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Indian fans, what would give you more joy? Winning in Australia or winning the World Cup next year?

Maxwell against India is a different player. He definitely was playing India if not being caught in the scandal.

Some players are just meant to be there for some teams.

Even if Laxman was completely out of form you would always play him against Australia.

Same with Maxwell vs India.
 
WC>>>>>ANY Test series win (be it Ashes or any away series win)

However,This series win is somewhat comparable to WC win(from Indian perspective) as India or ANY ASIAN team hasn't won any series in Australia and India first tour to Australia was in 1947 while India first tour to South Africa was in 1992(which is relatively new).

On a sidenote,I rate India T20 WC win 2007 > India test series in England 2007(after 21 years).And I'm sure 99% of Indian would agree that T20 WC win in 2007 was the most memorable moment of that year.
 
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Huge achievement. Winning a test series in Australia- it doesn't get better than this. Only three teams have done it in past.
 
Buffet said:
They have won WC twice.

They will win a test series in Aus first time.
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I was typing the exact same thing..sigh!

This is the first time ever an India team will win a test series in Australia. It is a huge achievement. It doesnt matter what team the Aussies fielded. First time is always sweet!
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Maxwell against India is a different player. He definitely was playing India if not being caught in the scandal.

Some players are just meant to be there for some teams.

Even if Laxman was completely out of form you would always play him against Australia.

Same with Maxwell vs India.
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Glenn Maxwell with an out of the world average of 24 against India would have made India lose 0-5 in this 4 test series
 
Lot of guys sound like it is easy to win a test in Australia especially by an Asian team with half the side full of noobs. Pant first season. Bumrah first season. Kuldeep first season. Agarwal first season, Vihari first season. In addition to that they have two big passengers in Vijay and Rahul.
 
Yes it's a big deal because this Indian team isn't a powerhouse. Bumrah just 10 test matches, pant just 8, hanuma vihari not even 5, mayank agarwal 2. Out of form openers (Vijay, rahul)and rahane. Australian bowling is good;but our bowlers outshined them.
 
Sarwar89 said:
This is a significant moment of Indian Cricket History.

No one can ever say to them anymore that India has never won a Test Series in Australia.

This is as big an achievement as winning the World Cup.

Virat Kohli’s legacy will always remain now regardless how he does in ICC Cups as Captain.

Some people are saying that Smithy and Davey and Bancroft are not there well.

Kumble/Srinath were not there in epic 2001 series at home. Harbhajan was nobody at that time.

And Sachin did not feature in 2004 ( until last test).

Pakistan ?
Well i think they have let themselves and their fans down
Lost 0-2 in nzl
Lost 0-3 in AUS
Lost 0-3 in South Africa
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Pakistan has been poor at the worst time. This was a great chance to create history in SA. Instead, they are getting spanked.
 
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Yes this win is as big as a world cup victory. We already have won two world cups unlike some chokers.
For a Bangladeshi, New Zealand or south african(chokers) world cup would have been a much bigger achievement but for us this win is as good as Wc.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
If Pakistan would have won it, (they would have still lost 3-0 here) we would have hailed our team as the dawn of new era.

Since India is winning it, there must be some variable added to decrease its value or meaning.

Sums up half of this nation really.
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True. This is one of the biggest achievements in Indian cricket history regardless of Australia being depleted.
 
We are yet to a win a series in South Africa (Missed the chance though!)
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Lot of guys sound like it is easy to win a test in Australia especially by an Asian team with half the side full of noobs. Pant first season. Bumrah first season. Kuldeep first season. Agarwal first season, Vihari first season. In addition to that they have two big passengers in Vijay and Rahul.
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Agree. It aint easy winning even a single test in Australia. This is what I said even before the series.

Easier to win in SA as India has shown in the past drawing a series in 2010 and winning a test almost every time they toured them in the last decade or so.
 
RamLakhan said:
We are yet to a win a series in South Africa (Missed the chance though!)
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SA’s batting is in perpetual decline. India’s batting is only going to become stronger once Shaw, Agarwal, Gill gain experience. India will have a strong chance next time around.
 
RamLakhan said:
We are yet to a win a series in South Africa (Missed the chance though!)
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With shorter series, you may get chance there. In Aus to win when playing 4-5 tests is harder for SC teams.
 
Bancroft was just a newcomer, why the hell is he evn being mentioned.
Pattinson wasn't playing for aus since 2015.
Maxwell was available but wasn't selected bcoz he hasn't acheived anything in test cricket.
Smith and warner are the only ones missing, rest of the team selects itself
 
Can't downplay what India has done. The first time a subcontinental team has won a test series in Australia. The present Pakistani team would have lost 3-0
 
Pakistan's over rated bowling attack single handedly cost them the series in 2017
 
India vs Australia is the only rivalry I care about. This series win is nice to have, but would have liked 4-0 win.
 
India visits SENA countries and wins matches there. then we find fans of other Asian countries telling us that winning in SENA countries was no big deal. If that is so then why their own teams have failed to win any test in SENA countries for many years (some Asian countries have in fact never even drawn a single test in SENA countries).

The question asked by OP was what will happen first- Asian win winning in SENA or SENA team winning in Asia. You have your answer. An Asian team is winning first in SENA. Now do not start pooh poohing this achievement by telling that the Australian side is very weak and all that. For all its weakness, it is still ranked higher than all Asian countries except India.
 
This win will be a landmark in Indian cricket history.
This same Australian team would have thrashed other Asian teams 3-0.
Indian batting facing their best attack is far superior to their batting facing our attack.
 
Aussies have been weak earlier also. But asian teams have always found it difficult to win in Australia.
 
Asian countries have won 4WC, but have never won a series in Australia. So,it’s not as easy as some people make it out to be.
 
Unless something drastic happens in the next 2 days, a test series win in SA is the last remaining achievement for India. ODI WC, T20 WC, Champions Trophy, Test series wins in all countries was never achieved by any country so far.
 
Undoubtedly good performance by Indian team and a deserving win however anyone saying it's bigger than world cup is only kidding themselves..

Let's not compare it to biggest thing in a sport and make this victory seem any less. Great achievement by the team and kudos to them
 
WengerOut said:
Glenn Maxwell with an out of the world average of 24 against India would have made India lose 0-5 in this 4 test series
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Someone has become so desperate to be different that started considering Maxwell as missing player for Australia lol
 
Anyone changed their minds?

Initially I would have said ‘test series win in australia’ however not so sure now - to win the World Cup at Lords again would be epic.
 
Not even a contest. This series will always be remembered as us beating a third string Australian side. It won't have much lasting legacy beyond the statistic. Winning the World Cup on the other hand would be huge, especially because we're not the favourites going into it with our middle order.
 
Winning the series in Australia is getting the monkey off one's back, but a WC is a WC.

WC > Series win
 
Joseph Gomes said:
This is the arguably the weakest Australia team of all time, it would be impressive if India won the series in Eng and SAF.
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Whenever India wins a series in these countries, those teams would be regarded as their weakest ever teams. Then your team would go in the same country and would get hammered by the same weakest ever team. :srini
 
latecut said:
Whenever India wins a series in these countries, those teams would be regarded as their weakest ever teams. Then your team would go in the same country and would get hammered by the same weakest ever team. :srini
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South Africa arguably has their best bowling attack of all time atm, and England is pretty decent with their batting depth. So beating those two countries is more impressive than this Aus. No Smith, no Warner, Hazlewood is off colour and Starc has become a spray gun.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
Not even a contest. This series will always be remembered as us beating a third string Australian side. It won't have much lasting legacy beyond the statistic. Winning the World Cup on the other hand would be huge, especially because we're not the favourites going into it with our middle order.
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No one outside of Pakistani forums cares that Smith/Warner aren't playing. Australia has always been a difficult place to win, and even though they've had many weak teams in the past, no Asian team won a series there.

Just like India would still beat anyone at home without Kohli and Pujara.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
South Africa arguably has their best bowling attack of all time atm, and England is pretty decent with their batting depth. So beating those two countries is more impressive than this Aus. No Smith, no Warner, Hazlewood is off colour and Starc has become a spray gun.
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So now we take into consideration their form too? What if the Indians are just playing them well? This Australian attack would do well against most other teams.

The lengths to which people go to...

Also, SA arguably has their worst batting line up since readmission. If India won there, that excuse would be used.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
Not even a contest. This series will always be remembered as us beating a third string Australian side. It won't have much lasting legacy beyond the statistic. Winning the World Cup on the other hand would be huge, especially because we're not the favourites going into it with our middle order.
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So why aren't our stats when we lost with weak teams not removed? Man this is some next level of self loathing, when other teams thrashed our weak teams they laughed at us, they didn't discount their own wins. And the first asian win in Australia is not huge? Yeah sure
 
the only thing which will bring joy to me is when india whitewashes australia in australia and wins more world cups than australia. india vs australia is what gets me interested.
 
Sachin136 said:
So now we take into consideration their form too? What if the Indians are just playing them well? This Australian attack would do well against most other teams.

The lengths to which people go to...

Also, SA arguably has their worst batting line up since readmission. If India won there, that excuse would be used.
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Somehow none of India's losses with weak teams are ever considered. Some of pak and SA wins against weak indian sides should also not be considered
 
Joseph Gomes said:
South Africa arguably has their best bowling attack of all time atm, and England is pretty decent with their batting depth. So beating those two countries is more impressive than this Aus. No Smith, no Warner, Hazlewood is off colour and Starc has become a spray gun.
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The all time best bowling attack of South Africa is weaker than the bowling attack of the so called weakest Australian team of all time that is getting hammered by India right now.
 
Victory in a Test series in Australia is worth five World Cups and a million IPLs.

Congratulations to India - this last month is their biggest ever cricketing achievement.

Pujara, Kohli and the quick bowlers should be treated as absolute heroes for this.
 
latecut said:
The all time best bowling attack of South Africa is weaker than the bowling attack of the so called weakest Australian team of all time that is getting hammered by India right now.
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No, it’s not.

Across the eight Tests since sandpaper, Starc, Hazlewood and Lyon all average more than 40 runs per wicket.

4 of those Tests were against India, but 2 were against South Africa and 2 were against Pakistan.
 
Australia have rather surrendered meekly, making the series victory not one to savor for long. Indian team had no business of losing a Test match to this side, as it should have been a whitewash.

Now that we got this out of the way, winning WC looks like a bigger deal. It's not going to be that easy.
 
Australia batting line up is weaker than Lanka's

I think no Indian really rates this domination. Everyone still highly values the world cup in 2011.

Also Indians I know don't talk much about CT 2013 or WT20 2007 in the same way as WC2011.

And all these test wins will be forgotten by 99% of cricket fans while everyone will remember a world Cup win.
 
Executioner said:
Australia batting line up is weaker than Lanka's

I think no Indian really rates this domination. Everyone still highly values the world cup in 2011.

Also Indians I know don't talk much about CT 2013 or WT20 2007 in the same way as WC2011.

And all these test wins will be forgotten by 99% of cricket fans while everyone will remember a world Cup win.
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You are wrong.
This test series win will always be remembered. This is a monumental series win.
 
Executioner said:
Australia batting line up is weaker than Lanka's

I think no Indian really rates this domination. Everyone still highly values the world cup in 2011.

Also Indians I know don't talk much about CT 2013 or WT20 2007 in the same way as WC2011.

And all these test wins will be forgotten by 99% of cricket fans while everyone will remember a world Cup win.
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We beat the mighty windies in 1983 lol We don't care about world cup win that much. Australia series win is big. India has faced so many ordinary australian teams in Australia. NEver beat them. Extremely biased umpiring was one of the reason.
 
latecut said:
The all time best bowling attack of South Africa is weaker than the bowling attack of the so called weakest Australian team of all time that is getting hammered by India right now.
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You serious? Look at the bowling average of both teams
 
Executioner said:
Australia batting line up is weaker than Lanka's

I think no Indian really rates this domination. Everyone still highly values the world cup in 2011.

Also Indians I know don't talk much about CT 2013 or WT20 2007 in the same way as WC2011.

And all these test wins will be forgotten by 99% of cricket fans while everyone will remember a world Cup win.
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Nonsense. Not only Indians, but most neutrals except those on Pakistani forums rate this win highly. Anyone who says that a series win in Australia is not a monumental achievement is just jealous.
 
Sachin136 said:
No one outside of Pakistani forums cares that Smith/Warner aren't playing.
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Literally every "analyst" that has been covering this series has talked about this being a weaker Australian team and Paine has made it a point to mention at nearly every press conference that this is an inexperienced side that is still learning and the bigger story in Australian cricket is about when Smith and Warner will return. I can assure you that even Bangladeshi fans will point out that India was able to beat Australia only because it was without Smirh and Warner.
Indiafan said:
So why aren't our stats when we lost with weak teams not removed?
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Do you lack reading comprehension? I literally said that this is going to be nothing more than a statistic, meaning it won't be removed. The same happens with India whenever it sends its 'C' team to any series. No one's going to take a win against them seriously even though it goes in the record books.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
Literally every "analyst" that has been covering this series has talked about this being a weaker Australian team and Paine has made it a point to mention at nearly every press conference that this is an inexperienced side that is still learning and the bigger story in Australian cricket is about when Smith and Warner will return. I can assure you that even Bangladeshi fans will point out that India was able to beat Australia only because it was without Smirh and Warner.
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Being a weak team or inexperienced is a different thing, of course the Australians will mention that. But no one is downplaying the win because a couple of cheaters got banned. Even India has an inexperienced side (Mayank, Vihari, Bumrah, Kuldeep).

I don't know why you keep making statements like "no one..." as if you can speak for everyone.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Yeah, people will remember it because India bullied the weakest Aussie team in decades (arguably ever). Good for trolling maybe.
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Yes people will remember this series. Not IPL fans living outside maybe but genuine Indian cricket fans would remember this series for years to come no matter how weak the opposition was since it's never easy to beat Aussies in their own backyard.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
Literally every "analyst" that has been covering this series has talked about this being a weaker Australian team and Paine has made it a point to mention at nearly every press conference that this is an inexperienced side that is still learning and the bigger story in Australian cricket is about when Smith and Warner will return. I can assure you that even Bangladeshi fans will point out that India was able to beat Australia only because it was without Smirh and Warner.

Do you lack reading comprehension? I literally said that this is going to be nothing more than a statistic, meaning it won't be removed. The same happens with India whenever it sends its 'C' team to any series. No one's going to take a win against them seriously even though it goes in the record books.
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Blah blah and blah.
You seem to assume a lot and speak for everyone. This would be a historic win for India no matter the strength of the opposition the same way it would have been for Pakistan had they defeated South Africa this series (who btw has one of their weakest batting line up and yet no one cared to mention it more than once while in the case of India , we have 'fans' like you worried about opinions of 'every analyst' and BD fans lol)
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Probably. SAF is stronger due to their bowling, mainly.
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Give Cummins, Hazelwood and Starc pitches that South Africa dished out to India and Pakistan and watch the magic unfold. Except Rabada this South African bowling attack is overrated and probably saved from embarrassment by bowling on fast bouncy pitches.

And I'm not even mentioning that Aussies have Lyon, arguably the best spinner in the world.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Yeah, people will remember it because India bullied the weakest Aussie team in decades (arguably ever). Good for trolling maybe.
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This is also one of the weakest Indian team. 5 or 6 guys barely started their season. Not like INdia is playing with Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag. Just Kohli was in form when the series started.
 
TM Riddle said:
Give Cummins, Hazelwood and Starc pitches that South Africa dished out to India and Pakistan and watch the magic unfold. Except Rabada this South African bowling attack is overrated and probably saved from embarrassment by bowling on fast bouncy pitches.

And I'm not even mentioning that Aussies have Lyon, arguably the best spinner in the world.
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Mtch Marsh made 96 at Durban lol SO much for SA fans calling this team a mediocre team
 
Sachin136 said:
Being a weak team or inexperienced is a different thing, of course the Australians will mention that. But no one is downplaying the win because a couple of cheaters got banned. Even India has an inexperienced side (Mayank, Vihari, Bumrah, Kuldeep).

I don't know why you keep making statements like "no one..." as if you can speak for everyone.
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Just because they're not coming out aggressively like people do on social media like these forums doesn't mean they aren't downplaying the win. They've been doing it all this while except passively. They certainly haven't come out saying it's a monumental achievement for the Indian team like it would've been if this happened a decade ago, or even against a team with Smith and Warner.

Fans on the other hand, especially on social media, will be more aggressive about it.

Also, it's pretty hypocritical to call me out for saying "no one" like I speak for everyone, yet you do the same earlier in the very same comment as if you know exactly what every analyst has said about this series.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
Just because they're not coming out aggressively like people do on social media like these forums doesn't mean they aren't downplaying the win. They've been doing it all this while except passively. They certainly haven't come out saying it's a monumental achievement for the Indian team like it would've been if this happened a decade ago, or even against a team with Smith and Warner.

Fans on the other hand, especially on social media, will be more aggressive about it.

Also, it's pretty hypocritical to call me out for saying "no one" like I speak for everyone, yet you do the same earlier in the very same comment as if you know exactly what every analyst has said about this series.
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You seem to care a lot about what others think. Calm down. This would be a monumental win for India and opinions of salty fans don't matter since there would always a few with sour grapes looking to criticize India no matter how well they perform.
 
TM Riddle said:
This would be a historic win for India no matter the strength of the opposition the same way it would have been for Pakistan had they defeated South Africa this series (who btw has one of their weakest batting line up and yet no one cared to mention it more than once while in the case of India , we have 'fans' like you worried about opinions of 'every analyst' and BD fans lol)
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I'm neither following the Pakistan-South Africa series nor do I even know who's in the South African squad yet I've seen people on here mention how Pakistan can't even beat one of their weakest teams in years. Would've been the same for them if they had won.
 
TM Riddle said:
You seem to care a lot about what others think. Calm down.
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If anything, this thread only proved that other Indian fans care about what other people think more than I do. All I did was say that people are not going to rate this series win against a weaker Australian side as much as they would a World Cup win and three people took offence to it.
 
CricketCartoons said:
the only thing which will bring joy to me is when india whitewashes australia in australia and wins more world cups than australia. india vs australia is what gets me interested.
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I too think that Australia is the hardest team for India to beat, especially in Australia. SA is still strong, but in the long term their batting will not be top class. England is usually quite beatable (though it is at a peak right now), and Pakistan has systemic issues and is fading away. WI, SL and NZ will never really challenge India. Australia will remain India's top opponent for the next few decades.
 
TM Riddle said:
Give Cummins, Hazelwood and Starc pitches that South Africa dished out to India and Pakistan and watch the magic unfold. Except Rabada this South African bowling attack is overrated and probably saved from embarrassment by bowling on fast bouncy pitches.

And I'm not even mentioning that Aussies have Lyon, arguably the best spinner in the world.
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What was Starc's bowling average in last SAF tour ?
 
Napa said:
I too think that Australia is the hardest team for India to beat, especially in Australia. SA is still strong, but in the long term their batting will not be top class. England is usually quite beatable (though it is at a peak right now), and Pakistan has systemic issues and is fading away. WI, SL and NZ will never really challenge India. Australia will remain India's top opponent for the next few decades.
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SA completely relies on pitches helping them. In this case toss also helped them against India. THeir real aukat was shown in Srilanka. 126 & & 73 all out against lower ranked side.
 
World cup for me anyday. This is a good series victory but we would be lying if we don't admit that we were massively lucky with absence of Warner and Smith. So though this series victory is good but it lacs that sense of accomplishment as a world cup can give.
 
When Imran's Pakistan won a test in West Indies in 1988 WI had no Viv and not a single pacer from their Pace quartet.
Does anyone remember this now ?
Similarly who missed the series and who did not will not be remembered after a while.
Winning a series in Australia is huge huge achievement. It should be celebrated in a much bigger manner than 2011 world cup win.
 
SamNJ said:
When Imran's Pakistan won a test in West Indies in 1988 WI had no Viv and not a single pacer from their Pace quartet.
Does anyone remember this now ?
Similarly who missed the series and who did not will not be remembered after a while.
Winning a series in Australia is huge huge achievement. It should be celebrated in a much bigger manner than 2011 world cup win.
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Totally agree, it’s the win that matter and goes into record books
 
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