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I believe Pakistan will beat India in the UAE. Pakistan are more deadly in UAE than they ever were in Pakistan. Its pretty much the same for India, however Pakistan have made Dubai and Abu Dhabi their fort and done it before India could get its hands on it.

If Pakistan face India in England as a neutral venue favouring Pakistan as a host, Pakistan should easily win hands down. They have a decent record in England and especially in London. The longevity of the game and Pakistan's persistent fighting spirit should actually see them through in this venue whereas India in the Past has not been so impressive. Maybe Kohli's form should change things. Pakistan have a habit of getting beaten hard by a Gun Batsman and this will certainly tilt the shift a bit. However, considering Pakistan's current form and performance in England, every analyst in their right mind will never write off Pakistan to not walk through any opposition in England instead of England itself.

If India insist on playing Pakistan in Australia as a neutral venue, this is one place where I feel Pakistan will struggle to beat India due to the large amount of games India has played on these venues and how their batsmen and bowlers have adapted to this part of the world. Plus India will still have a home advantage because of the large amount of overseas support they receive here.

If India is to host a home Test series against Pakistan, the chances are that the home advantage should see them through. However, if Spin is the biggest threat to Pakistan, then their spinner is far more qualified to win games on such tracks. So it is a very tricky question regarding this.

Conclusion, If a 3 match series is to be held
1. UAE: Pakistan 2-1 or 2-0
2. England: Pakistan 3-0
3. Australia: India 2-0 or 2-1
4. India: India 2-1 or 1-1....do not rule out a 2-1 for Pakistan either.
 
Pakistan would beat India at any venue, this is why people from across the border keep making excuses not to play a series anywhere.

Even on the moon dust pitches which turn from ball one india would get smashed.
 
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We would win in uae , ind and aus in all likelihood with Pakistan edging it in England .. that's 3-1 to India.
 
If Misbah and Younis play then Pakistan will win easily vs India in every country.
In a years time when they both retire Pakistan will struggle to even beat West Indies
 
Pakistan for now.

No question about that.

India is developing. Shaping up into something seriously good.

But not really that good now.
 
I dont think Pakistan v India venues really matter they have similar advantages and disadvantages.

It is more game of pressure and who ever wins this will win it fortunately Pakistan test team handle pressure better than ODI and T20 so it will not be easy for any side.

On Paper I guess Pakistan have better bowling attack and Misbah and Younis add more power to spin handling capacity.
 
dhump said:
I dont think Pakistan v India venues really matter they have similar advantages and disadvantages.

It is more game of pressure and who ever wins this will win it fortunately Pakistan test team handle pressure better than ODI and T20 so it will not be easy for any side.

On Paper I guess Pakistan have better bowling attack and Misbah and Younis add more power to spin handling capacity.
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True.

Something which people don't take into account.
 
I will give slight edge to Pakistan right now.
 
PAK should win comprehensively any where in AUS, ENG & SAF. It'll be close but PAK's attack is more balanced, while IND 'll struggle with their spin attack. Besides, Indian Test batting is not that solid now.

In India & Srilanka it's close but still I'll put PAK as favourite because of the spin playing capacity. Recent Indian wickets are rank turners where any of this team batting first should dominate, but PAK has a far better spin batting capacity with YK, Misbah being the best 2 with some margin; Sarfu is not bad either. Recent SRL wickets are best in Asia - it has bounce, pace & turn. One has to appreciate the grounds man for a wicket that takes the match to 14th session with 5 centuries, 3 five wicket haul between pacers & spinners & a 10 wicket match. Close series again, but in India & SRL, I back PAK batting to do better than any team on countering India's best weapon - Ashwin.

In UAE, I'll put India as favourite. Those are exactly the type of wicket I would not like PAK team to play - dead slow, low & dying wicket which doesn't encourage strike play, neither helps attacking spin. We think PAK is invincible in UAE simply because we have seen PAK team only in UAE dross; what this team can do on true, fast wicket with consistent bounce, but not much sidewise movement, was evident in Oval (and reading my posts on PAK wickets & PCB farmers should also help). In UAE, Indian players will counter the spin threat of Yasir for the sheer slowness of the wicket, while apart from 15-20 overs with old ball, nothing from pacers. Indian pacers use the new ball better, which should count for early break through, but the telling difference is the twin threat - on those dead slow turners, Ash & Jaddu 'll choke PAK team to submission.

PAK Test team is really good, while most teams are touring bunny these days; hence PAK is not exposed on UAE wickets in Test, but they are the worst ODI side there. 3 teams that plays spin better actually have out done PAK in UAE - NZ, SRL & SAF. India 'll win there with Ashwin and Jadeja taking 60+ wickets in between them, in a 5 Test series & Pujara scoring 500+ runs. Ash probably the MoS, because he'll bat well there also.

Had PCB got any clue what I am writing here, UAE wickets would have changed long back. This wicket in a park at Ireland is better than any wicket in Pakistan.
 
MMHS said:
PAK should win comprehensively any where in AUS, ENG & SAF. It'll be close but PAK's attack is more balanced, while IND 'll struggle with their spin attack. Besides, Indian Test batting is not that solid now.

In India & Srilanka it's close but still I'll put PAK as favourite because of the spin playing capacity. Recent Indian wickets are rank turners where any of this team batting first should dominate, but PAK has a far better spin batting capacity with YK, Misbah being the best 2 with some margin; Sarfu is not bad either. Recent SRL wickets are best in Asia - it has bounce, pace & turn. One has to appreciate the grounds man for a wicket that takes the match to 14th session with 5 centuries, 3 five wicket haul between pacers & spinners & a 10 wicket match. Close series again, but in India & SRL, I back PAK batting to do better than any team on countering India's best weapon - Ashwin.

In UAE, I'll put India as favourite. Those are exactly the type of wicket I would not like PAK team to play - dead slow, low & dying wicket which doesn't encourage strike play, neither helps attacking spin. We think PAK is invincible in UAE simply because we have seen PAK team only in UAE dross; what this team can do on true, fast wicket with consistent bounce, but not much sidewise movement, was evident in Oval (and reading my posts on PAK wickets & PCB farmers should also help). In UAE, Indian players will counter the spin threat of Yasir for the sheer slowness of the wicket, while apart from 15-20 overs with old ball, nothing from pacers. Indian pacers use the new ball better, which should count for early break through, but the telling difference is the twin threat - on those dead slow turners, Ash & Jaddu 'll choke PAK team to submission.

PAK Test team is really good, while most teams are touring bunny these days; hence PAK is not exposed on UAE wickets in Test, but they are the worst ODI side there. 3 teams that plays spin better actually have out done PAK in UAE - NZ, SRL & SAF. India 'll win there with Ashwin and Jadeja taking 60+ wickets in between them, in a 5 Test series & Pujara scoring 500+ runs. Ash probably the MoS, because he'll bat well there also.

Had PCB got any clue what I am writing here, UAE wickets would have changed long back. This wicket in a park at Ireland is better than any wicket in Pakistan.
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Ashwin won't be a threat to our batting.

Jadeja will be a bigger threat.
 
I still think it is neck and neck, even for places like England.

Even though our bowling is not in the top tier class, TBH, neither is Pakistan's. The gap between the two sides as far as bowling is concerned is not too much. As far as batting goes, again, I am unsure about this Rohit/Dhawan combo, but I am sure the team will pick up one of Vijay/Pujara depending on situation. So, that might mitigate things a bit. The rest of our batting (even with 5 bowlers) can hold their own. Unless someone has a brilliant day, it is difficult to award outright. Maybe as a Test unit the Pakistan Batting looks more appropriate but then again, I do not think the gap is so wide as to award the game to them outright. Depending on which of the individual players (and how many) has a better than average day, the game would turn. So, I don't think that it is that clear cut that Pakistan would win.

Amjid Javed said:
Pakistan would beat India at any venue, this is why people from across the border keep making excuses not to play a series anywhere.

Even on the moon dust pitches which turn from ball one india would get smashed.
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Very Classy !!!! Way to go !!!
 
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MMHS said:
PAK should win comprehensively any where in AUS, ENG & SAF. It'll be close but PAK's attack is more balanced, while IND 'll struggle with their spin attack. Besides, Indian Test batting is not that solid now.

In India & Srilanka it's close but still I'll put PAK as favourite because of the spin playing capacity. Recent Indian wickets are rank turners where any of this team batting first should dominate, but PAK has a far better spin batting capacity with YK, Misbah being the best 2 with some margin; Sarfu is not bad either. Recent SRL wickets are best in Asia - it has bounce, pace & turn. One has to appreciate the grounds man for a wicket that takes the match to 14th session with 5 centuries, 3 five wicket haul between pacers & spinners & a 10 wicket match. Close series again, but in India & SRL, I back PAK batting to do better than any team on countering India's best weapon - Ashwin.

In UAE, I'll put India as favourite. Those are exactly the type of wicket I would not like PAK team to play - dead slow, low & dying wicket which doesn't encourage strike play, neither helps attacking spin. We think PAK is invincible in UAE simply because we have seen PAK team only in UAE dross; what this team can do on true, fast wicket with consistent bounce, but not much sidewise movement, was evident in Oval (and reading my posts on PAK wickets & PCB farmers should also help). In UAE, Indian players will counter the spin threat of Yasir for the sheer slowness of the wicket, while apart from 15-20 overs with old ball, nothing from pacers. Indian pacers use the new ball better, which should count for early break through, but the telling difference is the twin threat - on those dead slow turners, Ash & Jaddu 'll choke PAK team to submission.

PAK Test team is really good, while most teams are touring bunny these days; hence PAK is not exposed on UAE wickets in Test, but they are the worst ODI side there. 3 teams that plays spin better actually have out done PAK in UAE - NZ, SRL & SAF. India 'll win there with Ashwin and Jadeja taking 60+ wickets in between them, in a 5 Test series & Pujara scoring 500+ runs. Ash probably the MoS, because he'll bat well there also.

Had PCB got any clue what I am writing here, UAE wickets would have changed long back. This wicket in a park at Ireland is better than any wicket in Pakistan.
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I don't know why folks keep saying India doesn't have a balanced attack.

New Ball Swing Bowler - Check (and the guy isn't a 70 MPH trundle anymore, averages between 80-85)
Hit the Deck Bowler - Check
Shami - Can Seam/Swing and Bounce
Left Arm Spin - Check (Pak historically has a weak spot against LAS)
Offie - Check.
 
I would have to disagree. This Indian team has shown itself to be bad tourists (I would not put too much weight on the current tour, the West Indies have been struggling in tests for nearly two decades). India have shown themselves as being extremely poor in their last two tours of both Australia and England (10 losses in last 12 matches in Australia and 7 losses in last 9 matches in England). That is a total of 17 losses in 21 matches.

By contrast, this Pakistan team has shown themselves to be not only good players in sub-continental conditions but in this tour also adapt at holding their own away from home. If there was to be a test match series between Pakistan and India then I have no doubt that Pakistan would triumph. However, we are not likely to have a series for another 12-24 months by which time things could change dramatically for Pakistan. In that time, both Misbah and YK could have been long-retired and this line up without those two batting stalwarts would be a different proposition altogether.
 
Swaraj!! said:
I don't know why folks keep saying India doesn't have a balanced attack.

New Ball Swing Bowler - Check (and the guy isn't a 70 MPH trundle anymore, averages between 80-85)
Hit the Deck Bowler - Check
Shami - Can Seam/Swing and Bounce
Left Arm Spin - Check (Pak historically has a weak spot against LAS)
Offie - Check.
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Pretty decenet, underrated leg spinner as well in Amit Mishra
 
Swaraj!! said:
I don't know why folks keep saying India doesn't have a balanced attack.

New Ball Swing Bowler - Check (and the guy isn't a 70 MPH trundle anymore, averages between 80-85)
Hit the Deck Bowler - Check
Shami - Can Seam/Swing and Bounce
Left Arm Spin - Check (Pak historically has a weak spot against LAS)
Offie - Check.
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Have you seen anything against Indian bowling in my post? The telling difference is in Test batting of respective side. For a change, put MoHa in position of Iftekhar in that Oval line-up, it's actually very good against Indian attack. In AUS/SAF/ENG Yasir comes in the equation for the bounce of the wicket & PAK pacers actually will trouble for the pace & old ball skill. If Ash doesn't have a BIG match, IND has almost nothing from Over 35 to 80 for those wickets. That was badly exposed in last English (& Kiwi/AUS) tour, when middle & late order ran with the game.
 
MMHS said:
PAK should win comprehensively any where in AUS, ENG & SAF. It'll be close but PAK's attack is more balanced, while IND 'll struggle with their spin attack. Besides, Indian Test batting is not that solid now.

In India & Srilanka it's close but still I'll put PAK as favourite because of the spin playing capacity. Recent Indian wickets are rank turners where any of this team batting first should dominate, but PAK has a far better spin batting capacity with YK, Misbah being the best 2 with some margin; Sarfu is not bad either. Recent SRL wickets are best in Asia - it has bounce, pace & turn. One has to appreciate the grounds man for a wicket that takes the match to 14th session with 5 centuries, 3 five wicket haul between pacers & spinners & a 10 wicket match. Close series again, but in India & SRL, I back PAK batting to do better than any team on countering India's best weapon - Ashwin.

In UAE, I'll put India as favourite. Those are exactly the type of wicket I would not like PAK team to play - dead slow, low & dying wicket which doesn't encourage strike play, neither helps attacking spin. We think PAK is invincible in UAE simply because we have seen PAK team only in UAE dross; what this team can do on true, fast wicket with consistent bounce, but not much sidewise movement, was evident in Oval (and reading my posts on PAK wickets & PCB farmers should also help). In UAE, Indian players will counter the spin threat of Yasir for the sheer slowness of the wicket, while apart from 15-20 overs with old ball, nothing from pacers. Indian pacers use the new ball better, which should count for early break through, but the telling difference is the twin threat - on those dead slow turners, Ash & Jaddu 'll choke PAK team to submission.

PAK Test team is really good, while most teams are touring bunny these days; hence PAK is not exposed on UAE wickets in Test, but they are the worst ODI side there. 3 teams that plays spin better actually have out done PAK in UAE - NZ, SRL & SAF. India 'll win there with Ashwin and Jadeja taking 60+ wickets in between them, in a 5 Test series & Pujara scoring 500+ runs. Ash probably the MoS, because he'll bat well there also.

Had PCB got any clue what I am writing here, UAE wickets would have changed long back. This wicket in a park at Ireland is better than any wicket in Pakistan.
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Had you have provided some of these godly/invaluable suggestion to BCB ,Bangladesh would have been competing much better in test cricket. Coming to this topic how you are so sure of something which is not happened yet and still saying it as a matter of fact thing. I understand India did not perform well last time when they visited England and Australia.but now the leadership,approach, strategy are different and even players have gained more experience don't forget we are still in transition phase in spite we are competing with other teams. Australia and England are also no different when they travel to other country, also Pakistan has just completed one series in Eng after long time and competed well, they have yet to travel Australia and SA and performed there, but you have already declared they will beat India there, I mean how can you be so sure, had it been about home country i can understand as home team has obvious advantages, even then they would not claim something like thish, but you are talking about a hypothetical scenario and that too with full authority as this is something inevitable or immutable.
 
raki05 said:
Had you have provided some of these godly/invaluable suggestion to BCB ,Bangladesh would have been competing much better in test cricket. Coming to this topic how you are so sure of something which is not happened yet and still saying it as a matter of fact thing. I understand India did not perform well last time when they visited England and Australia.but now the leadership,approach, strategy are different and even players have gained more experience don't forget we are still in transition phase in spite we are competing with other teams. Australia and England are also no different when they travel to other country, also Pakistan has just completed one series in Eng after long time and competed well, they have yet to travel Australia and SA and performed there, but you have already declared they will beat India there, I mean how can you be so sure, had it been about home country i can understand as home team has obvious advantages, even then they would not claim something like thish, but you are talking about a hypothetical scenario and that too with full authority as this is something inevitable or immutable.
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Is this thread for a real life scenario or a hypothetical scenario?

Here you are trying the cheap tactics of shifting goal post, when you don't like the topic but don't have the answer either. Bangladesh has nothing to do in this thread so keep that out - I am too old to be bullied by those cheap shots.

Coming to the other part of the post, you have no comments on my assessment of PAK-IND in UAE part, because that suits your choice - that's the worst mistake in blogging. Indian change in leadership has long way to go yet - you can check the last day of Kingston Test, when leadership was a bit exposed after Blackwood started to counter attack, that too after 300+ lead, 40/4 situation & without any chance of losing the match.

Going by your debut in PP, I do understand, you are new here. Keep reading posts here - lots of good staff discussed in open mind (besides the IND-PAK-BD shenanigans), which you won't find in many paid sources. There are few Indian posters also posting here - you can put your agenda to them as well.
 
MMHS said:
Is this thread for a real life scenario or a hypothetical scenario?

Here you are trying the cheap tactics of shifting goal post, when you don't like the topic but don't have the answer either. Bangladesh has nothing to do in this thread so keep that out - I am too old to be bullied by those cheap shots.

Coming to the other part of the post, you have no comments on my assessment of PAK-IND in UAE part, because that suits your choice - that's the worst mistake in blogging. Indian change in leadership has long way to go yet - you can check the last day of Kingston Test, when leadership was a bit exposed after Blackwood started to counter attack, that too after 300+ lead, 40/4 situation & without any chance of losing the match.

Going by your debut in PP, I do understand, you are new here. Keep reading posts here - lots of good staff discussed in open mind (besides the IND-PAK-BD shenanigans), which you won't find in many paid sources. There are few Indian posters also posting here - you can put your agenda to them as well.
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I just don't skipped UAE even skipped India and SRL ,and i had just taken excerpt of your statement above, because i do not agree on any of it.Even for UAE, i can't have a strong/prejudiced opinion till the time these 2 teams meet at least for a series . This thread is for sure for a hypothetical scenario and what i am trying to say is, opinion which you have thrown here sounds more like a matter of fact thing and not just mere observation.Trust me i don't believe in bullying anyone and also this in not the place to do that, BTW what statement of mine sounds like i bully you. Rather, i have observed you play this card on few occasion where you disagree with somebody and you seek for other's opinion to concur with you and speak something in support of you. My friend, just because you are active on this forum for a long time and contribute a lot it doesn't make you immune or should make you feel offended if some one think otherwise. The very first statement which i mentioned was more like a compliment (humorous way) as you sound so affirmative and convincing (with your theory) that PCB is jobless and hence they should read your suggestion on PP and should follow that.
 
Pakistan is better in all formats, all surfaces. Period, no need to discuss.:misbah
 
raki05 said:
I just don't skipped UAE even skipped India and SRL ,and i had just taken excerpt of your statement above, because i do not agree on any of it.Even for UAE, i can't have a strong/prejudiced opinion till the time these 2 teams meet at least for a series . This thread is for sure for a hypothetical scenario and what i am trying to say is, opinion which you have thrown here sounds more like a matter of fact thing and not just mere observation.Trust me i don't believe in bullying anyone and also this in not the place to do that, BTW what statement of mine sounds like i bully you. Rather, i have observed you play this card on few occasion where you disagree with somebody and you seek for other's opinion to concur with you and speak something in support of you. My friend, just because you are active on this forum for a long time and contribute a lot it doesn't make you immune or should make you feel offended if some one think otherwise. The very first statement which i mentioned was more like a compliment (humorous way) as you sound so affirmative and convincing (with your theory) that PCB is jobless and hence they should read your suggestion on PP and should follow that.
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Thanks for the humorous compliment. You are entitled for whatever you think regarding a hypothetical scenario.

Next time, when I play cards, please expose me, if you can, or even can do now for those few occasions - it's a written blog, records are there; otherwise please don't try to be too smart.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Don't do that thing in every thread bro.

You are too good a poster to fall into this trap.
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yeah just trying to have some fun but sometimes posting like this makes more sense than actually making sense on any cricket forum these days.
 
MMHS said:
Thanks for the humorous compliment. You are entitled for whatever you think regarding a hypothetical scenario.

Next time, when I play cards, please expose me, if you can, or even can do now for those few occasions - it's a written blog, records are there; otherwise please don't try to be too smart.
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My intention to join this forum is not to expose you or anybody, i was just responding to an allegation which you blamed me for. You have an strong opinion on this topic which was questionable otherwise nothing against you to Bully or outsmart you. So if you still want to do that please be my guest.
 
Pakistan is better side as long as Misbah and YK are playing. Once these 2 retire, India will have much better batting line up and bowling will be equal.

Misbah and YK are on their last leg. Can't expect 40 year olds to continue much. They may retire anytime.
 
Pakistan is only better on paper. In reality they would find unique and hilarious ways to accidentally lose to India.
 
Tbh don't think there's a big difference between all the top teams We did win in Sri Lanka for example, but Sri Lanka tested us in the UAE.

Basically most of the top teams do well at home, and poor abroad in tests. The exception to this rule has been England lately, but they haven't been dominant at home. South Africa were the last team to really be competitive anywhere, home and away, but it looks like they've fallen apart recently.

If I had to say I think Pakistan would beat India in UAE, UK, Sri Lanka and New Zealand. Think India would beat us in India, Australia, West Indies and South Africa.
 
India should have played Pakistan. India ran away therefore Pakistan is the real winner. To be honest, Pakistan has always been a better Test team.
 
Thivagar said:
India should have played Pakistan. India ran away therefore Pakistan is the real winner. To be honest, Pakistan has always been a better Test team.
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That's incorrect. Even after playing series after series on their home turf, Pak still haven't managed to grab the no 1 spot in ICC test rankings while we played only one test series at home in last last couple of years and we r already at the top of the rankings. That's the power of India in test cricket. :baelish


Just imagine what would've happened to our rating points if we had continuously played tests at home like pakistan :akhtar
 
Amjid Javed said:
Pakistan would beat India at any venue, this is why people from across the border keep making excuses not to play a series anywhere.

Even on the moon dust pitches which turn from ball one india would get smashed.
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yep as proven by past episodes such as the jeet-lo-dil series .... makes perfect sense :91:
 
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Tusker said:
yep as proven by past episodes such as the jeet-lo-dil series .... makes perfect sense :91:
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Try winning a few test match overseas first and then talk You have won 1 match out of 22 test matches you have played in the last 5 years in England, Australia, NZ and SA....beating an inept WI team and suddenly indian shoopershtars are on fire including their fans.
 
Prince_ said:
That's incorrect. Even after playing series after series on their home turf, Pak still haven't managed to grab the no 1 spot in ICC test rankings while we played only one test series at home in last last couple of years and we r already at the top of the rankings. That's the power of India in test cricket. :baelish


Just imagine what would've happened to our rating points if we had continuously played tests at home like pakistan :akhtar
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Last time we played on home turf was 2009...
 
Prince_ said:
That's incorrect. Even after playing series after series on their home turf, Pak still haven't managed to grab the no 1 spot in ICC test rankings while we played only one test series at home in last last couple of years and we r already at the top of the rankings. That's the power of India in test cricket. :baelish


Just imagine what would've happened to our rating points if we had continuously played tests at home like pakistan :akhtar
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Blah blah blah Pakistan is a better Test team than india, end of story. Loi is whole new story.
 
aloo paratha said:
Last time we played on home turf was 2009...
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UAE is ur home ground now. Accept it. I m not going to troll about the fact that Pak don't get the chance to play on their actual home ground. It's extremely sad and I hope cricket will return to Pak as soon as possible. :)
 
Prince_ said:
UAE is ur home ground now. Accept it. I m not going to troll about the fact that Pak don't get the chance to play on their actual home ground. It's extremely sad and I hope cricket will return to Pak as soon as possible. :)
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Thanks, but still, doesn't make it home.

If you call something your home away from home, does it match your actual home??
 
Pakistan will win everywhere, this isn't even a contest ATM - we'll give them an absolute drubbing.

I have an open challenge to BCCI, Indian Govt, and the THE INDIAN PEOPLE. Grow a pair and play a test series of 5 matches against us anywhere.. (Your Choice of Venue)

In addition to destroying the morale of certain a doctor in Peshawar we would crush all these Fazool Delusions once and for all.

If any BCCI or an Indian Govt Higher Ranking Official is reading this, please take note and make this happen.

Sincerely
A Cocky Pakistani Fan
 
aloo paratha said:
Thanks, but still, doesn't make it home.

If you call something your home away from home, does it match your actual home??
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Indeed. Nothing can match the confidence that a team get when they play in front of their actual home ground. When u see the whole stadium is behind u, roaring for u..... ur game automatically elevates to whole new level :)
 
It's hard to predict like this.

Pakistan is definitely better side than India currently.
 
Give the edge to Pakistan right now, but India have age on their side.
 
I think Pakistan will win at England and New Zealand, India might probably eke out a win at South Africa (if wickets are helpful) while it will most probably be a stalemate at the Australian roads. In the UAE, I think Pak will win while India have a good chance at home.
 
At the moment Pakistan has upper hand against India in Test matches. (But everyone knows what's their fate in ODIs/T20s)

Once the services of Misbah & Younis is finished and India's batsmen (Kohli, Rahul, Rahane) get matured & Vijay, Pujara get back to groove + some proper pacers are identified at least temporarily you will see the huge turnover....
 
Amjid Javed said:
Pakistan would beat India at any venue, this is why people from across the border keep making excuses not to play a series anywhere.

Even on the moon dust pitches which turn from ball one india would get smashed.
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Your frustration is understandable and your ability to twist the situation and find twisted reasons to help you sleep better are enjoyable
 
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Yanna_Rascala said:
Try winning a few test match overseas first and then talk You have won 1 match out of 22 test matches you have played in the last 5 years in England, Australia, NZ and SA....
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Where do you think the Ind-Pak series will be played if the politics gets sorted ? Hint: None of the above countries ... So now is the time to start your song and dance on how your team is a "Sher" team with bahadur's :)
 
Yanna_Rascala said:
Try winning a few test match overseas first and then talk You have won 1 match out of 22 test matches you have played in the last 5 years in England, Australia, NZ and SA....beating an inept WI team and suddenly indian shoopershtars are on fire including their fans.
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hey..you become shooopershtars when you're able to buy the #1 ranking while having such a dismal away record. 1 out 22...I'm actually shocked. thanks for sharing...watch our Indian posters quietly ignore this
 
It's true pakistan is better test team and will defeat India in UAE and England. However, playing India in India is ghost of different colour. :ghalib

There's a reason why, India have lost only one series at home since decades. My verdict, Pakistan to win in England, UAE and NZ - while India to win/draw in WI, India, Australia, SL, SA, BD and Zimbabwe. :)
 
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RamLakhan said:
At the moment Pakistan has upper hand against India in Test matches. (But everyone knows what's their fate in ODIs/T20s)

Once the services of Misbah & Younis is finished and India's batsmen (Kohli, Rahul, Rahane) get matured & Vijay, Pujara get back to groove + some proper pacers are identified at least temporarily you will see the huge turnover....
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Proper prediction. Had u predicted amir retiring it would have been even better. Kohli, pujara, rahane and some ''proper pacers'' have helped india dominate. younis and misbahs services are still there but arent exactly helping pakistan.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
We’re playing with 10 men (missing opener)
also no Hassan Ali which would be like no Bumrah for India.
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We have lost 24 games in a row against South Africa,Australia, and New Zealand. And your still doubting it's a quality issue lol?
 
You can tell why I go after the guy who bumps threads whilst thinking from his backside....

Pakistan have batted better Than India has in NZ....is there any doubt about this?
 
Rana said:
You can tell why I go after the guy who bumps threads whilst thinking from his backside....

Pakistan have batted better Than India has in NZ....is there any doubt about this?
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Batted better and won how many games? India are a better team than Pakistan. That's what the thread is about, not who bats better in New Zealand.
 
Hasan123 said:
Batted better and won how many games? India are a better team than Pakistan. That's what the thread is about, not who bats better in New Zealand.
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Pakistan are Still better than India in NZ. How about you do your research first
 
Hasan123 said:
Batted better and won how many games? India are a better team than Pakistan. That's what the thread is about, not who bats better in New Zealand.
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Tbf to the op at the time both teams were evenly matched in tests so even if india are better now it dosent change the fact that pakistan could have beaten them back then. I guess I should also get ready to prepare my ''lol'' when pakistan becomes better than india in 7 years time.
 
MHN1293 said:
Tbf to the op at the time both teams were evenly matched in tests so even if india are better now it dosent change the fact that pakistan could have beaten them back then. I guess I should also get ready to prepare my ''lol'' when pakistan becomes better than india in 7 years time.
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For me India were always the better overall team at the time of this thread.
 
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