SENA stats don’t lie: Pakistan edge India in England & NZ

[Savak]

India & Pakistan in England

Pakistan's last few test series in England

0-1 in 1987 (Pakistan Win)
1-2 in 1992 (Pakistan Win)
0-2 in 1996 (Pakistan Win)
1-1 in 2001 (Draw)
4-0 in 2006 (Pakistan Defeat)
3-1 in 2010 (Pakistan Defeat)
2-2 in 2016 (Draw)
1-1 in 2018 (Draw)
1-0 in 2020 (Pakistan Defeat)

In 2020, Pakistan was on course to win the first test only to lose the final session against Buttler and Woakes.

India's last few test series in England

1-0 in 1990 (Indian defeat)
1-0 in 1996 (Indian defeat)
1-1 in 2002 (Draw)
0-1 in 2007 (last Indian win in England)
4-0 in 2011 (Indian defeat)
3-1 in 2014 (Indian defeat)
3-1 in 2018 (Indian defeat)
2-2 in 2021-22 (Draw)
2-1 in 2025 (Indian defeat)

Overall Pakistan has 3 series wins, 3 draws and 3 defeats in England. In comparison India has just 1 series win, 6 series defeats and 2 drawn series.

The last test series win India enjoyed in England was in 2007 but since then Pakistan and India have had similar records in England. Not sure what India is gloating about, Pakistan has won more series in England than India and it is India which has comfortably has had the better players than Pakistan in the last 20 plus years but their out put is not really different in England in comparison to Pakistan. If anything, Indians ko sharam se doob ke mar jana chaiye for terribly under achieving in India of late.

India & Pakistan in New Zealand

Pakistan last few series in New Zealand

0-0 in 1989 (Draw)
0-1 in 1993 (Pakistan win)
1-2 in 1994 (Pakistan win)
0-1 in 1995 (Pakistan win)
1-1 in 2001 (Draw)
0-1 in 2004 (Pakistan win)
1-1 in 2009 (Draw)
0-1 in 2011 (Pakistan win)
2-0 in 2016 (Pakistan Defeat)
2-0 in 2020 (Pakistan Defeat)

India's last few series in New Zealand

1-0 in 1989 (New Zealand win)
0-0 in 1994 (Draw)
1-0 in 1998 (New Zealand win)
2-0 in 2002 (New Zealand win)
0-1 in 2009 (India win)
1-0 in 2014 (New Zealand win)
2-0 in 2020 (New Zealand win)

Pakistan has won 5 test series in NZ, Drawn 3 and lost 2 test series. India has won 1 test series in New Zealand and lost 5 test series and drawn one. Pakistan's record in NZ is superior and mind you in the last 20 years India on paper has had a superior side and their best ever bowling line up but still they could not make a difference in NZ

India & Pakistan in Australia

Pakistan's last few series in Australia

1-0 in 1989 (Australia win)
2-1 in 1995 (Australia win)
3-0 in 1999 (Australia win)
3-0 in 2004 (Australia win)
3-0 in 2009 (Australia win)
3-0 in 2016 (Australia win)
2-0 in 2019 (Australia win)
3-0 in 2023 (Australia win)

India's last few series in India

4-0 in 1991 (Australia win)
3-0 in 1999 (Australia win)
1-1 in 2003 (Draw)
2-1 in 2007 (Australia win)
4-0 in 2011 (Australia win)
2-0 in 2014 (Australia win)
2-1 in 2018 (India win)
2-1 in 2021 (India win)
3-1 in 2024 (Australia win)

There is no comparison here, India comfortably wipes the floor with Pakistan in Australia whose record has been atrocious in Australia

India & Pakistan in South Africa

Pakistan's last few series in South Africa

1-0 in 1994 (South Africa win)
1-1 in 1998 (Draw)
2-0 in 2002 (South Africa win)
2-1 in 2007 (South Africa win)
3-0 in 2013 (South Africa win)
3-0 in 2019 (South Africa win)
2-0 in 2024 (South Africa win)

India's last few series in South Africa

1-0 in 1992 (South Africa win)
2-0 in 1996 (South Africa win)
2-0 in 2001 (South Africa win)
2-1 in 2006 (South Africa win)
1-1 in 2011 (Draw)
1-0 in 2013 (South Africa win)
2-1 in 2018 (South Africa win)
2-1 in 2021 (South Africa win)
1-1 in 2023 (Draw)

India scores higher marks than Pakistan in South Africa because they have won more test matches in South Africa and have drawn more series but they have still lost most of their series in South Africa similar to Pakistan.

Overall Pakistan's record is superior in England and New Zealand but India's record in Australia and South Africa is superior compared to Pakistan.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

India & Pakistan in England

Pakistan's last few test series in England

0-1 in 1987 (Pakistan Win)
1-2 in 1992 (Pakistan Win)
0-2 in 1996 (Pakistan Win)
1-1 in 2001 (Draw)
4-0 in 2006 (Pakistan Defeat)
3-1 in 2010 (Pakistan Defeat)
2-2 in 2016 (Draw)
1-1 in 2018 (Draw)
1-0 in 2020 (Pakistan Defeat)

In 2020, Pakistan was on course to win the first test only to lose the final session against Buttler and Woakes.

India's last few test series in England

1-0 in 1990 (Indian defeat)
1-0 in 1996 (Indian defeat)
1-1 in 2002 (Draw)
0-1 in 2007 (last Indian win in England)
4-0 in 2011 (Indian defeat)
3-1 in 2014 (Indian defeat)
3-1 in 2018 (Indian defeat)
2-2 in 2021-22 (Draw)
2-1 in 2025 (Indian defeat)

Overall Pakistan has 3 series wins, 3 draws and 3 defeats in England. In comparison India has just 1 series win, 6 series defeats and 2 drawn series.

The last test series win India enjoyed in England was in 2007 but since then Pakistan and India have had similar records in England. Not sure what India is gloating about, Pakistan has won more series in England than India and it is India which has comfortably has had the better players than Pakistan in the last 20 plus years but their out put is not really different in England in comparison to Pakistan. If anything, Indians ko sharam se doob ke mar jana chaiye for terribly under achieving in India of late.

India & Pakistan in New Zealand

Pakistan last few series in New Zealand

0-0 in 1989 (Draw)
0-1 in 1993 (Pakistan win)
1-2 in 1994 (Pakistan win)
0-1 in 1995 (Pakistan win)
1-1 in 2001 (Draw)
0-1 in 2004 (Pakistan win)
1-1 in 2009 (Draw)
0-1 in 2011 (Pakistan win)
2-0 in 2016 (Pakistan Defeat)
2-0 in 2020 (Pakistan Defeat)

India's last few series in New Zealand

1-0 in 1989 (New Zealand win)
0-0 in 1994 (Draw)
1-0 in 1998 (New Zealand win)
2-0 in 2002 (New Zealand win)
0-1 in 2009 (India win)
1-0 in 2014 (New Zealand win)
2-0 in 2020 (New Zealand win)

Pakistan has won 5 test series in NZ, Drawn 3 and lost 2 test series. India has won 1 test series in New Zealand and lost 5 test series and drawn one. Pakistan's record in NZ is superior and mind you in the last 20 years India on paper has had a superior side and their best ever bowling line up but still they could not make a difference in NZ

India & Pakistan in Australia

Pakistan's last few series in Australia

1-0 in 1989 (Australia win)
2-1 in 1995 (Australia win)
3-0 in 1999 (Australia win)
3-0 in 2004 (Australia win)
3-0 in 2009 (Australia win)
3-0 in 2016 (Australia win)
2-0 in 2019 (Australia win)
3-0 in 2023 (Australia win)

India's last few series in India

4-0 in 1991 (Australia win)
3-0 in 1999 (Australia win)
1-1 in 2003 (Draw)
2-1 in 2007 (Australia win)
4-0 in 2011 (Australia win)
2-0 in 2014 (Australia win)
2-1 in 2018 (India win)
2-1 in 2021 (India win)
3-1 in 2024 (Australia win)

There is no comparison here, India comfortably wipes the floor with Pakistan in Australia whose record has been atrocious in Australia

India & Pakistan in South Africa

Pakistan's last few series in South Africa

1-0 in 1994 (South Africa win)
1-1 in 1998 (Draw)
2-0 in 2002 (South Africa win)
2-1 in 2007 (South Africa win)
3-0 in 2013 (South Africa win)
3-0 in 2019 (South Africa win)
2-0 in 2024 (South Africa win)

India's last few series in South Africa

1-0 in 1992 (South Africa win)
2-0 in 1996 (South Africa win)
2-0 in 2001 (South Africa win)
2-1 in 2006 (South Africa win)
1-1 in 2011 (Draw)
1-0 in 2013 (South Africa win)
2-1 in 2018 (South Africa win)
2-1 in 2021 (South Africa win)
1-1 in 2023 (Draw)

India scores higher marks than Pakistan in South Africa because they have won more test matches in South Africa and have drawn more series but they have still lost most of their series in South Africa similar to Pakistan.

Overall Pakistan's record is superior in England and New Zealand but India's record in Australia and South Africa is superior compared to Pakistan.

And taking this into context pakistan have been struggling for a decade still have got a pretty good record in england have always punched above their limits there and you always get big recognition in england if you do well there so kudos to pakistan even in their worst decade have been decent in england india performs well in south africa australia likewise pakistan has better record in england and new zealand.

 

[Ball Blazer]

So overall, Pakistan lead overall with 8 series wins ...

 

[saimayubera]

Hahahahaha

"last few" in England and starts with records nearly 30 years back.

Even here disingenuous.

2025 is not yet over and already a "defeat".

Also Pakistan's series start from 1987 which they won, but India's not from 1986 which they won but 1990 which they lost lol.

Also why are the Australia series starting from late 80s/early 90s but not early/mid 80s?

Why is Pakistan's tours to Australia in 82 and 84 not there and India's tours to Australia in 81 and 86? Is it because Pak lost both and India drew both?

And if you are considering the **** NZ team of the 90s, please put WI in there as well. WI of 00s and 10s are on that level and Ind have something like 5 consecutive series wins there.

No amount of random filtering will change that you guys SUCCCCKKKKK and are a minnow soon to be in the 2nd tier of test cricket and out of Olympics.

 

[saimayubera]

And taking this into context pakistan have been struggling for a decade still have got a pretty good record in england have always punched above their limits there and you always get big recognition in england if you do well there so kudos to pakistan even in their worst decade have been decent in england india performs well in south africa australia likewise pakistan has better record in england and new zealand.

Naah, this conveniently includes 80s and 90s, when Pak were NOT struggling.

Check out last decade records if you want to see what last decade has been like. Pakistan has won ZERO matches in NZ too in the last 10 years and have been whitewashed back to back.

 

[rpant_gabba]

@Savak bro you are trying way too hard.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Hahahahaha

"last few" in England and starts with records nearly 30 years back.

Even here disingenuous.

2025 is not yet over and already a "defeat".

Also Pakistan's series start from 1987 which they won, but India's not from 1986 which they won but 1990 which they lost lol.

Also why are the Australia series starting from late 80s/early 90s but not early/mid 80s?

Why is Pakistan's tours to Australia in 82 and 84 not there and India's tours to Australia in 81 and 86? Is it because Pak lost both and India drew both?

And if you are considering the **** NZ team of the 90s, please put WI in there as well. WI of 00s and 10s are on that level and Ind have something like 5 consecutive series wins there.

No amount of random filtering will change that you guys SUCCCCKKKKK and are a minnow soon to be in the 2nd tier of test cricket and out of Olympics.

Is still shameful tum log ho kya 1 billion plus population phir bi aik hi sport hai us mein bi nikamy ho sharam nhi ati pakistan se barabri krte ho jis ki population hi tum logo se 7 bar kam hai

 

[saimayubera]

Is still shameful tum log ho kya 1 billion plus population phir bi aik hi sport hai us mein bi nikamy ho sharam nhi ati pakistan se barabri krte ho jis ki population hi tum logo se 7 bar kam hai

Bhai we have 1 billion population but have more achievements than Pak. More CWCs. More T20 WCs. More CTs. More ACs. More countries won test series in (only SA left while Pak have both SA/Aus left).

You guys have 250 million population phir bi aik hi sport hai us mein bi nikamy ho sharam nhi ati sri lanka se barabri krte ho jis ki population hi tum logo se 12 bar kam hai?

Pak has same number of ICC trophies as SL (and the same ones too). Pak has won test series in Ind while SL has won in SA. Both have not won in Aus and won everywhere else apart from those.

SL has more AC than Pak though.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Is still shameful tum log ho kya 1 billion plus population phir bi aik hi sport hai us mein bi nikamy ho sharam nhi ati pakistan se barabri krte ho jis ki population hi tum logo se 7 bar kam hai

Naah, this conveniently includes 80s and 90s, when Pak were NOT struggling.

Check out last decade records if you want to see what last decade has been like. Pakistan has won ZERO matches in NZ too in the last 10 years and have been whitewashed back to back.

Why are you even here this is Pakistani forum we will post whatever we like tumhari auqaat batao kia thi past mein minnow level ki tum logo ki team thi pakistan e hamesha harti thi aur 1 sport hi khelty ho us mein bi ab ja kr kuch Acha kr rhe beta pakistan tum logo se bohat agay hai samjhe

 

[saimayubera]

Why are you even here this is Pakistani forum we will post whatever we like tumhari auqaat batao kia thi past mein minnow level ki tum logo ki team thi pakistan e hamesha harti thi aur 1 sport hi khelty ho us mein bi ab ja kr kuch Acha kr rhe beta pakistan tum logo se bohat agay hai samjhe

Kuch aage nahi hai. You are the minnows without auqaat.

Aaj kal Pakistan humesha harti hai India ke khilaaf.

Plus Pak never was as dominant vs India that India is vs Pak now.

India has MORE of EACH ICC trophy than Pak.

Pakistan has the same number of ICC trophies as SL, a country with 1/12th the population plus less Asia Cups.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Bhai we have 1 billion population but have more achievements than Pak. More CWCs. More T20 WCs. More CTs. More ACs. More countries won test series in (only SA left while Pak have both SA/Aus left).

You guys have 250 million population phir bi aik hi sport hai us mein bi nikamy ho sharam nhi ati sri lanka se barabri krte ho jis ki population hi tum logo se 12 bar kam hai?

Pak has same number of ICC trophies as SL (and the same ones too). Pak has won test series in Ind while SL has won in SA. Both have not won in Aus and won everywhere else apart from those.

SL has more AC than Pak though.

Dekho mein apse larna nhi chahta mein bs yehi keh rha hu ke har team ka bura waqt ata hai hamay chahiye as supporters team ko.avha aur buray waqt mein support kre aur cricket hum indians pakistan ki jaan hai to aisay kisi pe tanay nhi marny chahiye uske buray time pe

 

[saimayubera]

Dekho mein apse larna nhi chahta mein bs yehi keh rha hu ke har team ka bura waqt ata hai hamay chahiye as supporters team ko.avha aur buray waqt mein support kre aur cricket hum indians pakistan ki jaan hai to aisay kisi pe tanay nhi marny chahiye uske buray time pe

Koi tanay nahi maar raha.

Just correcting OP who is being disingenuous by mentioning series 30 years old as "recent".

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Kuch aage nahi hai. You are the minnows without auqaat.

Aaj kal Pakistan humesha harti hai India ke khilaaf.

Plus Pak never was as dominant vs India that India is vs Pak now.

India has MORE of EACH ICC trophy than Pak.

Pakistan has the same number of ICC trophies as SL, a country with 1/12th the population plus less Asia Cups.

Yar mein manta hu jitna invest india ne cricket pe kiya hai utna koi kr bi nhi skta to ispe koi doubt nhi india ko jo dominance hai woh deserve krte hai unho ne apni cricket avhi ktne ke liye bohat kuvh kiya hai jo ab woh os stage pe hai eoh puri tarha deserve krti hai mehnat bi ki hai aur paise bi ranji trophy pe lagaye hai

 

[sweep_shot]

Great analysis.

Pakistan definitely did better than India in England, NZ, and South Africa.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Thanks @Savak for torpedoing a long standing propaganda

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Great analysis.

Pakistan definitely did better than India in England, NZ, and South Africa.

Bro is Pakistan going to be in second tier in test cricket or it won't happen with pakistan because they are still considered a big team.

 

[ElRaja]

only surprising when held against the general narrative and considering pak have been generationally crap over the last ten to fifteen years whereas india have had arguably their best team, best bowling attack at least.

 

[RexRex]

Pakistan will never win a SENA series again. This era is too professional for them.

 

[ElRaja]

Bro is Pakistan going to be in second tier in test cricket or it won't happen with pakistan because they are still considered a big team.

im happy for pak to be in second tier, they are a rubbish test team with no coherant home strategy, and no effort in exposing players to foreign conditions. pak dont deserve to be a top tier test team until they take the format seriously. as long as promotion and relegation are fair, i wouldnt even want pak in the top tier unless they earn that right by consistently beating the "weaker" teams.

 

[Usman Chadda]

The point OP is trying to make is flimsy, Pakistan is not in the same league as India in any format unfortunately.

However, the point that India has poor records overseas is still valid. Despite vast resources, their cricket team continues to be decent at best.

India should be compared with Australia, as they are arguably the best Test team in the world at the moment (despite South Africa’s WTC win)z

 

[sweep_shot]

Bro is Pakistan going to be in second tier in test cricket or it won't happen with pakistan because they are still considered a big team.

Hard to say because Pakistan is unpredictable.

I think they may stay in mid-tier for a while. Same as Sri Lanka.

 

[saimayubera]

The point OP is trying to make is flimsy, Pakistan is not in the same league as India in any format unfortunately.

However, the point that India has poor records overseas is still valid. Despite vast resources, their cricket team continues to be decent at best.

India should be compared with Australia, as they are arguably the best Test team in the world at the moment (despite South Africa’s WTC win)z

Australia is a first world country.

India's rise as a cricketing team has coincided with the economic boom in the last 20-25 years (same thing with Pak's cricketing decline coinciding with economic decline).

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

The point OP is trying to make is flimsy, Pakistan is not in the same league as India in any format unfortunately.

However, the point that India has poor records overseas is still valid. Despite vast resources, their cricket team continues to be decent at best.

India should be compared with Australia, as they are arguably the best Test team in the world at the moment (despite South Africa’s WTC win)

The point OP is trying to make is flimsy, Pakistan is not in the same league as India in any format unfortunately.

However, the point that India has poor records overseas is still valid. Despite vast resources, their cricket team continues to be decent at best.

India should be compared with Australia, as they are arguably the best Test team in the world at the moment (despite South Africa’s WTC win)z

Dekho yar mein is cheez pe believe krta hu har team ka best era ata hai pakistan ka tha pehle 90s mein aur ab india ka best era chal rha hai sur mujhe lgta Pakistan in misbah younis time in uae bohat strong tha test cricket mein to mujhe yaqeen hai team inshAllah woh time dubara ayega hamay spinners woh wle mil gy hai jaise ajmal abdur rehman yasir shah tha aisai hi ab noman aur sajid hai ap kia kehte ho is baray mein?

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

brilliant post @Savak

if your mission was to make indian posters cry it worked, 90% of the posts are them crying in this thread.

on the actual topic. Pakistani team came very close to beating Australia when no team could beat them and New Zealand used to be Pakistan's 2nd home. It is amazing how we never lose a single series there until the last decade

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

im happy for pak to be in second tier, they are a rubbish test team with no coherant home strategy, and no effort in exposing players to foreign conditions. pak dont deserve to be a top tier test team until they take the format seriously. as long as promotion and relegation are fair, i wouldnt even want pak in the top tier unless they earn that right by consistently beating the "weaker" teams.

Yar mujhe nhi lgta pakistan test team rubbish hai pehle dekho pakistan ne uae mein apne spinners se dominate kiya tha with yasir shah and company air misbah younis ne pak ki test team strong banayi thi mujhe lgta ab phir se wohi hoga apko spinners mil gy hai with noman and sajid you got couple of decent batmen with agha saud shakeel rizwan

 

[saimayubera]

brilliant post @Savak

if your mission was to make indian posters cry it worked, 90% of the posts are them crying in this thread.

on the actual topic. Pakistani team came very close to beating Australia when no team could beat them and New Zealand used to be Pakistan's 2nd home. It is amazing how we never lose a single series there until the last decade

Pakistani cricket team in New Zealand in 1984–85 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Know your facts first.

Pakistan couldn't beat NZ in the 80s and post 2010s when they had strong teams. Their wins in NZ are like India's wins in WI this century. At least India beat a strong WI team in 1971.

 

[saimayubera]

Let me put it this way:

In the last 25 years India have won 6 ICC titles - 1 CWC, 2 T20WC, 3 CT and have won test series in every country barring SA where they have drawn twice (10-11, 23-24).

There is NO 25 year period where Pak has had the same success.

If you consider 1980-2005 (considered Pak's golden age) you have only 1 CWC and no test series win in Aus, SA and WI.

If you consider 1992-2017 (although it extends beyond 25) to capture all three ICC trophies and the sole win in WI, you lsoe the 1987 test series win in India and have no test series win in Aus, SA and Ind.

 

[saimayubera]

brilliant post @Savak

if your mission was to make indian posters cry it worked, 90% of the posts are them crying in this thread.

on the actual topic. Pakistani team came very close to beating Australia when no team could beat them and New Zealand used to be Pakistan's 2nd home. It is amazing how we never lose a single series there until the last decade

And when did Pak come close to defeating Aus lol?

 

[saimayubera]

Let me put it this way:

In the last 25 years India have won 6 ICC titles - 1 CWC, 2 T20WC, 3 CT and have won test series in every country barring SA where they have drawn twice (10-11, 23-24).

There is NO 25 year period where Pak has had the same success.

If you consider 1980-2005 (considered Pak's golden age) you have only 1 CWC and no test series win in Aus, SA and WI.

If you consider 1992-2017 (although it extends beyond 25) to capture all three ICC trophies and the sole win in WI, you lsoe the 1987 test series win in India and have no test series win in Aus, SA and Ind.

Ofc not to mention all of the home losses Pakistan had 90s onwards.

Ind 04
SA 97 07
Aus 97 22
Eng 00 22
NZ 18
SL 96 00 17
Zim 99
Bang 24

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Ofc not to mention all of the home losses Pakistan had 90s onwards.

Ind 04
SA 97 07
Aus 97 22
Eng 00 22
NZ 18
SL 96 00 17
Zim 99
Bang 24

Yar man liya india ab pakistan se agay hai par dekho look at west indies pehle woh sb se strong team hoti thi ab dekho unka hal aisay hi jo team mehnat kregi apni domestic cricket strong kregi jaise abi india ne itna paisa lagaya wha wohi acha kregi international level pe simple si bat hai

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan win in SENA Nations since 2018 - 1​

India win in SENA nations in Last eight months -2

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[Usman Chadda]

Dekho yar mein is cheez pe believe krta hu har team ka best era ata hai pakistan ka tha pehle 90s mein aur ab india ka best era chal rha hai sur mujhe lgta Pakistan in misbah younis time in uae bohat strong tha test cricket mein to mujhe yaqeen hai team inshAllah woh time dubara ayega hamay spinners woh wle mil gy hai jaise ajmal abdur rehman yasir shah tha aisai hi ab noman aur sajid hai ap kia kehte ho is baray mein?

90s wasn’t our best era, I think 80s and early 90s was our peak and then we flattened out with volatile results. We had talented individuals in the 90s, but as a team we were still second or third best as we routinely lost to Australia and South Africa. Now we are a lowly ranked team and I highly doubt we are going to get better, if you keep our resources in perspective.

The Test team you are talking about under Misbah was alright, but had the benefit of playing well at home. Still, we drew with New Zealand and dropped a test to Zimbabwe away, which IMO ranks as the most embarrassing defeat in our history (bigger than the 2007 Ireland loss).

India is good because they have become professional and there are certain processes they are following to the T to develop their talent. Pakistan has no business even being near them to be honest, considering the antics of our board and the lack of resources.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

90s wasn’t our best era, I think 80s and early 90s was our peak and then we flattened out with volatile results. We had talented individuals in the 90s, but as a team we were still second or third best as we routinely lost to Australia and South Africa. Now we are a lowly ranked team and I highly doubt we are going to get better, if you keep our resources in perspective.

The Test team you are talking about under Misbah was alright, but had the benefit of playing well at home. Still, we drew with New Zealand and dropped a test to Zimbabwe away, which IMO ranks as the most embarrassing defeat in our history (bigger than the 2007 Ireland loss).

India is good because they have become professional and there are certain processes they are following to the T to develop their talent. Pakistan has no business even being near them to be honest, considering the antics of our board and the lack of resources.

Jee shi kha apne hamari board aur lack of resource aur ham mehnat bi nhi kr rhe apni cricket ko acha krne ki atleast ab spin pitches se apko nhi lgta uae misbah younis yasir shah wla time to a skta hai at least in pakistan?

 

[Usman Chadda]

Jee shi kha apne hamari board aur lack of resource aur ham mehnat bi nhi kr rhe apni cricket ko acha krne ki atleast ab spin pitches se apko nhi lgta uae misbah younis yasir shah wla time to a skta hai at least in pakistan?

Nope, because our batsmen will get exposed horribly against half-decent spinners on the same rank turners. Warrican ran through our batting, so that gives you an idea.

The overall culture needs to become professional for there to be results, and I’m afraid we can’t do that at the moment.

We will have flashes of brilliance, but for now there’s just more pain.

 

[jnaveen1980]

West Indies had great record as well. That is all history.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India has been very good in recent times. They probably should have achieved more in their golden era but still have a decent record in SENA in recent years.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Nope, because our batsmen will get exposed horribly against half-decent spinners on the same rank turners. Warrican ran through our batting, so that gives you an idea.

The overall culture needs to become professional for there to be results, and I’m afraid we can’t do that at the moment.

We will have flashes of brilliance, but for now there’s just more pain.

Bro hamay kia krna hoga pehle jaise honay mein ghr pe ham spinners khila ka jeet skte jaise england ko ghr mein haraya waise hi spin pitches se ghr mein acha kr skte sena countries mein abbas khurram ko khila skte i mean yeh cheeze kr skte hum

 

[saimayubera]

90s wasn’t our best era, I think 80s and early 90s was our peak and then we flattened out with volatile results. We had talented individuals in the 90s, but as a team we were still second or third best as we routinely lost to Australia and South Africa. Now we are a lowly ranked team and I highly doubt we are going to get better, if you keep our resources in perspective.

The Test team you are talking about under Misbah was alright, but had the benefit of playing well at home. Still, we drew with New Zealand and dropped a test to Zimbabwe away, which IMO ranks as the most embarrassing defeat in our history (bigger than the 2007 Ireland loss).

India is good because they have become professional and there are certain processes they are following to the T to develop their talent. Pakistan has no business even being near them to be honest, considering the antics of our board and the lack of resources.

At the end of the day, sports is the preserve of the rich.

Cricket has become very professional so the three first world countries have become quite good. Eng and NZ had no business being as poor as they were in the 90s. SA is an upper middle income country and have maintained their excellence.

India becoming richer has ensured it has become better. As India becomes even richer the effective pool will increase only more.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

brilliant post @Savak

if your mission was to make indian posters cry it worked, 90% of the posts are them crying in this thread.

on the actual topic. Pakistani team came very close to beating Australia when no team could beat them and New Zealand used to be Pakistan's 2nd home. It is amazing how we never lose a single series there until the last decade

The username is super creative. Kudos

 

[Vikram1989]

India becoming richer has ensured it has become better. As India becomes even richer the effective pool will increase only more.

There is no comparison of available talent in india post ipl.we may have never won gabba with previous era economy and approach. Mumbai Indians sent their spinner to south Africa to learn from rashid khan. They broughtvtgecspinner at 30 lakhs but invested more to get the best.Competition and professional approach is going to play a bigger role. No player is getting wiser and stronger by playing national team alone.As Ponting said "Players are expected now to give a better version of themselves everyday".Players and stakeholders are making sure of that now with out fail unless its prithvi Shaw.

 

[BDfanforever]

It's no surprising. I have always thought, between all the Asian countries Pakistan approach to Cricket is more in line with SENA.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pakistan in Pakistan will be an interesting stat these days lol

 

[sweep_shot]

brilliant post @Savak

if your mission was to make indian posters cry it worked, 90% of the posts are them crying in this thread.

on the actual topic. Pakistani team came very close to beating Australia when no team could beat them and New Zealand used to be Pakistan's 2nd home. It is amazing how we never lose a single series there until the last decade

Yes. Pakistan almost beat ATG Australia in Australia in Hobart 1999 Test. They also could've won 2010 Sydney Test. 2 close games.

 

[Sachin fan]

Is still shameful tum log ho kya 1 billion plus population phir bi aik hi sport hai us mein bi nikamy ho sharam nhi ati pakistan se barabri krte ho jis ki population hi tum logo se 7 bar kam hai

Barabari to sirf apke khayalone mai hai bhai, real life Mai to kisi ko barabari dikhti.

And population ki baat karte ho to aapka population bhi Australia se kafi jyada hai, to aap kya ukhad liye.

2025 mai population ki baat anpadh karte hai, kitni baar prove karna hoga ki population ka kisi bhi metric mai superiority se koi taluk nahi hota.

 

[Sachin fan]

brilliant post @Savak

if your mission was to make indian posters cry it worked, 90% of the posts are them crying in this thread.

on the actual topic. Pakistani team came very close to beating Australia when no team could beat them and New Zealand used to be Pakistan's 2nd home. It is amazing how we never lose a single series there until the last decade

Nice projection, people are politely responding with actual points but it would look like crying to perpetual cry babies like you, of course.

And in the same decades when you "came close", India had the best record of any touring country to Australia. Check out the stats, not that stats matter to you.

 

[Sachin fan]

Yes. Pakistan almost beat ATG Australia in Australia in Hobart 1999 Test. They also could've won 2010 Sydney Test. 2 close games.

And in the same time period (from 1999 to 2010), india had the best record of any country touring Australia, even ahead of England.

 

[Vikram1989]

And in the same time period (from 1999 to 2010), india had the best record of any country touring Australia, even ahead of England.

We won twice in that period . If not for the scg umpire's horrible blunders, we had a very good chance to win the series in 2008 itself.

 

[Sachin fan]

We won twice in that period . If not for the scg umpire's horrible blunders, we had a very good chance to win the series in 2008 itself.

Yes and lots of the other matches were draw, in the two border gavaskar trophies from 1999, our record was 2 wins, 3 losses and 3 draw

We simply didn't have the bowlers to convert draws to wins.

 

[Sachin fan]

Seems to be more of a frustration thread and a classic when getting your butt whooped 24/7, bring up Pakistan and Bangladesh to feel satisfied

What? OP is directly comparing India's performance vs Pakistan and is a Pakistani himself. What are you talking about?

 

[Ab Fan]

SENA is not the only country where cricket is played. You have to add Windies if you are going from 90s onwards.

In case, we wanna make conclusion of anything then we might as well add Sri Lanka also.

 

[mominsaigol]

What? OP is directly comparing India's performance vs Pakistan and is a Pakistani himself. What are you talking about?

So?

 

[Sachin fan]

So?

So how is discussing Pakistan, in a thread which is about comparision with Pakistan, "brining up pakistan"?

Maybe think and then type. Seperately.

 

[mominsaigol]

So how is discussing Pakistan, in a thread which is about comparision with Pakistan, "brining up pakistan"?

Maybe think and then type. Seperately.

I claimed its a frustration thread. It is one. End of. And lol savak is an indian hype machine. He also has a habit of bringing in non sensical and unverifable sources and parading them around.

Dude was telling me that their was a non existent source which stated that Fakhar Zaman is becoming a freelance USA contractor in 2024

 

[saimayubera]

Yes. Pakistan almost beat ATG Australia in Australia in Hobart 1999 Test. They also could've won 2010 Sydney Test. 2 close games.

India actually won in Adelaide 2003 and Perth 2007.

 

[Mamoon]

Historically, Pakistan have batted poorly in Australia and South Africa. In the last 10-15 years, batting has been OK and at times quite good but the bowling has been a major let down.

In fact Pakistan has scored enough runs in the last 10 odd years to at least win or draw some Tests, but they can’t seem to get both batting and bowling right at the same time.

The record in New Zealand was previously good because New Zealand were quite weak from mid 90’s to 2000s but they took their cricket to a different level post 2010s.

It’s very difficult to win in New Zealand now for any team, not just Pakistan. Apart from Australia, I don’t recall anyone winning a series in New Zealand for many years.

England has the friendliest pitches and conditions for Asian sides also historically and currently and Pakistan did really well until 2018. The 2020 tour was bad but if Pakistan prepare well they can compete next summer. England’s bowling is not looking good.

 

[mominsaigol]

I mean India isn't the one getting their butt whooped 24/7. It's Pakistan.

News flash, if you wanna be taken seriously, dont choose a Pakistani username

 

[saimayubera]

News flash, if you wanna be taken seriously, dont choose a Pakistani username

It's not. It's a joke. Basically how Pakistani fans anoint "eras" which never arrive as Pakistani players go bust after a few good seasons.

Shaheen era. Babar era. etc

 

[saimayubera]

Historically, Pakistan have batted poorly in Australia and South Africa. In the last 10-15 years, batting has been OK and at times quite good but the bowling has been a major let down.

In fact Pakistan has scored enough runs in the last 10 odd years to at least win or draw some Tests, but they can’t seem to get both batting and bowling right at the same time.

The record in New Zealand was previously good because New Zealand were quite weak from mid 90’s to 2000s but they took their cricket to a different level post 2010s.

It’s very difficult to win in New Zealand now for any team, not just Pakistan. Apart from Australia, I don’t recall anyone winning a series in New Zealand for many years.

England has the friendliest pitches and conditions for Asian sides also historically and currently and Pakistan did really well until 2018. The 2020 tour was bad but if Pakistan prepare well they can compete next summer. England’s bowling is not looking good.

Pakistan's test bowling is also not good.

It'll end up like the 2022 series or the 2024 series 1st test. Pakistani batsmen will do well and score big but England will just overpower them and then Pakistan will collapse under scoreboard pressure.

 

[mominsaigol]

It's not. It's a joke. Basically how Pakistani fans anoint "eras" which never arrive as Pakistani players go bust after a few good seasons.

Shaheen era. Babar era. etc

Yes cause you're such a famous poster that everyone who knows you will automatically consider it as a joke and not view you as one instead.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pakistan's test bowling is also not good.

It'll end up like the 2022 series or the 2024 series 1st test. Pakistani batsmen will do well and score big but England will just overpower them and then Pakistan will collapse under scoreboard pressure.

To be fair, they have Abbas, Khurram, Nauman and Sajid now. And that's a pace and spin attack that's at least on par with India's pace and spin attack.

The expectations will be high on Pakistan when they tour England next year.

 

[saimayubera]

To be fair, they have Abbas, Khurram, Nauman and Sajid now. And that's a pace and spin attack that's at least on par with India's pace and spin attack.

The expectations will be high on Pakistan when they tour England next year.

Hehe sure sure

 

[mominsaigol]

To be fair, they have Abbas, Khurram, Nauman and Sajid now. And that's a pace and spin attack that's at least on par with India's pace and spin attack.

The expectations will be high on Pakistan when they tour England next year.

Issue is not bowling, it is batting. Pakistan test batting lineup is extremely outdated when compared to England

 

[kron]

Pakistan played a lot of 1 to 2 test series in nz

And in England too.
Hence skewed record

 

[saimayubera]

India is getting their butts whooped in Tests. If with all that might in world cricket you have to resort to comparing yourself with a low-tier team like Pakistan, then there really is something wrong with you Indians. Insecurity seems to be a genetic issue I guess?

Plus the OG comment was 24/7, which is Pakistan.

India won the last ICC tournaments in both white ball formats without dropping a single match. Pakistan got kicked in the first round in both winning only one match in both tournaments COMBINED and that too vs Ireland.

 

[saimayubera]

Pakistan played a lot of 1 to 2 test series in nz

And in England too.
Hence skewed record

Pakistan benefited from playing them when they were a strong team and Eng/NZ were weak.

Similar to India destroying WI nowadays as WI are a poor team (I think 9 consecutive series won without losing a match home/away since 2002).

Pak aren't that good of a team so keep drawing series or losing matches against WI (similar to India of 90s not being able to defeat poor NZ/Eng teams).

 

[Usman Chadda]

Plus the OG comment was 24/7, which is Pakistan.

India won the last ICC tournaments in both white ball formats without dropping a single match. Pakistan got kicked in the first round in both winning only one match in both tournaments COMBINED and that too vs Ireland.

You need to seek help with a therapist immediately.

How many tests has super-power India lost recently, including a whitewash in a home series I believe? Failed to make the final of a World Test Championship in a sport you apparently dominate?

Not sure why are you bringing in Pakistan repeatedly, when I don’t consider us a top team by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[sweep_shot]

You need to seek help with a therapist immediately.

How many tests has super-power India lost recently, including a whitewash in a home series I believe? Failed to make the final of a World Test Championship in a sport you apparently dominate?

Not sure why are you bringing in Pakistan repeatedly, when I don’t consider us a top team by any stretch of the imagination.

India in last 12 Tests:

Played: 12
Won: 2
Drew: 2
lost: 8

 

[Hitman]

India in last 12 Tests:

Played: 12
Won: 2
Drew: 2
lost: 8

This, after hearing 24/7 that India hasn't won an ICC trophy in 10 years, and that bilateral cricket doesn't count and hence India's 2 Test series wins in Australia counts for nothing. ​

 

[Usman Chadda]

This, after hearing 24/7 that India hasn't won an ICC trophy in 10 years, and that bilateral cricket doesn't count and hence India's 2 Test series wins in Australia counts for nothing. ​

The point is India should be winning more often, rather than comparing itself with a second tier team like Pakistan.

 

[saimayubera]

You need to seek help with a therapist immediately.

How many tests has super-power India lost recently, including a whitewash in a home series I believe? Failed to make the final of a World Test Championship in a sport you apparently dominate?

Not sure why are you bringing in Pakistan repeatedly, when I don’t consider us a top team by any stretch of the imagination.

Brother, Pakistan is the last team who should be talking of home whitewashes. You got whitewashed by Bangladesh,

And Pakistan came LAST in the WTC.

 

[saimayubera]

The point is India should be winning more often, rather than comparing itself with a second tier team like Pakistan.

It is in white ball formats.

Red ball it is going through transition like it did in 2011 and series against SENA are always tough. Few years later transition will be done and another dominant run will start just like 2007-11 and 2015-21.

Even Aus had a period where they got whitewashed in Ind, Pak and SL back to back to back.

Pakistan is not even able to win with a steady team.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Yes. Pakistan almost beat ATG Australia in Australia in Hobart 1999 Test. They also could've won 2010 Sydney Test. 2 close games.

But your favorite Sri Lanka inspite having Chuckertharan haven't won a single test match in Australia & India

 

[harshjoshi87]

India improved a lot when Ganguly became captain, most of 90's we lost every series away except the win in Sri Lanka in 1993.

Ganguly could make this team a tough nut to crack away from home after getting much needed confidence by beating Australia in 2001 series at home.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Brother, Pakistan is the last team who should be talking of home whitewashes. You got whitewashed by Bangladesh,

And Pakistan came LAST in the WTC.

Once again, you can continue to obsess over a mediocre team like Pakistan, but if that’s your barometer for success then India is the ultimate supa-powa!

That’s what you wanted to hear right?

 

[ElRaja]

Yar mujhe nhi lgta pakistan test team rubbish hai pehle dekho pakistan ne uae mein apne spinners se dominate kiya tha with yasir shah and company air misbah younis ne pak ki test team strong banayi thi mujhe lgta ab phir se wohi hoga apko spinners mil gy hai with noman and sajid you got couple of decent batmen with agha saud shakeel rizwan

theek hai, tau pehlai team banao, aur bangladesh sai whitewash na ho, west indies sai test na haro, jab sab kamzor teamon ko harao gai tau phir khudi promote ho jao gai, kya tension hai is mein?

 

[RidiculousMan]

It's because of swing bowling. Pakistan have always produced best fast bowlers between the two nations and it's still true. The pacers we have produced do enjoy swinging conditions a lot.

If the batting can hold on. You will see Pakistan bowling outperforming Indian bowling when they will tour England.

 

[mominsaigol]

It's because of swing bowling. Pakistan have always produced best fast bowlers between the two nations and it's still true. The pacers we have produced do enjoy swinging conditions a lot.

If the batting can hold on. You will see Pakistan bowling outperforming Indian bowling when they will tour England.

If Pakistan wish to beat england in england then they need to improve batting. Bowling isnt the issue batting is.

Eng and aus incorporating the likes of Head, Brook, Green etc etc shows that nowadays in test you do need some form of aggression.

You cant go with Abdullah, saim, Shan, Babar, Kamran, Saud, Agha, Rizwan, Imam etc etc.

They need to bring in aggressive players. Shabzada farhan and Azan Awais need to be drafted ASAP.

Azan might actually enjoy England flat pitches

 

[RidiculousMan]

If Pakistan wish to beat england in england then they need to improve batting. Bowling isnt the issue batting is.

Eng and aus incorporating the likes of Head, Brook, Green etc etc shows that nowadays in test you do need some form of aggression.

You cant go with Abdullah, saim, Shan, Babar, Kamran, Saud, Agha, Rizwan, Imam etc etc.

They need to bring in aggressive players. Shabzada farhan and Azan Awais need to be drafted ASAP.

Azan might actually enjoy England flat pitches

Azan is a good potential but I don't see him as an aggressive player.

 

[mominsaigol]

Azan is a good potential but I don't see him as an aggressive player.

It needs to be a mix.

1) Azan Awais
2) Saim Ayub
3) Shahibzada Farhan
4) Babar Azam/ Kamran Ghulam
5) Saud Shakeel
6) Rizwan
7) Agha

^^ This should be the top 7. Get rid of Abdullah and Shan

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

It needs to be a mix.

1) Azan Awais
2) Saim Ayub
3) Shahibzada Farhan
4) Babar Azam/ Kamran Ghulam
5) Saud Shakeel
6) Rizwan
7) Agha

^^ This should be the top 7. Get rid of Abdullah and Shan

Bro i like abdullah technically very solid player once set can get big runs