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NEW DELHI/ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - The sparring between India and Pakistan last month threatened to spiral out of control and only interventions by U.S. officials, including National Security Advisor John Bolton, headed off a bigger conflict, five sources familiar with the events said.

At one stage, India threatened to fire at least six missiles at Pakistan, and Islamabad said it would respond with its own missile strikes “three times over”, according to Western diplomats and government sources in New Delhi, Islamabad and Washington.

The way in which tensions suddenly worsened and threatened to trigger a war between the nuclear-armed nations shows how the Kashmir region, which both claim and is at the core of their enmity, remains one of the world’s most dangerous flashpoints.

The exchanges did not get beyond threats, and there was no suggestion that the missiles involved were anything more than conventional weapons, but they created consternation in official circles in Washington, Beijing and London.

Reuters has pieced together the events that led to the most serious military crisis in South Asia since 2008, as well as the concerted diplomatic efforts to get both sides to back down.

The simmering dispute erupted into conflict late last month when Indian and Pakistani warplanes engaged in a dogfight over Kashmir on Feb 27, a day after a raid by Indian jet fighters on what it said was a militant camp in Pakistan. Islamabad denied any militant camp exists in the area and said the Indian bombs exploded on an empty hillside.

In their first such clash since the last war between the two nations in 1971, Pakistan downed an Indian plane and captured its pilot after he ejected in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir.

Hours later, videos of the bloodied Indian pilot, handcuffed and blindfolded, appeared on social media, identifying himself to Pakistani interrogators, deepening anger in New Delhi.

With Prime Minister Narendra Modi facing a general election in April-May, the government was under pressure to respond.
“NO GOING BACK”

That evening, Indian National Security Adviser Ajit Doval spoke over a secure line to the head of Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), Asim Munir, to tell him India was not going to back off its new campaign of “counter terrorism” even after the pilot’s capture, an Indian government source and a Western diplomat with knowledge of the conversations told Reuters in New Delhi.

Doval told Munir that India’s fight was with the militant groups that freely operated from Pakistani soil and it was prepared to escalate, said the government source.

A Pakistani government minister and a Western diplomat in Islamabad separately confirmed a specific Indian threat to use six missiles on targets inside Pakistan. They did not specify who delivered the threat or who received it, but the minister said Indian and Pakistani intelligence agencies “were communicating with each other during the fight, and even now they are communicating with each other”.

Pakistan said it would counter any Indian missile attacks with many more launches of its own, the minister told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

“We said if you will fire one missile, we will fire three. Whatever India will do, we will respond three times to that,” the Pakistani minister said.

Doval’s office did not respond to a request for comment. India was not aware of any missile threat issued to Pakistan, a government official said in reply to a Reuters request for comment.

Pakistan’s military declined to comment and Munir could not be reached for comment. Pakistan’s foreign ministry did not respond to a Reuters request for comment.

TRUMP-KIM TALKS

The crisis unfolded as U.S. President Donald Trump was trying to hammer out an agreement with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Hanoi over its nuclear program.

U.S. security advisor Bolton was on the phone with Doval on the night of Feb 27 itself, and into the early hours of Feb 28, the second day of the Trump-Kim talks, in an attempt to defuse the situation, the Western diplomat in New Delhi and the Indian official said.

Later, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who was also in Hanoi, also called both sides to seek a way out of the crisis.

“Secretary Pompeo led diplomatic engagement directly, and that played an essential role in de-escalating the tensions between the two sides,” State Department deputy spokesperson Robert Palladino said in a briefing in Washington on March 5.

A State Department official declined comment when asked if they knew of the threats to use missiles.

Pompeo spoke to Doval, the Indian and Pakistani Foreign Ministers Sushma Swaraj and Shah Mahmood Qureshi, respectively, Palladino said.

U.S. Indo-Pacific Command Admiral Phil Davidson told reporters in Singapore last week that he had separately been in touch with the Indian navy chief, Sunil Lanba, throughout the crisis. There was no immediate response from Lanba’s office to a question on the nature of the conversations.

U.S. efforts were focused on securing the quick release of the Indian pilot by Pakistan and winning an assurance from India it would pull back from the threat to fire rockets, the Western diplomat in New Delhi and officials in Washington said.

“We made a lot of effort to get the international community involved in encouraging the two sides to de-escalate the situation because we fully realized how dangerous it was,” said a senior Trump administration official.

The Pakistani minister said China and the United Arab Emirates also intervened. China’s foreign ministry did not respond to requests for comment. The government of the UAE said Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan held talks with both Modi and Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan.

India has not given details, but has said it was in touch with major powers during the conflict.

On the morning of Feb 28, Trump told reporters in Hanoi that he expected the crisis to end soon.

“They have been going at it and we have been involved in trying to have them stop. Hopefully that is going to be coming to an end.”

Later that afternoon, Khan announced in Pakistan’s parliament that the Indian pilot would be released, and he was sent back the next day.

“I know last night there was a threat there could a missile attack on Pakistan, which got defused,” Khan said. “I know, our army stood prepared for retaliation of that attack.”

The two countries have gone to war three times since both gained independence in 1947, the last time in 1971. The two armies are trading fire along the line of control that separates them in Kashmir, but the tensions appear contained for now.

Diplomatic experts said that the latest crisis underlined the chances of misread signals and unpredictability in the ties between the nuclear-armed rivals, and the huge dangers. It still was not clear whether India had targeted a militant camp in Pakistan and whether there were any casualties, they said.

“Indian and Pakistani leaders have long evinced confidence that they can understand each other’s deterrence signals and can de-escalate at will,” said Joshua White, a former White House official who is now at Johns Hopkins.

“The fact that some of the most basic facts, intentions and attempted strategic signals of this crisis are still shrouded in mystery ... should be a sobering reminder that neither country is in a position to easily control a crisis once it begins.”.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-missiles-at-each-other-sources-idUSKCN1QY03T
 
The 2 aunties wouldn't have done anything.

But looked at Uncle Sam to help them stop squabbling, which they did.
 
India threatened to send some missiles. Pak said it would send three times the number in return if provoked. After that all returned to normal:babar
 
Heard that. On the evening of feb 27, India was aiming at accomplishing their state terrorism by sending missles to the innocent people of Bahawalpur and Karachi (one of the largest city in the world with children and women).

Pakistan then retaliated by locking its missles on every major city in India including all the airports. India saw this, got scared, and chickened out.
 
India chickened out lol. Pakistan released Abhinandan in 24 hrs after this.

Pretty obvious who chickened out.
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] are you really that thick or just trying to be? yes if we were so scared of mighty India why we shot down your fighter plan and caught the pilot in the 1st place? just answer this simple question.
 
India chickened out lol. Pakistan released Abhinandan in 24 hrs after this.

Pretty obvious who chickened out.

You mean released him after breaking a trained soldier and making him sing like a canary in less than 72 hours..

Yes, guilty as charged
 
You mean released him after breaking a trained soldier and making him sing like a canary in less than 72 hours..

Yes, guilty as charged
Not to mention, first luring him in shooting him down, afterwards having our poor common villagers administer a historic phainti on the poor fella, which was captured on video, distributed all over the world, and made subject of countless memes??

Ji bilkul ... we chickened out.. we are so happy with such a chickening out! I think some of us are still laughing! :)
 
India chickened out lol. Pakistan released Abhinandan in 24 hrs after this.

Pretty obvious who chickened out.

I’m not sure if you’re serious in your implications.

Perhaps in five-to-ten years when an Indian movie about Abhinandan comes out, it will verify your “Pakistan chickened out” theory.
 
I’m not sure if you’re serious in your implications.

Perhaps in five-to-ten years when an Indian movie about Abhinandan comes out, it will verify your “Pakistan chickened out” theory.

Its already out, perhaps you missed it. It was playing on all major “Indian news channels” nonstop all this time.
 
I'm waiting for Bollywood version of events... it'll show Abhinandan shooting down 5-6 F-16s and then landing his plane at Chaklala airbase and then going to GHQ to have chai only for the joshila types to lap it up :))
 
I'm waiting for Bollywood version of events... it'll show Abhinandan shooting down 5-6 F-16s and then landing his plane at Chaklala airbase and then going to GHQ to have chai only for the joshila types to lap it up :))

you are relevant - be it Timepass or Cricket section :moyo2
 
I'm waiting for Bollywood version of events... it'll show Abhinandan shooting down 5-6 F-16s and then landing his plane at Chaklala airbase and then going to GHQ to have chai only for the joshila types to lap it up :))

I can't wait to see bollywood CGI rendering of F-16 with Pakistani pilot saying jenaab before crashing
 
Lol at the Indians making a hero of Abhinandan. Trump would have remarked "I dont like people who get caught"
 
I can't wait to see bollywood CGI rendering of F-16 with Pakistani pilot saying jenaab before crashing

“Jenaab, Unka wing commander jumped out of his cockpit onto mine and he is punching holes in it now, jenaab!!!”

After he punches his way into the cockpit, he uses a banana to split the Pakistani pilot’s throat, then hops back into his MIG, Lands it at a PAF airbase and demands they make him tea.
 
I think the Indian media had a huge role in escalating the matter to such outrageous level. Their reckless behaviour and war mongering will end up taking millions of lives and destroying our economies. They must be held accountable and learn how to behave.
 
You mean released him after breaking a trained soldier and making him sing like a canary in less than 72 hours..

Yes, guilty as charged

Imran Khan even said in his speech that there was a missile strike being planned and the situation was defused and then he released Abhinandan.

You guys gave him tea and realised that any torture will see serious escalation by India which your bank rupt economy cannot handle.
 
India chickened out lol. Pakistan released Abhinandan in 24 hrs after this.

Pretty obvious who chickened out.

Yea Pakistan was so scared that they made embarrassed him in front of the world by putting him on camera like a mule and making the Indian airforce a laughing stock....
 
I think the Indian media had a huge role in escalating the matter to such outrageous level. Their reckless behaviour and war mongering will end up taking millions of lives and destroying our economies. They must be held accountable and learn how to behave.

The media sells to the market and there is a market. That is the real problem. Thats why politicians use it as well. They go hand in hand. But in times like these, the direction comes from the top, at the leadership level. Get everybody to calm down.

Remember a while back during the Asia bibi case in Pakistan, this one religiopolitical leader had his base riled up and caused all sorts of panic and havoc and destruction. The PAK leadership was slow to gauge the impact of that *** but they got wise to his act.
Now he is in jail.

Sometimes the leadership has to put their foot down and counter such clowns.
 
Yea Pakistan was so scared that they made embarrassed him in front of the world by putting him on camera like a mule and making the Indian airforce a laughing stock....

Then they had to delete those videos and escort him to Wagah border. They realised that they were in for some serious escalation and it was better to release the PoW.

After 27th

Pakistan's action was to release the PoW. Hoping for de escalation.

India has not de escalated and has forced pakistan to deploy further forces.


Very clear who was scared.
 
Imran Khan even said in his speech that there was a missile strike being planned and the situation was defused and then he released Abhinandan.

You guys gave him tea and realised that any torture will see serious escalation by India which your bank rupt economy cannot handle.

Or maybe... just maybe... IK wanted peace and released him so we don’t bomb each other to smithereens. If you think we are already bankcrupt, what’s to keep us from bombing India and taking down their economy as well?

It is very easy to confuse a goodwill gesture as a sign of weakness, and I will let you think we chickened out if Thats what makes you happy. We have tons of memes to keep us entertained as well, so as long as everyone has a smile on their face, I guess it’s all good! :)
 
Abhi was released. All pakistan could do was to hold him for 72 hrs.

Ofcourse we wanted to descalate, what can you do when you have a mad man rushing at you? First defend yourself, next report him to authorities and let them handle it. That's exactly what Pakistan did.
 
Then they had to delete those videos and escort him to Wagah border. They realised that they were in for some serious escalation and it was better to release the PoW.

After 27th

Pakistan's action was to release the PoW. Hoping for de escalation.

India has not de escalated and has forced pakistan to deploy further forces.


Very clear who was scared.

ANI:
Indian air defence radars detected two Pakistani Air Force jets go supersonic 10KM from LoC (within their territory) in the Poonch sector, loud bangs heard last night in the area were due to sonic booms. All Indian air defences and radar systems are on high alert.

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1105813945636540416

Hear a loud noise in the neighbourhood, and the entire city is awake all night fearing bomb blasts.
Is this what we have been reduced to?!! #Amritsar.

https://twitter.com/Drpriyankanaik/status/1106420033922580481

yup, its clear whos scared, lahoris were sleeping while people in Amritsar were awake all nite... good going soldier ... :)))
 
ANI:
Indian air defence radars detected two Pakistani Air Force jets go supersonic 10KM from LoC (within their territory) in the Poonch sector, loud bangs heard last night in the area were due to sonic booms. All Indian air defences and radar systems are on high alert.

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1105813945636540416

Hear a loud noise in the neighbourhood, and the entire city is awake all night fearing bomb blasts.
Is this what we have been reduced to?!! #Amritsar.

https://twitter.com/Drpriyankanaik/status/1106420033922580481

yup, its clear whos scared, lahoris were sleeping while people in Amritsar were awake all nite... good going soldier ... :)))
Oh man Amritsar were awake. Because it was Indian airforce fighter jet roaming above the city . Didn't you read the other thread? Lolz.
India only kept North India airports shut down for 2 hours during all these events. While Pakistan kept it shut down for weeks or even near to month. Everything is and was as usual normal in India except our news channels. You know they are like that.
 
I am still amazed how Pakistani air force carried out the retaliatory mission in broad daylight and locked on to their military targets.
The fact that India was not prepared for escalation was apparent.
Huge embarrassment for India in front of the world
 
So indians are thinking that release of their babu after one n half day is their win if so then I must say that their 2 million army should leave this war thing this is non of their work :angelo
 
Bombed what? A few trees? It was a pellet gun to us. The whole world saw what we did to your jets on Pakistani soil.

Why didn't you guys unleash your missiles with your Israeli friends?

Like I said please send your jets and soldiers here.
 
If we were so scared of India Kulbushan would have been released ages back:maqsood We all know what happened to Sarbjit Singh. We've been watching the PSL in Pak!
 
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Indians have learned their lesson. They have much more to lose than Pakistan in case of any real conflict.

It is time to move on from this embarrassment and focus on building a better future. War is not the answer for both countries.
 
India should stop begging us to hand over Yadav, Dawood, Hafiz, Azhar and every man and his dog coz they are never gonna get them unless India hands over the ones on our wanted list. Our courts have found the people India accuses of terrorism to be innocent, end of matter. As the accused are in Pak our courts decide who is guilty or innocent not Indian ones. IK has made this clear in one of his speeches. What happened was that India threatened to nuke three of our cities, Pak responded by telling them say goodbye to Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore and many other of your top cities as well. India got the message loud and clear then sat down.
 
India chickened out lol. Pakistan released Abhinandan in 24 hrs after this.

Pretty obvious who chickened out.

I guess Pakistan also chickened out when they released terrorist Yadav under Indian pressure and the doctor who helped US find OBL (Shakil Afridi) under US pressure. Or did they? :facepalm:
 
Then they had to delete those videos and escort him to Wagah border. They realised that they were in for some serious escalation and it was better to release the PoW.

After 27th

Pakistan's action was to release the PoW. Hoping for de escalation.

India has not de escalated and has forced pakistan to deploy further forces.


Very clear who was scared.

This guy's opinion doesn't apply to rest of the Indians. Most of us are pretty sane and aware of the situation even if we don't want to believe.
 
The funny part is the Indians came out all guns blazing at Pakistan in this scenario whereas the nation of Pakistan was busy watching the PSL
 
This guy's opinion doesn't apply to rest of the Indians. Most of us are pretty sane and aware of the situation even if we don't want to believe.

Nice try to fool the non indian posters. Joshila bhai's opinions resonate with the majority of us indians.
 
India chickened out lol. Pakistan released Abhinandan in 24 hrs after this.

Pretty obvious who chickened out.
Chicken out is when u talk about me but don’t quote me :-)

Abhi’s release was a peace gesture. As mentioned numerous times before, let not take this peace gesture as a sign of weakness. We can and will retaliate if required.
 
Chicken out is when u talk about me but don’t quote me :-)

Abhi’s release was a peace gesture. As mentioned numerous times before, let not take this peace gesture as a sign of weakness. We can and will retaliate if required.

Peace is made with the strong, not the weak. Pakistan knows The Mountain Modi ji's India is strong, therefore doing these peace gestures.
 
Peace is made with the strong, not the weak. Pakistan knows The Mountain Modi ji's India is strong, therefore doing these peace gestures.

India is not strong at all as was exposed in the latest skirmish. I challenge India to send its airforce and soldiers into Pakistani territory, whats holding the nations filled with Debabish Mohanties back?
 
India is not strong at all as was exposed in the latest skirmish. I challenge India to send its airforce and soldiers into Pakistani territory, whats holding the nations filled with Debabish Mohanties back?

If India is not strong, why did Pakistan extend the hand of peace?
 
Peace is made with the strong, not the weak. Pakistan knows The Mountain Modi ji's India is strong, therefore doing these peace gestures.

If we were weak then what is India waiting for? You are just wusses, like dogs, bark but not bite.
 
Destruction a quarter of humanity to win an election...awesome.
Why not go the tried and tested way of raiding raiding minority neighborhoods in Gujrat or burning down a priest? That usually gets the votes.
 
So you concede that you were afraid of our nukes.

We dont die. We reincarnate.

Wow, its quite easy to say these words when comfortably sitting somewhere, until and unless something self-destructive like nuclear war occurs.

Truth is, those who survive a nuclear war in Pakistan/India will be praying for death as life would become literally hell for them.

So much for Humans as intelligent beings. :facepalm:
 
Destruction a quarter of humanity to win an election...awesome.
Why not go the tried and tested way of raiding raiding minority neighborhoods in Gujrat or burning down a priest? That usually gets the votes.

Considering that most independent reports were saying that employment numbers were worst today in India than all the way back in 1970, raiding a few neighbourhoods just wouldn't have cut it for Modi. He needed something bigger like a nuclear standoff and fake surgical strikes going into the elections.
 
Abhi's release was a master-stroke and Imran Khan turned it into a win. Had he not released him at that point then by now there would have been a lot of pressure by the US perhaps and releasing him under pressure would have turned it into a PR defeat.

Even with that, Indians have negligible pressure when it comes to us, they have to run off to their Western daddies. Which for a supposed new superpowa is insulting.
 
And as for Joshila's types, there is no winning with them. Tomorrow if in an hypothetical world we give them Azhar (which would never ever happen as he is a Pakistani citizen) Indians instead of thanking us would celebrate how we caved in under pressure.
 
So you concede that you were afraid of our nukes.

We dont die. We reincarnate.

Both countries would've suffered massive losses. Considering india has higher populations, more would die when a nuclear war occurs. You sitting on your couch one day and boom, you are gone. That would be the outcome of a nuclear war. Any survivors would be left to die thanks to "nuclear winter".
 
Both countries would've suffered massive losses. Considering india has higher populations, more would die when a nuclear war occurs. You sitting on your couch one day and boom, you are gone. That would be the outcome of a nuclear war. Any survivors would be left to die thanks to "nuclear winter".

If nukes are so bad, then why their mascots like dr abdul qadir khan and dr abdul kalam given the highest awards of nishan-e-imtiaz and bharat ratna respectively?
 
If nukes are so bad, then why their mascots like dr abdul qadir khan and dr abdul kalam given the highest awards of nishan-e-imtiaz and bharat ratna respectively?
That is a race the whole world is going with. More nukes you got, more security you can ensure to your nation as you got retaliatory measure against your enemy. US and Russia went through it right after WW2. Pakistan-india went through it in the last decade or so. Iran and Saudi are going to go through it in the next decade.

As for the nukes being bad, well, it is ensuring nation's security hence the award to those scholars. It still requires you being a great intellect in becoming a nuclear physicist and coming up with the recipe for a nuclear bomb.
 
India chickened out lol. Pakistan released Abhinandan in 24 hrs after this.

Pretty obvious who chickened out.

:)))

Pakistan actually captured your pilot, invaded your airspace and you have lost a total of 50-55 soldiers during these skirmishes.

Who won this round?
 
ANI:
Indian air defence radars detected two Pakistani Air Force jets go supersonic 10KM from LoC (within their territory) in the Poonch sector, loud bangs heard last night in the area were due to sonic booms. All Indian air defences and radar systems are on high alert.

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1105813945636540416

Hear a loud noise in the neighbourhood, and the entire city is awake all night fearing bomb blasts.
Is this what we have been reduced to?!! #Amritsar.

https://twitter.com/Drpriyankanaik/status/1106420033922580481

yup, its clear whos scared, lahoris were sleeping while people in Amritsar were awake all nite... good going soldier ... :)))

:)))

Pakistan actually captured your pilot, invaded your airspace and you have lost a total of 50-55 soldiers during these skirmishes.

Who won this round?

50 -55 soldiers haha...?while Pakistan didn't even loose one?? Lolz...
India didn't loose even one pilot. One pilot you captured and you had to return in any case.

I bet you that if we had captured your pilot. We would not have released him in 7 births and everybody knows that.
 
The funny part is the Indians came out all guns blazing at Pakistan in this scenario whereas the nation of Pakistan was busy watching the PSL

Haha this. People in PAK were too busy with the PSL. No time for their barking.
 
We bombed Balakote.

and ? Did you achieve anything but destroying some trees ?

Indian media told you complete lies - everyone on PP was sceptical of the ** story about killing 300 terrorists within hours because it didn’t make sense but this lie made into your national headlines.

Only when international media scrutinised this ridiculous claim did a few of your media outlets backtrack with some shame but even then there are still
many who still parrot it or worse believe it.

You may have been celebrating for one day in the heavens but you were brought back down to Earth the next day. You achived nothing and you know it.
 
I bet you that if we had captured your pilot. We would not have released him in 7 births and everybody knows that.

Yes we all know you guys are saffron extremists. Nobody expects you to work for peace.
 
Abhi's release was a master-stroke and Imran Khan turned it into a win. Had he not released him at that point then by now there would have been a lot of pressure by the US perhaps and releasing him under pressure would have turned it into a PR defeat.

Even with that, Indians have negligible pressure when it comes to us, they have to run off to their Western daddies. Which for a supposed new superpowa is insulting.

What 99% of the ppl in this thread, does not understand is; every time there is a terrorists attack of large scale in India from here on, it could escalate to war, that is quite a scary situation people of India and Pakistan are facing. Previously under the timid Congress Monmohan Singh Government a terrorist attack of large scale would be brushed under the carpet but not with Modi. I believe Pakistan need to stop this failed strategy of bleed India with a 1000 cuts, it has achieved nothing and to top it all off, Pakistan is nearly bankrupt. However one thing that could change, is the existence of the number of people in the area due to a potential war.... Need to think long and hard from here on before instructions are given from somewhere to proceed with a Mumbai or Pathankot...
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] are you really that thick or just trying to be? yes if we were so scared of mighty India why we shot down your fighter plan and caught the pilot in the 1st place? just answer this simple question.

To be fair, shooting down a MIG 21 Bison is nothing of an achievement, they fall from the sky on their own :))...
 
What 99% of the ppl in this thread, does not understand is; every time there is a terrorists attack of large scale in India from here on, it could escalate to war, that is quite a scary situation people of India and Pakistan are facing. Previously under the timid Congress Monmohan Singh Government a terrorist attack of large scale would be brushed under the carpet but not with Modi. I believe Pakistan need to stop this failed strategy of bleed India with a 1000 cuts, it has achieved nothing and to top it all off, Pakistan is nearly bankrupt. However one thing that could change, is the existence of the number of people in the area due to a potential war.... Need to think long and hard from here on before instructions are given from somewhere to proceed with a Mumbai or Pathankot...

Any attack is India's fault really. The attack was locally done by a local with explosives bought locally who's own parents told the press he did it because of being humiliated by Indian troops again and again. If your 700,000 army along with thousands of intelligence operatives can't control the security its your fault really.

If India can stop sending Yadavs maybe we can stop too. As for war, it won't happen beyond what's happened already.
 
Any attack is India's fault really. The attack was locally done by a local with explosives bought locally who's own parents told the press he did it because of being humiliated by Indian troops again and again. If your 700,000 army along with thousands of intelligence operatives can't control the security its your fault really.

If India can stop sending Yadavs maybe we can stop too. As for war, it won't happen beyond what's happened already.

Part of me do believe the Pulwama attack was a political event by the Indian government. However you also have to ask how a local kid with zero access on a heavily monitored area can get upto 350kg worth of explosives.... It could either be India or Pakistan.... However I was talking about Pathankot and Mumbai attacks....
 
Part of me do believe the Pulwama attack was a political event by the Indian government. However you also have to ask how a local kid with zero access on a heavily monitored area can get upto 350kg worth of explosives.... It could either be India or Pakistan.... However I was talking about Pathankot and Mumbai attacks....

If Pakistan can sneak in a quater of a ton of explosives across the most militarised border on earth and then past almost a million Indian soldiers and intelligence apparatus then I have to seriously question your military. 350kg is not a small briefcase.
 
India on Wednesday successfully conducted a maiden flight test of its indigenously developed surface-to-surface ballistic missile "Pralay" off the coast of Odisha.

Pralay was launched from Dr APJ Abdul Kalam Island in the eastern state of Odisha, according to an official announcement released by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). “The mission has met all its objectives,” it added.

“The new missile followed the desired quasi-ballistic trajectory and reached the designated target with high degree accuracy, validating the control, guidance and mission algorithms. All the sub-systems performed satisfactorily. All the sensors deployed near the impact point across the eastern coast, including the downrange ships, tracked the missile trajectory and captured all the events,” it stated.

The missile is powered by a solid-propellant rocket motor and many new technologies. The missile has a range of 150-500 kilometres and can be launched from a mobile launcher. The missile guidance system includes a state-of-the-art navigation system and integrated avionics, said the statement.

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh congratulated the DRDO and associated teams on the rapid development and successful launch of a new surface-to-surface missile.

The Pralay test came just one day after India announced that it had begun deploying the Russian S-400 air defence missile system in Punjab, India's northern state near Pakistan border.

"The Indian Air Force is deploying the S-400 on the western border to counter possible threats from Pakistan and China. The S-400 batteries will be capable of dealing with airborne threats from Pakistan and China," a local media reported.

Pakistan also stated on Tuesday that it had successfully tested a longer-ranged version of its indigenously-built Babur cruise missile 1B.

The ordinance is capable of striking both land and sea targets with "high accuracy," the statement said.

This comes days after India tested its own next-generation nuclear-capable ballistic missile, Agni-P


https://tribune.com.pk/story/2335128/india-tests-fire-short-range-ballistic-missile
 
I heard s-400 makes it impossible for any PAF fighter jets to enter the indian air space and get away ? How much of it is it true ?
 
I heard s-400 makes it impossible for any PAF fighter jets to enter the indian air space and get away ? How much of it is it true ?

A tool is only worth in proper hands.

Don't be surprised if India end up shooting their own jets/helicopters etc.

Monkeys, matches and all that.
 
I heard s-400 makes it impossible for any PAF fighter jets to enter the indian air space and get away ? How much of it is it true ?

No this is not entirely true. What they will do is protect sensitive Indian sites and facilities and attempt to make it incredibly difficult for the PAF to repeat swift retort. However the PAF has been training against the s400 for a significant period and the Chinese can most probably hack it any way. (In other words they will understand its weakness and will have counter measures developed).

Also we have a heavy arsenal of anti radiation missiles and are introducing a large number of drones that will be used against them.

India is hell bent on creating a Israel like situation in South Asia where they can bomb whatever country they want without retaliation. We can't let that happen. We won't let that happen.

We have no real plans to enter deep into Indian airspace but will retaliate if they try to attack us or bomb us. As usual they think buying the biggest gun makes them a dada in the neighbourhood but reality can give you rude awakenings at times..
 
However the PAF has been training against the s400 for a significant period and the Chinese can most probably hack it any way. (In other words they will understand its weakness and will have counter measures developed).

This one does not fly. Chinese have purchased and deployed s400 for their own air defence. Why would they reveal its weakness to anyone?

Pakistan's military will lose its edges over time with increasing distance from USA/NATO. Pakistan had access to technologies India never had - AIM-120, F16s, air defence, p-8, stinger missile, cobra helicopters, sensors like night vision goggles etc - free or with cheap financing. Something Pakistan will not be able to replicate with China or Russia. Not to mention the American/NATO exclusivity of some of these tech.

On the other hand, India has been making rapid advances in last 1-2 decades in indigenous technologies especially missile and electronic warfare. Also some of the acquisitions (s400, rafale etc) in the last few years are game changers vis-a-vis Pakistan
 
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