies, things will get better across the board. Until then, keep waiting for "bilateral" series.

Sports should not be just like business. No matter how you explain it, this behavior from BCCI is childish.There should be no place for this kinda of mentality in sports. But that's my opinion. I don't really cares if India plays Pakistan or not-which is what i originally said. It's not like a soccer league where every team has to play each other.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Playing for your country is more important than playing for money. Now why did that thought come into your head considering it's ironical to indicate Indian players play for money and Pakistani players don't. That's exactly why I mentioned Kohli and Amir. See the irony there?

There is no irony. Please look up the word and learn how to use it.

The point was that money does NOT equate to success. Agree or disagree?

You are pouring water over the achievements of your countrymen before circa 2000, when your players were playing for India. Do you think Kapil Dev was motivated by money when he lifted the 1983 WC? Do you think SRT was motivated by money when he was performing in the 90s?

Efficiently means operating without any financial stress. PCB makes about 40 to 50 mil a year and spends 43 mil. I posted the links the other day showing these numbers. 90 million is at stake for PCB with the India series from television rights. The more money PCB makes, the better facilities and the more money they can pay their players so they don't have to resort to playing a bunch of T20 leagues and play tests for Pakistan instead. More money means more clout in the ICC. You can organize better tours for your youngsters, revamp your domestic circuit. That's pointing just a few. You also don't have to beg anyone for a series.

More money means more clout? Hmmm. This thread proves otherwise. PCB raised a concern and the venue for Asia Cup switched from India to UAE. So I have no idea what clout you are referring to.

However, yes I agree, more money means better facilities but then I go back to 1983 and 1992 when PCB and BCCI had next to no money but still won World Cups.

What's that saying again? Rhymes with studying under candle light.

 

[rhony]

Tomorrow if Indian Govt. trying to show bravado block BCCI from playing PAkistan in an ICC tournament then what will Pakistan do?

Pakistan can earn hell lot of revenue from hosting matches in its own country than playing in multilateral tournaments hosted by BCCI. Recent tour has proved that. PCB also was able to earn even further in advertising revenue compared to UAE matches.

Hell lot of revenue with 8500 guards?? Oh you mean the chump change from stadium tickets. Google tv rights and average gate fees. Then compare the difference.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Thing is players think its safe to come and play. Not the case with Pakistan. You saying otherwise on PP wont change that.

Well guess what, the venue for Asia Cup was shifted to UAE on the grounds BCCI's inability of guaranteeing the safety of Pakistani players in India.

You crying on PP will not change this fact.

 

[rhony]

There is no irony. Please look up the word and learn how to use it.

The point was that money does NOT equate to success. Agree or disagree?

You are pouring water over the achievements of your countrymen before circa 2000, when your players were playing for India. Do you think Kapil Dev was motivated by money when he lifted the 1983 WC? Do you think SRT was motivated by money when he was performing in the 90s?






More money means more clout? Hmmm. This thread proves otherwise. PCB raised a concern and the venue for Asia Cup switched from India to UAE. So I have no idea what clout you are referring to.

However, yes I agree, more money means better facilities but then I go back to 1983 and 1992 when PCB and BCCI had next to no money but still won World Cups.

What's that saying again? Rhymes with studying under candle light.

I exactly know how to use the word and did it to show how ironical your arbitrary comment was. Every player plays for the country when they are representing their nation except for a few bad apples ofcourse.

BCCI's clout fetched them 400 mil from ICC and 3.5 bil from tv rights. They don't beg any one for a series and actually it's the other way around. Everybody want to host India.

They just showed their clout again by being hypocritical about UAE. They could have easily hosted this in SL. They just indicated they will play in UAE and will still not play a bilateral.

They moved the India games in the emerging Cup to SL. They just got everything they wanted.

If you want to go back to 83.and 92 to win world cups, go ahead.

More money and better administration equates to success. Teams become consistent instead of blowing hot and cold. Look at any sport and any league. Sustained excellence comes with better management and better infrastructure.

 

[Kazim_Pak86]

Hell lot of revenue with 8500 guards?? Oh you mean the chump change from stadium tickets. Google tv rights and average gate fees. Then compare the difference.

Please first you google and check who is responsible for what. Who is in charge of Security, how much PCB charged for a ticket . What comes under PCB and vice versa.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well guess what, the venue for Asia Cup was shifted to UAE on the grounds BCCI's inability of guaranteeing the safety of Pakistani players in India.

You crying on PP will not change this fact.

Indian govt didnt give permission to Pakistani players to come to India. You lying wont change that.

Cricketers from every major country is in India at this time. Except Pakistanis, who the GOI says arent welcome either.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Please first you google and check who is responsible for what. Who is in charge of Security, how much PCB charged for a ticket . What comes under PCB and vice versa.

Please look up bcci tv rights on PP. Dont even have to google.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The BCCI cover-up story is of course, BCCI succumbed to a LETTER from a prince - not a phone call, email, WhatsApp, FB message, or through PR, but an old school LETTER - scented with Rose petals!

India has no choice but to bow and pay respect to UAE because next year IPL must shift from India to an alternate venue. What does this tell you about a nation’s ability to host a competition? A nation that is allegedly loaded with dosh, had clout, educated, yet has ZERO confidence in its ability to host a comp during elections? Yes sir ree, let’s kiss the hand of a Prince and show the world we cannot control our people during an election.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Indian govt didnt give permission to Pakistani players to come to India. You lying wont change that.

Cricketers from every major country is in India at this time. Except Pakistanis, who the GOI says arent welcome either.

You are a person who argues from tautology and insecurity. Look up the words.

So Indian government did not grant permission to Pakistani players, but made themselves look like desperate fools and switched the tournament to UAE for the sake of Pakistani players and their security.

Pure JOKES!

 

[R3verse Swing]

I exactly know how to use the word and did it to show how ironical your arbitrary comment was. Every player plays for the country when they are representing their nation except for a few bad apples ofcourse.

BCCI's clout fetched them 400 mil from ICC and 3.5 bil from tv rights. They don't beg any one for a series and actually it's the other way around. Everybody want to host India.

They just showed their clout again by being hypocritical about UAE. They could have easily hosted this in SL. They just indicated they will play in UAE and will still not play a bilateral.

They moved the India games in the emerging Cup to SL. They just got everything they wanted.

If you want to go back to 83.and 92 to win world cups, go ahead.

More money and better administration equates to success. Teams become consistent instead of blowing hot and cold. Look at any sport and any league. Sustained excellence comes with better management and better infrastructure.

You are now moving on a tangent. You have failed to quantify the money needed for PCB to run the board efficiently anyway (no surprise!).

One last time, does money equal success in sports - yes or no?

 

[Kazim_Pak86]

Thing is players think its safe to come and play. Not the case with Pakistan. You saying otherwise on PP wont change that.

BCCI itself shifted 2009 IPL to South Africa due to no guarantee of security by Indian Govt.

Pakistani team was threatened by a hindutva nationalist political group not to come to Dharamshala to play. Himachal Pradesh Govt. gave security assurance but Interior Minister Ch. Nisar stopped the team from travelling and thus it was shifted to Calcutta where that State CM West Bengal invited Pakistani guests like Imran Khan and fecilitated honours just to show Pakistan team is welcomed and should'nt feel threatened.

 

[sshakir411]

Why is anyone surprised? BCCI will change its colors based on what it gets in return....this is already common knowledge to your avg Pakistani

 

[rhony]

You are now moving on a tangent. You have failed to quantify the money needed for PCB to run the board efficiently anyway (no surprise!).

One last time, does money equal success in sports - yes or no?

Which part of PCB desperately needs that 90 mil from televsion rights and hence the begging, didn't you understand. Is 90 mil enough quantifying for you? Or did u not read the news about the 70 mil lawsuit?

Also which part of my earlier post about sustained excellence through better management and infrastructure bounce you?

It's you who's swinging both ways talking rubbish about studying under candle light and playing for country vs money. If you can't comprehend cold hard numbers, then Google once in a while. The onus can't just be on me to school you on basic stuff.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Which part of PCB desperately needs that 90 mil from televsion rights and hence the begging, didn't you understand. Is 90 mil enough quantifying for you? Or did u not read the news about the 70 mil lawsuit?

None of it since you have neither elaborated nor quantified your statement.

Also which part of my earlier post about sustained excellence through better management and infrastructure bounce you?

None of it since you have neither elaborated nor quantified your statement.

It's you who's swinging both ways talking rubbish about studying under candle light and playing for country vs money. If you can't comprehend cold hard numbers, then Google once in a while. The onus can't just be on me to school you on basic stuff.

There's a surprise, given you failed at - you guessed it! - to elaborate or quantify your statement.

You made the claim, now stop crying when you cannot back it up.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are a person who argues from tautology and insecurity. Look up the words.

So Indian government did not grant permission to Pakistani players, but made themselves look like desperate fools and switched the tournament to UAE for the sake of Pakistani players and their security.

Pure JOKES!

Because the deputy head of state of uae is more important than Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI itself shifted 2009 IPL to South Africa due to no guarantee of security by Indian Govt.

Pakistani team was threatened by a hindutva nationalist political group not to come to Dharamshala to play. Himachal Pradesh Govt. gave security assurance but Interior Minister Ch. Nisar stopped the team from travelling and thus it was shifted to Calcutta where that State CM West Bengal invited Pakistani guests like Imran Khan and fecilitated honours just to show Pakistan team is welcomed and should'nt feel threatened.

Himachal govt said they wont stop any democratic protests.

State CM of WB did what she wanted to. People in bengal wanted to watch the match. If they wanted to protest bengal CM too wont have a choice.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Because the deputy head of state of uae is more important than Pakistan.

I can see that; the demands of Pakistan are way more important, hence BCCI begging the deputy head of state of UAE not just to guarantee the safety of Pakistani players, but to guarantee the IPL venue in 2019.

Brilliant, just brilliant!

 

[cricketjoshila]

The BCCI cover-up story is of course, BCCI succumbed to a LETTER from a prince - not a phone call, email, WhatsApp, FB message, or through PR, but an old school LETTER - scented with Rose petals!

India has no choice but to bow and pay respect to UAE because next year IPL must shift from India to an alternate venue. What does this tell you about a nation’s ability to host a competition? A nation that is allegedly loaded with dosh, had clout, educated, yet has ZERO confidence in its ability to host a comp during elections? Yes sir ree, let’s kiss the hand of a Prince and show the world we cannot control our people during an election.

Hurt that despite Pakistan playing its entire cricket in UAE, Crown Prince didnt deemed it fit to talk to PCB but Bcci. I know how hurt posters here on PP were when ipl was held in UAE.

Who said Ipl 2019 will be in UAE? It may be in SA or may be UK. Who knows!

Btw can Pakistan hold a test series anytime let alone election time? I mean how many test matches in Pakistan in last 8 years? May be try to control the people of your country of origin.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I can see that; the demands of Pakistan are way more important, hence BCCI begging the deputy head of state of UAE not just to guarantee the safety of Pakistani players, but to guarantee the IPL venue in 2019.

Brilliant, just brilliant!

Who told you IPL will be in UAE in 2019?

PCB regularly sends its players to UAE to play. They dont need any guarantee.

Although Indians hardly play there and bcci only goes there when someone as important as the Crown Prince invites. Thats the difference.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Hurt that despite Pakistan playing its entire cricket in UAE, Crown Prince didnt deemed it fit to talk to PCB but Bcci. I know how hurt posters here on PP were when ipl was held in UAE.

Who said Ipl 2019 will be in UAE? It may be in SA or may be UK. Who knows!

Btw can Pakistan hold a test series anytime let alone election time? I mean how many test matches in Pakistan in last 8 years? May be try to control the people of your country of origin.

Yawn. Your insecurity knows no bounds! Impressed with a letter? That's the story!

Whether in SA, UK, or UAE, point still stands, India cannot host a tournament during elections therefore cannot guarantee squat as you woefully claimed! How weal the Indian government is!

As for Pakistan not hosting a Test series. You changed your tune. A few weeks ago you included T20s too! That changed with WI touring Pakistan.

Just for you:

[utube]7ufGxqxeBJE[/utube]

 

[rhony]

None of it since you have neither elaborated nor quantified your statement.



None of it since you have neither elaborated nor quantified your statement.



There's a surprise, given you failed at - you guessed it! - to elaborate or quantify your statement.

You made the claim, now stop crying when you cannot back it up.

Since you can't do simple google searches. Here

1) PCB receives 128 mil from ICC. It's over the cycle of 2016- 2023. That's for 8 years. That's about 16 million dollars a year.

2) As per tribune.com.pk, the TV broadcast rights are worth 150 mil from 2015 to 2020. However, 60 percent of that is subject to India touring Pakistan. Since that ain't happening, add 60 mil for the 5 year cycle and that comes down to 12 mil per year.

3) As per nation.com.pk, PSL earned close to 1 million dollars of profit last year. The numbers are not out yet for this year. The broadcast deal for 4 years was 15 mil as per ipfs below. As per nation.com.pk, PCB earned 2.1 million through sponsorships, 330k through rental income, 3.2 million return on investment, and another 140k through other income.

4) As per nation.com.pk, PCB earned 38 mil last year and spent 47 mil. With additional expenses, PCB posted a loss of 1.31 billion Rs. That’s around 11 million dollars

5) As per thenews.com.pk, PCB presented a DEFICIT budget of 10.6 Billion Rs. That’s 91.5 million dollars. Now there is a reason it’s called a deficit budget. A budget deficit occurs when expenditures exceed revenue, and it is an indicator of financial health. The term is typically used to refer to government spending rather than business or individual spending. When referring to accrued government deficits, the deficits form the national debt.


The point is, PCB doesn't make any profits. Hence the anxiety about India series. Where is the money for grass roots development? The facilities as per many posters here are bad because of a reason.

Now how much money does PCB need? Well, they should atleast break even and atleast pay for their own expenses instead of tipping into the Nation’s piggy bank. Once they do that, they need to take care of revamping the domestic structure. Then they need to start making profits

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/*****...budget.493506/
https://tribune.com.pk/story/862982/...ghts-for-150m/
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknF...er_League.html
https://nation.com.pk/25-May-2017/pcb-posts-huge-rs134-billion-loss
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/206680-PCB-presents-Rs106-billion-budget

 

[R3verse Swing]

Since you can't do simple google searches. Here

1) PCB receives 128 mil from ICC. It's over the cycle of 2016- 2023. That's for 8 years. That's about 16 million dollars a year.

2) As per tribune.com.pk, the TV broadcast rights are worth 150 mil from 2015 to 2020. However, 60 percent of that is subject to India touring Pakistan. Since that ain't happening, add 60 mil for the 5 year cycle and that comes down to 12 mil per year.

3) As per nation.com.pk, PSL earned close to 1 million dollars of profit last year. The numbers are not out yet for this year. The broadcast deal for 4 years was 15 mil as per ipfs below. As per nation.com.pk, PCB earned 2.1 million through sponsorships, 330k through rental income, 3.2 million return on investment, and another 140k through other income.

4) As per nation.com.pk, PCB earned 38 mil last year and spent 47 mil. With additional expenses, PCB posted a loss of 1.31 billion Rs. That’s around 11 million dollars

5) As per thenews.com.pk, PCB presented a DEFICIT budget of 10.6 Billion Rs. That’s 91.5 million dollars. Now there is a reason it’s called a deficit budget. A budget deficit occurs when expenditures exceed revenue, and it is an indicator of financial health. The term is typically used to refer to government spending rather than business or individual spending. When referring to accrued government deficits, the deficits form the national debt.


The point is, PCB doesn't make any profits. Hence the anxiety about India series. Where is the money for grass roots development? The facilities as per many posters here are bad because of a reason.

Now how much money does PCB need? Well, they should atleast break even and atleast pay for their own expenses instead of tipping into the Nation’s piggy bank. Once they do that, they need to take care of revamping the domestic structure. Then they need to start making profits

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/*****...budget.493506/
https://tribune.com.pk/story/862982/...ghts-for-150m/
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknF...er_League.html
https://nation.com.pk/25-May-2017/pcb-posts-huge-rs134-billion-loss
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/206680-PCB-presents-Rs106-billion-budget

None of the above answers whether money equates to success.

5 out of 10 for effort though.

 

[rhony]

None of the above answers whether money equates to success.

5 out of 10 for effort though.

I'm pretty sure You did not read a single line. Even if you did, Im sure again you wouldnt understand. I posted that as a reference for a bunch of intelligent folks here. Success in a sport comes through better players. Better players come through better system. This way, you can lock in sustained success over a period of time with a pipeline of players. I mentioned sustained success abunch of times which went over your head. What that means is a team can be successful and consistent over a period of time instead of one hit wonders.

 

[R3verse Swing]

I'm pretty sure You did not read a single line. Even if you did, Im sure again you wouldnt understand. I posted that as a reference for a bunch of intelligent folks here. Success in a sport comes through better players. Better players come through better system. This way, you can lock in sustained success over a period of time with a pipeline of players. I mentioned sustained success abunch of times which went over your head. What that means is a team can be successful and consistent over a period of time instead of one hit wonders.

I read every line.

Not a single one answers my question, does money equate to success?

Did I say 5 out of 10? My apologies, I meant 0.5 out of 10.

 

[rhony]

I read every line.

Not a single one answers my question, does money equate to success?

Did I say 5 out of 10? My apologies, I meant 0.5 out of 10.

Apology accepted. And thanks for the time pass. I know its tough to learn or understand these things in high school but it's good to know about your board.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Apology accepted. And thanks for the time pass. I know its tough to learn or understand these things in high school but it's good to know about your board.

No worries because if an Indian cannot answer if money is success, then no one can.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yawn. Your insecurity knows no bounds! Impressed with a letter? That's the story!

Whether in SA, UK, or UAE, point still stands, India cannot host a tournament during elections therefore cannot guarantee squat as you woefully claimed! How weal the Indian government is!

As for Pakistan not hosting a Test series. You changed your tune. A few weeks ago you included T20s too! That changed with WI touring Pakistan.

Just for you:

[utube]7ufGxqxeBJE[/utube]

Still hurt that UAE's deputy head doesnt consider pcb worthy of a personal invite? Too bad you guys are not as important as bcci.

Pakistan cannot hold a test anytime. Remedy that first.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Still hurt that UAE's deputy head doesnt consider pcb worthy of a personal invite? Too bad you guys are not as important as bcci.

Pakistan cannot hold a test anytime. Remedy that first.

There's that insecurity complex, a letter deemed personal by the BCCI and fellow Indian. I got news for you, it was BCCI who had to change venue, not the PCB. So why would PCB be expecting a letter worthy of a personal invite? You can fool your fellow countrymen with your ignorance, but no one else.

PCB merely forced BCCI to change venue.

Do you like shooting yourself in the foot? Bang bang.

In a years time you will need to come back with the hosting Test line, cos right now it is you who is intellectually bankrupt.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Remember folks, BCCI refused to play in UAE. GOI refused to play in UAE. But no, the moment PCB raises concerns, BCCI swallow their pride for PCB and agree to play in the UAE. Who loves who, and who needs who is pretty clear as daylight.

LOVE IT.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There's that insecurity complex, a letter deemed personal by the BCCI and fellow Indian. I got news for you, it was BCCI who had to change venue, not the PCB. So why would PCB be expecting a letter worthy of a person l invite? You can fool your fellow countrymen, but no one else.

PCB merely forced BCCI to change venue.

Do you like shooting yourself in the foot? Bang bang.

Bcci got invited by UAE's deputy head of state to play Asia cup there. Where does PCB come in? If they had any clout to force bcci they would force them to play a bilateral series.

A letter from a deputy head of state inviting bcci to host asia cup in uae is indeed significant. Alas pcbs doesnt get such importance. Must be really hurting you. All that cricket in uae by pcb.All that brotherhood love for nothing.

Need a tissue?

 

[Sam99]

It's all political pressure i guess from both side.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Remember folks, BCCI refused to play in UAE. GOI refused to play in UAE. But no, the moment PCB raises concerns, BCCI swallow their pride for PCB and agree to play in the UAE. Who loves who, and who needs who is pretty clear as daylight.

LOVE IT.

Bcci goes to play in UAE when the Crown Prince personally invites. Be it ipl 2014 or asia cup 2018.

Not like PCB "Mooh uthaya aur chal diye".

I know its hard for people like you to swallow the fact that bcci is important enough to be invited by Deputy Head of States. Poor Pcb !!

 

[R3verse Swing]

Bcci got invited by UAE's deputy head of state to play Asia cup there. Where does PCB come in? If they had any clout to force bcci they would force them to play a bilateral series.

A letter from a deputy head of state inviting bcci to host asia cup in uae is indeed significant. Alas pcbs doesnt get such importance. Must be really hurting you. All that cricket in uae by pcb.All that brotherhood love for nothing.

Need a tissue?

Where does PCB come in? You were gloating BCCI received a letter and not PCB.

Why would PCB receive a letter when PCB was strong arming BCCI? BCCI was hosting the Asia Cup no? Forced at the mere words of Sethi.

Word.

 

[English August]

Himachal govt said they wont stop any democratic protests.

State CM of WB did what she wanted to. People in bengal wanted to watch the match. If they wanted to protest bengal CM too wont have a choice.

Weren't you lecturing us the other day about not taking the bait?!

Looks like most of us find it irresistible

(For me it's a function of how much time do I have to waste)

 

[www787]

Most Indian fans are OK with not having India-Pakistan games, heck many on social media are actually against any bilateral games. Many Indian fans i interact with have never shown a sign of frustration of not having India-Pakistan series. Most of us have moved on from it; Now we always look forward to facing Australia due to recent controversies involving these two teams.

Even in this forum you’ll find only few of them supporting India-Pakistan games, that sums up the mood of the masses in India.

Thus my statement, that you’re wrong when you said most Indians want Indi-Pakistan games.

Is it due to recent phantys?.

over 324 million people watched CT final, 3rd in line of most watched ICC event.

And, Pak vs Ind were to happen again the number will be high.

So let's not take seriously of what most keyboard warrior typed up on a forum.

Australia and India champions trophy final would have not produced similar excitement.

 

[DeadBall]

Weren't you lecturing us the other day about not taking the bait?!

Looks like most of us find it irresistible

(For me it's a function of how much time do I have to waste)

He's really excited about the whole crown prince thing today. Easy to lecture others.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Weren't you lecturing us the other day about not taking the bait?!

Looks like most of us find it irresistible

(For me it's a function of how much time do I have to waste)

Cricket talk and timepass are different.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He's really excited about the whole crown prince thing today. Easy to lecture others.

Actually i am on a night shift so have time.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Is it due to recent phantys?.

over 324 million people watched CT final, 3rd in line of most watched ICC event.

And, Pak vs Ind were to happen again the number will be high.

So let's not take seriously of what most keyboard warrior typed up on a forum.

Australia and India champions trophy final would have not produced similar excitement.

He is not far from truth. In last 10 years or so the attitude about playing Pakistan has been becoming negative.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Where does PCB come in? You were gloating BCCI received a letter and not PCB.

Why would PCB receive a letter when PCB was strong arming BCCI? BCCI was hosting the Asia Cup no? Forced at the mere words of Sethi.

Word.

Mere words of Sethi? Even his begging and literal grovelling couldnot force bcci to play a bilateral series.

Asia cup may have been hosted in SL or BD. But the prince invited bcci to host it in UAE.

I know its tough to digest that bcci is invited by Royalty in UAE while pcb doesnt get the same treatment. But what can pcb do.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Weren't you lecturing us the other day about not taking the bait?!

Looks like most of us find it irresistible

(For me it's a function of how much time do I have to waste)

Yes do not take the bait.....but ......you need to go through the posts....see whats happening.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Is it due to recent phantys?.

over 324 million people watched CT final, 3rd in line of most watched ICC event.

And, Pak vs Ind were to happen again the number will be high.

So let's not take seriously of what most keyboard warrior typed up on a forum.

Australia and India champions trophy final would have not produced similar excitement.

Meh CT Phainty or not Indian fan wont give up on Team India. We’ve been dishing out phainty to Pakistan for many years in ICC events. India won 2013CT without losing a game, it was good win but Indian fans moved on. On the other hand, Pakistani fans will prolly stretch the CT victory like they did with 92 WC.

And yes i agree the recent ICC event encounter between the two nation was intense which again my point stands that having no bilateral betwen India-Pakistan makes such encounters in ICC makes interesting from viewers point of view.

Keyboard warriors or not the mood among masses in India isn’t exactly favourable for India-Pakistan series. I do not know much about Pakistan but in India most fans are cool with series goes ahead or not. Also, election next year I dont see Modi allowing series to go ahead.

As i mentioned earlier, Indian fans have been getting non stop entertainment and we’re pretty much satisfied.

 

[DeadBall]

Actually i am on a night shift so have time.

Dude you have been going on and on about the CP for the past 8-9 hours.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Dude you have been going on and on about the CP for the past 8-9 hours.

Yea 24hrs on call. What will i do? By gods grace patients are stable so have time to kill.

Thank god no emergencies today.

Kya yaar thoda mujhe bhi mauka do "enjoy" karne ka.

 

[www787]

He is not far from truth. In last 10 years or so the attitude about playing Pakistan has been becoming negative.

True and honest cricket fan would never shy away from Pak Vs Ind.

And, in Asia cup after Pak will win, interest in India will come back for Pak Vs Ind.

 

[cricketjoshila]

True and honest cricket fan would never shy away from Pak Vs Ind.

And, in Asia cup after Pak will win, interest in India will come back for Pak Vs Ind.

There is something called being honest and patriotic Indian, thats far more important than being cricket fans.

 

[giri26]

GOI have always been against Bi-Lateral ties with Pakistan and have never stopped ICC games between the two sides in neutral venues. India and Pakistan over the last few years have played in Asia Cup, T20 WC, 50 over WC, CT etc. So not sure what the problem is here. UAE or not unless GOI approves, India is not playing Bi-lateral series with Pakistan. Multi nation tournaments are fine as it has always been.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Why are we acting like crybaby minnows?

Please, stop this kind of embarrassing threads. Even if they have decided to go ahead with this series, it's in OUR interest.

Bcci gains nothing significant from this, they're a super rich board playing with billions without us already.

They don't need us. We need them and the finances, and the money. We need to build our cricket, infrastructure and friends/diplomacy.

They're going ahead with the UAE. GOOD FOR US.

Embarrassing threads really.

Who is crying hand? I just asked a simple question that an year or two back BCCI refused to play with Pakistan at UAE and they stated the 2 reasons for that Security and Bookies.

Now how the hell UAE is fine for India to play a cricket match there??

And Indians can't answer this simple question.

There is no crying there, and there is no embarrassment to ask a question.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Indian govt. has been consistent with not allowing a bilateral series against Pakistan. Asia Cup is not a bilateral series.

What double standards are you talking about?

:faceplam:

Read again

An year back BCCI refused to play with Pakistan and they said we can't play bilateral with Pakistan at UAE due to security and Bookies concern.

What happened now? BCCI is happily playing Asia Cup now at UAE because they got the hosting rights

And now there is no security issue and no bookies problems.

 

[Hermoine Green]

GOI have always been against Bi-Lateral ties with Pakistan and have never stopped ICC games between the two sides in neutral venues. India and Pakistan over the last few years have played in Asia Cup, T20 WC, 50 over WC, CT etc. So not sure what the problem is here. UAE or not unless GOI approves, India is not playing Bi-lateral series with Pakistan. Multi nation tournaments are fine as it has always been.

Question is simple, when playing bilateral at UAE, BCCI refused and there reasons were Security and Bookies.

Now how those 2 fatal reasons have been eradicated automatically when BCCI got the hosting rights

Am not talking about GOI, am talking about BCCI and their funny reasons.

 

[Hermoine Green]

There is something called being honest and patriotic Indian, thats far more important than being cricket fans.

And that logic goes out of window when there is ICC tournament, then the points, money e.t.c are preferred over scarifies of Army Jawans and their blood.

I have never seen such patriotism like this.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

India and their double standards are nothing new has been the case for decades.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

CB PRESS RELEASE

DISPUTE PANEL CONSTITUTED FOR PCB’S CASE AGAINST BCCI

Lahore April 11, 2018: The PCB has initiated a dispute resolution process against the BCCI under the ICC Dispute Resolution Committee Terms of Reference.

A three-member Dispute Panel has been constituted to hear the matter. The Panel comprises:

Michael Beloff QC, Chairperson
Jan Paulsson
Annabelle Bennett

A 3-day hearing in Dubai at the ICC Headquarters will take place in respect of this matter. The hearing dates will be communicated in due course.

The decision of the Dispute Panel and the reasons therefor will be made public.

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[cricketjoshila]

Question is simple, when playing bilateral at UAE, BCCI refused and there reasons were Security and Bookies.

Now how those 2 fatal reasons have been eradicated automatically when BCCI got the hosting rights

Am not talking about GOI, am talking about BCCI and their funny reasons.

The Govt of India is on record saying that there will be no bilateral series. After this the venue does not matter.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And that logic goes out of window when there is ICC tournament, then the points, money e.t.c are preferred over scarifies of Army Jawans and their blood.

I have never seen such patriotism like this.

Money? Lol. Bcci makes more money than ICC.

Patriotism doesnot mean that the enemy be gifted 2 free points and hence helped.

 

[USHK]

The problem has never been UAE. IPL especially the networks in India are no stranger to the hotbed of fixings but it is insecurity that is at play here. It is not just cricket board as BCCI but overall the nation as one united in being insecure over Pakistan which only explains the consistent pattern that is becoming embarrassing as observed. No matter how tall BCCI may pose but BCCI will always feel small in front of Pakistan. It is not easy to get over centurions of you know what it is.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The problem has never been UAE. IPL especially the networks in India are no stranger to the hotbed of fixings but it is insecurity that is at play here. It is not just cricket board as BCCI but overall the nation as one united in being insecure over Pakistan which only explains the consistent pattern that is becoming embarrassing as observed. No matter how tall BCCI may pose but BCCI will always feel small in front of Pakistan. It is not easy to get over centurions of you know what it is.

Then you woke up.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Patriotism doesnot mean that the enemy be gifted 2 free points and hence helped.

It's a sport, not a warzone. I'd suggest keep words like "enemy" out of it.

 

[OoparCut]

CB PRESS RELEASE

DISPUTE PANEL CONSTITUTED FOR PCB’S CASE AGAINST BCCI

Lahore April 11, 2018: The PCB has initiated a dispute resolution process against the BCCI under the ICC Dispute Resolution Committee Terms of Reference.

A three-member Dispute Panel has been constituted to hear the matter. The Panel comprises:

Michael Beloff QC, Chairperson
Jan Paulsson
Annabelle Bennett

A 3-day hearing in Dubai at the ICC Headquarters will take place in respect of this matter. The hearing dates will be communicated in due course.

The decision of the Dispute Panel and the reasons therefor will be made public.

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This is probably PCB's best shot at getting some compensation for the budget gap left by the India tours. This committee was formed with the influence of Giles Clarke, who visited Pakistan twice before the recent ICC vote where BCCI got shafted. The PCB lawsuit is basically dead in the water, and has zero chance. And the deterioration of the relationship between the 2 boards means that compromise is far off.

If the ICC committee does approve money for Pak, then questions can be asked about why England has not played in Zimbabwe for so long etc.

 

[USHK]

Then you woke up.

That I woke up seeing BCCI typically behaving as it is? Get some sleep. You seem to be overwhelmed while already doing overtime.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

:faceplam:

Read again

An year back BCCI refused to play with Pakistan and they said we can't play bilateral with Pakistan at UAE due to security and Bookies concern.

What happened now? BCCI is happily playing Asia Cup now at UAE because they got the hosting rights

And now there is no security issue and no bookies problems.

Oh bhai, save your self some time in your life and read post #57 and move on.

No point asking.

 

[RainMan_]

CB PRESS RELEASE

DISPUTE PANEL CONSTITUTED FOR PCB’S CASE AGAINST BCCI

Lahore April 11, 2018: The PCB has initiated a dispute resolution process against the BCCI under the ICC Dispute Resolution Committee Terms of Reference.

A three-member Dispute Panel has been constituted to hear the matter. The Panel comprises:

Michael Beloff QC, Chairperson
Jan Paulsson
Annabelle Bennett

A 3-day hearing in Dubai at the ICC Headquarters will take place in respect of this matter. The hearing dates will be communicated in due course.

The decision of the Dispute Panel and the reasons therefor will be made public.

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An all out attack on BCCI from sethi. Wow. I have to say that the stature of sethi as one of the most influencial board presidents in world cricket is growing with every passing minutes.

Man, the empire is shaking......... Coa is trembling in fear........i don't think the empire will manage to save itself from this onslaught

 

[R3verse Swing]

An all out attack on BCCI from sethi. Wow. I have to say that the stature of sethi as one of the most influencial board presidents in world cricket is growing with every passing minutes.

Man, the empire is shaking......... Coa is trembling in fear........i don't think the empire will manage to save itself from this onslaught

The thing is PCB has allies, BCCI does not.

ICC, ECB, CA, so on have lost respect for BCCI.

BCCI are probably better off abandoning the ICC and playing cricket within their own country. They can have 3 seasons of IPL every year, along with an Indian Cup or something along those lines.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's a sport, not a warzone. I'd suggest keep words like "enemy" out of it.

We have a warzone at our borders. That cannot be wished away.

 

[RainMan_]

The thing is PCB has allies, BCCI does not.

ICC, ECB, CA, so on have lost respect for BCCI.

BCCI are probably better off abandoning the ICC and playing cricket within their own country. They can have 3 seasons of IPL every year, along with an Indian Cup or something along those lines.

Spot on. BCCI has no friend, its a fact.

Look at what happened in last ICC voting. BCCI foolishly thought they had BCB, SLCB and WICB in their pocket but sadly none of them came to rescue BCCI on the actual day.

It's a well known fact that day by day BCCI is getting isolated. ICC will soon abolish the special three months window that IPL enjoys now. Don't think BCCI will be manage to survive after that.

As, [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] has pointed out, BCCI
already depends on ICC handouts to pay its players and employees.

 

[cricketjoshila]

U seem really really upset. I sympathise with u bud. I know its been a hard day for you especially with all these negative news about BCCI coming to u from every corner. Stay strong Bro. I m sure ther will be some sort of lights at the end of the tunnel.

BTW, Thank god ur patients are stable tonight. I was beginning to worry about them.

Sympathise with pcb, they lost most of emerging nation matches.

Negative news about bcci? What negative news?