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Seven years ago a Thomson Reuters Foundation experts' survey found the five most dangerous countries for women were seen to be Afghanistan, Democratic Republic of Congo, Pakistan, India, and Somalia. This year we set out to see if the situation had changed. We wanted to find out whether more was being done to address the overall risks faced by women, and specifically regarding healthcare, access to economic resources, customary practices, sexual violence, non-sexual violence and human trafficking. We expanded our poll to the 10 most dangerous countries with some surprising results.

War-torn Afghanistan and Syria ranked second and third in the Thomson Reuters Foundation survey of about 550 experts on women’s issues, followed by Somalia and Saudi Arabia.

The only Western nation in the top 10 was the United States, which ranked joint third when respondents were asked where women were most at risk of sexual violence, harassment and being coerced into sex.

The poll was a repeat of a survey in 2011 that found experts saw Afghanistan, Democratic Republic of Congo, Pakistan, India, and Somalia as the most dangerous countries for women.

Experts said India moving to the top of poll showed not enough was being done to tackle the danger women faced, more than five years after the rape and murder of a student on a bus in Delhi made violence against women a national priority.

“India has shown utter disregard and disrespect for women ... rape, marital rapes, sexual assault and harassment, female infanticide has gone unabated,” said Manjunath Gangadhara, an official at the Karnataka state government.

“The (world’s) fastest growing economy and leader in space and technology is shamed for violence committed against women.”

Government data shows reported cases of crime against women rose by 83 percent between 2007 and 2016, when there were four cases of rape reported every hour.

The survey asked respondents which five of the 193 United Nations member states they thought were most dangerous for women and which country was worst in terms of healthcare, economic resources, cultural or traditional practices, sexual violence and harassment, non-sexual violence and human trafficking.

Respondents also ranked India the most dangerous country for women in terms of human trafficking, including sex slavery and domestic servitude, and for customary practices such as forced marriage, stoning and female infanticide.

India’s Ministry of Women and Child Development declined to comment on the survey results.

TRAPPED BY WAR

Afghanistan fared worst in four of the seven questions, with concerns over healthcare and conflict-related violence.

Kimberly Otis, director of advancement at Women for Afghan Women, said women and girls faced severe gender-based violence, abuse, illiteracy, poverty, and other human rights offences.

“The ongoing war and conflict are getting worse in Afghanistan, which puts the lives of women and girls at increasing risk,” said U.S.-based Otis, a survey participant.

Afghanistan’s Public Health Minister Ferozuddin Feroz said the deteriorating security situation was making life difficult for women, with large parts of the country still in the control of Taliban fighters after nearly 17 years of war.

“Nowadays, suicide bombings and armed conflict is the third (highest) cause of deaths and disability in Afghanistan,” he told the Thomson Reuters Foundation in an interview in London.

“Instead of focusing (spending) on maternal health, on nutritional status, we spend it on trauma.”

The impact of a seven-year war drove Syria into third place in the survey, amid concerns over access to healthcare and both sexual and non-sexual violence.

“There are so many dangers for girls and women,” said Maria Al Abdeh, executive director of Women Now For Development, which supports women’s centers in Syria.

“There is sexual violence by government forces. Domestic violence and child marriage are increasing and more women are dying in childbirth. The tragedy is nowhere near an end.”

Somalia, where more than two decades of war has fueled a culture of violence and weakened institutions meant to uphold the law, was again named as one of the five most dangerous countries for women.

Saudi Arabia ranked fifth, with women’s rights experts saying there had been some progress in recent years, but the recent arrests of female activists ahead of the lifting of a ban on women driving showed much more needed to be done.

“One of the worst laws that prevent women from having equal opportunities is guardianship - because every woman is subjected to a male guardian. She cannot get a passport, cannot travel, sometimes she cannot work,” said Ahlam Akram, founder of BASIRA (British Arabs Supporting Universal Women’s Rights) in the UK.

“We need to completely obliterate this system. I think change is coming, but it takes time.”

#METOO PUTS U.S. ON LIST

Experts said the surprise addition of the United States in the top 10 most dangerous countries for women came down to the #MeToo and Time’s Up campaigns against sexual harassment and violence that have dominated headlines for months.

“People want to think income means you’re protected from misogyny, and sadly that’s not the case,” said Cindy Southworth, executive vice president of the Washington-based National Network to End Domestic Violence.

“We are going to look back and see this as a very powerful tipping point ... We’re blowing the lid off and saying ‘#Metoo and Time’s Up’.”

Rounding out the top 10 most dangerous countries for women were Pakistan, Democratic Republic of Congo, Yemen and Nigeria.

India, Libya and Myanmar were considered the world’s most dangerous nations for women exploited by human traffickers in a global crime worth an estimated $150 billion a year. [L5N1SU4KZ]

“In many countries the simple fact of being female creates a heightened risk of becoming a victim of slavery,” said Nick Grono, chief executive of the Freedom Fund, the first private donor fund dedicated to ending slavery.

The poll of 548 people was conducted online, by phone and in person between March 26 and May 4 with an even spread across Europe, Africa, the Americas, South East Asia, South Asia and the Pacific.

Respondents included aid professionals, academics, healthcare staff, non-government organization workers, policy-makers, development specialists and social commentators.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...exual-violence-rife-global-poll-idUSKBN1JM01X
 
This is poll, not actual data. The data says that India is one of the safest countries in the world:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#By_country

https://www.trendrr.net/13049/countries-with-highest-rape-crime-famous-global-statistics/

"Respondents included aid professionals, academics, healthcare staff, non-government organization workers, policy-makers, development specialists and social commentators." In other words, a poll of ignorants done by idiots.

Just because you dont like the results doesn't make it wrong

Read about Reuters and their integrity.
 
Just because you dont like the results doesn't make it wrong

Read about Reuters and their integrity.

Where should I read about Reuters and its integrity?

I have a poor opinion of the Western mainstream media of which Reuters is an integral part.

I like to believe in actual numbers, rather than biased opinions sampled with polls.
 
This is poll, not actual data. The data says that India is one of the safest countries in the world:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#By_country

https://www.trendrr.net/13049/countries-with-highest-rape-crime-famous-global-statistics/

"Respondents included aid professionals, academics, healthcare staff, non-government organization workers, policy-makers, development specialists and social commentators." In other words, a poll of ignorants done by idiots.

What makes you think the people who did the poll were idiots? Do you have any data to support this claim or is it just an opinion?
 
What makes you think the people who did the poll were idiots? Do you have any data to support this claim or is it just an opinion?

If people offer opinions that run completely contrary to the data from the real world, then they are ignorant. The data from the real world is there in my post that you quoted.

Reuters is an idiot as they did not quote the data from the real world as any competent news agency should have done in a report. Instead they just offered an opinion poll.
 
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Keyboard warrior logic: I don't like the results of the survey/study so the people who did it are idiots.
 
I take it you've never traveled around the States then? and I don't mean the usual tourist spots.

Chicago is the murder capital of the world but you would never hear that in the media
 
If people offer opinions that run completely contrary to the data from the real world, then they are ignorant. The data from the real world is there in my post that you quoted.

Reuters is an idiot as they did not quote the data from the real world as any competent news agency should have done in a report. Instead they just offered an opinion poll.

Even in the wiki source you posted they make a disclaimer which says

This table indicates the number of, and per capita cases of recorded rape by country. It does not, and of course cannot, include cases of rape which go unreported or unrecorded.[12][13] It does not specify whether recorded means reported, brought to trial, or convicted. Each entry is based on that country's definition of rape, which varies widely throughout the world. The list does not include the estimated rape statistics of the countries, per year, such as South Africa having 500,000 rapes per year,[14] China having 31,833 rapes a year,[15] Egypt having more than 200,000 rapes a year,[16] and the United Kingdom at 85,000 rapes a year.[17]

So in this case, the data is probably pretty worthless as in the subcontinent rapes often go unreported due to the shame associated with it.
 
Even in the wiki source you posted they make a disclaimer which says

This table indicates the number of, and per capita cases of recorded rape by country. It does not, and of course cannot, include cases of rape which go unreported or unrecorded.[12][13] It does not specify whether recorded means reported, brought to trial, or convicted. Each entry is based on that country's definition of rape, which varies widely throughout the world. The list does not include the estimated rape statistics of the countries, per year, such as South Africa having 500,000 rapes per year,[14] China having 31,833 rapes a year,[15] Egypt having more than 200,000 rapes a year,[16] and the United Kingdom at 85,000 rapes a year.[17]

So in this case, the data is probably pretty worthless as in the subcontinent rapes often go unreported due to the shame associated with it.

Flawed data is still better than mere opinions based on prejudices.

Combine the (flawed) data with articles from multiple sources and you have better understanding of the world. For example read the following article about the rape culture of South Africa. I haven't found any article about that talks of a similar culture in India.

Gang rape -- jackrolling -- has become a youth-cult in South Africa. The thousands of armed youth gangs in the sprawling township of Soweto near Johannesburg have just one aim: to impregnate every woman under age 26. They form hunting packs to find their victims each night.
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/264956#ixzz5JXpT1eUH

Also look at the rate of AIDS. The article says:

One of the main reasons why HIV-AIDS is at such a high level in South Africa, with some 6-million people now infected with the human-immune-deficiency virus which leads to deadly AIDS, is rape.

You may not believe rape statistics, but rapes should be correlated with AIDS. India has an AIDS rate of 0.3%, whereas SA has a rate that is 63 times higher at 18.90%. Yet the fools who answered the survey believe that India is more dangerous that SA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate

The final addition to your information set should be personal experience. Having lived in India for a few decades I know Indian women quite well. They don't take any sh** from anyone!
 
I take it you've never traveled around the States then? and I don't mean the usual tourist spots.

so you think usa is more dangerous than south american countries

if you visit counties like El Salvador or honduras it will make usa most dangerous areas look like disneyland
 
Flawed data is still better than mere opinions based on prejudices.

Combine the (flawed) data with articles from multiple sources and you have better understanding of the world. For example read the following article about the rape culture of South Africa. I haven't found any article about that talks of a similar culture in India.



Also look at the rate of AIDS. The article says:



You may not believe rape statistics, but rapes should be correlated with AIDS. India has an AIDS rate of 0.3%, whereas SA has a rate that is 63 times higher at 18.90%. Yet the fools who answered the survey believe that India is more dangerous that SA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate

The final addition to your information set should be personal experience. Having lived in India for a few decades I know Indian women quite well. They don't take any sh** from anyone!

So what you are saying we should take your opinion as an anonymous poster as more representative than the Indian based experts who are quoted in the OP article, whom you dismiss as idiots?

Since you put a lot of store on data, that is why I was asking whether you had any data to prove the experts in that article were in fact idiots so we can dismiss their opinions.
 
“India has shown utter disregard and disrespect for women ... rape, marital rapes, sexual assault and harassment, female infanticide has gone unabated,” said Manjunath Gangadhara, an official at the Karnataka state government.

“The (world’s) fastest growing economy and leader in space and technology is shamed for violence committed against women.”

That is the verdict of the Indian official who has backed the poll, she does seem to have a view which would differ from yours.
 
Laughable. Looks like some idiots in the country upset with the ruling dispensation want to vent their frustration. I can only laugh at this poll.
 
So what you are saying we should take your opinion as an anonymous poster as more representative than the Indian based experts who are quoted in the OP article, whom you dismiss as idiots?

Since you put a lot of store on data, that is why I was asking whether you had any data to prove the experts in that article were in fact idiots so we can dismiss their opinions.

Are you even reading my posts before hitting reply? You didn't like the data on rape stats I provided, so I provided data on prevalence of AIDS which you ignored. How exactly is 0.3% for India and 18.9% for SA merely my opinion?

Also I provided a link to an article which describes the rape culture in SA, which also you ignored. Any "expert" who claims India is more dangerous for women than SA is not a mere idiot, but a ripe idiot.
 
Are you even reading my posts before hitting reply? You didn't like the data on rape stats I provided, so I provided data on prevalence of AIDS. How exactly is 0.3% for India and 18.9% for SA merely my opinion?

Also I provided a link to an article which describes the rape culture in SA. Any "expert" who claims India is more dangerous for women than SA is not a mere idiot, but a ripe idiot.

Captain is just toying with you. Do you think he reads your data? Your desperation to prove yourself right is his reward.
 
so you think usa is more dangerous than south american countries

if you visit counties like El Salvador or honduras it will make usa most dangerous areas look like disneyland

There is a thing like context.
Before you reply with a pathetic post why not read who was replying to and in what context.
 
Are you even reading my posts before hitting reply? You didn't like the data on rape stats I provided, so I provided data on prevalence of AIDS which you ignored. How exactly is 0.3% for India and 18.9% for SA merely my opinion?

Also I provided a link to an article which describes the rape culture in SA, which also you ignored. Any "expert" who claims India is more dangerous for women than SA is not a mere idiot, but a ripe idiot.

Are you even reading my posts before hitting reply? I wasn't questioning the selective data which you posted, I was asking for data to prove that the expert quoted was an idiot. He/she made no such comparison with SA by the way.
 
That is the verdict of the Indian official who has backed the poll, she does seem to have a view which would differ from yours.

Whats the rank of that official? Why isnt that mentioned? Even a clerk is a govt official.

Has Reuters mentioned who are the participants from India?

Even the other participants named are mostly NGOs.
 
That is the verdict of the Indian official who has backed the poll, she does seem to have a view which would differ from yours.

India has literally hundreds of thousands of state government officials. Why should this official's opinion be given special weight (even though obviously Reuters found it consistent with whatever story it was pushing)?
 
Are you even reading my posts before hitting reply? I wasn't questioning the selective data which you posted, I was asking for data to prove that the expert quoted was an idiot. He/she made no such comparison with SA by the way.

Read and think! You wrote "Indian based experts who are quoted in the OP article, whom you dismiss as idiots?" You used the plural and not the singular.

The "experts" of the article are the ones who rated SA as safer than India. If that doesn't make them idiots, I don't know what would!
 
India has literally hundreds of thousands of state government officials. Why should this official's opinion be given special weight (even though obviously Reuters found it consistent with whatever story it was pushing)?

No one even knows what post the guy is holding.
 
Keyboard warrior logic: I don't like the results of the survey/study so the people who did it are idiots.

Keyboard warrior, me? Dude, you have 10X the number of posts I have.
 
It probably isn't but it has to do with the image coming out of India. And, Indian can't do anything to stop those images.

As long as the foreigners (Caucasian white female), minorities are raped by militant, Indian can cry all they want but the opinion(based on facts, because only ISIS and militant rape and sexually abuse minority) will remain consistent.
 
It probably isn't but it has to do with the image coming out of India. And, Indian can't do anything to stop those images.

As long as the foreigners (Caucasian white female), minorities are raped by militant, Indian can cry all they want but the opinion(based on facts, because only ISIS and militant rape and sexually abuse minority) will remain consistent.

Fortunately large investors do a bit more research before making investment decisions. As an Indian, I care a little but not much about foreign perceptions as long as India remains the fastest growing major economy:

https://www.livemint.com/Politics/T...a-as-fastest-growing-economy-for-next-th.html
 
Fortunately large investors do a bit more research before making investment decisions. As an Indian, I care a little but not much about foreign perceptions as long as India remains the fastest growing major economy:

https://www.livemint.com/Politics/T...a-as-fastest-growing-economy-for-next-th.html

largest economy and sexually abusing foreigners out of desperation are two different issues.

Suicide is probably high in US, a largest economy in the world.

But I understand the desperation and resorting to "economy" defense.

Honestly, I do not understand the defense and justification instead of promoting to end sexual abuse in India and promoting harmony.

You are wasting your time here with your selective bias data. Try it with someone else.
 
largest economy and sexually abusing foreigners out of desperation are two different issues.

You are confused now. In your previous post you seemed to understand that it was a wrong perception that India is most dangerous for women when you wrote "It probably isn't but it has to do with the image coming out of India". Now you seem to think it is true.

As for "sexually abusing foreigners out of desperation" you seem to be falling prey to Western stereotypes. There are millions of tourists to come to a country of over a billion people, which... surprise, surprise... has a few criminals!

A few incidents from a few criminals in a country of over a billion doesn't mean that the population is desperate.

Suicide is probably high in US, a largest economy in the world.

But I understand the desperation and resorting to "economy" defense.

Honestly, I do not understand the defense and justification instead of promoting to end sexual abuse in India and promoting harmony.

You are wasting your time here with your selective bias data. Try it with someone else.

What? No more answers from me to you unless I see something sensible.
 
You are confused now. In your previous post you seemed to understand that it was a wrong perception that India is most dangerous for women when you wrote "It probably isn't but it has to do with the image coming out of India". Now you seem to think it is true.

As for "sexually abusing foreigners out of desperation" you seem to be falling prey to Western stereotypes. There are millions of tourists to come to a country of over a billion people, which... surprise, surprise... has a few criminals!

A few incidents from a few criminals in a country of over a billion doesn't mean that the population is desperate.



What? No more answers from me to you unless I see something sensible.

my response was self-explanatory in simplest English.

I suggest you to try reading it slowly.

What? you won't be wasting your time searching for bias data to response your pre-formed agenda driven response to honest point raised. I hope you are utilizing that time to promote sexual abuse of women in India, no matter how small and insignificant ( another useless defense) that number you might think may be.
 
Not surprised at all. For girls and women it is not safe at all. Despos je##ing off infront of girls in the bus, cars, trees are prime example of this.

NRI's like Napa should be the last one to defend this news. These guys run away from India to give themselves a safe and better life but become very patriotic when anything like this pop up.

I travelled alot in buses and cars .but not seen someone jer##ing off. Which bus you normally take ? You also live near delhi i guess.
And have you travelled abroad ?how can you compare with other countries then ? These NRI like napa can give us more precised view because they have travelled and seen the world
Moreover,there is a women safty issue in india.Nobody denies that but by saying that it is worst then i seriously have to consider that person's intelligence.
 
There is a thing like context.
Before you reply with a pathetic post why not read who was replying to and in what context.

ok i can understand what you are saying

but still do you believe that usa is more dangerous than south Africa for women
as per this article
 
Not surprised at all. For girls and women it is not safe at all. Despos je##ing off infront of girls in the bus, cars, trees are prime example of this.

NRI's like Napa should be the last one to defend this news. These guys run away from India to give themselves a safe and better life but become very patriotic when anything like this pop up.

As a society what can be done? As the internet sexualises societies more and more, and young men hear about easy sex in western countries and in addition you have a massive imbalance between the genders in Ind, this problem can only get worse.
 
I travelled alot in buses and cars .but not seen someone jer##ing off. Which bus you normally take ? You also live near delhi i guess.
And have you travelled abroad ?how can you compare with other countries then ? These NRI like napa can give us more precised view because they have travelled and seen the world
Moreover,there is a women safty issue in india.Nobody denies that but by saying that it is worst then i seriously have to consider that person's intelligence.
You really have no idea then. 4 months girls getting raped, women getting raped and getting branches of trees inserted in their private parts by these inhumans and you have no idea of what is happening in India? Sorry but I can't take guys like you and that Napa seriously who can go to any length to defend these rapists just to win points in a discussion. You are just another bunch of blind patriots who have no idea of whats happening in India these days.

I have to really consider that person's intelligence who thinks places like Delhi, Gurugram, UP, Bihar are safe for women.

And we are talking about India here. Your friend hasn't lived in every country on this planet. People living in India know more than those NRI's who run away to get a better life outside.
 
As a society what can be done? As the internet sexualises societies more and more, and young men hear about easy sex in western countries and in addition you have a massive imbalance between the genders in Ind, this problem can only get worse.

Let's start by accepting that there is a problem rather than bringing up numbers to show how this and that country has more rapes than us. We are at 4 blah blah. Speaking from an experience because I live in Delhi.
 
You really have no idea then. 4 months girls getting raped, women getting raped and getting branches of trees inserted in their private parts by these inhumans and you have no idea of what is happening in India? Sorry but I can't take guys like you and that Napa seriously who can go to any length to defend these rapists just to win points in a discussion. You are just another bunch of blind patriots who have no idea of whats happening in India these days.

I have to really consider that person's intelligence who thinks places like Delhi, Gurugram, UP, Bihar are safe for women.

And we are talking about India here. Your friend hasn't lived in every country on this planet. People living in India know more than those NRI's who run away to get a better life outside.

I asked you a simple question . Which buses you take ? Let us make a deal i also live in delhi and lets both board some buses and even if you tell me one men doing that thing or more precisely even if we take 100 buses and you find one man doing that in one bus. You won the argument.
You know the population of delhi ncr is greater than canada or australia and maximum amount of countries in the world.
If you know simple maths you would know that which place is safer. Yes you can argue that law is very sttict against culprits abroad whereas in india ,it gets difficult due to many logical reasons.
But by saying that crimes happen in india is worst out of 190 odd countries. Are you kidding me ?
 
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I asked you a simple question . Which buses you take ? Let us make a deal i also live in delhi and lets both board some buses and even if you tell me one men doing that thing or more precisely even if we take 100 buses and you find one man doing that in one bus. You won the argument.
You know the population of delhi ncr is greater than canada or australia and maximum amount of countries in the world.
If you know simple maths you would know that which place is safer. Yes you can argue that law is very sttict against culprits abroad whereas in india ,it gets difficult due to many logical reasons.
But by saying that crimes happen in india is worst out of 190 odd countries. Are you kidding me ?

Not here to win arguments but since you requested here is the link

https://m.timesofindia.com/videos/c...-du-girl-uploads-video/videoshow/62888049.cms

I am surprised you didn't know about this. This was posted few months ago. There have been a quite a few incident reported.Come out of your shining india blanket may be then you will see this.
 
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Not here to win arguments unlike you. But since you requested here is the link

https://m.timesofindia.com/videos/c...-du-girl-uploads-video/videoshow/62888049.cms

I am surprised you didn't know about this. This was posted few months ago. There have been a quite a few incident reported? Come out of your shining india blanket may be then you will see this.

Please put more stats that how many buses operate daily in delhi ncr . Do you even know the number ?
Liki i told you ,simple maths basics are all you need.That's why i gave you option one out of hundred otherwise i wud have given you option like one in thousands.

Oh c'mmon we know you try hard to present yourself as more liberal and logical. But there are some sensible topics which need more understanding
 
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I asked you a simple question . Which buses you take ? Let us make a deal i also live in delhi and lets both board some buses and even if you tell me one men doing that thing or more precisely even if we take 100 buses and you find one man doing that in one bus. You won the argument.
You know the population of delhi ncr is greater than canada or australia and maximum amount of countries in the world.
If you know simple maths you would know that which place is safer. Yes you can argue that law is very sttict against culprits abroad whereas in india ,it gets difficult due to many logical reasons.
But by saying that crimes happen in india is worst out of 190 odd countries. Are you kidding me ?

You are ridiculous, you making it seem like that if only all of the Indian men were to be involved in sexual violence then India should be put in bad light other than it is not relevant and only then people of India should take any action. A ridiculous and immature defense to protect your nationalism and patriotism.
 
And your defense/argument of 'numbers' is getting boring and played out, you need to come up with something better to stay relevant.
 
You are ridiculous, you making it seem like that if only all of the Indian men were to be involved in sexual violence then India should be put in bad light other than it is not relevant and only then people of India should take any action. A ridiculous and immature defense to protect your nationalism and patriotism.

What ridiculous attempt ? if there are two places and there are 60 crimes in one place out of 500 and 30 crimes out of 100 in other place. Which place is safer?
Nobody denies that problem doesnt exist in india. It does exist . And we seriously need to consider this and even our politicians are accussed of rapes here. What more you expect .but by saying that india is worst ,we cant even buy this theory.it is far far from reality
 
Please put more stats that how many buses operate daily in delhi ncr . Do you even know the number ?
Liki i told you ,simple maths basics are all you need.That's why i gave you option one out of hundred otherwise i wud have given you option like one in thousands.

Oh c'mmon we know you try hard to present yourself as more liberal and logical. But there are some sensible topics which need more understanding

you asked me to post one incident I did. You lost the argument. Update your spreadsheet which you guys maintain.
 
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And your defense/argument of 'numbers' is getting boring and played out, you need to come up with something better to stay relevant.

Borng because it has no answer ?Care to present facts ? Relevant ? What facts do you have to stay relevant. I can present number and facts . What you will present ??
 
What ridiculous attempt ? if there are two places and there are 60 crimes in one place out of 500 and 30 crimes out of 100 in other place. Which place is safer?
Nobody denies that problem doesnt exist in india. It does exist . And we seriously need to consider this and even our politicians are accussed of rapes here. What more you expect .but by saying that india is worst ,we cant even buy this theory.it is far far from reality

like i have said, number game is getting boring and played out.

it is a weak defense.

when minority and foreigners are raped it is recognized internationally no matter how small of a number it is.

welcome to real world.

123456789, since like number.
 
You are ridiculous, you making it seem like that if only all of the Indian men were to be involved in sexual violence then India should be put in bad light other than it is not relevant and only then people of India should take any action. A ridiculous and immature defense to protect your nationalism and patriotism.

Exactly. Even one incident in your locality is good enough to make you feel unsafe about women in your house. This guy is a blind patriot. May be he forgot Nirbhaya too who was raped in a moving bus and iron rods were inserted into her. He claims to live in Delhi but has no idea of whats happening here.
 
Exactly. Even one incident in your locality is good enough to make you feel unsafe about women in your house. This guy is a blind patriot. May be he forgot Nirbhaya too who was raped in a moving bus and iron rods were inserted into her. He claims to live in Delhi but has no idea of whats happening here.

Somebody try to explain this man some sense. So not even a single incident happened in america or australia or canada or anywhere in the world. By your logics one incident is enough to make you feel unsafe.
Who denies that india is unsafe for women but so as lot of countries .but saying india is worst out of 190 countries ,its non sensible thing.
I am talking logical.if i was patriotic i would have already send you to pakistan like the defination of patriotism revolves in our country these days.
 
I wonder if people have actually gone to the trouble of reading the report. It isn't just ranking countries on rape rates as a lot seem to think, but on a range of factors that are (rightfully) deemed reprehensible realities faced by women.

These include trafficking, forced marriage, infanticide of girls, forced labor and cultural and religious traditions that negatively impact women. You may argue that not all those should be clumped together or weighted the same (since arguably men could be in forced labor, or even forced into marriage so it is 'equally' bad, rather than societal norms targeting women exclusively) but that's what the report has done.

Even factoring in massive underreporting of things like sexual abuse and rape in countries like KSA, I don't think anyone would claim those issues are anywhere near close to widespread in their society. Yet it is in the list or worst places to be a woman, simply because of the massive restrictions women there face which negatively impacts them in other ways.

So it's a combination of the factors the report takes into account. You can still probably make a case for India not being the worst, but really it's a little embarrassing how defensive us desis get when we are shown a mirror.
 
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Also, not sure if we have many Indian female posters on PP (or female posters in general!) but I would be pretty keen to hear what they have to say. It's a little bemusing having men exclusively comment on the female experience in our societies.

I remember an aunt telling me how she had a job where she had to drive so far, the salary she got from the job was almost entirely spent on fuel for the drive to and from work. I pompously told her she should consider taking the bus then!

It was the resigned manner of her reply saying it wasn't a good idea for a young woman to be doing that, which actually opened my eyes to my own ignorance/naivety. Before that I would have told you women had nothing to fear in pious pakistan...

But yes on that point would be interesting to hear women share their experiences from either India/Pak. Whether they feel the countries are as bad as the report suggests?
 
But you said you dnt believe in numbers.you believe in some report without using your brain.

I think I’ve dropped few IQ points after engaging with you in a discussion.

I believe in number when presented in context and not to defend nationalism, especially when Indian female themselves are regularly raising the voice against sexual violence
 
Even factoring in massive underreporting of things like sexual abuse and rape in countries like KSA, I don't think anyone would claim those issues are anywhere near close to widespread in their society.

Obviously if a woman enters her husband's house when she marries and departs 40 years later after her death, there is going to be less opportunity for criminals to assault her. Indian women would say, thanks but no thanks!
 
Somebody try to explain this man some sense. So not even a single incident happened in america or australia or canada or anywhere in the world. By your logics one incident is enough to make you feel unsafe.
Who denies that india is unsafe for women but so as lot of countries .but saying india is worst out of 190 countries ,its non sensible thing.
I am talking logical.if i was patriotic i would have already send you to pakistan like the defination of patriotism revolves in our country these days.

Obviously you can't explain anything to anyone who only wants to talk about the dozen incidents of assault publicized by the media. It is too difficult for them to understand when judging a country of over a billion, it is NOT individual cases which matter but the per capita numbers.
 
Strange culture, instead of understanding that there may be a sexual violence problem in your country (regardless if it happens in other countries), you just dismiss the article.
 
I think I’ve dropped few IQ points after engaging with you in a discussion.

I believe in number when presented in context and not to defend nationalism, especially when Indian female themselves are regularly raising the voice against sexual violence

Were we not discussing the numbers in context of this article ?
I am amazed that you only have lost few IQ points.i expected you wud have been left with nothing
More and more women needed in india to raise strong voice against any sort of violence .why only women ,all sections of society needed to take this much seriously. And people have started to take things bit seriously somehow
 
Were we not discussing the numbers in context of this article ?
I am amazed that you only have lost few IQ points.i expected you wud have been left with nothing
More and more women needed in india to raise strong voice against any sort of violence .why only women ,all sections of society needed to take this much seriously. And people have started to take things bit seriously somehow

Just for entertainment. What’s the required number?
 
India’s Shame

The world’s largest democracy is also its most dangerous for women

Misogyny in India is not a modern phenomenon. In 1829, as governor-general of India, Lord Bentinck banned the practice of Sati, in which widows were burnt alive on their husbands’ funeral pyres. New laws were required against Sati as recently as 1988. Indian governments still worry about “bride burning”, whereby dowry disputes culminate in a young woman being burned by her husband with kerosene. Thousands of women die this way every year.

This week the Thomson Reuters Foundation released a survey that found India to be the most dangerous country in the world for women in terms of sexual violence, human trafficking, forced marriage, child marriage, sexual slavery, acid attacks, female genital mutilation and domestic abuse. For the world’s largest democracy, this is shaming. Many Indians will still use the euphemism “eve-teasing” when they mean sexual harassment, spanning the spectrum from disparaging remarks to public groping.

Since the gang rape of the student Jyoti Singh in Delhi in 2012, after which she died, governments have made a point of at least claiming to be taking sexual violence seriously. Yet even if rising figures may be a result of a greater willingness among women to approach authorities, the numbers are horrific. In 2016, nearly 40,000 cases of rape were reported, the equivalent of more than 100 a day. It is a fair assumption that the true numbers are far, far higher. Human rights organisations report systematic disbelief, disparagement and disdain for rape victims in police stations and even in hospitals. As recently as 2013, India’s supreme court banned the unpleasantly named “two finger test”, used by medics to assess whether victims were virgins, yet it is still widely used. By global standards, and particularly in rural areas, attitudes are barbaric.

Earlier this year in Kashmir, Asifa Bano, an eight-year-old Muslim girl, was held captive and gang raped for days by a group of Hindus. Even amid widespread national revulsion, Narendra Modi, the Hindu nationalist prime minister, appeared initially reluctant to comment on something he clearly regarded as first and foremost an inter-community dispute.

Sexual violence is unquestionably a tool of male oppression, as seen only this week in the northeastern state of Jharkhand, when five female activists protesting against sexual trafficking were gang raped by a group of armed men. The broader picture is one of a country that is failing almost all tests of sexual equality. Only a quarter of Indian women participate in the workforce, a figure lower than in any other G20 country bar Saudi Arabia. In neighbouring China, which India still regards as its main geopolitical rival, the figure is above two-thirds. Out of 131 countries ranked by the International Labour Organisation for workforce participation, India comes 121st.

There may be no quick solutions but there are some essential first steps. As in the case of Asifa Bano, there is evidence that states run by Mr Modi’s Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party are particularly likely to dismiss rape claims from women of ethnic minorities. India must prosecute sexual crimes with energy, and purge itself of police officers and judges who are unwilling to do so. Most of all, the government needs to foster an understanding that misogyny, however traditional its roots, is where sexual violence begins.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/india-s-shame-5b7lzdg60


The Times ran a headline commentary on the poll today highlighting how seriously it is taken abroad.
 
The commies and the NGOs are getting desperate and their frustration is coming out through such articles. These are good signs.
 
The commies and the NGOs are getting desperate and their frustration is coming out through such articles. These are good signs.

The Times is the most highly respected news publication in Britain, acknowledged the world over for it's quality content, such that most other countries have adopted the name for their own print and digital media. This article isn't just some lone journalist either, it is part of the leading comment section which represents the edition's view for the day.

Of course Napa might be along shortly to tell us this is also a bunch of idiots waffling about issues they have no knowledge of, and I will have to consider it seriously as no doubt he will provide data to back up this view.
 
The Times is the most highly respected news publication in Britain, acknowledged the world over for it's quality content, such that most other countries have adopted the name for their own print and digital media. This article isn't just some lone journalist either, it is part of the leading comment section which represents the edition's view for the day.

Of course Napa might be along shortly to tell us this is also a bunch of idiots waffling about issues they have no knowledge of, and I will have to consider it seriously as no doubt he will provide data to back up this view.

doesnt matter whether the times is respected and by whom. they should focus on the rape culture in britain first. India is doing well and such trashy articles are only sign that india is on the right path.
 
There may be no quick solutions but there are some essential first steps. As in the case of Asifa Bano, there is evidence that states run by Mr Modi’s Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party are particularly likely to dismiss rape claims from women of ethnic minorities.

ISI and Pak army conspiracy?


For those who has been keep harping about that world doesn't think the same of India as Pakistani on this forum, well, Cheers mate!
 
ISI and Pak army conspiracy?


For those who has been keep harping about that world doesn't think the same of India as Pakistani on this forum, well, Cheers mate!

Where is that evidence this trashy article is talking about?

Indians should not care what some biased media houses think. Dogs bark when an elephant walks.
 
doesnt matter whether the times is respected and by whom. they should focus on the rape culture in britain first. India is doing well and such trashy articles are only sign that india is on the right path.

[MENTION=136571]akki[/MENTION]

Yeah India is on the right path.

3 more rapes were reported today

Canadian Woman Allegedly Raped By Man She Met At Pub In Delhi's Hauz Khas


https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/can...an-she-met-at-pub-in-delhis-hauz-khas-1874287


Class 12 Girl Allegedly Gang-Raped By Five Men For Three Days In Himachal

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/a-class-12-student-was-allegedly-raped-by-five-3-arrested-1873980


DCP booked for raping woman constable's daughter in Aurangabad

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...e-s-daughter-in-aurangabad-1270992-2018-06-27
 
[MENTION=136571]akki[/MENTION]

Yeah India is on the right path.

3 more rapes were reported today

Canadian Woman Allegedly Raped By Man She Met At Pub In Delhi's Hauz Khas


https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/can...an-she-met-at-pub-in-delhis-hauz-khas-1874287


Class 12 Girl Allegedly Gang-Raped By Five Men For Three Days In Himachal

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/a-class-12-student-was-allegedly-raped-by-five-3-arrested-1873980


DCP booked for raping woman constable's daughter in Aurangabad

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...e-s-daughter-in-aurangabad-1270992-2018-06-27

Isolated incidents which happen in most developed countries. Don't know why it has to be used to build a narrative to try and score points.
 
[MENTION=136571]akki[/MENTION]

Yeah India is on the right path.

3 more rapes were reported today

Canadian Woman Allegedly Raped By Man She Met At Pub In Delhi's Hauz Khas


https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/can...an-she-met-at-pub-in-delhis-hauz-khas-1874287


Class 12 Girl Allegedly Gang-Raped By Five Men For Three Days In Himachal

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/a-class-12-student-was-allegedly-raped-by-five-3-arrested-1873980


DCP booked for raping woman constable's daughter in Aurangabad

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...e-s-daughter-in-aurangabad-1270992-2018-06-27

Only strict law and order can improve things but when netas and even policemen like dcp are involved what more to expect ? But our indian women are doing great. Its not all unsafe. Many indian women are working women these days and even do night shifts at offices..
You cannot roam after 12 am with your mrs in every part of 190 countries. That's also reality.
As india is going progressive,sadly there is conflict with narrow minded people and it also leads to crimes like rape. Plus earlier normal age of marriage was around 20for boys and 16-18 for girls. But now it has been extended up to 28-30.
And not every person can afford lover in country like india. So this also lead to some frustation.
We can point out plenty of reasons for rapes. But one thing is for sure you need to punish all the rapists and that too early.
 
Only strict law and order can improve things but when netas and even policemen like dcp are involved what more to expect ? But our indian women are doing great. Its not all unsafe. Many indian women are working women these days and even do night shifts at offices..
You cannot roam after 12 am with your mrs in every part of 190 countries. That's also reality.
As india is going progressive,sadly there is conflict with narrow minded people and it also leads to crimes like rape. Plus earlier normal age of marriage was around 20for boys and 16-18 for girls. But now it has been extended up to 28-30.
And not every person can afford lover in country like india. So this also lead to some frustation.
We can point out plenty of reasons for rapes. But one thing is for sure you need to punish all the rapists and that too early.

Don't you see the idea behind such articles? Especially ones not backed by data but only by opinions of people with vested interests. Especially when there is something ugly going on in UK which is brushed under the carpet. Losers like the Times are doing virtue signalling when they should show courage and try to do something about the dark culture in UK.
 
Don't you see the idea behind such articles? Especially ones not backed by data but only by opinions of people with vested interests. Especially when there is something ugly going on in UK which is brushed under the carpet. Losers like the Times are doing virtue signalling when they should show courage and try to do something about the dark culture in UK.

He is actually right to be concerned about our women and its definately a larger issue to handle. Nobody can deny that. But what he doesnt understand ,in recent times there has been articles especially these 2 -3 publishers who first said minorities are worst in india than anywhere and then rape is worst crime in india then anywhere in the world.
They think like we indians are fool and they can manupulate the whole world with this perception. Nobody gives a damn. China doesnt even care to share data ever loll..we know how things are like all over world.
These same publishers even made fun when india send mars mission ,saying indians have poorest people. Why need to do this.
We know as a nation we are moving to right direction.
 
Surprising that in forced marriage and stoning categories that India comes top, female infanticide one can agree, as for rapes, sexual violence, one could say that more and more cases are being reported as parts of India modernise rather than any actual increase, lots of Muslim countries in the top ten list, albeit half of them war-torn. There are no winners here.

And to think most abuse and violence sexual or otherwise against women and children are committed in the home.
 
Don't you see the idea behind such articles? Especially ones not backed by data but only by opinions of people with vested interests. Especially when there is something ugly going on in UK which is brushed under the carpet. Losers like the Times are doing virtue signalling when they should show courage and try to do something about the dark culture in UK.

Why would the UK Times have any agenda against India? This is taking conspiracy theory to a new level, UK is 6000 miles away, if they needed to divert attention from problems at home, I am sure they could pick a closer target.
 
Why would the UK Times have any agenda against India? This is taking conspiracy theory to a new level, UK is 6000 miles away, if they needed to divert attention from problems at home, I am sure they could pick a closer target.

why is this so called respected times group not declaring a war against the filthy sexual harrassment and grooming culture in the UK? I didn't say they have an agenda...they are cowards who are doing virtue signalling by focussing on india, which is doing great btw!!
 
Sexual violence is equally high in Pakistan if not more, but the difference is that the majority of the cases in Pakistan are not reported and for good reason. The poor victim is shamed even more if she comes out in public.
 
Sexual violence is equally high in Pakistan if not more, but the difference is that the majority of the cases in Pakistan are not reported and for good reason. The poor victim is shamed even more if she comes out in public.

Doesn't victim shaming still exist in large parts of India? Also, not that I know for sure, but I would have thought as regards to female infanticide India must be in a league of their own. There are no winners, everyone arguing that they beat their wife less than the next man.
 
Doesn't victim shaming still exist in large parts of India? Also, not that I know for sure, but I would have thought as regards to female infanticide India must be in a league of their own. There are no winners, everyone arguing that they beat their wife less than the next man.

Probably happens in India as well, but they are still more progressive than us as a nation.
 
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