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The Indian supreme court has upheld a decision to annul the marriage of a 24-year-old woman in Kerala and force her to live back at her parents’ house because she married a Muslim man.

The woman, Akhila Ashokan, who prefers to be known as Hadiya, converted to Islam from Hinduism while studying medicine in Coimbatore in Tamil Nadu. Last year, she met Shafin Jahan, a Muslim, and they married in December. Her livid father went to the Kerala high court demanding that Hadiya be returned to his custody.

In May, the court nullified the wedding and forcibly sent Hadiya back to her parental home in Kottayam despite her express wish not to return. The controversial judgment said Hadiya was “weak and vulnerable, capable of being exploited in many ways” and that “her marriage being the most important decision in her life, can also be taken only with the active involvement of her parents”.

On Wednesday, the supreme court ruled that India’s National Investigation Agency, which investigates terrorism, must assess whether Hadiya converted freely to Islam or was part of a “love jihad” – a phrase used by some Hindu fringe groups to allege that Muslim men are forcing Hindu women into marriage.

Hadiya has had virtually no contact with anyone outside her parents’ home since May. Local reporters say she has no phone or internet access and the house is guarded by police officers. A police officer quoted in the local media said social isolation had made Hadiya depressed.

Jahan approached the supreme court to rule on the validity of the ruling that annulled his marriage. In his petition, he said the high court order was an “insult to the independence of the women of India as it completely takes away their right to think for themselves”.

But instead of overturning the lower court’s ruling, the supreme court ordered a federal investigation into the union.

In a video clip of Hadiya in her parent’s house, shot recently by a social activist, she is heard asking her mother: “Is this how I should live? Is this my life?”

The supreme court judgment has shocked women’s rights activists. The court has established a reputation for supporting Indian women by ruling against honour killings and other customs that deny women the right to exercise their choice.

Rebecca Mammen, a senior lawyer in India, said she was “simply stunned” by the supreme court ruling.

“It [the marriage] is clearly a consensual relationship between two adults, totally voluntary – the woman has not complained of any coercion – I don’t know of any law that allows a court to act in this way,” said Mammen. “So all I can say that I am really taken aback.”

Vrinda Grover, a lawyer withn a track record of defending women’s rights, called Hadiya’s confinement “illegal house arrest”. Grover said it was typical, when an Indian woman transgressed social norms by exercising her own choice, that society should react by curbing her freedom.

“Her right, as an adult, to choose her husband irrespective of his caste or creed or ethnicity and her right to freedom of religion have been violated,” she said. “The courts are behaving as though she doesn’t know what’s good for her. The fact of being kept confined by her parents has deprived her of her personal liberty.”

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...-woman-muslim-man-akhila-ashokan-shafin-jahan
 
The law and court of every country has to be respected. They must have enough evidence suggesting the girl was forced in to the marriage.
 
The law and court of every country has to be respected. They must have enough evidence suggesting the girl was forced in to the marriage.

What sort of evidence can it be if she denies she was forced herself? Are you feeling ok?

I don't envy her marriage prospects now as a Hindu woman who has been taken back from Islam.
 
What sort of evidence can it be if she denies she was forced herself? Are you feeling ok?

I don't envy her marriage prospects now as a Hindu woman who has been taken back from Islam.

Perhaps there is evidence that she was forced. May be she is being blackmailed by someone.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Widespread international shock as <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash">#India</a> dissolves voluntary marriage of adults and treats women as children. <a href="https://t.co/impzgA4CvF">https://t.co/impzgA4CvF</a></p>— Audrey Truschke (@AudreyTruschke) <a href="https://twitter.com/AudreyTruschke/status/899615997363204096">August 21, 2017</a></blockquote>
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What sort of evidence can it be if she denies she was forced herself? Are you feeling ok?

I don't envy her marriage prospects now as a Hindu woman who has been taken back from Islam.

The evidence is for the court to consider not for public consumption.
 
Did you even bother reading the article?

Did you even bother to have some research about this topic ?Girls have given horrifying statements live about this. its not only this case. i have heard some 2600 gjrls have been missing since marriage and nobody knows about them. Can share the articles too.
 
Did you even bother reading the article?

More then you did. I agree with Akki, to people like you disagreeing means having not read the article. Do you know anything about love Jihad and how many innocent girls are lured in to it?
 
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More then you did. I agree with Akki, to people like you disagreeing means having not read the article. Do you know anything about love Jihad and how many innocent girls are lured in to it?

Sarcasm han...i also dnt believe in love jihad and all ,and i believe anyone shud marry to whoever they want to. but there are cases in supreme courts. And i believe in the constitution and supreme court of my country.
You guys always want to play victim card and want to blame india for everything and always try to prove idea of india wrong by bringing the articles which suits your agenda.
You know that even rss wants to a pass rule that nobody should be able to convert anyone . But this is democracy and these rules cant be passed in a democratic , secular country.
 
Legally it's wrong to annul the marriage.

But there are few observations from high court

Shafin Jahan, who is an accused in a criminal case, apart from being associated with persons having extremist links.

Akhila has no consistent stand or a clear idea about her life or future. It is also clear that she is in a situation where she is acting on the diktats of some others who are bent upon taking her away from her parents.
 
Sarcasm han...i also dnt believe in love jihad and all ,and i believe anyone shud marry to whoever they want to. but there are cases in supreme courts. And i believe in the constitution and supreme court of my country.
You guys always want to play victim card and want to blame india for everything and always try to prove idea of india wrong by bringing the articles which suits your agenda.
You know that even rss wants to a pass rule that nobody should be able to convert anyone . But this is democracy and these rules cant be passed in a democratic , secular country.

Did I say that I believe in love Jihad? I said that many girls are lured in to a love trap by Muslim men then left high and dry after being used. "You guys always want to play victim card and want to blame india for everything and always try to prove idea of india wrong by bringing the articles which suits your agenda." What on earth is that supposed to mean and where does India come in to it? Talk sense. I am simply that love Jihad does happen, I don't know what you are on about at all!
 
Sharing Audrey's tweets are against forum policy or has that changed that no tweet related to cricket is allowed?
 
SC should stay away from such stupidity,and also women's rights activist need to speak for one country one law esp in case of marriage,this is travesty , country cannot have diff laws anymore,freedom to marriage must be respected and all the Sharia ,Hindu laws need to be thrown out the door.

This is a joke, already having personal religious laws was a joke but surprisingly leftist progressive wannabees never get shocked by that,Chuck out all that time for one law one country!
 
SC should stay away from such stupidity,and also women's rights activist need to speak for one country one law esp in case of marriage,this is travesty , country cannot have diff laws anymore,freedom to marriage must be respected and all the Sharia ,Hindu laws need to be thrown out the door.

This is a joke, already having personal religious laws was a joke but surprisingly leftist progressive wannabees never get shocked by that,Chuck out all that time for one law one country!

Have one law one country when there is khalistan, but as long as india remains, its diversity should be respected. One criminal law, but diverse civil laws.
 
Have one law one country when there is khalistan, but as long as india remains, its diversity should be respected. One criminal law, but diverse civil laws.

Diversity of marriage laws? Then maybe conversion should be something like "Dharmic borns can only convert to one of the Dharmic ones and Abrahamic similarly".

This way diversity crap is maintained and people are no that offended.
 
In May, the court nullified the wedding and forcibly sent Hadiya back to her parental home in Kottayam despite her express wish not to return. The controversial judgment said Hadiya was “weak and vulnerable, capable of being exploited in many ways” and that “her marriage being the most important decision in her life, can also be taken only with the active involvement of her parents”.

On Wednesday, the supreme court ruled that India’s National Investigation Agency, which investigates terrorism, must assess whether Hadiya converted freely to Islam or was part of a “love jihad” – a phrase used by some Hindu fringe groups to allege that Muslim men are forcing Hindu women into marriage.

Hadiya has had virtually no contact with anyone outside her parents’ home since May. Local reporters say she has no phone or internet access and the house is guarded by police officers. A police officer quoted in the local media said social isolation had made Hadiya depressed.

It's like India just went back a century in time to the days when parents married their children against their will. Incredibly Indian posters are in favour of this misogyny.
 
SC should stay away from such stupidity,and also women's rights activist need to speak for one country one law esp in case of marriage,this is travesty , country cannot have diff laws anymore,freedom to marriage must be respected and all the Sharia ,Hindu laws need to be thrown out the door.

This is a joke, already having personal religious laws was a joke but surprisingly leftist progressive wannabees never get shocked by that,Chuck out all that time for one law one country!

Triple Talaq chucked out.Next is polygamy and then UCC.
 
Triple Talaq chucked out.Next is polygamy and then UCC.

UCC will never be implemented by BJP because then anyone would move to SC and get beef ban taken off as well.

BJP is being divisive here and are cunningly not implementing UCC,if someone believes in UCC one cannot support beef ban,that would be unfair.
 
Triple Talaq chucked out.Next is polygamy and then UCC.

All these legal rulings are of course working in favour of the majority Hindus and against minority religions. I don't have any judgement here for what it's worth, I wouldn't presume to tell Indians how to run their country, just an observation.
 
All these legal rulings are of course working in favour of the majority Hindus and against minority religions. I don't have any judgement here for what it's worth, I wouldn't presume to tell Indians how to run their country, just an observation.
And when India got freedom,many progressive laws worked against the Hindus,and rightly so,no one complained then(maybe right wing) because it was time for them,more can be done even now,UCC is progressive,the Pandits,Bishop's,Imams cannot wild power based on personal laws.
 
And when India got freedom,many progressive laws worked against the Hindus,and rightly so,no one complained then(maybe right wing) because it was time for them,more can be done even now,UCC is progressive,the Pandits,Bishop's,Imams cannot wild power based on personal laws.

Well, let's hope your minorities take their medicine without complaint as well. I wish your govt Godspeed in enforcing more such laws against them.
 
As long as the conversion to Islam factors in when a Hindu man/women marries a Muslim, this issue will keep burning.

I would totally want Hindus and Muslims marry each other. Its great for the country. I don't want the Hindu man/women to convert to Islam just for the sake of the marriage. It leads to a lot of mistrust and the intentions of the Muslims.

I know its a requirement for Hindus/Christians/Sikhs/Jains etc to convert to Islam if they want to marry a Muslim person. But what Muslims needs to understand is that non-muslims do not care what Muslim rules say.

Asking a person to convert to Islam for marriage shows that the Muslim person is not sincere in the love affair. If he/she was sincere, they would be willing to give up their religion for the sake of love. It appears that Muslims are stealing non-muslim women rather than accepting them.
 
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As long as the conversion to Islam factors in when a Hindu man/women marries a Muslim, this issue will keep burning.

I would totally want Hindus and Muslims marry each other. Its great for the country. I don't want the Hindu man/women to convert to Islam just for the sake of the marriage. It leads to a lot of mistrust and the intentions of the Muslims.

I know its a requirement for Hindus/Christians/Sikhs/Jains etc to convert to Islam if they want to marry a Muslim person. But what Muslims needs to understand is that non-muslims do not care what Muslim rules say.

Asking a person to convert to Islam for marriage shows that the Muslim person is not sincere in the love affair. If he/she was sincere, they would be willing to give up their religion for the sake of love. It appears that Muslims are stealing non-muslim women rather than accepting them.

This must be the dumbest thing I've read in a while. The buck lies with the person who accepts to convert, no one is putting a gun to anyone's head..specially a Muslim in India to a Hindu woman. Muslims stealing non-muslim women? Do you even have a clue how often that takes place?
 
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This must be the dumbest thing I've read in a while. The buck lies with the person who accepts to convert, no one is putting a gun to anyone's head..specially a Muslim in India to a Hindu woman. Muslims stealing non-muslim women? Do you even have a clue how often that takes place?

Nothing dumb in what I said. Women convert because they do not care about religion. They give up their religion for the sake of love. The religion of the Muslim man prevails as the kids will also follow Islam.

From Hindus/Christians/Sikhs point of view, Muslims stole the women as the next generation will automatically follow Islam.

Why don't the Muslim man convert to Hindusim or Christianity or Sikhism if they were sincere in their love?

I have seen Hindus, Christians and Sikhs marry and nobody had to convert. They kept their names as well as religion. They practiced both and their kids also followed both religions. Not with Muslim & non-muslim marriages.

Think of the parents of the non-muslims. They spend all their energy and resources in their kids. When those kids grow up and marry a Muslim person, they give up their religion by converting to Islam, change their names to Arabic names and start dressing differently. You will not recognize the person anymore.

Many girls who fall in love with Muslim men spend years of courtship before the matter goes till marriage. At that point, if they are asked to convert, for many girls, there is no turning back. They just accept it as it is no big deal for them and they will do it for the sake of love. But the Muslim man gets to keep everything he has.

This is nothing but stealing women from parents of the girl. If the Muslim man converts to Hinduism/Christianity or Sikhism, most of the problems will be solved. But it almost never happens. Its extremely rare.
 
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No wonder India is stuck in silly legal tussles like this. Even the supposedly modern citizens are talking about Muslims 'stealing' our women. They aren't a bag of potatoes guys, they have their own minds and wishes, please respect that.
 
No wonder India is stuck in silly legal tussles like this. Even the supposedly modern citizens are talking about Muslims 'stealing' our women. They aren't a bag of potatoes guys, they have their own minds and wishes, please respect that.

How about Muslim men respect the sentiments of non-muslim parents and start converting to Hinduism/Christianity/Sikhism etc?

You cannot have one way traffic and expect the non-muslim parents to keep quiet. People are seeing this trend and are now speaking up.
 
Hundreds of girls converted to Islam in kerala and married muslims, the court didn't nullified any of the marriages or raised any questions regarding the involvement of extremist organizations. This is a peculiar case where the court noted inconsistency from girl's side, she gave three different names in affidavits filed in the court, father of girl is said to have produced audio records of their conversations to show the inconsistency in her behaviour. The marriage took place at a time when case filed by her father regarding her forcefull conversion was under hearing in high court. Normally people will take the help of public prosecutors in these kind of cases but here she is getting service of high paid advocates which is believed to funded by extremist organizations having link with the case.
 
Nothing dumb in what I said. Women convert because they do not care about religion. They give up their religion for the sake of love. The religion of the Muslim man prevails as the kids will also follow Islam.

From Hindus/Christians/Sikhs point of view, Muslims stole the women as the next generation will automatically follow Islam.

Why don't the Muslim man convert to Hindusim or Christianity or Sikhism if they were sincere in their love?

I have seen Hindus, Christians and Sikhs marry and nobody had to convert. They kept their names as well as religion. They practiced both and their kids also followed both religions. Not with Muslim & non-muslim marriages.

Think of the parents of the non-muslims. They spend all their energy and resources in their kids. When those kids grow up and marry a Muslim person, they give up their religion by converting to Islam, change their names to Arabic names and start dressing differently. You will not recognize the person anymore.

Many girls who fall in love with Muslim men spend years of courtship before the matter goes till marriage. At that point, if they are asked to convert, for many girls, there is no turning back. They just accept it as it is no big deal for them and they will do it for the sake of love. But the Muslim man gets to keep everything he has.

This is nothing but stealing women from parents of the girl. If the Muslim man converts to Hinduism/Christianity or Sikhism, most of the problems will be solved. But it almost never happens. Its extremely rare.

Your observations are made on hear-say and what you've experienced in India. This does not apply to the general Muslim population. Your comment on the children being Muslim is also not true...what's the case with Shahrukh Khan? or Saif Ali Khan? None of their wives converted (or were forced) nor their children are brought up as strict Muslims.

As I said, the girl has a choice of converting and if they make that decision then I don't think you're anyone to say what they did was right or wrong. Perhaps, Hindus, Sikhs, and Christians should teach their kids not to get involved with evil Muslims because they just want to take over their next generation (pretty messed up way to think btw)

If Hindus/Christians/Sikhs believe Muslim men have stolen their women then why aren't Hindu/Sikh.Christian girls raised with the values of staying away from the Muslims or is the love jihad to hard to stay away from? Just think about what you're saying, because it's ridiculous.

Also, speaking from personal experience...how many Hindu families are okay with their daughters marrying a Muslim? Regardless of the fact that the guy identifies as a Muslim or not? I can say from my own personal experience that Hindu parents are not okay with the fact...regardless of how rich, educated, and non-religious the said Muslim guy is.
 
How about Muslim men respect the sentiments of non-muslim parents and start converting to Hinduism/Christianity/Sikhism etc?

You cannot have one way traffic and expect the non-muslim parents to keep quiet. People are seeing this trend and are now speaking up.

LOL. Why do you make it sound like non-Muslim Indian women are being forced to convert? are you seriously this naive or playing stupid?
 
UCC will never be implemented by BJP because then anyone would move to SC and get beef ban taken off as well.

BJP is being divisive here and are cunningly not implementing UCC,if someone believes in UCC one cannot support beef ban,that would be unfair.

Beef ban has nothing to do with UCC.Anti cow slaughter law has been upheld by courts.

I neither support beef ban and i want UCC.
 
All these legal rulings are of course working in favour of the majority Hindus and against minority religions. I don't have any judgement here for what it's worth, I wouldn't presume to tell Indians how to run their country, just an observation.

Christians Buddhists Sikhs Hindus everyone has codified laws.Only muslims were an exception.
 
The first time I had a heated debate with my wife was when she stated that muslim men are handsome. I went on a rant saying how it was obviously not true, and she has only seen a subset of muslims. She said that it seems she had hit a raw nerve, and she was right. Obviously, this myth of handsome muslim men only helps in this conspiracy of love jihad.
 
LOL. Why do you make it sound like non-Muslim Indian women are being forced to convert? are you seriously this naive or playing stupid?

Its not about forcing to convert. Its just that non-muslim women do not care about religion and convert for the sake of love. They may have a choice to convert. They do it for the love of their life. But the Muslim man never ever converts. He will rather give up the love of his life rather than convert. Shows the intentions.

Story does not end there. The kids of those couple will be Muslim and the parents of the non-muslim will have nothing in common with those kids who have Arabic names and speak different language. They end up abandoning their girls most of the times.

Now imagine if the situation is reversed where a Muslim girl converts to non-muslim faith. It will be mayhem in that area.
 
All these legal rulings are of course working in favour of the majority Hindus and against minority religions. I don't have any judgement here for what it's worth, I wouldn't presume to tell Indians how to run their country, just an observation.

How is triple talaq working against minorities when Muslim women are the one benefited from it.Or in your opinion their happiness and welfare doesn't count?
 
Its not about forcing to convert. Its just that non-muslim women do not care about religion and convert for the sake of love. They may have a choice to convert. They do it for the love of their life. But the Muslim man never ever converts. He will rather give up the love of his life rather than convert. Shows the intentions.

Story does not end there. The kids of those couple will be Muslim and the parents of the non-muslim will have nothing in common with those kids who have Arabic names and speak different language. They end up abandoning their girls most of the times.

Now imagine if the situation is reversed where a Muslim girl converts to non-muslim faith. It will be mayhem in that area.

Wow you speak for a billion Muslims and somehow know exactly that no Muslim man has ever converted or denounced his religion. You're making stuff up.

Also, your contributions to the thread show exactly with what hate and untruthful things you're brought up with. Seriously, you have nothing to back up what you say other than what you've heard in rural India about a Hindu girl marrying a Muslim and it not turning out well.

You'd be surprised how many women from Muslim background end up marrying non-Muslims. I have 3 in my own damn family.

Please don't make stuff up and back it up with some facts.
 
Why do Hindu women choose Muslim men? So far the suggestions are

1) Love Jihad - Bridenapping/blackmailing
2) Toilet facilities
3) Handsomeness
4) Forbidden fruit
5) Mian Mitthu sweet talk
6) Me.

I agree with them all.

By the way, the Love Jihad Whatsapp group is open to Muslim men only.
 
Why do Hindu women choose Muslim men? So far the suggestions are

1) Love Jihad - Bridenapping/blackmailing
2) Toilet facilities
3) Handsomeness
4) Forbidden fruit
5) Mian Mitthu sweet talk
6) Me.

I agree with them all.

By the way, the Love Jihad Whatsapp group is open to Muslim men only.

don't forget what troodon said "non-muslim women do not care about religion and convert for the sake of love. They may have a choice to convert. They do it for the love of their life".

While Muslim men marry non-Muslim women to steal their next generations and grow the Muslim population because that will somehow make this world a better place for Muslims.
 
don't forget what troodon said "non-muslim women do not care about religion and convert for the sake of love. They may have a choice to convert. They do it for the love of their life".

While Muslim men marry non-Muslim women to steal their next generations and grow the Muslim population because that will somehow make this world a better place for Muslims.

They don't do it on purpose. But the parents of Muslim men do not want their son to convert to any other religion and ensures that their grand children will be Muslim.

Let your women go out more frequently and mingle with Hindu folk in normal attire and see if they get swayed by Hindu men.
 
They don't do it on purpose. But the parents of Muslim men do not want their son to convert to any other religion and ensures that their grand children will be Muslim.

Let your women go out more frequently and mingle with Hindu folk in normal attire and see if they get swayed by Hindu men.

I already told you...3 women in my family are married to non-Muslims. 2 whites and a Korean. I don't know why Muslims in India lack behind in this...maybe it has to be with them not being able to climb up the income/social classes like people in most countries do.
 
I already told you...3 women in my family are married to non-Muslims. 2 whites and a Korean. I don't know why Muslims in India lack behind in this...maybe it has to be with them not being able to climb up the income/social classes like people in most countries do.

It does not matter what social class they are. Most Muslims are extremely conservative. Female education is severely lacking.
In my Engineering college, out of 500 students, there are a grand total of 2 Muslim women. Men are not doing any better either. Only about 10 of them. The numbers are appalling.
On the contrast, at least 30% of the students are females (Hindus and Christians). Even Muslim women have 30% reservation quota. Yet we do not see Muslim women at all. What ever Muslim women we see in colleges are totally covered and they hardly interact with anyone.

Its not about who is better looking or who has more game. All of us (Hindus, Muslims, Christians) look pretty much the same. You cannot tell them apart most of the times without the religious attire. Its about the opportunity to interact with them, know them and if further interested, take them out on a date.
 
It does not matter what social class they are. Most Muslims are extremely conservative. Female education is severely lacking.
In my Engineering college, out of 500 students, there are a grand total of 2 Muslim women. Men are not doing any better either. Only about 10 of them. The numbers are appalling.
On the contrast, at least 30% of the students are females (Hindus and Christians). Even Muslim women have 30% reservation quota. Yet we do not see Muslim women at all. What ever Muslim women we see in colleges are totally covered and they hardly interact with anyone.

Its not about who is better looking or who has more game. All of us (Hindus, Muslims, Christians) look pretty much the same. You cannot tell them apart most of the times without the religious attire. Its about the opportunity to interact with them, know them and if further interested, take them out on a date.

What you said might be true in INDIA. not the rest of the world. Please, I'm done debating with you. Saudi Arabia alone has higher female students in Universities than men. Stuff is not hard to find if you want to sincerely know about it.

You once claimed Muslims are not compatible with the rest of society because they believe only their religion is true...while somehow implying other religious groups don't believe that their religion is true. Seriously...you should re-read your posts and determine if you have any actual facts to back up what you sprout or are just saying that because that's what you were raised with.

Seriously, Muslims stealing next generations so there could be more Muslims? Probably the most pathetic comment I've ever heard...are you somehow trying to say Muslims are not like other humans and only value the rise of Muslims in numbers? I really hope you're a teenager because I'd be worried sick if you were raising a family with that twisted and totally untrue mentality.
 
If i as a pakistani hindu ,marry muslim girl there. Will it be normal there ? just asking. because in india its nothing new.
Just out of curiousity i am asking . will everything ok if i marry a muslim girl tgere and she got convert to hinduism,not even forcefully. As tgere are people of pakistan country giving opinions on this topic
thank you
 
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What you said might be true in INDIA. not the rest of the world. Please, I'm done debating with you. Saudi Arabia alone has higher female students in Universities than men. Stuff is not hard to find if you want to sincerely know about it.

You once claimed Muslims are not compatible with the rest of society because they believe only their religion is true...while somehow implying other religious groups don't believe that their religion is true. Seriously...you should re-read your posts and determine if you have any actual facts to back up what you sprout or are just saying that because that's what you were raised with.

Seriously, Muslims stealing next generations so there could be more Muslims? Probably the most pathetic comment I've ever heard...are you somehow trying to say Muslims are not like other humans and only value the rise of Muslims in numbers? I really hope you're a teenager because I'd be worried sick if you were raising a family with that twisted and totally untrue mentality.

It is what it is. Muslims dont let their woman marry non-Muslim men without conversion while they themselves do the same exact same thing and marry non-Muslim women by converting them. If you do not see the double standard employed here, then there is no point debating with you either.
 
It is what it is. Muslims dont let their woman marry non-Muslim men without conversion while they themselves do the same exact same thing and marry non-Muslim women by converting them. If you do not see the double standard employed here, then there is no point debating with you either.

I told you examples from my own damn family of Muslim women marrying non-Muslims. It doesn't happen in India but it does happen in countries where the average human being is more literate and better exposed to the 21st century as compared to India. You know you have no evidence of what you say...but growing up you were taught all this to be a fact.
 
I told you examples from my own damn family of Muslim women marrying non-Muslims. It doesn't happen in India but it does happen in countries where the average human being is more literate and better exposed to the 21st century as compared to India. You know you have no evidence of what you say...but growing up you were taught all this to be a fact.

you mean in countries like pakistan , afganistan , iraq, iran , saudi arabia , yemen and all and all ?
 
you mean in countries like pakistan , afganistan , iraq, iran , saudi arabia , yemen and all and all ?

Yeah those countries seem about right, and that's because the non-Muslim population is next to nonexistent in those countries..also they are not the example followed by other Muslim nations.
 
Yeah those countries seem about right, and that's because the non-Muslim population is next to nonexistent in those countries..also they are not the example followed by other Muslim nations.

Toh bhai bta na countries ke nam. if i want to marry a muslim women . where can i marry easily and wont face much issue. it wud be love marriage and i am sure girl will also not say like forced marriage and all. Girl is cool about marriage and ready to convery from muslim.so just little bit interested to know this.
 
Toh bhai bta na countries ke nam. if i want to marry a muslim women . where can i marry easily and wont face much issue. it wud be love marriage and i am sure girl will also not say like forced marriage and all. Girl is cool about marriage and ready to convery from muslim.so just little bit interested to know this.

Come to the US, try Lebanon (most Muslim women end up marrying Druzis), Albanians have a lot of inter faith marriages...heck even a Muslim Moroccan girl at my work is married to a white American. Amal Clooney is also an example of a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim. I wonder what interests you in love jihaad? Are you trying to steal our next generation so they're not Muslims?
 
Come to the US, try Lebanon (most Muslim women end up marrying Druzis), Albanians have a lot of inter faith marriages...heck even a Muslim Moroccan girl at my work is married to a white American. Amal Clooney is also an example of a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim. I wonder what interests you in love jihaad? Are you trying to steal our next generation so they're not Muslims?

i knw about americano , kanaada...even in india sussain married hrithik ,nargis to dutt sahab and many more examples as well . but i was thinking about muslim countries only.. well i got the answer.
 
i knw about americano , kanaada...even in india sussain married hrithik ,nargis to dutt sahab and many more examples as well . but i was thinking about muslim countries only.. well i got the answer.

And you decided to ask about Muslim countries that have almost less than 1% of total non-Muslim population? Wow, shining India has definitely taught you well.
 
Unbelievable that resident Bharat defenders are at it again..... 24 year old woman is not allowed to make her own decisions!! Wow just wow.
 
Come to the US, try Lebanon (most Muslim women end up marrying Druzis), Albanians have a lot of inter faith marriages...heck even a Muslim Moroccan girl at my work is married to a white American. Amal Clooney is also an example of a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim. I wonder what interests you in love jihaad? Are you trying to steal our next generation so they're not Muslims?

Amal clooney was never a Muslim.
 
Amal clooney was never a Muslim.

Actually, Amal Clooney is the best example for this discussion. Her dad is a Druze married and mom a Sunni Muslim. So yeah, while she might not have been raised as a Muslim, she is living proof of Muslim women marrying non-Muslims.
 
Unbelievable that resident Bharat defenders are at it again..... 24 year old woman is not allowed to make her own decisions!! Wow just wow.

unbelievable if there is truth that there is forceful marriage or brain washing or blackmailing then instead of supporting law , people defend anything in the name of islam. Just think about poor girls whose cases are there in supreme court. just one google search will give their statements as well.
 
unbelievable if there is truth that there is forceful marriage or brain washing or blackmailing then instead of supporting law , people defend anything in the name of islam. Just think about poor girls whose cases are there in supreme court. just one google search will give their statements as well.

Not sure which part you cannot fathom...The state has no business in telling a 24 year old can or cannot do.... its her life, not her parents! Infact it's an outrage it was even taken up by the courts in the first place. It's just astonishing.
 
Not sure which part you cannot fathom...The state has no business in telling a 24 year old can or cannot do.... its her life, not her parents! Infact it's an outrage it was even taken up by the courts in the first place. It's just astonishing.

oh bhai supreme court didnt knock the door of that girl who got married , you got that ??? india constitution allows anyone to marry above caste , religion , color everything. but if cases has been reported tgen obviously court will take of that according to the law.
And i agree that's why i asked if i as a hindu want to marry a muslim girl in your country , then it wud be normal and there will be no issue na, because itna muft me gyaan banta hai den implement apne ghar toh hota hi hoga na ?
 
How is triple talaq working against minorities when Muslim women are the one benefited from it.Or in your opinion their happiness and welfare doesn't count?

No bhai, I think it is always healthy when well balanced and non-sexist Hindus look out for the welfare of Muslim women's rights.
 
Not sure which part you cannot fathom...The state has no business in telling a 24 year old can or cannot do.... its her life, not her parents! Infact it's an outrage it was even taken up by the courts in the first place. It's just astonishing.

Sorry this may work in america or wherever, but here in india, the relationship between parents and children is sacrosanct, and if someone tries to lead kids (you will always be kids to your parents) astray from their parents, the state has every business to take suo moto action. indians must proudly own up their traditions instead of falling in the trap of western ideologues who always want to shame others into following decadent western morals.
 
Not sure which part you cannot fathom...The state has no business in telling a 24 year old can or cannot do.... its her life, not her parents! Infact it's an outrage it was even taken up by the courts in the first place. It's just astonishing.

Forceful conversions or conversions through any kind of deceit/coercion etc are illegal in India.
 
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Unbelievable that resident Bharat defenders are at it again..... 24 year old woman is not allowed to make her own decisions!! Wow just wow.

India doesnt needs defending on PP.Nothing that happens here affects India in anyway.


This is just academic discussions.

Can a 24yr old in Pakistan choose what religion he wants to follow?
 
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Sorry this may work in america or wherever, but here in india, the relationship between parents and children is sacrosanct, and if someone tries to lead kids (you will always be kids to your parents) astray from their parents, the state has every business to take suo moto action. indians must proudly own up their traditions instead of falling in the trap of western ideologues who always want to shame others into following decadent western morals.

Please tell me whether you are Serious or sarcastic.
 
Is this woman underage?

if not this whole thing is shameful, the independence of a human being and the choices they make upon their selves is not for the courts to decide.

Unless she is underage or is mentally handicapped, then a woman is free to make her own decisions even if their is slight manipulation involved on the mans part.

This is called respecting ones ability to be rational and a god given right of free will.
 
SC whenever pushed comes with a better progressive judgement,useless in terms of taking decisions on their own,unless its in favor of one of their judges.
 
Is this woman underage?

if not this whole thing is shameful, the independence of a human being and the choices they make upon their selves is not for the courts to decide.

Unless she is underage or is mentally handicapped, then a woman is free to make her own decisions even if their is slight manipulation involved on the mans part.

This is called respecting ones ability to be rational and a god given right of free will.

25yr old and of sound mind. What NIA accused was that she was been brianwashed by "hypnotic counselling and neuro linguistic programming". Other thing is the husband is a member of an organisation which have a suspicious history of activities. But the court clearly stated that

“Even in case of indoctrination, I am not sure that the law and courts can intervene against a person's right to free choice... unless, the person is about to commit a crime” Justice Chandrachud responded to Mr. Singh of NIA.

Justice Chandrachud also said that “the sanctity of a marital relationship does not depend on the worth of a spouse"

I guess there might be other "love jihad" cases in kerala but this is not the one for sure. It's her own parents that said she converted to Islam way before her marriage [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] [MENTION=140104]Hornbill[/MENTION] what's your take on this?

I feel bad for the mother though....
 
25yr old and of sound mind. What NIA accused was that she was been brianwashed by "hypnotic counselling and neuro linguistic programming". Other thing is the husband is a member of an organisation which have a suspicious history of activities. But the court clearly stated that

This looks like a false case. Girl should be left to make her choice and guy should be investigated if he has extremist links. But why isnt media highlighting the many genuine cases of love jihad where the girl has come out and complained about her being forced to convert.
 
This case took a major turn today. Supreme court decided to free her from her parents captivity and sent back to the Medical school to complete her internship. The Dean of the MC will be her "guardian" until the next hearing.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/kerala-love-jihad-case-i-want-my-freedom-says-hadiya-sc-tells-her-to-return-to-college/story-2keYurPF8C0ThrGfpDag8H.html
So according to some posters on here, even though she's of sufficient sound mind to the extent that she has been accepted by a Medical school to study medicine, and thus will be able to treat patients if/when she qualifies, it still isn't enough for her to be of 'sufficient sound mind' such that she is capable of choosing her own marriage partner.
 
The first time I had a heated debate with my wife was when she stated that muslim men are handsome. I went on a rant saying how it was obviously not true, and she has only seen a subset of muslims. She said that it seems she had hit a raw nerve, and she was right. Obviously, this myth of handsome muslim men only helps in this conspiracy of love jihad.
It might be a myth, but it appears that your wife believes in the myth! :))

But most importantly, what is your secret? I mean having "a rant" at your wife and getting away with it unharmed? You should be writing a book on your method. It will become a best-seller. Millions of husbands will be clamouring to buy it. You'll make a mint
 
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This looks like a false case. Girl should be left to make her choice and guy should be investigated if he has extremist links. But why isnt media highlighting the many genuine cases of love jihad where the girl has come out and complained about her being forced to convert.

NIA is investigating these cases but this case was the most propped up one by all the media and the BJP. NIA still stands on that this has a love jihad angle and she is under hypnotic counselling even under 11months of confinement in her parents house. Except for a criminal case in her husband's past and him being a PFI member, NIA couldn't bring any other proof.
 
So according to some posters on here, even though she's of sufficient sound mind to the extent that she has been accepted by a Medical school to study medicine, and thus will be able to treat patients if/when she qualifies, it still isn't enough for her to be of 'sufficient sound mind' such that she is capable of choosing her own marriage partner.

She started practising Islam from 2014 while she was studying in a Homeopathy college in Salem,away from home. Last year when she converted to Islam her parents realised that she is no longer a hindu . Her father went to the court and his petition was dismissed initially when she clearly stated that she has been practising Islam for past 2 yrs. He then went to the high court but before the hearing started she married this muslim guy, Shefin Jahan. High court found this suspicious and they annulled her marriage and ordered NIA to investigate this case. She was then sent to her parents custody and was confined there for past 11 months. Her husband filed a petition in supreme court asking that he wants his wife back and her parents are not allowing her to communicate with him. Yesterday was the SC hearing and CJI directly spoke to her about what she needs. They also verified all the proofs presented by NIA about the alleged love jihad cases in Kerala. SC said liberty of a person is more important and she is free now from her parents custody and she can complete her internship which was suspended because of all this drama.

On january,there will be another hearing about the legality of her marriage and it's status.
 
IMO, hadiya is an adult who has made a choice . Whether she's been coerced or brainwashed or whatever, is not something we can prove, if at all it has happened .

But what this issue is, is a trump card for the BJP/Sangh to pierce into moderate hindu families . This case along with the previous girl who actually married a guy (himself an internet convert) and went to syria, has had an impact on a lot of hindus and their thinking .

This doesn't mean kerala hindus are gonna start voting BJP from now on or anything , but the seeds have surely been sown, for a potentially polarized future in kerala.

The real losers in this debate are the poor inter faith couple who are going to come up in the future. Opposition towards interfaith marriages are going to intensify, especially with the Aikyavedi/sangh likely to interfere into even less religious hindu marriages in society. The Church I assume will take an even stringent stance on boycotting inter faith couples. From the reactions of some of the more conservative muslim groups, they are basically gonna take this as some sort of competition.

Unless you are rich / famous of course, then nobody bothers you .
 
IMO, hadiya is an adult who has made a choice . Whether she's been coerced or brainwashed or whatever, is not something we can prove, if at all it has happened .

But what this issue is, is a trump card for the BJP/Sangh to pierce into moderate hindu families . This case along with the previous girl who actually married a guy (himself an internet convert) and went to syria, has had an impact on a lot of hindus and their thinking .

This doesn't mean kerala hindus are gonna start voting BJP from now on or anything , but the seeds have surely been sown, for a potentially polarized future in kerala.


The real losers in this debate are the poor inter faith couple who are going to come up in the future. Opposition towards interfaith marriages are going to intensify, especially with the Aikyavedi/sangh likely to interfere into even less religious hindu marriages in society. The Church I assume will take an even stringent stance on boycotting inter faith couples. From the reactions of some of the more conservative muslim groups, they are basically gonna take this as some sort of competition.

Unless you are rich / famous of course, then nobody bothers you .

This is what we are worried the most. I felt relieved when i heard that her conversion was not forced. But my muslim brothers and sisters didn't stop there and started their one upmanship after this verdict. They feel their religion is attacked and they need to defend it at any cost. The religion which was once a private matter of individual is no longer the same anymore...:facepalm:

Thanks to Sangh politicians for sowing this seeds of mistrust in our society. And also making life miserable for the interfaith couples.
 
But what this issue is, is a trump card for the BJP/Sangh to pierce into moderate hindu families . This case along with the previous girl who actually married a guy (himself an internet convert) and went to syria, has had an impact on a lot of hindus and their thinking .

And this is the problem with the liberal class, they blame those who raise awareness about the issues. As long as you don't talk about the issue, you are all good, but the moment you raise it, you are accused of sowing seeds of conflict. Did the isis soldiers sign up because of the sowing of the seeds, is the saudi wahabi funding in kerala because of the seeds of bjp? In fact, bjp has been very late in raising the issues, and kerala is almost gone. It is a gangrene state, and will be a den of homegrown terrorism. very disappointed with the malayali hindus, who think being subservient to other faiths and insulting your own is the sign of secularism and tolerance.
 
25yr old and of sound mind. What NIA accused was that she was been brianwashed by "hypnotic counselling and neuro linguistic programming". Other thing is the husband is a member of an organisation which have a suspicious history of activities. But the court clearly stated that

�0‡0¡°Even in case of indoctrination, I am not sure that the law and courts can intervene against a person's right to free choice... unless, the person is about to commit a crime¡± Justice Chandrachud responded to Mr. Singh of NIA.

Justice Chandrachud also said that ¡°the sanctity of a marital relationship does not depend on the worth of a spouse"

I guess there might be other "love jihad" cases in kerala but this is not the one for sure. It's her own parents that said she converted to Islam way before her marriage [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] [MENTION=140104]Hornbill[/MENTION] what's your take on this?

I feel bad for the mother though....

Here is a unbiased report which explains the whole story http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ert-islam-marriage-akhila-hadiya-nia-4815288/

Her parents were very caring,How many parents belonging to middle class family will send their higher secondary failed children to medical school ?, Imo She should get all the freedom our constitution provides. I don't know which version of islam she is inclined to but some of her views are little bit extremist. She definitely needs the help of some good Islamic scholars.
 
She started practising Islam from 2014 while she was studying in a Homeopathy college in Salem,away from home. Last year when she converted to Islam her parents realised that she is no longer a hindu . Her father went to the court and his petition was dismissed initially when she clearly stated that she has been practising Islam for past 2 yrs. He then went to the high court but before the hearing started she married this muslim guy, Shefin Jahan. High court found this suspicious and they annulled her marriage and ordered NIA to investigate this case. She was then sent to her parents custody and was confined there for past 11 months. Her husband filed a petition in supreme court asking that he wants his wife back and her parents are not allowing her to communicate with him. Yesterday was the SC hearing and CJI directly spoke to her about what she needs. They also verified all the proofs presented by NIA about the alleged love jihad cases in Kerala. SC said liberty of a person is more important and she is free now from her parents custody and she can complete her internship which was suspended because of all this drama.

On january,there will be another hearing about the legality of her marriage and it's status.

Looks like her parents are more effected neurolinguistic programming then her. Religious programming that is :D

Seriously though what is with subcontinent parents and their kids, they are so crazy and overprotective haha
 
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Here is a unbiased report which explains the whole story http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ert-islam-marriage-akhila-hadiya-nia-4815288/

Her parents were very caring,How many parents belonging to middle class family will send their higher secondary failed children to medical school ?, Imo She should get all the freedom our constitution provides. I don't know which version of islam she is inclined to but some of her views are little bit extremist. She definitely needs the help of some good Islamic scholars.

Thanks for that link. As you said a 25 year old of sound mind have every right to decide what she want as per the law. If she goes away from parents or her husband, nobody can dictate her to go back unless she wants to do the same. I feel bad for her parents but we can't overlook her rights too. I would say the same if a muslim girl converts to Hinduism or any other religion.

And, this Markazul Hidaya and many such institutions provinding religious classes to the converts has been there for several years tbh. If the police and NIA finds anything illegal there, it should be brought out to public notice with proofs and should be locked down forever.

Are saying her views are a "little bit extremist" because she asked her parents to convert/ then i am sorry, I have to disagree with you.
 
Looks like her parents are more effected neurolinguistic programming then her. Religious programming that is :D

Seriously though what is with subcontinent parents and their kids, they are so crazy and overprotective haha

Our's is a conservative society where parents invest on kids with a hope that they will look after them when they gest old. Instead when these kids becomes adults they go on their own way and change their religion. For them, they lost their beloved daughter now and are ashamed to show their face in front of their other community members. They will be accused of bad parenting and not managing their child well.

I won't laugh at this love tbh because some parents give their everything for these kids and still......
 
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