India now as autocratic as Pakistan, worse than Bangladesh: Sweden institute’s Democracy Report

[ftbno1]

First things first - democracy is overrated, and a failed system for development. Why? For one no democratic nation implements true democracy - one man one vote - most votes wins. Secondly, when everyone chimes in, progress is minimal.

Look at UK. Democracy has lead to countless delays in infrastructure development because everyone who has a voice wants to be heard the loudest. 3rd Runway at Heathrow is a good example, 25 years and still no decision. USA is another example; one president comes in and makes changes, the next will revert most changes - endless cycle.

There is very little progress in a democratic system. Of course when one man one vote was implemented (EU referendum) - the result was not accepted by those in power, and I don't have to explain what happened next.

Democracy actually guarantees the voice of the minority - this is it. Nothing more nothing less.

In contrast an autocratic system is proven to be successful when it comes to development. China is a top example. One man makes the decision. Look at China now. While UK still pander and debate the 3rd runway, China have gone and built 100s of Airports!

Russia and UAE are also good examples. Russia has made so much progress in the past 20 years that it's not even funny. Putin calls the shots. UAE, you all get it, has completely changed.

Autocracy follows the simple principle of Chain of Command.

There is a caveat, the top guy in an autocracy must be genuine, and not an evil 'dictator'.

Remember, UK ruled the waves and the world when the King/Queen were calling the shots. Now look at UK, down in the dumps because people are given the choice, and the people are fickle minded.

Democracy is nothing but an illusion. Autocracy isthe forwards.

HA Ha ha this is funny

 

[daytrader]

Rahul Gandhi Detained Amid Massive Congress Protest In Delhi: 10 Points
Delhi police had denied permission to the Congress for holding a protest in the national capital.

New Delhi: Congress MP Rahul Gandhi was detained amid a massive protest by the party against rising prices, unemployment and GST hike on essential items. The party leaders were stopped by Delhi police when they were protesting outside the Congress headquarters.

Here are 10 facts about this big story:

2. Led by party chief Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi, Congress MPs today wore black clothes in Parliament to protest against the rising prices and unemployment. Rajya Sabha proceedings were adjourned today as Congress members created an uproar over the alleged misuse of probe agencies by the government.
3. Congress Working Committee (CWC) members and senior leaders had planned to take part in "PM House gherao" while Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha MPs will hold a "Chalo Rashtrapati Bhavan" from Parliament, the party said in a statement.
4. The administration imposed prohibitory orders banning large gatherings in parts of Delhi ahead of the Congress march. Citing the restrictions, Delhi police had denied permission to the Congress for holding a protest in the national capital.
5. Rahul Gandhi was detained by the Delhi Police when he was protesting with other Congress leaders outside the party headquarters.
6. Ahead of the protest, Rahul Gandhi said, "We're witnessing the death of democracy. What India has built brick by brick, starting almost a century ago, is being destroyed in front of your eyes. Anybody who stands against this idea of onset of dictatorship is viciously attacked, jailed, arrested and beaten up."
7. Mr Gandhi claimed that the sole agenda of the government is that people's issues such as price rise, unemployment and violence in society must not be raised.
8. The BJP hit back, asking if there is "democracy" in the Congress, which has been labelled a dynastic party.
9. The Delhi traffic police has issued an advisory saying the traffic movement will be affected in parts of Lutyens' Delhi.
10. Delhi police say special arrangements have been made and diversions will be suggested as per expected spots of congestion on major roads.
11. Congress has been continuously raising questions against the price rise and the hike in the Goods and Service Tax (GST). Congress MPs have been staging protests both inside and outside Parliament on these issues.

NDTV

 

[MP2011]

Needless to say, the current fascist regime has left many famous dictatorships in the dust. And its not even finished as yet.

When you don't have ANY achievement worth talking about in your 8 years in office, this is the kind of bigotry you'll unleash on your political opponents.

 

[sweep_shot]

First things first - democracy is overrated, and a failed system for development. Why? For one no democratic nation implements true democracy - one man one vote - most votes wins. Secondly, when everyone chimes in, progress is minimal.

Look at UK. Democracy has lead to countless delays in infrastructure development because everyone who has a voice wants to be heard the loudest. 3rd Runway at Heathrow is a good example, 25 years and still no decision. USA is another example; one president comes in and makes changes, the next will revert most changes - endless cycle.

There is very little progress in a democratic system. Of course when one man one vote was implemented (EU referendum) - the result was not accepted by those in power, and I don't have to explain what happened next.

Democracy actually guarantees the voice of the minority - this is it. Nothing more nothing less.

In contrast an autocratic system is proven to be successful when it comes to development. China is a top example. One man makes the decision. Look at China now. While UK still pander and debate the 3rd runway, China have gone and built 100s of Airports!

Russia and UAE are also good examples. Russia has made so much progress in the past 20 years that it's not even funny. Putin calls the shots. UAE, you all get it, has completely changed.

Autocracy follows the simple principle of Chain of Command.

There is a caveat, the top guy in an autocracy must be genuine, and not an evil 'dictator'.

Remember, UK ruled the waves and the world when the King/Queen were calling the shots. Now look at UK, down in the dumps because people are given the choice, and the people are fickle minded.

Democracy is nothing but an illusion. Autocracy is the way forwards.

You made a good point about western democratic countries not getting things done. It is because there are too many voices and too much formalities; too many cooks spoil the broth, as they say.

Democracy is indeed faulty and it can slowly kill a country.

Autocracy can be successful provided the the autocrat is not a radical/fascist.

 

[Stewie]

First things first - democracy is overrated, and a failed system for development. Why? For one no democratic nation implements true democracy - one man one vote - most votes wins. Secondly, when everyone chimes in, progress is minimal.

Look at UK. Democracy has lead to countless delays in infrastructure development because everyone who has a voice wants to be heard the loudest. 3rd Runway at Heathrow is a good example, 25 years and still no decision. USA is another example; one president comes in and makes changes, the next will revert most changes - endless cycle.

There is very little progress in a democratic system. Of course when one man one vote was implemented (EU referendum) - the result was not accepted by those in power, and I don't have to explain what happened next.

Democracy actually guarantees the voice of the minority - this is it. Nothing more nothing less.

In contrast an autocratic system is proven to be successful when it comes to development. China is a top example. One man makes the decision. Look at China now. While UK still pander and debate the 3rd runway, China have gone and built 100s of Airports!

Russia and UAE are also good examples. Russia has made so much progress in the past 20 years that it's not even funny. Putin calls the shots. UAE, you all get it, has completely changed.

Autocracy follows the simple principle of Chain of Command.

There is a caveat, the top guy in an autocracy must be genuine, and not an evil 'dictator'.

Remember, UK ruled the waves and the world when the King/Queen were calling the shots. Now look at UK, down in the dumps because people are given the choice, and the people are fickle minded.

Democracy is nothing but an illusion. Autocracy is the way forwards.

All well and good, unless of course you live in China. You can for whatever reason, fall out of the autocrats or get in their bad books, then you know what happens. If you are not hte ruling elite, you know how your life is.

For every mercedez driving rich Chinese kid attending a western university (sent there by a filthy rich chinese autocratic elite) there are hundreds if not thousands of poor, middle or lower class chinese wasting away in China working 18 hour days, and jumping off Foxcon building committing suicide due to bad working and living conditions. This crap only happens in autocratic nations and not in democratic/capitalist nations. Mind you, I am not advocating capitalism, it has its flaws but Democracy really has no substitute.

 

[sweep_shot]

All well and good, unless of course you live in China. You can for whatever reason, fall out of the autocrats or get in their bad books, then you know what happens. If you are not hte ruling elite, you know how your life is.

For every mercedez driving rich Chinese kid attending a western university (sent there by a filthy rich chinese autocratic elite) there are hundreds if not thousands of poor, middle or lower class chinese wasting away in China working 18 hour days, and jumping off Foxcon building committing suicide due to bad working and living conditions. This crap only happens in autocratic nations and not in democratic/capitalist nations. Mind you, I am not advocating capitalism, it has its flaws but Democracy really has no substitute.

I think a hybrid of democracy and autocracy would be better.

One flaw with democracy is one regime can reverse another regime's projects/decisions. I think certain projects/decisions should be free from government interference.

 

[Technics 1210]

All well and good, unless of course you live in China. You can for whatever reason, fall out of the autocrats or get in their bad books, then you know what happens. If you are not hte ruling elite, you know how your life is.

For every mercedez driving rich Chinese kid attending a western university (sent there by a filthy rich chinese autocratic elite) there are hundreds if not thousands of poor, middle or lower class chinese wasting away in China working 18 hour days, and jumping off Foxcon building committing suicide due to bad working and living conditions. This crap only happens in autocratic nations and not in democratic/capitalist nations. Mind you, I am not advocating capitalism, it has its flaws but Democracy really has no substitute.

You could fall out in the West, refuse to work long hours, and still get sacked.in the West it is not uncommon to hve more than 1 job just trying to make ends meet.

There are numerous cases in the UK where workers are on sick leave, mentally and physically, and cases where workers have committed suicide due to high levels of debt and pressure.

The point I am making above is about progression of a nation. China pulled out the majority of the poor to working/middle class; many Chinese folk just want shelter and food, with technology as a bonus, all because one person make a decision in an instant compared to decades of waffling in a democracy.

 

[Technics 1210]

Worker’s rights in Amreeka are so backwards that there is no comparison.

1. You can get pink-slipped (made redundant) with next to near zero warning.
2. Sacked - on the spot. You fired!
3. Maternity leave is not a right, not a privilege, but a new concept - with the likes of FB BOASTING about maternity rights (playing catch up)
4. Paternity leave is non-existent.
5. Health insurance - a privilege - not a right.

How many Amreekans are working multiple jobs, every day, just to make ends meet?

The system is broken in Amreeka, because in Amreeka, the leaders of the free word, the idea of socialist aspects is frowned upon, which is a joke because the US government will bail out banks, bailout companies, bailout industries, but a welfare cheque is considered socialism.

There are many alternative’s to a democratic system, Amreeka ain’t one of them.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Worker’s rights in Amreeka are so backwards that there is no comparison.

1. You can get pink-slipped (made redundant) with next to near zero warning.
2. Sacked - on the spot. You fired!
3. Maternity leave is not a right, not a privilege, but a new concept - with the likes of FB BOASTING about maternity rights (playing catch up)
4. Paternity leave is non-existent.
5. Health insurance - a privilege - not a right.

How many Amreekans are working multiple jobs, every day, just to make ends meet?

The system is broken in Amreeka, because in Amreeka, the leaders of the free word, the idea of socialist aspects is frowned upon, which is a joke because the US government will bail out banks, bailout companies, bailout industries, but a welfare cheque is considered socialism.

There are many alternative’s to a democratic system, Amreeka ain’t one of them.

So you want to have worker unions who do nothing but go on strikes for every little thing?

The owner of the company is a huge risk taker for running a business. He can be on the streets if his business flops. The worker will only move on to the next job. So the owner reserves the right to hire or fire anyone he or she deems not fit for their business.

Its risk vs reward.

 

[Technics 1210]

So you want to have worker unions who do nothing but go on strikes for every little thing?

The owner of the company is a huge risk taker for running a business. He can be on the streets if his business flops. The worker will only move on to the next job. So the owner reserves the right to hire or fire anyone he or she deems not fit for their business.

Its risk vs reward.

Oh my, how did you get from my list to worker’s unions and strikes? Is this what Amreeka feeds you workers?

In the UK, Maggie Thatcher pretty much destroyed the unions, but guess what, basic worker’s rights still exist. Tell me, how many workers have gone on strike in the USA? Or do they get the sack if on strike?

Give your workers basic rights, isn’t this the democracy Amreeka takes pride in? Freedom! Liberty! Respect! Or are workers treated as employee slaves?

 

[Technics 1210]

What is the average number of days for holiday (vacation) per year in USA? 10 days, in ONE year!

In the UK it is, between 25 and 30 days!

Democracy, or slavery in Amreeka?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Oh my, how did you get from my list to worker’s unions and strikes? Is this what Amreeka feeds you workers?

In the UK, Maggie Thatcher pretty much destroyed the unions, but guess what, basic worker’s rights still exist. Tell me, how many workers have gone on strike in the USA? Or do they get the sack if on strike?

Give your workers basic rights, isn’t this the democracy Amreeka takes pride in? Freedom! Liberty! Respect! Or are workers treated as employee slaves?

So workers should not get fired according to you?

Health insurance is earned. Not given like Birthday candy. Doctors and Hospitals do not work for free.

USA does have 90 day maternity leave and additional 3 months at half the pay.

Paternity leave is not allowed. Some companies do offer it though. People usually use 1 month of leave and work from home for the first 1 month of paternity. I have gone through it twice and it is reasonable.

People work multiple jobs because they want to earn more. Many are stuck in debt due to bad investments and bad choice in their lives like having multiple kids from multiple women. Not the Governments fault.

 

[Champ_Pal]

What is the average number of days for holiday (vacation) per year in USA? 10 days, in ONE year!

In the UK it is, between 25 and 30 days!

Democracy, or slavery in Amreeka?

To start off, it is 2 weeks of vacation with 2 floating holidays and a couple of sick days. This is a typical vacation policy for the companies I worked for.
The number of vacation days keeps increasing if you are loyal to the company. After 3 years with the company, it goes to 15 days of vacation and 3 personal days.
After 5 years, it will be 20 days of vacation. After 7 years, it will be 25 days. Some companies have 1 month vacation after 7 years. You can carry over your vacation to next year if you choose to.

 

[Technics 1210]

So workers should not get fired according to you?

Health insurance is earned. Not given like Birthday candy. Doctors and Hospitals do not work for free.

USA does have 90 day maternity leave and additional 3 months at half the pay.

Paternity leave is not allowed. Some companies do offer it though. People usually use 1 month of leave and work from home for the first 1 month of paternity. I have gone through it twice and it is reasonable.

People work multiple jobs because they want to earn more. Many are stuck in debt due to bad investments and bad choice in their lives like having multiple kids from multiple women. Not the Governments fault.

I suggest you read my post slowly, I mentioned that workers in USA get fired on the spot.

Amreeka workers work in fear, and are insecure.

Paternity leave not allowed, does Amreeka think women who work will never fall pregnant?

 

[Stewie]

You could fall out in the West, refuse to work long hours, and still get sacked.in the West it is not uncommon to hve more than 1 job just trying to make ends meet.

There are numerous cases in the UK where workers are on sick leave, mentally and physically, and cases where workers have committed suicide due to high levels of debt and pressure.

The point I am making above is about progression of a nation. China pulled out the majority of the poor to working/middle class; many Chinese folk just want shelter and food, with technology as a bonus, all because one person make a decision in an instant compared to decades of waffling in a democracy.

There is no substitute for individual rights and liberties. The chinese have now ditched communism and are slowly moving in the other direction but the autocracy creates tons of problems. In the west, you can criticize the government and not fear for your life. Its very easy to criticize democracy if you have not suffered at the hands of other systems. It takes some thought to realize what could really go wrong. I, for one, am happy I dont have to suffer all that.

But what do I know..

 

[Technics 1210]

To start off, it is 2 weeks of vacation with 2 floating holidays and a couple of sick days. This is a typical vacation policy for the companies I worked for.
The number of vacation days keeps increasing if you are loyal to the company. After 3 years with the company, it goes to 15 days of vacation and 3 personal days.
After 5 years, it will be 20 days of vacation. After 7 years, it will be 25 days. Some companies have 1 month vacation after 7 years. You can carry over your vacation to next year if you choose to.

Stop right here, I am referring to days off by LAW! Not company policy.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I suggest you read my post slowly, I mentioned that workers in USA get fired on the spot.

Amreeka workers work in fear, and are insecure.

Paternity leave not allowed, does Amreeka think women who work will never fall pregnant?

That is how it works in capitalism. Workers also can leave jobs on the spot and move to a rival company who is paying more. It works both ways. The best always gets rewarded more in this system.

Women get pregnant. Hence maternity is allowed. As for husbands, they are allowed work from home after the baby is born. At least in IT, accounting etc. For construction jobs and other manual labor jobs, they have to take vacation or take loss of pay.

 

[Stewie]

Worker’s rights in Amreeka are so backwards that there is no comparison.

1. You can get pink-slipped (made redundant) with next to near zero warning.
Thats called employment at will. I do not see anything wrong with it. Corporations have rights as human beings and if they dont need you, why should they feel obligated to keep you on?
2. Sacked - on the spot. You fired!
See above
3. Maternity leave is not a right, not a privilege, but a new concept - with the likes of FB BOASTING about maternity rights (playing catch up)
This one is debatable. Lots of employers offer maternity leave of varying lengths. Its just not mandated by federal law, once again, its the right of the employer to offer whatever they can. A small or home based business, for instance, cannot afford to pay for months of maternity leave, while hiring someone else to do the work. Also if the government has to pay it, it will result in higher taxes for citizens. So its a trade-off. But yes, once can argue its a bit of a problem for some families.
4. Paternity leave is non-existent.
Untrue, I get paternity leave and bonding time through my employer. Once again, the terms are similar to maternity leave.
5. Health insurance - a privilege - not a right.
If you are gainfully employed, you have health insurance. If not, you can file for medicaid and you will get coverage. I dont know why this gets so publicized by liberals and conservatives alike. For some treatments you have to pay more but general health stuff is covered and fairly affordable if you have a decent job
How many Amreekans are working multiple jobs, every day, just to make ends meet?
I dont know about that, why dont you tell us? Do you have some stats to show more Americans are working multiple jobs to survive than other nations? Where does America stand in terms of poverty levels and unemployment rates compared to rest of the civilized world? Any stats?

The system is broken in Amreeka, because in Amreeka, the leaders of the free word, the idea of socialist aspects is frowned upon, which is a joke because the US government will bail out banks, bailout companies, bailout industries, but a welfare cheque is considered socialism.
Thats called top down economics, and it works, believe it or not. You save the big employers so jobs are saved. You dont just start paying the little guy so he can stay at home and do nothing but get paid. Socialism is as much an evil and even more than capitalism.
There are many alternative’s to a democratic system, Amreeka ain’t one of them.
Well, good for you, then since you dont live here

My thoughts

 

[Technics 1210]

There is no substitute for individual rights and liberties. The chinese have now ditched communism and are slowly moving in the other direction but the autocracy creates tons of problems. In the west, you can criticize the government and not fear for your life. Its very easy to criticize democracy if you have not suffered at the hands of other systems. It takes some thought to realize what could really go wrong. I, for one, am happy I dont have to suffer all that.

But what do I know..

I am just pointing out before you single out worker's rights in China, Russia, and UAE - non democratic nations, take a look at Amreeka's worker's rights.

There is no substitute for truth.

Yeah sure you can criticise your government in the West, woo hoo! What a right, what do you achieve by criticising your government? Get a load off your chest? Have a good rant? How many times has your criticism lead to change or made a difference to you?

The majority only care about Family, Food, and Shelter.

 

[Stewie]

I think a hybrid of democracy and autocracy would be better.

One flaw with democracy is one regime can reverse another regime's projects/decisions. I think certain projects/decisions should be free from government interference.

Autocracy means absolute power by one person or group of persons. How can you hybridize that with democracy?

I dont think its possible. But the democratic processes can be put in place which do not overturn or undo the work of previous administrations. There can be as many checks and balances put in places as the people want. They can write to their representatives and ask them to champion such causes in the house where it matters. But in autocracy, you have no voice. You are a kite fluttering in the wind, at the whims and fancies of others. Pretty disconcerting if you ask me.

 

[Technics 1210]

That is how it works in capitalism. Workers also can leave jobs on the spot and move to a rival company who is paying more. It works both ways. The best always gets rewarded more in this system.

Women get pregnant. Hence maternity is allowed. As for husbands, they are allowed work from home after the baby is born. At least in IT, accounting etc. For construction jobs and other manual labor jobs, they have to take vacation or take loss of pay.

BULL-DUST! That's how capitalism (economic slavery) may work in Amreeka, but not in the rest of the West which also believes in capitalism.

This working from home stuff, only relevant post Covid, still not a worker's right unlike in Europe.

 

[Stewie]

I am just pointing out before you single out worker's rights in China, Russia, and UAE - non democratic nations, take a look at Amreeka's worker's rights.

There is no substitute for truth.

Yeah sure you can criticise your government in the West, woo hoo! What a right, what do you achieve by criticising your government? Get a load off your chest? Have a good rant? How many times has your criticism lead to change or made a difference to you?

The majority only care about Family, Food, and Shelter.

Just to give you an example: Local reps have offices and you can walk right in and tell him/her you wont vote for them if they dont try to fight some unfair government agenda. That lights a fire under their rear. You may not want to believe it, but its true. Also, you must not be aware of worker unions and the collapse of the the automotive industry in Detroit. I suggest you read up on that. There are worker rights in the US and they are fair. At one point they were unfair to the employer and look what happened. The Japanese killed them.

In a propserous state, where the state provides you enough rights and you dont have to worry too much about Family, Food and Shelter, you do worry about other stuff. Americans are known for nitt picking on other stuff (gun rights and abortion issues are just two examples). It is funny here you are championing the causes of family and socialism and worker rights, the stuff of wet dreams for liberals and yet you have a history of crying yourself hoarse over liberalism and how its bad for the world.

 

[Technics 1210]

Just to give you an example: Local reps have offices and you can walk right in and tell him/her you wont vote for them if they dont try to fight some unfair government agenda. That lights a fire under their rear. You may not want to believe it, but its true. Also, you must not be aware of worker unions and the collapse of the the automotive industry in Detroit. I suggest you read up on that. There are worker rights in the US and they are fair. At one point they were unfair to the employer and look what happened. The Japanese killed them.

In a propserous state, where the state provides you enough rights and you dont have to worry too much about Family, Food and Shelter, you do worry about other stuff. Americans are known for nitt picking on other stuff (gun rights and abortion issues are just two examples). It is funny here you are championing the causes of family and socialism and worker rights, the stuff of wet dreams for liberals and yet you have a history of crying yourself hoarse over liberalism and how its bad for the world.

Do you know why 70% or so of Amreekans do not hold an Amreekan passport? Because they are too scared to travel outside of Amreeka incase they get fired while on holiday. This is the summation of worker's rights in Amreeka - fear and insecurity.

And yes, I have read up quite a bit on unions, Hoffa. The name may ring a bell.

A country which boasts about worker's right but deny's the natural right of pregnancy for women workers through lack of maternity leave, says it all.

 

[Stewie]

BULL-DUST! That's how capitalism (economic slavery) may work in Amreeka, but not in the rest of the West which also believes in capitalism.

This working from home stuff, only relevant post Covid, still not a worker's right unlike in Europe.

Why is it that all the innovative top conglomerates emerge from America then? Because the capitalist system here encourages big businesses and entrepreneurial spirit. You dont get that from the semi socialist/semi capitalist systems of Europe and other advanced countries. America is pure capitalist and that is why it attracts all the talent and capital of the world. The same qualities you are decrying America for are why we had Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and Elon Musks of the world try and make it big here. The incentives US offers to big businesses and the growth potential is so massive which is why we have Microsoft, Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, just to name a few. The major corporations and innovations have come from the US for a reason, and those are the reasons you are actually bashing America for.

Its the land of opportunity, you can work hard and make something of yourself here. Plain and simple!

 

[Technics 1210]

Why is it that all the innovative top conglomerates emerge from America then? Because the capitalist system here encourages big businesses and entrepreneurial spirit. You dont get that from the semi socialist/semi capitalist systems of Europe and other advanced countries. America is pure capitalist and that is why it attracts all the talent and capital of the world. The same qualities you are decrying America for are why we had Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and Elon Musks of the world try and make it big here. The incentives US offers to big businesses and the growth potential is so massive which is why we have Microsoft, Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, just to name a few. The major corporations and innovations have come from the US for a reason, and those are the reasons you are actually bashing America for.

Its the land of opportunity, you can work hard and make something of yourself here. Plain and simple!

You are confusing capitalism with democracy; the 2 are separate ideologies.

China is a communist nation and also part capitalist.
UAE is an authoritarian government, and also capitalist.

Capitalism is all about opportunity and competition.

Amreeka has more conglomerates due to fraud, which is why more Amreekan corporations have also failed, I will just start with the Banks and Oil companies.

 

[Stewie]

Do you know why 70% or so of Amreekans do not hold an Amreekan passport? Because they are too scared to travel outside of Amreeka incase they get fired while on holiday. This is the summation of worker's rights in Amreeka - fear and insecurity.

And yes, I have read up quite a bit on unions, Hoffa. The name may ring a bell.

A country which boasts about worker's right but deny's the natural right of pregnancy for women workers through lack of maternity leave, says it all.

So what you are saying is that you would much rather be living in autocrat state like CHina which prohibited people from having more than two kids than US which allows you as many kids as you want but just doesnt pay you to have kids so someone else can foot the bill? LOL

 

[Stewie]

You are confusing capitalism with democracy; the 2 are separate ideologies.

China is a communist nation and also part capitalist.
UAE is an authoritarian government, and also capitalist.

Capitalism is all about opportunity and competition.

Amreeka has more conglomerates due to fraud, which is why more Amreekan corporations have also failed, I will just start with the Banks and Oil companies.

I am quite clear on what I said. You are the one who keeps confusing democratic rights with social welfare.

Women have right to bear as many children in the US. The government just cannot pay for them all. But according to you, thats infringing on their rights. So who is really confusing democracy and capitalism here?

 

[Technics 1210]

So what you are saying is that you would much rather be living in autocrat state like CHina which prohibited people from having more than two kids than US which allows you as many kids as you want but just doesnt pay you to have kids so someone else can foot the bill? LOL

China prohibits people from having more than one child due to the sheer population, Amreeka controlsp population but calls it Abortion or the Morning after pill.

There is also logic and complete sense in having children if you can afford to raise them, what is wrong in this?

 

[Technics 1210]

I am quite clear on what I said. You are the one who keeps confusing democratic rights with social welfare.

Women have right to bear as many children in the US. The government just cannot pay for them all. But according to you, thats infringing on their rights. So who is really confusing democracy and capitalism here?

NO you are confused. You went from Chinese workers have to work for 18 hours to commiting suicide. I just pulled the facts that in amreeka, workers also hold 2 jobs, work longer hours, and also commit suicide due to stress and debt.

Nothing you have mentioned is unique to China, other than speaking up against the government, and we all know how well that worked for you, Trump was in power, you got Biden, and Trump may be back in power.

Keep critiscing your government, your country has been duped into believing your government is more important than your family.

 

[Stewie]

NO you are confused. You went from Chinese workers have to work for 18 hours to commiting suicide. I just pulled the facts that in amreeka, workers also hold 2 jobs, work longer hours, and also commit suicide due to stress and debt.

Nothing you have mentioned is unique to China, other than speaking up against the government, and we all know how well that worked for you, Trump was in power, you got Biden, and Trump may be back in power.

Keep critiscing your government, your country has been duped into believing your government is more important than your family.

How about you actually for once provide some evidence that americans have to work two jobs and are killing themselves more than any other country in the world? And also pull the stats for CHina and lets see how the comparison holds up. Most of what you have said so far is just opinion with absolutely zero evidence.

And contrary to popular belief, most americans actually do not like their government. because we dont think government is that important and it should be small and not infringe on our rights. But when we say this, we also mean coRporations and businesses.

Answer me this: If you want paid maternity leave for all women (6 months or whatever) who is going to pay for that? The business or the government? Where do you think the money is going to come from? Just answer that question for starters

 

[dildilpak]

How about you actually for once provide some evidence that americans have to work two jobs and are killing themselves more than any other country in the world? And also pull the stats for CHina and lets see how the comparison holds up. Most of what you have said so far is just opinion with absolutely zero evidence.

And contrary to popular belief, most americans actually do not like their government. because we dont think government is that important and it should be small and not infringe on our rights. But when we say this, we also mean coRporations and businesses.

Answer me this: If you want paid maternity leave for all women (6 months or whatever) who is going to pay for that? The business or the government? Where do you think the money is going to come from? Just answer that question for starters

100 % agree with you. Most Americans hate big government & high taxes. We absolutely hate govt intervention - the reason why so many were infuriated during covid lockdowns.

And these days, with the worker shortage its the business owners who are scrambling to find workers - especially in restaurants, airlines, day care, food & trucking industry. Unemployment is at all time low & wages are high!

 

[Technics 1210]

How about you actually for once provide some evidence that americans have to work two jobs and are killing themselves more than any other country in the world? And also pull the stats for CHina and lets see how the comparison holds up. Most of what you have said so far is just opinion with absolutely zero evidence.

And contrary to popular belief, most americans actually do not like their government. because we dont think government is that important and it should be small and not infringe on our rights. But when we say this, we also mean coRporations and businesses.

Answer me this: If you want paid maternity leave for all women (6 months or whatever) who is going to pay for that? The business or the government? Where do you think the money is going to come from? Just answer that question for starters

Wow. You want evidence that Amreekans are working 2 jobs?

https://research.stlouisfed.org/pub...nly about 5 percent of,work more than one job.

The link above also mentions part-time jobs. You should know this being a native Amreekan.

Most Amreekan do not like their government? Out right lie, General Elections proves that almost 50% support their government which is why they voted them into power, Midterm elections soon too.

Who pays for Maternity leave? The company. Sound shocking to you? Why? What happened to the largest and most successful conglomerates in Amreeka? Cannot afford to pay for a woman to raise her child but instead pocket the cash and bolster their share holdings?

You moan about population control in China, but when Amreekans have children and rely on the state for support, you moan again.

Speaking of which, do Amreekans get paid for sick leave?

Over all your arguments are weak. Pulling up China and ignoring places like UAE to dismiss an authoritarian government smacks of bias.

China will be soon the largest economy in the world, and it's not because of democracy, it is because of authoritarian rule.

 

[Stewie]

Wow. You want evidence that Amreekans are working 2 jobs?

https://research.stlouisfed.org/pub...nly about 5 percent of,work more than one job.

The link above also mentions part-time jobs. You should know this being a native Amreekan.

Most Amreekan do not like their government? Out right lie, General Elections proves that almost 50% support their government which is why they voted them into power, Midterm elections soon too.

Who pays for Maternity leave? The company. Sound shocking to you? Why? What happened to the largest and most successful conglomerates in Amreeka? Cannot afford to pay for a woman to raise her child but instead pocket the cash and bolster their share holdings?

You moan about population control in China, but when Amreekans have children and rely on the state for support, you moan again.

Speaking of which, do Amreekans get paid for sick leave?

Over all your arguments are weak. Pulling up China and ignoring places like UAE to dismiss an authoritarian government smacks of bias.

China will be soon the largest economy in the world, and it's not because of democracy, it is because of authoritarian rule.

Lets start off with maternity leave. If its a law, then every small and mediuim sized business has to pay for it? right?

How can they afford to do that? Is that not infringing on my right to make money? I have a small business where I cut people's hair. I hire this girl to cut hair and she gets pregnant. Now I have to hire another girl to do her job while pay her salary for whatever time? How is that fair to me?

THIS EXAMPLE IS why its not a federally mandated law. All the big corporations you tried to make fun of unsuccessfully they actually do offer maternity leave. I would know because I am a "native" amreekan like you so eloquently put. LOL

Most Americans do not like government period! Look that up please. Its in the constitution. Government is not supposed to have too much power in the US.

 

[Technics 1210]

Lets start off with maternity leave. If its a law, then every small and mediuim sized business has to pay for it? right?

How can they afford to do that? Is that not infringing on my right to make money? I have a small business where I cut people's hair. I hire this girl to cut hair and she gets pregnant. Now I have to hire another girl to do her job while pay her salary for whatever time? How is that fair to me?

THIS EXAMPLE IS why its not a federally mandated law. All the big corporations you tried to make fun of unsuccessfully they actually do offer maternity leave. I would know because I am a "native" amreekan like you so eloquently put. LOL

Most Americans do not like government period! Look that up please. Its in the constitution. Government is not supposed to have too much power in the US.

Maternity and Paternity leave is law in Europe. Companies are still surviving, and expanding. Plus it bolsters loyalty between employee and employer.

How do they afford that? By accepting a reduction in margins thus profits. People before profit. In Europe companies are encouraged to invest in people.

 

[Stewie]

Maternity and Paternity leave is law in Europe. Companies are still surviving, and expanding. Plus it bolsters loyalty between employee and employer.

How do they afford that? By accepting a reduction in margins thus profits. People before profit. In Europe companies are encouraged to invest in people.

Corporations in the US also give maternity leave and invest in its people. It depends on the business. Small employers and medium sized businesses cannot do it so they dont.

How does UK and rest of Europe handle maternity leave for a small business like a hair salon or housekeeper? Who pays them?

 

[Technics 1210]

Corporations in the US also give maternity leave and invest in its people. It depends on the business. Small employers and medium sized businesses cannot do it so they dont.

How does UK and rest of Europe handle maternity leave for a small business like a hair salon or housekeeper? Who pays them?

You are confusing law (rights) with company policy.

I have answered your question may times, the company pays for leave, and companies can also claw back tax via the government, which means the mother goes on leave but can be paid less until she returns to work. Which part are you not understanding?

 

[Stewie]

You are confusing law (rights) with company policy.

I have answered your question may times, the company pays for leave, and companies can also claw back tax via the government, which means the mother goes on leave but can be paid less until she returns to work. Which part are you not understanding?

My question is simple: You want maternity leave as a right for every one? Dont you? Were you not criticizing USA for not having maternity leave as a right? Or are you changing your tune now?

So if I am correct in my my statement above, so answer me this: You hire a maid. She has to go on maternity leave. Who pays for that leave? Simple question.

 

[Technics 1210]

My question is simple: You want maternity leave as a right for every one? Dont you? Were you not criticizing USA for not having maternity leave as a right? Or are you changing your tune now?

So if I am correct in my my statement above, so answer me this: You hire a maid. She has to go on maternity leave. Who pays for that leave? Simple question.

What in earth are you bleating on about? Don't change the subject. You were harping on about China and workers rights and I made the point that your democratic Amreeka doesn't even have maternity rights like Europe and you are just rambling on about who pays for maternity leave when I have answered you question many times.

Meaning Amreeka is BACKWARDS.

I suggest you get back to work or you may be pink slipped.

 

[Stewie]

What in earth are you bleating on about? Don't change the subject. You were harping on about China and workers rights and I made the point that your democratic Amreeka doesn't even have maternity rights like Europe and you are just rambling on about who pays for maternity leave when I have answered you question many times.

Meaning Amreeka is BACKWARDS.

I suggest you get back to work or you may be pink slipped.

I run a small corpration: a small hair salon, with three girls who cut hair. One of them is pregnant. Who pays for that leave? Answer that question? It is directly related to your argument about "rights" vs "company policy"..

You want a "right" so it means Mr Small Salon owner business man is **** outta luck and has to pay the salary?
Is that how it works in the UK? It is not a difficult question and its also not irrelevent to the topic. I am directly quoting your stance from the last few posts, so just answer already. You should know about the good ol UK, you live there. Who pays Mom and Pop Haircut's Sally Sue if she gets pregnant?

 

[Technics 1210]

I run a small corpration: a small hair salon, with three girls who cut hair. One of them is pregnant. Who pays for that leave? Answer that question? It is directly related to your argument about "rights" vs "company policy"..

You want a "right" so it means Mr Small Salon owner business man is **** outta luck and has to pay the salary?
Is that how it works in the UK? It is not a difficult question and its also not irrelevent to the topic. I am directly quoting your stance from the last few posts, so just answer already. You should know about the good ol UK, you live there. Who pays Mom and Pop Haircut's Sally Sue if she gets pregnant?

Are you not reading? I have explained how maternity leave is paid for in Europe demonstrating how backward Amreeka is.

You can bring out all the extenuating circumstances but the fact is you being a citizen of a country where Guns are a human and constitutional right but Healthcare, Education, and Employee benefits are are a privilege sums up everything wrong with Amreeka.

Amreeka is the epitome of Democracy, Liberalism, and Capitalism - you should pause to think about this before you hurl criticism towards other countries.

Have a great weekend!

 

[Stewie]

Are you not reading? I have explained how maternity leave is paid for in Europe demonstrating how backward Amreeka is.

You can bring out all the extenuating circumstances but the fact is you being a citizen of a country where Guns are a human and constitutional right but Healthcare, Education, and Employee benefits are are a privilege sums up everything wrong with Amreeka.

Amreeka is the epitome of Democracy, Liberalism, and Capitalism - you should pause to think about this before you hurl criticism towards other countries.

Have a great weekend!

Dude... dont run away,. Be brave. Lets hammer this out. LOL

Let us not pivot, well known tactic.. One at a time: Humor me. Think of me as a *****. You may have answered before but do it one more time. Who pays for MomnPop Hair Salon's Sally Sue if she gets pregnant? Simple as that. Its a corporation. It is a small home based business. Do they have to pay Sally Sue her maternity leave? Yes or No? Dont waste your precious time insulting me. Just answer the question.

 

[Technics 1210]

Dont waste your precious time insulting me. Just answer the question.

I am insulting you? How? By answering your question multiple times and calling out Amreeka for what it is? Insecure much?

You are boring me now, and anyone reading this thread can not only see I have answered your question on maternity leave many times but you have no counter and are struggling to grasp a simple European concept, to the point you are just rambling on. Proving the point Maternity, and Paternity leave is a totally alien concept in Amreeka. And to think Amreeka positions itself as the beacon of civilisation.

Seriously, I have better things to do than read repetitive post, please do try and enjoy you weekend!

 

[Stewie]

I am insulting you? How? By answering your question multiple times and calling out Amreeka for what it is? Insecure much?

You are boring me now, and anyone reading this thread can not only see I have answered your question on maternity leave many times but you have no counter and are struggling to grasp a simple European concept, to the point you are just rambling on. Proving the point Maternity, and Paternity leave is a totally alien concept in Amreeka. And to think Amreeka positions itself as the beacon of civilisation.

Seriously, I have better things to do than read repetitive post, please do try and enjoy you weekend!

So you don’t know? Or you really don’t have an answer? I think you know you had dug yourself a hole and are now trying to evade. Lol.
That’s ok. Go be a stupendous UK citizen and work hard. You have all these high taxes you need to pay for wonderful social benefits UK has to offer, right? After all that’s where socialism and capitalism diverge.

Not saying one is right or one is wrong, just that it’s probably not a good look to run your mouth when you are ignorant of the finer points of the discussion: case in point who foots the bill for Sally Sue’s maternity leave.

Maybe some other UK posters here can answer that question. I leave this open for others….