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India sponsors terrorism in Pakistan, avoids peace talks on flimsy grounds: FM Qureshi tells UNGA

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Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, while representing Pakistan at the 73rd session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York, said Pakistan wanted to engage with "all countries and neighbours on the basis of peace and equality”.

The foreign minister addressed the audience in the national language, Urdu.

"I address you today as the representative of a country moving towards prosperity and development," Qureshi said at the start of his speech.

The foreign minister said, "Today the world is at crossroads as protectionism, populism and isolationism are gaining currency. New forms and manifestations of imperialism are appearing, and dark clouds of trade wars are looming large."

"In these uncertain times, the global community seems desperate for leadership, vision and an order," said Qureshi, adding that Pakistan will continue to "collaborate on the platforms of United Nations and Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) to reverse the tide of bigotry".


Being specific about Indian aggression in region

Briefing the audience about the long outstanding issues with India, Qureshi cleared that Pakistan wanted to "resolve outstanding issues with India through dialogue but the Indian government has wasted an opportunity for the third time — each time with flimsy excuses".

Qureshi said that the unresolved Kashmir dispute poses a great threat to peace and stability in the region. "Peace can never be established in South Asia unless the issue of Kashmir is resolved in accordance with the UN resolutions," Qureshi asserted.

He said that India must "stop human rights violations in the occupied Kashmir and also stop ceasefire violations across the line of control".

The foreign minister warned that India will face a "severe reaction if it attempted any misadventure against Pakistan".

"India has been sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan and Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav was involved in planning and sponsoring terrorist activities in Pakistan on behalf of the Indian government," Qureshi said, while briefing the world about direct Indian involvement in sponsoring terrorist activities inside Pakistan.

He continued to say Jadhav has provided Pakistani authorities with "the most incriminating evidence" and that he was "but one Indian state-sponsored terrorist (among many)".

"It is India that in plain sight operates state terrorism in Jammu Kashmir," he stressed adding that it is a matter of great concern that "humanity is being crushed and human rights are being violated all across India".

Peace in the South Asian region directly relies on a justified settlement of Kashmir dispute in the light of UNSC resolutions and the will of the people of Kashmir, the minister maintained.

The foreign minister clarified that Pakistan wanted to engage with "all countries and neighbours on the basis of peace and equality”.

"Pakistan stands ready to strengthen its partnership with UN's family of institutions," he asserted.

“The horrors of terrorism can only be rectified by immediate rehabilitation progress,” he said, adding that the UN Sustainable Development Goals must be ensured on immediate bases.


Qureshi urges world to respect religious sentiments of Muslims

"Madam president, consider the issue of striking the right balance between the freedom of expression and sentiments of the people. Where there ought to be empathy, understanding and compassion, we see caricatured, ill-informed, jaundiced judgements.

"Recently, Muslims across the world were pained at a planned competition of cartoons of our Holy Prophet (PBUH). This deeply hurt Muslim sentiments and sensibilities," he said

On its part, Pakistan will continue to collaborate with friends and partners on the UN and OIC platforms to reverse the growing tide of bigotry, to build cross-cultural understandings and to build dialogue amongst civilisations, the minister vowed.

"Pakistan remains one of the oldest, largest and most active contributors to the UN peacekeeping operations the world over. The Pakistani blue helmets have never hesitated to give up lives in the cause of global peace. We are proud of their sacrifices," Qureshi apprised the world leaders.

At the start of his address, the foreign minister extended condolences over the passing of former UN secretary general Kofi Annan, and also expressed sympathy with the government and the people of Indonesia for the damage caused by recent earthquakes and tsunami.

"The Kashmiri boy losing his sight and future to a pellet gun, the Syrian dad seeing his child drown, the Palestinian girl suffocating under siege, the African migrant risking all for a better life, continue to look towards the UN for support. Let us not fail them any longer," Qureshi concluded.

The foreign minister is expected to meet US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Tuesday.

Giving an interview to Al-Jazeera television earlier this week, Qureshi said the new government had inherited strained relations with two key countries — India and the United States — and was working to improve ties with both.

Referring to Prime Minister Imran Khan’s July 26 peace offer to India, Qureshi said that seeking a constructive dialogue with India was a key component of the new government’s policies.

“What we did…we thought made sense. Two neighbours with outstanding issues, atomic powers. How do you fix things? War is no option. There is no military solution: the only solution is a dialogue,” he had emphasised.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1435757/i...talks-on-flimsy-grounds-fm-qureshi-tells-unga
 
India won't budge on its ignore and isolate policy. The Pakistani think tank needs to be more creative.
 
India got bashed good and proper by Shah Mahmood. To further shame India he mentioned terrorist Kulbushan and Samjhauta Express as well. Ultimately, Indian soldiers are dying in IoK and will continue to do so. This is something India can not ignore.
 
Additionally, Shah Mehmood who has good command of the English language chose to speak in Urdu. No need to always speak in English like the Indian people do out of their massive western complex. As most Pakistanis do not speak or understand English it was important that they understood the speech. Let the UN use interpreter's.
 
UN is nobody in world unfortunately. Between any response by indian side ????
Anyway UN need to think logical and act accordingly. They need to have sense to know the difference between victim and other one.
 
India got bashed good and proper by Shah Mahmood. To further shame India he mentioned terrorist Kulbushan and Samjhauta Express as well. Ultimately, Indian soldiers are dying in IoK and will continue to do so. This is something India can not ignore.

Thing is UN designated terrorists roam free in Pakistan and not India. Various countries accuse pakistan of terrorist activities.

India retaliates to any such attack on Indian soldiers with a similar response on LoC. Will continue to do so. We have much larger resources to continue this war.

Pakistan OTOH is in need of IMF bailouts.
 
Additionally, Shah Mehmood who has good command of the English language chose to speak in Urdu. No need to always speak in English like the Indian people do out of their massive western complex. As most Pakistanis do not speak or understand English it was important that they understood the speech. Let the UN use interpreter's.

Many Indians have addressed the UN in Hindi. AB Vajpayee,Modi etc. Vajpayee 1st did it way back in 70s.
 
Great speech and raised lot of valid points but sadly UN is absolutely useless forum and it doesn't really matter what people say there anyway.
 
Thing is UN designated terrorists roam free in Pakistan and not India. Various countries accuse pakistan of terrorist activities.

India retaliates to any such attack on Indian soldiers with a similar response on LoC. Will continue to do so. We have much larger resources to continue this war.

Pakistan OTOH is in need of IMF bailouts.

If Pakistan went down to Indian level, SMQ would have said "We don't elect terrorists as Prime Ministers like our neighbour did and religious fundamentalists hardly win any seats unlike our neighbours where ruling party is full of religious extremists :)
 
Qureshi urges world to respect religious sentiments of Muslims

"Madam president, consider the issue of striking the right balance between the freedom of expression and sentiments of the people. Where there ought to be empathy, understanding and compassion, we see caricatured, ill-informed, jaundiced judgements.

"Recently, Muslims across the world were pained at a planned competition of cartoons of our Holy Prophet (PBUH). This deeply hurt Muslim sentiments and sensibilities," he said



https://www.dawn.com/news/1435757/i...talks-on-flimsy-grounds-fm-qureshi-tells-unga

Silly move, the muslim resentment is at its peak across the world, Islamaphobia is on the rise. If anything this will make ppl more anti-Islam, he had to bring religion into it, as a muslim Pakistani.. Should have kept religion out of it, you muslims keep failing to realize you do not have the political, financial or the military might to change how ppl feel about your religion. A good start would be; instead of concentrating on your selective Ummah, Kashmir, Palestine etc work on the building the economy, country so you lot are taken seriously in the international scene, otherwise nothing will change all you will do is talk with zero result...


The UK muslim crusaders may soon reply back to my post saying how wrong I am, but proof is in the pudding.....
 
If Pakistan went down to Indian level, SMQ would have said "We don't elect terrorists as Prime Ministers like our neighbour did and religious fundamentalists hardly win any seats unlike our neighbours where ruling party is full of religious extremists :)

Thing is no one will take SMQ seriously. Pakistan calling anyone terrorist doesnot make him one.

Here we are talking of UN and internationally banned terror organisations. Pakistan has a number of them. :)
 
After Kargil, I have taken any talks of peace made by Pakistan with a grain of salt. Forget the terrorist organisation, when you yourself start a war, how does it translates to peace?
 
That's cute. :salute

One of the reasons I support Indian government's way of dealing with Pakistan. You can't engage in dialogue with a country that is not only actively supporting terrorist organisations, but will resort to lame counter-accusations that not even their closest allies take seriously.
 
After Kargil, I have taken any talks of peace made by Pakistan with a grain of salt. Forget the terrorist organisation, when you yourself start a war, how does it translates to peace?

That's the most ironic part. Here, the side crying for talks and peace is not only actively funding and training militants to enter India, but they are also the ones to start cowardly and deluded military expeditions when India least expects it.

If India wasn't so soft, scope for any future talks on Kashmir should have ended with the Kargil back-stabbing.
 
Seeking peace with extremists Hindu PM, whose political bread and butter is anti-Muslim of India and anti-Pakistan is waste of a time.

Don’t let extremists nationalists of India on this forum fool ya into thinking otherwise.
 
Seeking peace with extremists Hindu PM, whose political bread and butter is anti-Muslim of India and anti-Pakistan is waste of a time.

Don’t let extremists nationalists of India on this forum fool ya into thinking otherwise.

Agreed. So let's not waste time with these so called "dialogues".

We are all on the same page.
 
Seeking peace with extremists Hindu PM, whose political bread and butter is anti-Muslim of India and anti-Pakistan is waste of a time.

Don’t let extremists nationalists of India on this forum fool ya into thinking otherwise.

Yet its Pakistanis who are on extreme vetting lists of countries.

Yet its pakistan which has UN designated terrorists.

Being salty wont change the facts. Keep whining at the UN though.
 
Nice talk, but how does that translate on the field actually ?

Ban Bollywood and Indian diplomats for a beginning.
 
If Pakistan went down to Indian level, SMQ would have said "We don't elect terrorists as Prime Ministers like our neighbour did and religious fundamentalists hardly win any seats unlike our neighbours where ruling party is full of religious extremists :)

Great post.
 
Great speech by SMQ- at least we have someone competent and articulate representing us on the international stage. You can see why the Inds were big fans of NS.
 
What not another surgical strike? Btw you promised evidence for the previous one, whatever happened to it?

Evidence was shown to the people who mattered. Envoys of various important countries.

There are many options.

Heating up the LoC
Scraping the IWT

Scraping the IWT is a very good option.
 
Excellent speech by SMQ. Now the world will get the message that army,govt and the people of pakistan on the same ,aur ab in sarron ka rona dhona hota he reh ga.
 
SMQ can speak very well and I always support staying true to one's roots and language. I cringe hard when people unnecessarily mix English words while speaking in Urdu.

However I think in front of the whole world it is better to speak in English which is a widely understood language and which SMQ can speak as well. Because though his speech was great I wonder how much of it was lost in the translation. I fear the emotions and determination might not come across the same way during the translation. You don't know how articulate the interpreter is. Hence it is better to address the world directly in a language which they can understand. There is no shame in speaking in English when the situation calls for it.

SMQ can continue to address the nation in Urdu though the leaders of the world need to hear our stance directly from our heart and not through a medium of translation.
 
Can't host a Cricket match.
Can't stop foreign forces from bombing your territory.


But the battle hardened PK army will eat Indian alive. Thanks for the laughs. :))

And you cant tame a few thousand Kashmiri freedom fighters. You rape and murder but still cant win. The surgical strikes, whatever happened to the evidence.
 
What a terrible view. So just because Islamophoba is on the rise around the world, atrocities to Muslims should be brushed under the carpet? That would amount to rewarding the aggressors who are carrying out the systematic murder and rape of a community. Imagine using that argument to justify anti-semitism during the rise of Nazism in Hitler's Germany. For shame.

The Indians want us to stay quiet but we wont.
 
Yet its Pakistanis who are on extreme vetting lists of countries.

Yet its pakistan which has UN designated terrorists.

Being salty wont change the facts. Keep whining at the UN though.

Salty, whining ?

You are the one who can’t provide Surgical strike evidence.

Stop trying to spin everything.

You haven’t talked about your big $$$ bills and big foreign weapons bought by the big $$$ bills to conduct surgical strikes. Go on entertain yourself. Lol

Difference is, Indian general population have elected radicalized extremists Hindu as a PM whose political bread and butter is Anti- Muslim and Anti Pakistan.
 
Agreed. So let's not waste time with these so called "dialogues".

We are all on the same page.

I agree, as long religious extremists Hindu have the hold and hijacked Indian general population, Pakistan can’t expect any peace due to inherited hate towards Muslims and Pakistan and brain washed the other peace loving Hindus against Muslims and Pakistan.
 
And in another thread dialogue was being argued as best method to resolve Kashmir issue.

Lol@hypocrisy of most people.

Wish IoK cedes to India and Azad Kashmir to Pakistan and we move on.
 
On one hand Pakistan claims that India is sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan and on the other hand it is asking for talks and negotiations with India. Why would you want to talk to a country that is involved in such underhand and nasty activities?
 
And in another thread dialogue was being argued as best method to resolve Kashmir issue.

Lol@hypocrisy of most people.

Wish IoK cedes to India and Azad Kashmir to Pakistan and we move on.

It is still and will always be.

Why there isn’t no dialogue is because Modi’s and BJP political bread and butter is Anti-Muslims and Anti- Pakistan.

Do not confuse why we aren’t having dialogue with what is the best and only option for peace, which is Dialogue.
 
On one hand Pakistan claims that India is sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan and on the other hand it is asking for talks and negotiations with India. Why would you want to talk to a country that is involved in such underhand and nasty activities?

Suggest any other option ?
 
And in another thread dialogue was being argued as best method to resolve Kashmir issue.

Lol@hypocrisy of most people.

Wish IoK cedes to India and Azad Kashmir to Pakistan and we move on.

Why do wish for one anything, why not let the people decide. If people in Kashmir want to be with Ind, then so be it but at least give them a choice.
 
On one hand Pakistan claims that India is sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan and on the other hand it is asking for talks and negotiations with India. Why would you want to talk to a country that is involved in such underhand and nasty activities?

So that they stop.
 
Why do wish for one anything, why not let the people decide. If people in Kashmir want to be with Ind, then so be it but at least give them a choice.

Sure.

According to United Nations Pakistan must move its troops out of Kashmir before plebiscite can be held.

Care to agree?
 
SMQ can speak very well and I always support staying true to one's roots and language. I cringe hard when people unnecessarily mix English words while speaking in Urdu.

However I think in front of the whole world it is better to speak in English which is a widely understood language and which SMQ can speak as well. Because though his speech was great I wonder how much of it was lost in the translation. I fear the emotions and determination might not come across the same way during the translation. You don't know how articulate the interpreter is. Hence it is better to address the world directly in a language which they can understand. There is no shame in speaking in English when the situation calls for it.

SMQ can continue to address the nation in Urdu though the leaders of the world need to hear our stance directly from our heart and not through a medium of translation.

Came here to say this.
Speech in Urdu, its an opportunity missed by Pakistan.
 
Salty, whining ?

You are the one who can’t provide Surgical strike evidence.

Stop trying to spin everything.

You haven’t talked about your big $$$ bills and big foreign weapons bought by the big $$$ bills to conduct surgical strikes. Go on entertain yourself. Lol

Difference is, Indian general population have elected radicalized extremists Hindu as a PM whose political bread and butter is Anti- Muslim and Anti Pakistan.

Joshila told me back then 'to wait and watch evidence is coming', that was then. Still nothing :))
 
Sure.

According to United Nations Pakistan must move its troops out of Kashmir before plebiscite can be held.

Care to agree?

I would move out.

However there needs to be a third part guarantee that the already occupying Indian forces won't venture out and occupy the rest of the area.
 
On one hand Pakistan claims that India is sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan and on the other hand it is asking for talks and negotiations with India. Why would you want to talk to a country that is involved in such underhand and nasty activities?

good point. Our leadership should move on from this aman ki asha nonsense and should respond fire with fire.
 
On one hand Pakistan claims that India is sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan and on the other hand it is asking for talks and negotiations with India. Why would you want to talk to a country that is involved in such underhand and nasty activities?

At some point somebody had to act like a grown up and swallow the pride. Otherwise the conflict will continue and the next generations would be blindly fighting over something their forefathers failed to resolve.
 
Sure.

According to United Nations Pakistan must move its troops out of Kashmir before plebiscite can be held.

Care to agree?

This is a flawed Indian argument. When India announces a vote for self determination, Pakistan will move it's troops very quickly because everyone knows the Kashmiri's will either decide on independence or to be with Pakistan, nothing else. India believes ALL of Kashmir is theirs including Azad Kashmir and have no plans for a plebsicte despite the territory being disputed under International law.

Very good speech at the UN. All the major nations know India has been causing terrorism in Pakistan, therefore they dont give too much importance to the Indian victim view.
 
This is a flawed Indian argument. When India announces a vote for self determination, Pakistan will move it's troops very quickly because everyone knows the Kashmiri's will either decide on independence or to be with Pakistan, nothing else. India believes ALL of Kashmir is theirs including Azad Kashmir and have no plans for a plebsicte despite the territory being disputed under International law.

Very good speech at the UN. All the major nations know India has been causing terrorism in Pakistan, therefore they dont give too much importance to the Indian victim view.

So any new sanctions on India?
 
Thing is UN designated terrorists roam free in Pakistan and not India. Various countries accuse pakistan of terrorist activities.

India retaliates to any such attack on Indian soldiers with a similar response on LoC. Will continue to do so. We have much larger resources to continue this war.

Pakistan OTOH is in need of IMF bailouts.

What various countries are those? Pak mentioned Indian terrorism in Afghanistan as well that is acknowledged by the Americans anyway. Kulbushan the Indian terrorist caught in Pak was also mentioned for the first time as well. It is no coincidence that since his capture their has been a massive drop in terrorism activities in Pak. Well if you want war then you know where we are, it would be nice if you put your money where your mouth is for a change instead of making cheap and boring threats! You don't worry about the IMP instead the world is watching you over the Rafale deals that has got India in big trouble. You hit us and we will smash you to pieces!
 
So any new sanctions on India?

There will be no sanctions against India because it has sold itself to the Zionist American ideology. Hindu extremists in power see Muslims as enemies and therefore have sided with others who are also oppressing a population. The difference is Israel is a not a third world nation with hundreds of millions in poverty and are not in any real danger neighoubring a nuclear state. India is very foolish to join hands with other fascist states because they are only using India and dont care about brown Indians in any way. USA would veto any sanctions.
 
Additionally, Shah Mehmood who has good command of the English language chose to speak in Urdu. No need to always speak in English like the Indian people do out of their massive western complex. As most Pakistanis do not speak or understand English it was important that they understood the speech. Let the UN use interpreter's.

English is desirable for Indians because there are too may languages (literally 100s) unlike say Pakistan, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh. Hindi is spoken in North (primarily) and West (2nd or 3rd language) but what about North East and South India? There is a reason why most of us prefer a language like English which is common footing. Under Modi government there is a shift towards Hindi and at least in Tamil Nadu and Kerala there is heavy opposition. Under Congress (pan India, tolerant compared to BJP) government English was common but these days in international platforms Hindi is being given a push by the Hindi chauvinists.
 
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This is a flawed Indian argument. When India announces a vote for self determination, Pakistan will move it's troops very quickly because everyone knows the Kashmiri's will either decide on independence or to be with Pakistan, nothing else. India believes ALL of Kashmir is theirs including Azad Kashmir and have no plans for a plebsicte despite the territory being disputed under International law.

Very good speech at the UN. All the major nations know India has been causing terrorism in Pakistan, therefore they dont give too much importance to the Indian victim view.

The problem is when Pakistan asks UN to intervene, they have given a mandate.

Whether Pakistan believes this mandate will not be carried out from Indian end is irrelevant.

Pakistan cannot ask United Nations to help and when they offer a solution, make demands that first self determination should be done and then Pakistan will move out.

Whatever the nefarious designs of India... one must follow UN decision to the spirit or reject it altogether.
 
There should be referendum in Kashmir, as an Indian citizen I want Kashmiris to decide their future.
 
The problem is when Pakistan asks UN to intervene, they have given a mandate.

Whether Pakistan believes this mandate will not be carried out from Indian end is irrelevant.

Pakistan cannot ask United Nations to help and when they offer a solution, make demands that first self determination should be done and then Pakistan will move out.

Whatever the nefarious designs of India... one must follow UN decision to the spirit or reject it altogether.

The idea is for BOTH to move their troops out and for India to give the right of self determination. Nobody expects Pakistan to spend millions of $ moving their troops when India goes against the main principle of disputed territory. But ok, Pakistan moves it troops out. What's going to happen next?
 
The idea is for BOTH to move their troops out and for India to give the right of self determination. Nobody expects Pakistan to spend millions of $ moving their troops when India goes against the main principle of disputed territory. But ok, Pakistan moves it troops out. What's going to happen next?

Probably India will never hold plebisicite.

Which is why United Nations decision is just a smoke screen.

The dispute will not be resolved in next 100 years.
 
Probably India will never hold plebisicite.

Which is why United Nations decision is just a smoke screen.

The dispute will not be resolved in next 100 years.

Spot on, they wont. Which is why the argument Pakistan has to pull out first, is nonsensical.

All it will take is an Indian leader who is not an extremist and has a new vision but atm this is a long way off. No people who have been occupied have remained under occupation throughout history. The day will come.
 
The problem is when Pakistan asks UN to intervene, they have given a mandate.

Whether Pakistan believes this mandate will not be carried out from Indian end is irrelevant.

Pakistan cannot ask United Nations to help and when they offer a solution, make demands that first self determination should be done and then Pakistan will move out.

Whatever the nefarious designs of India... one must follow UN decision to the spirit or reject it altogether.

India has to agree to referendum. If that happens, Pakistan must withdraw.

India won’t agree as they will lose.

Read the following by a Kashmiri harvardian:-

https://m.greaterkashmir.com/news/opinion/for-the-sake-of-argument/196402.html
 
Spot on, they wont. Which is why the argument Pakistan has to pull out first, is nonsensical.

All it will take is an Indian leader who is not an extremist and has a new vision but atm this is a long way off. No people who have been occupied have remained under occupation throughout history. The day will come.

We can pull out first on the condition they agree not to enter AJK
 
Ok they dont enter. Then they dont give the vote. You will end up spending money for nothing.

No if they don't hold the referendum after we pull out it will expose their hypocrisy in front of their own nation and the whole world. What we are trying to dk is hold Indian establishment accountable while we ourselves aren't willing to be accountable. We can't demand the referendum in Kashmir without fulfilling our side of the agreement.

It is not spending money for nothing. It is spending money for a step towards the solution of the problem. Do we really care aboug the violence in IOK or are we just playing along in a political game? So wasting money might be the worst case scenario while in the best case we put an end to the violence and bring peace in the region.

When we can't swallow our pride and go through the purposed solution how can we expect the Indians to swallow their pride and fulfill their part?
 
So as i said there was no strike, and you are fooled into thinking there was one. The Indians think they are in Bollywood film, remember you need 700000 troops to tame a few thousand Kashmiri freedom fighters, a battle hardened PK army would eat you alive.

Did this army eat us alive in 70 yrs? Lol.
 
Salty, whining ?

You are the one who can’t provide Surgical strike evidence.

Stop trying to spin everything.

You haven’t talked about your big $$$ bills and big foreign weapons bought by the big $$$ bills to conduct surgical strikes. Go on entertain yourself. Lol

Difference is, Indian general population have elected radicalized extremists Hindu as a PM whose political bread and butter is Anti- Muslim and Anti Pakistan.

As our govt told Pakistan. We simply do not care what you think. There is nothing you can do.

Better try to get Pakistan of FATF list and pakistanis off extreme vetting lists.
 
Probably India will never hold plebisicite.

Which is why United Nations decision is just a smoke screen.

The dispute will not be resolved in next 100 years.

It might certainly be a "smoke screen". But we are living in a different times than 1948. It is the age of information. Now the whole world is watching and we are living in a global village.

Before we withdraw we should make sure the whole world is aware of the problem and what we plan on to do and that it is because of the agreement and mutually accepted solution. If we withdraw and UN is still not able to hold independent referendum it will expose UN as a farce while giving legitimacy to extremist element who already claim that violence is the answer and the world isn't interested in solving their plight. It would give legitimacy to an armed struggle to liberate Kashmir since after all the "peaceful" democratic solution was tried out and nobody helped it go through.
 
There will be no sanctions against India because it has sold itself to the Zionist American ideology. Hindu extremists in power see Muslims as enemies and therefore have sided with others who are also oppressing a population. The difference is Israel is a not a third world nation with hundreds of millions in poverty and are not in any real danger neighoubring a nuclear state. India is very foolish to join hands with other fascist states because they are only using India and dont care about brown Indians in any way. USA would veto any sanctions.

We are more than capable of looking after ourselves. Look after pakistan.
 
No if they don't hold the referendum after we pull out it will expose their hypocrisy in front of their own nation and the whole world. What we are trying to dk is hold Indian establishment accountable while we ourselves aren't willing to be accountable. We can't demand the referendum in Kashmir without fulfilling our side of the agreement.

It is not spending money for nothing. It is spending money for a step towards the solution of the problem. Do we really care aboug the violence in IOK or are we just playing along in a political game? So wasting money might be the worst case scenario while in the best case we put an end to the violence and bring peace in the region.

When we can't swallow our pride and go through the purposed solution how can we expect the Indians to swallow their pride and fulfill their part?

India brutalizes people in Kashmir, rape ,torture, murder, cutting off basic rights such as freedom of movement. If you're plan is to shame them into changing, you are way off the mark. Many of it's own people agree with it's inhumane policies while the world can only talk but not do much as any new resolution will be vetoed.
 
Ok they dont enter. Then they dont give the vote. You will end up spending money for nothing.

Pak army moves out. UN forces move in. They take over PoK. If india doesnot conduct plebicite then UN can recognise PoK as an independent nation and a UN member.
 
As soon as you confirm there will be a vote for self determination. When will Indian confirm this?

A limited number of troops. Wait for India to agree to referendum before anything else...it won’t happen in the near future though...
 
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India brutalizes people in Kashmir, rape ,torture, murder, cutting off basic rights such as freedom of movement. If you're plan is to shame them into changing, you are way off the mark. Many of it's own people agree with it's inhumane policies while the world can only talk but not do much as any new resolution will be vetoed.

My plan isn't "shaming" them. My plan is to hold myself accountable first and then ask the other party to come forward. My plan is to make peace. My plan is to expose their hypocrisy if they are hypocrite. It is to take away India's high moral ground while appealing to the sensitivie and rational part of India's population.

KingKhanWC said:
All it will take is an Indian leader who is not an extremist and has a new vision but atm this is a long way off.

If I simplify your view just like you did mine it seems your plan is to carry on with the old way while "hoping" that a sensible Indian government comes to power one day and somehow becomes kind-hearted and 'gift' us Kashmir. Meanwhile the rape, torture and murder continues in Kashmir. If many of its people agree with the inhumane actions in Kashmir how will they ever vote for a Kashmir friendly government? How will such a leader ever find support?

I dont think Indian people are evil by heart. The reason they agree to the violence in Kashmir is because their establishment is able to sell a narrative to its population. If we go through my plan which isn't even my plan but part of the agreement, we take away Indian government's narrative and in fact could potentially win over part of India's population.

In the worst case scenario if my plan fails it would justify our stance and military approach towards Kashmir conflict. Our armed forces already claim they are ready for war if it has to be. Then why not first hold ourselves accountable, fullfil our part of the solution and hence justify our hostility towards India.
 
It boils my blood that PMLN and PPP who were in Gov for 30 years didnt say a single word to condemn GOI and their atrocities in kashmir and in pakistan. Its high time we put them in place and return the taste !
 
And you think we trust you. You even lied about the non existent surgical strikes

Sunny Seoul is probably writhing a script of evidence that Modi will approve before election so radicalized nationalists can sleep thinking their savior had done something against Pakistan. Lol
 
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