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India can't play a bilateral series with Pakistan in UAE, but can play Asia Cup

The thing is PCB has allies, BCCI does not.

ICC, ECB, CA, so on have lost respect for BCCI.

BCCI are probably better off abandoning the ICC and playing cricket within their own country. They can have 3 seasons of IPL every year, along with an Indian Cup or something along those lines.

Icc just fell in line and gave IPL a official window in the FTP. All the boards fell in line.

Give advise to Pcb to play 3 seasons of psl and Pakistan cup, but will they play in UAE? Or in Pakistan? May be they will make some money and not run after bcci.
 
I don't understand why it is imperative for India to play bilateral series to play Pakistan in tournaments.

I still don't have a clue on how people are still under illusion that BCCI needs any handouts from ICC like many other boards including PCB to survive.
 
Icc just fell in line and gave IPL a official window in the FTP. All the boards fell in line.

Give advise to Pcb to play 3 seasons of psl and Pakistan cup, but will they play in UAE? Or in Pakistan? May be they will make some money and not run after bcci.

Are you reading what I am posting? ICC is just the governing body, the other boards have more gravity. Just look at what PCB did.

Plus, ECB are in the process of changing their terms in central contracts forbidding players to play in the IPL when the EPL is setup, then watch the tide change. It's happening within the next 2 years.

Now go back to your patients.
 
Spot on. BCCI has no friend, its a fact.

Look at what happened in last ICC voting. BCCI foolishly thought they had BCB, SLCB and WICB in their pocket but sadly none of them came to rescue BCCI on the actual day.

It's a well known fact that day by day BCCI is getting isolated. ICC will soon abolish the special three months window that IPL enjoys now. Don't think BCCI will be manage to survive after that.

As, [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] has pointed out, BCCI
already depends on ICC handouts to pay its players and employees.

Didn't the BCCI get the lions share of the $$ distribution. But Mr. Manohar is still hailed as the best thing since sliced bread. Not sure why.

The IPL window was just created when putting together the new FTP. So not sure if that will be taken back by Mr. Manohar & Co.

Not sure if you have done a search or not. But BCCI stands to make between $750-$800 million each year for the next 5 years from broadcast rights alone. This does not include other sources of revenue. While the ICC "handouts" stands at $39 million/year.
 
Are you reading what I am posting? ICC is just the governing body, the other boards have more gravity. Just look at what PCB did.

Plus, ECB are in the process of changing their terms in central contracts forbidding players to play in the IPL when the EPL is setup, then watch the tide change. It's happening within the next 2 years.

Now go back to your patients.

So ECB is going to bar their players from playing any other T20 league. To protect their brand. Similar to what IPL/BCCI is doing now. The key question though is whether they will also pay their players similar to what the IPL does.
 
Are you reading what I am posting? ICC is just the governing body, the other boards have more gravity. Just look at what PCB did.

Plus, ECB are in the process of changing their terms in central contracts forbidding players to play in the IPL when the EPL is setup, then watch the tide change. It's happening within the next 2 years.

Now go back to your patients.

Pcb did? You mean now begging icc to get them some money from bcci. Or losing most of emerging nations cup matches or that they cant host test matches at home. What?

First host a few test matches in Pakistan.

So ECB will do all this to please posters on PP?

Dont worry about my patients.
 
So ECB is going to bar their players from playing any other T20 league. To protect their brand. Similar to what IPL/BCCI is doing now. The key question though is whether they will also pay their players similar to what the IPL does.

Thats his claim. Is there a source for his claims?
 
Pcb did? You mean now begging icc to get them some money from bcci. Or losing most of emerging nations cup matches or that they cant host test matches at home. What?

First host a few test matches in Pakistan.

So ECB will do all this to please posters on PP?

Dont worry about my patients.

PCB did!

You are crying right now because of PCB.

You have nothing else to say hence you are repeating the same lines with Pakistan hosting Tests. It will happen, after which you need more lines.
 
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PCB did!

You are crying right now because of PCB.

You have nothing else to say hence you are repeating the same lines with Pakistan hosting Tests. It will happen, after which you need more lines.

Why will i cry? Pcb is crying for a series with India or money.

Is Pakistan hosting tests?
 
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So ECB is going to bar their players from playing any other T20 league. To protect their brand. Similar to what IPL/BCCI is doing now. The key question though is whether they will also pay their players similar to what the IPL does.

Nothing to do with protecting a brand.

It's all about loyalties and commitment.

If players want to play in T20 leagues, they can, but they cannot play for England. This is the thought process of ECB right now, and in a couple years things will change for sure.
 
Nothing to do with protecting a brand.

It's all about loyalties and commitment.

If players want to play in T20 leagues, they can, but they cannot play for England. This is the thought process of ECB right now, and in a couple years things will change for sure.

So nothing written in stone. And the actual thing is still 2 years away. You are right, a lot of things can change is that time. There is no way ECB is going to have exclusive arrangements related to T20 leagues. They will shy away from the either/or ultimatum, even if it is only a thought now.
 
Nothing to do with protecting a brand.

It's all about loyalties and commitment.

If players want to play in T20 leagues, they can, but they cannot play for England. This is the thought process of ECB right now, and in a couple years things will change for sure.

You think England players playing or not playing in IPL makes a big difference to IPL. ECB can host any league they will never be equal to IPL.
 
Nothing to do with protecting a brand.

It's all about loyalties and commitment.

If players want to play in T20 leagues, they can, but they cannot play for England. This is the thought process of ECB right now, and in a couple years things will change for sure.

BCCI doesn't allow Indian players to take part in any other international t20 league. It's only a matter of time e before all the other boards take similar stance against BCCI TOO.

As u rightly said, ECB has already taken the initiative and won't allow its players to play for IPL anymore. Next on the list will be CA. Then all the other boards will follow the same swit.
 
You think England players playing or not playing in IPL makes a big difference to IPL. ECB can host any league they will never be equal to IPL.

Stop being insecure!

The point had nothing to do with other T20 leagues being equal to the IPL!

When ECB put in a clause into the central contract preventing players to play in the IPL, other boards may follow suit. Then you can have an IPL with retired, Indian, and domestic Indian players!
 
You think England players playing or not playing in IPL makes a big difference to IPL. ECB can host any league they will never be equal to IPL.

It will make a difference when Australian and South African players will also not be allowed to play in IPL. THE days of BCCI R numbered. :))
 
BCCI doesn't allow Indian players to take part in any other international t20 league. It's only a matter of time e before all the other boards take similar stance against BCCI TOO.

As u rightly said, ECB has already taken the initiative and won't allow its players to play for IPL anymore. Next on the list will be CA. Then all the other boards will follow the same swit.

Yup, ECB started this thinking ages ago, when Nottinghamshire banned Michael Lumb, Alex Hales and Samit Patel from participating in the IPL in 2013 season. Then KP made matters worse! One the English EPL starts, it will signal the beginning of IPL dominance in T20 leagues.
 
It will make a difference when Australian and South African players will also not be allowed to play in IPL. THE days of BCCI R numbered. :))

The other thing is the EPL will be of higher quality. The grounds in England and Wales are some of the most challenging in the world. It will be like County Cricket 2.0!
 
Stop being insecure!

The point had nothing to do with other T20 leagues being equal to the IPL!

When ECB put in a clause into the central contract preventing players to play in the IPL, other boards may follow suit. Then you can have an IPL with retired, Indian, and domestic Indian players!

Why would I be insecure, you are being paranoid.

ECB did try to stop their central contracted players from playing IPL and then tried to change the IPL schedule but they couldn't do so they changed they stance.

Other boards simply cannot match the financial power of IPL in foreseeable future. We are already seeing how vulnerable Cricket Australia is right now and we saw how South Africa is doing.
 
So nothing written in stone. And the actual thing is still 2 years away. You are right, a lot of things can change is that time. There is no way ECB is going to have exclusive arrangements related to T20 leagues. They will shy away from the either/or ultimatum, even if it is only a thought now.

Bhai is that his thought or ECB's?
 
BCCI doesn't allow Indian players to take part in any other international t20 league. It's only a matter of time e before all the other boards take similar stance against BCCI TOO.

As u rightly said, ECB has already taken the initiative and won't allow its players to play for IPL anymore. Next on the list will be CA. Then all the other boards will follow the same swit.


Where is the initiative? Any credible info source on this?
 
Yup, ECB started this thinking ages ago, when Nottinghamshire banned Michael Lumb, Alex Hales and Samit Patel from participating in the IPL in 2013 season. Then KP made matters worse! One the English EPL starts, it will signal the beginning of IPL dominance in T20 leagues.

IPLs dominance of T20 leagues started in 2008 itself. You have arrived late.
 
Bcci got beat? I mean on PP may be not in the real world.

Why should i be supporting bcb?

I know why you are upset.

Were you planning on watching the ASIA Cup matches at Indian stadiums?

I guess now you have to spend money on VISAs, Plane Tickets, Hotels, match tickets. You are not sulking because it will cost you more to enjoy the Asia Cup?
 
Guys! Stay on topic and do NOT get personal with each other otherwise bans will be handed out.
 
Why would I be insecure, you are being paranoid.

ECB did try to stop their central contracted players from playing IPL and then tried to change the IPL schedule but they couldn't do so they changed they stance.

Other boards simply cannot match the financial power of IPL in foreseeable future. We are already seeing how vulnerable Cricket Australia is right now and we saw how South Africa is doing.

ECB are about to change their stance again, but you are the one fretting over any other T20 league superseding or being equal to the IPL. I mentioned loyalty and commitment remember?

You need to move away from this MONEY IS EVERYTHING mentality. Maybe in India, money is everything, but go ask a young English player, or any young player, if he wants to play for their country, or a Mickey Mouse T20 league, and you will get the answer.

The next few years will change T20 franchise leagues. Mark my words.
 
Dominance is not forever. It ebbs and flows. You of all people should know this.

This domination is based on number of people watching so England or any other cricketing nation cannot match that so IPL's domination is will not end anytime soon.
 
So nothing written in stone. And the actual thing is still 2 years away. You are right, a lot of things can change is that time. There is no way ECB is going to have exclusive arrangements related to T20 leagues. They will shy away from the either/or ultimatum, even if it is only a thought now.

https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/604579/england-players-in-the-ipl-the-full-rundown

This is the ECB website. Make what you will of it.

Btw the ecb has pushed its season back by some days and the 1st test of 2019 starts on 28th may. May be you will like to google why.
 
This domination is based on number of people watching so England or any other cricketing nation cannot match that so IPL's domination is will not end anytime soon.

You are missing one vital piece of the equation, when international players are not playing in the IPL, then who will watch the IPL?
 
I know why you are upset.

Were you planning on watching the ASIA Cup matches at Indian stadiums?

I guess now you have to spend money on VISAs, Plane Tickets, Hotels, match tickets. You are not sulking because it will cost you more to enjoy the Asia Cup?

Money is something in life i can spare but anyways thanks for your concern.

Why will i be upset? I get to watch cricket every year in India, Tests ODIs T20s IPL everything.
 
Why will they not play ipl? Because you said so on PP?

Why are you getting scared and anxious?

You have no idea what the ECB is working on right now. You pulled up a link which simply states which English players are playing in this year's IPL - that's all. Google how many English players have been barred from playing in the IPL.

ECB's stance is clear, and with BCCI isolating itself further, IPL will suffer - there is no question about it.
 
BCCI doesn't allow Indian players to take part in any other international t20 league. It's only a matter of time e before all the other boards take similar stance against BCCI TOO.

As u rightly said, ECB has already taken the initiative and won't allow its players to play for IPL anymore. Next on the list will be CA. Then all the other boards will follow the same swit.

Zilch. Zero initiatives by ECB to stop players from playing in IPL. You probably saw the news about counties meeting but that's about not letting IPL poach county players after a cut off date. The moment Strauss encouraged his players to play IPL is the moment ECB embraced IPL for good. Aussies will never stop their players. Heck they dont even have their own international stars in Big Bash and don't care. Nobody can match the money IPL pays and nobody can command a window like IPL does.
 
ECB are about to change their stance again, but you are the one fretting over any other T20 league superseding or being equal to the IPL. I mentioned loyalty and commitment remember?

You need to move away from this MONEY IS EVERYTHING mentality. Maybe in India, money is everything, but go ask a young English player, or any young player, if he wants to play for their country, or a Mickey Mouse T20 league, and you will get the answer.

The next few years will change T20 franchise leagues. Mark my words.

Sorry but no one cares what any young English player thinks IPL does not want to give any young upcoming English player any money either, it will want only established and popular English players.

All English players who are established will want to play IPL.IPL is not telling or wanting players to skip playing for their countries.IPL wants players to play for their countries and do well as that will make the players more marketable.

I am not fan of IPL or any other league .All I care is international cricket but IPL is good for players as it gives them security.
 
Sorry but no one cares what any young English player thinks IPL does not want to give any young upcoming English player any money either, it will want only established and popular English players.

All English players who are established will want to play IPL.IPL is not telling or wanting players to skip playing for their countries.IPL wants players to play for their countries and do well as that will make the players more marketable.

I am not fan of IPL or any other league .All I care is international cricket but IPL is good for players as it gives them security.

You are wrong. IPL does not provide security. 1 season you are in, the next season you are out. There is no fixed salary/price either.

In England/Wales, players will receive contracts for multiple years, fixed salaries, and bonuses. This is security.

Also, you may not care about English players or what they thing, this is obvious, but don't think everyone worships IPL - because they do not.

IPL is nothing without International Players, but ECB will give a choice to English players - T20 leagues or England - it is happening right now.
 
You are missing one vital piece of the equation, when international players are not playing in the IPL, then who will watch the IPL?

That is the point it will never happen, international players will always play IPL or they will become like WI players.No board wants to become WICB.So they will have to compromise in order to sustain themselves.

BCCI was/is very clever in never asking for IPL window as it knew other tour will not stand any chance in competing with it thereby getting unofficial window anyways.
 
Why are you getting scared and anxious?

You have no idea what the ECB is working on right now. You pulled up a link which simply states which English players are playing in this year's IPL - that's all. Google how many English players have been barred from playing in the IPL.

ECB's stance is clear, and with BCCI isolating itself further, IPL will suffer - there is no question about it.

ECB came and told you what they are working on? ECBs stance is clear that players will play IPL.

If ecb changes the stance it will be announced by them not by you on PP.
 
That is the point it will never happen, international players will always play IPL or they will become like WI players.No board wants to become WICB.So they will have to compromise in order to sustain themselves.

BCCI was/is very clever in never asking for IPL window as it knew other tour will not stand any chance in competing with it thereby getting unofficial window anyways.

You mean like BCCI claimed they would never play in UAE or shift a tournament from India to suit Pakistan's need?

Got it.
 
You are wrong. IPL does not provide security. 1 season you are in, the next season you are out. There is no fixed salary/price either.

In England/Wales, players will receive contracts for multiple years, fixed salaries, and bonuses. This is security.

Also, you may not care about English players or what they thing, this is obvious, but don't think everyone worships IPL - because they do not.

IPL is nothing without International Players, but ECB will give a choice to English players - T20 leagues or England - it is happening right now.

Mills earned in one year from IPl what he would have in few years of playing other leagues.It is not IPL's fault that he did not live up to his contract.

IPL is not business of charity service if players don't perform they will get dropped,that is why only top players will play IPL.

English player or ECB does not matter to IPL, EPL or what ever league ECB floats will never compete with IPL.

BCCI has scheduling advantage which no other board has , Big Bash or EPL or any other league has to compete with their own national team's schedule.
 
How come India can play against Pakistan in global tournaments but not bilaterally

I find it surprising as it is the same thing. If the Indian government is really against their team playing against Pakistan, then why do they give them permission to play Pakistan even in global tournament s that are held in India!! I’m discussing their principle. An argument of India not wanting to lose points in a tournament is weak. As it is just a tournament.
 
Pak fans' seeking solace in impending EPL to combat IPL proves where their lowly league stands

Like it was Lara then Ponting vs Sachin.

Btw ECB's broadcast rights from 2020 to 2024 is £1bn. Bcci's rights from 2018 to 2022 or 23 is $3.5bn thats 2.5 times and not to mention the fact that ecbs contract is still 2 years away. Poor pak fans will be disappointed again.
 
The BCCI are hypocrites.

All Pakistan has to do is continue beating them come these bilateral events and the already shrill tunes will start to tire out.

I'm sure there are other Indian fans who can't stand this constant whining either.
 
BCCI doesn't allow Indian players to take part in any other international t20 league. It's only a matter of time e before all the other boards take similar stance against BCCI TOO.

As u rightly said, ECB has already taken the initiative and won't allow its players to play for IPL anymore. Next on the list will be CA. Then all the other boards will follow the same swit.

I don't think this is true. I do not remember any statement or deals where the ECB has decided to not allow it's players in the IPL.
 
Mills earned in one year from IPl what he would have in few years of playing other leagues.It is not IPL's fault that he did not live up to his contract.

IPL is not business of charity service if players don't perform they will get dropped,that is why only top players will play IPL.

English player or ECB does not matter to IPL, EPL or what ever league ECB floats will never compete with IPL.

BCCI has scheduling advantage which no other board has , Big Bash or EPL or any other league has to compete with their own national team's schedule.

Eh?

It's a fact that IPL does not provide a multi-year contract, therefore you cannot claim the IPL provides financial security. This was the point I was making. The scheduling advantage is flimsy. All it takes is 2 boards to agree to play a series during the window, and the window is toast.

Again you letting your insecurities get the better of you, if you have confidence in the IPL, then you should not be worried when other T20 leagues will compete.
 
You mean like BCCI claimed they would never play in UAE or shift a tournament from India to suit Pakistan's need?

Got it.

BCCI saying they will or will not play in UAE has got nothing to do with IPL/BCCI financial clout.IPL can be held in Canada and it will still be more successful than all other leagues combined.
 
Eh?

It's a fact that IPL does not provide a multi-year contract, therefore you cannot claim the IPL provides financial security. This was the point I was making. The scheduling advantage is flimsy. All it takes is 2 boards to agree to play a series during the window, and the window is toast.

Again you letting your insecurities get the better of you, if you have confidence in the IPL, then you should not be worried when other T20 leagues will compete.

You and your hot air with zero knowledge as always. IPL gives 3 year contracts. YOu say IPL does not give multi year contracts. Like I suggested yesterday, this is all on google. Just read up on stuff to save embarrassment.
 
BCCI saying they will or will not play in UAE has got nothing to do with IPL/BCCI financial clout.IPL can be held in Canada and it will still be more successful than all other leagues combined.

I never said it had, I was pointing out when you say *It will never happen* I merely pointed out instances where the same was said, and it DID HAPPEN!

:)
 
ECB came and told you what they are working on? ECBs stance is clear that players will play IPL.

If ecb changes the stance it will be announced by them not by you on PP.

He has a point though. Nothing is permanent. Yes, ECB has been allowing its players to take part in IPL, but there's a strong possibility that's going to change soon with the introduction of EPL.

It's easily understandable that ECB will try to keep the exclusivity of EPL, hence might not allow English players to take part in IPL just like the way BCCI doesn't allow its players to play in any other t20 leagues.

Lastly, nothing is permanent. Look at where BCCI was couple of years back and where r they now. U gotta accept that BCCI is losing its ground really fast........ The empire is shaking..... :))
 
The principle is simple, avoid rewarding Pakistan with the benefits of Indian cricket unless it is harmful to Indian cricket.
 
It will make a difference when Australian and South African players will also not be allowed to play in IPL. THE days of BCCI R numbered. :))

You are leaving out one important component. $$. The leagues will have to match or exceed the players IPL deals for people to stick to their local leagues. Usually players go where the $$ is. There has been enough proof of this. That is how it works in the real world.

Nothing wrong with that though. You always want to maximize your earnings. Especially if your career span is short.
 
Eh?

It's a fact that IPL does not provide a multi-year contract, therefore you cannot claim the IPL provides financial security. This was the point I was making. The scheduling advantage is flimsy. All it takes is 2 boards to agree to play a series during the window, and the window is toast.

Again you letting your insecurities get the better of you, if you have confidence in the IPL, then you should not be worried when other T20 leagues will compete.

If overseas players are good enough and popular enough they will keep playing IPL if they are not they will not and that will be acceptable to any player.

IPL is doing well to all Indian domestic players so I don't see what is wrong with it.

I repeat there will be no other cricketing league as big as IPL in your and my life time.
 
ECB are about to change their stance again, but you are the one fretting over any other T20 league superseding or being equal to the IPL. I mentioned loyalty and commitment remember?

You need to move away from this MONEY IS EVERYTHING mentality. Maybe in India, money is everything, but go ask a young English player, or any young player, if he wants to play for their country, or a Mickey Mouse T20 league, and you will get the answer.

The next few years will change T20 franchise leagues. Mark my words.

Meanwhile the T20 franchise leagues have already changed very many things!
 
Eh?

It's a fact that IPL does not provide a multi-year contract, therefore you cannot claim the IPL provides financial security. This was the point I was making. The scheduling advantage is flimsy. All it takes is 2 boards to agree to play a series during the window, and the window is toast.

Again you letting your insecurities get the better of you, if you have confidence in the IPL, then you should not be worried when other T20 leagues will compete.

Not sure where you are getting these facts from. It's well known fact that IPL contracts are for 3 years. It's been the case since it's inception.
 
The BCCI cover-up story is of course, BCCI succumbed to a LETTER from a prince - not a phone call, email, WhatsApp, FB message, or through PR, but an old school LETTER - scented with Rose petals!

India has no choice but to bow and pay respect to UAE because next year IPL must shift from India to an alternate venue. What does this tell you about a nation’s ability to host a competition? A nation that is allegedly loaded with dosh, had clout, educated, yet has ZERO confidence in its ability to host a comp during elections? Yes sir ree, let’s kiss the hand of a Prince and show the world we cannot control our people during an election.

Hurt that despite Pakistan playing its entire cricket in UAE, Crown Prince didnt deemed it fit to talk to PCB but Bcci. I know how hurt posters here on PP were when ipl was held in UAE.

Who said Ipl 2019 will be in UAE? It may be in SA or may be UK. Who knows!

Btw can Pakistan hold a test series anytime let alone election time? I mean how many test matches in Pakistan in last 8 years? May be try to control the people of your country of origin.


Am not getting this Letter story. Couldnt find any thing about it, saw some UAE and LK news and they are saying something else. Only India media is stating this letter thing.

Lots of confusion about this.
 
The BCCI cover-up story is of course, BCCI succumbed to a LETTER from a prince - not a phone call, email, WhatsApp, FB message, or through PR, but an old school LETTER - scented with Rose petals!

India has no choice but to bow and pay respect to UAE because next year IPL must shift from India to an alternate venue. What does this tell you about a nation’s ability to host a competition? A nation that is allegedly loaded with dosh, had clout, educated, yet has ZERO confidence in its ability to host a comp during elections? Yes sir ree, let’s kiss the hand of a Prince and show the world we cannot control our people during an election.

Hurt that despite Pakistan playing its entire cricket in UAE, Crown Prince didnt deemed it fit to talk to PCB but Bcci. I know how hurt posters here on PP were when ipl was held in UAE.

Who said Ipl 2019 will be in UAE? It may be in SA or may be UK. Who knows!

Btw can Pakistan hold a test series anytime let alone election time? I mean how many test matches in Pakistan in last 8 years? May be try to control the people of your country of origin.

Money? Lol. Bcci makes more money than ICC.

Patriotism doesnot mean that the enemy be gifted 2 free points and hence helped.

Kudos to your mentality sir.

And yeah i got it. 2 points in a sports event >>>> Lives of Army Jawans :)

Thanks for en lighting me.
 
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