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Indian fans, what would give you more joy? Winning in Australia or winning the World Cup next year?

The series win in Australia no doubt. Indian captains have won the WC before and have also won multiple tinpot ICC tourneys like WT20s, CTs and Asia cups by just peaking at the right time in Cup format tournaments. A test series win even against a weaker than normal australian team is an epoch, make no mistake about it and one that even casual fans will cherish for a long time. It's not India's fault that Smith and Warner and to a lesser extent Bancroft got banned. A suitable analogy would be winning the league title to winning 2 or 3 fa and league cups. You can't win a long test series in conditions that are not generally favorable to you due to a 'perfect storm' like a CT or even a WC.
 
You are wrong.
This test series win will always be remembered. This is a monumental series win.

We beat the mighty windies in 1983 lol We don't care about world cup win that much. Australia series win is big. India has faced so many ordinary australian teams in Australia. NEver beat them. Extremely biased umpiring was one of the reason.

Nonsense. Not only Indians, but most neutrals except those on Pakistani forums rate this win highly. Anyone who says that a series win in Australia is not a monumental achievement is just jealous.

Only die hard cricket fans like you folks or myself might agree but none of my Indian friends seem to even care about Australia series.

Not denying that beating Australia is a big deal but world Cup is world cup
 
The extent of this win - not ranjitsinghji, not vijay hazare, not lala amarnath, not gavaskar, not kapil, not sachin and not even any of the Indian greats experienced - will make this so sweet for the current Indian team. And not just that I am sure this win will boost confidence and create an introspection as to what is required to repeat such performances where India failed in South Africa, Eng.
 
The test series win in Aus felt good..maybe even awesome.....but WC2019 if India wins it will be more joy
 
Only die hard cricket fans like you folks or myself might agree but none of my Indian friends seem to even care about Australia series.

Not denying that beating Australia is a big deal but world Cup is world cup

I agree with that, Aus test series win is for posters who have seen so.many Aus series being lost again and again ,it almost felt.like Sachin dream.was to win in Aus and WC, he achieved one but never could other...

A WC is what catches the imagination of passive followers of the game and creates other followers but this is about legacy and winning in Aus is matter of pride for the Indian test team and it's hard core fans.
 
Australians have bullied subcontinental teams for so long in Australia and have a terrible history with India, so this will be most satisfying. Just shudder to think what the likes of Langer, Hayden, Ponting, Waugh brothers, Martyn, Gilchrist, Mcgrath, Warne and co must be feeling how low their team has hit today.
 
We beat the mighty windies in 1983 lol We don't care about world cup win that much. Australia series win is big. India has faced so many ordinary australian teams in Australia. NEver beat them. Extremely biased umpiring was one of the reason.

That's why I think DRS has helped India in winning here.
India would have won in 2003-2004 for sure but for umpiring errors.
 
I guess, its safe to say to Indian fans Test Series win in Aus is bigger than WC which is understandable and congrats again.

On the other hand, it means they are also ok getting beaten to the pulp by arch rival Pakistan in a knockout match of WC just like the CT thrashing.

To us BD fans, the biggest prize in cricket is to obviously beat India in a high profile knockout game. Trust me every BD fans will be watching that game whereas many dont even probably know that we almost won a test series against both England and Australia albeit at home conditions.
 
Just couple of good days are all needed for team like India to win the World Cup. Bit like how Pakistan won CT despite having a not so strong team. In tests you need more than a couple of good days to win it. Also in World Cup you won’t always face home team.
 
Worldcup anyday. If India wins WC2019, it will have 3 Worldcups , just behind Australian tally of 5 Worldcups.
The Test Series win in Aus was cool, but hey a World cup is afterall a Worldcup.
 
I guess, its safe to say to Indian fans Test Series win in Aus is bigger than WC which is understandable and congrats again.

On the other hand, it means they are also ok getting beaten to the pulp by arch rival Pakistan in a knockout match of WC just like the CT thrashing.

To us BD fans, the biggest prize in cricket is to obviously beat India in a high profile knockout game. Trust me every BD fans will be watching that game whereas many dont even probably know that we almost won a test series against both England and Australia albeit at home conditions.

which knockout match are you fantasizing about :).. I expect England to top the league stage in 2019 WC and India to be second. If you want a knockout match with India, you need to come third (semifinal) or come fourth and beat England and hope to meet India in final. i don't see any of that happening. Pak might reach top four but BD won't not until you have right bowlers and top order batsman.
 
Now that we have won the Australia series... I will have the World Cup ..
 
Guys like Darrel hair buried so many wins for India in Australia. Check 1984 85 tour of India and how India dominated Australia in Australia. Rain and border saved them from humiliation.
 
I personally feel WC win will be much sweeter. This is coming from a die hard test match fan. I love test cricket but i also love other formats and WC will feel sweeter. But if we consider other ICC trophies like WT20 and CT than this win against Aus is sweeter
 
For some teams World Cup is a distant reality. SA, England, NZ, BD have never won one. For them wc is a dream. For us we have reached finals thrice won CT won Benson hedges. These are no big deals. You just need to catch a good team on a bad day.
 
WC > Series win in Aus, India, UAE and England + #1 ranking.

WC will etch you in history and make you immortal.

It's the biggest stage and biggest prize in world cricket.
 
Australians have bullied subcontinental teams for so long in Australia and have a terrible history with India, so this will be most satisfying. Just shudder to think what the likes of Langer, Hayden, Ponting, Waugh brothers, Martyn, Gilchrist, Mcgrath, Warne and co must be feeling how low their team has hit today.
Gained a lot of respect for Warne, I thought he was egotistical and up himself. But he was visibly hurt with how the team were performing and didn't pull any punches. He wants to see the team doing well.
 
I guess, its safe to say to Indian fans Test Series win in Aus is bigger than WC which is understandable and congrats again.

On the other hand, it means they are also ok getting beaten to the pulp by arch rival Pakistan in a knockout match of WC just like the CT thrashing.

To us BD fans, the biggest prize in cricket is to obviously beat India in a high profile knockout game. Trust me every BD fans will be watching that game whereas many dont even probably know that we almost won a test series against both England and Australia albeit at home conditions.
From what I've seen, Indians were more devastated by the defeat in the CT Final to Pakistan than they are happy with this series win in Aus.

They'd be lying if they were saying this is sweeter than a WC win.
 
From what I've seen, Indians were more devastated by the defeat in the CT Final to Pakistan than they are happy with this series win in Aus.

They'd be lying if they were saying this is sweeter than a WC win.

Dude India beating Pakistan even in street cricket will be fun for Indians because it is about bragging rights. If India had lost to Srilanka they wouldn't have bothered much. It is all traditional. Seriously if someone wants me to swap Australian series win for this one i would not do. Didn't India beat Paksitan 3 times in a row in Asia cup?
 
Not an India fan. But no doubt winning a test series in Australia is a bigger achievement , because it was never done before.

Nevertheless, i would rate the World CUP win still higher than this win. For two reasons.

India's all time best , faced Australia's weakest in decades. So, it takes away some excitement. This was the best chance to win in Australia for India and they have done that.

The World Cup win will make the country, generally, more happy and festive. The test wins, however great they might be, are for puritans, which are very few.
 
From what I've seen, Indians were more devastated by the defeat in the CT Final to Pakistan than they are happy with this series win in Aus.

They'd be lying if they were saying this is sweeter than a WC win.

I seriously doubt the first part. Very few fans will swap CT win with first series win in Aus.

There could be many fans who will swap WC win to this series win.

We can ask this from all Indian fans in this thread itself.
 
I seriously doubt the first part. Very few fans will swap CT win with first series win in Aus.

There could be many fans who will swap WC win to this series win.

We can ask this from all Indian fans in this thread itself.
You're overestimating the popularity of Test cricket in India.

When India won the WC, it was huge. This isn't getting as much publicity as the CT loss or WC win from what I've seen personally.
 
Australia batting line up is weaker than Lanka's

I think no Indian really rates this domination. Everyone still highly values the world cup in 2011.

Also Indians I know don't talk much about CT 2013 or WT20 2007 in the same way as WC2011.

And all these test wins will be forgotten by 99% of cricket fans while everyone will remember a world Cup win.

Kohli and Shastri rates this win very highly even more so than 2011 and '83 WC wins.

It's funny when a Bangladeshi fan tries to downgrade the achievements in Test cricket just because their team is utter ****
Nobody cares about other forms of Cricket unless it's a world tournament. Test Cricket is the pinnacle.
 
A world cup win is brilliant but this one is right up there. Watching Indian cricket for almost 3 decades myself, you cannot begin to describe the happiness this win gives me and other Indian cricket fans.
 
From what I've seen, Indians were more devastated by the defeat in the CT Final to Pakistan than they are happy with this series win in Aus.

They'd be lying if they were saying this is sweeter than a WC win.
lol, as if you've mind read all Indians!
 
Kohli and Shastri rates this win very highly even more so than 2011 and '83 WC wins.

It's funny when a Bangladeshi fan tries to downgrade the achievements in Test cricket just because their team is utter ****
Nobody cares about other forms of Cricket unless it's a world tournament. Test Cricket is the pinnacle.
This!

But what do Shastri and Kohli know about cricket? These anonymous keyboard warriors know more about cricket than they do.
 
BTW, this is hilarious. How could any non Indian tell what Indians are happy with? Or how devastated they were after CT shellacking by Pakistan?
 
In every single other sports, a series win is just a series win, nothing more. Imagine asking France, if they would trade in the World Cup in exchange for beating Brazil. You even see world renowned political leaders attend such events.

Cricket is so different from other sports where winning a random series can be considered bigger than WC itself, toss becomes a factor, pitch becomes a factor, ball tampering becomes a factor, a game that goes on for 5 straight days like a soap opera, and the list goes on.
 
In every single other sports, a series win is just a series win, nothing more. Imagine asking France, if they would trade in the World Cup in exchange for beating Brazil. You even see world renowned political leaders attend such events.

Cricket is so different from other sports where winning a random series can be considered bigger than WC itself, toss becomes a factor, pitch becomes a factor, ball tampering becomes a factor, a game that goes on for 5 straight days like a soap opera, and the list goes on.

Apples and oranges. Football is same whether it is WC or league. But WC cricket and Test series are 2 different formats of the game. For you guys, tests might not be anything but there are people who values a test series win. That too on non SC conditions.
 
BTW, this is hilarious. How could any non Indian tell what Indians are happy with? Or how devastated they were after CT shellacking by Pakistan?
I'm not telling you anything, the world saw it.
 
Funny thing is, a BD fan here is downgrading win in Aust whereas their own team is yet to play a test in Aust.

Even funnier, a kiwi fan saying WC win is much sweeter, even though they never won the cup.
 
How many people went to dance on roads all night after the win? I didn't see anyone.

You can't compare WC to a series win in any country.. Winning is Australia is a fantastic performance no doubt but WC is the biggest thing for nearly every Indian..
 
I'm not telling you anything, the world saw it.
So forget Indians, you know how and what entire world thinks about Indian cricket and its achievements and failures?
 
I guess, its safe to say to Indian fans Test Series win in Aus is bigger than WC which is understandable and congrats again.

On the other hand, it means they are also ok getting beaten to the pulp by arch rival Pakistan in a knockout match of WC just like the CT thrashing.

To us BD fans, the biggest prize in cricket is to obviously beat India in a high profile knockout game. Trust me every BD fans will be watching that game whereas many dont even probably know that we almost won a test series against both England and Australia albeit at home conditions.

No it isn't , the biggest prize for us is winning the world cup not beating a certain team, after winning one maybe priorities will change.
 
No it isn't , the biggest prize for us is winning the world cup not beating a certain team, after winning one maybe priorities will change.

BD realistic target will be to first win an Asia cup or even a tri series. Winning world cup is a distant dream at the moment. Dont hv enough class to win an ICC event.
 
BD realistic target will be to first win an Asia cup or even a tri series. Winning world cup is a distant dream at the moment. Dont hv enough class to win an ICC event.

We are talking about which is considered the biggest prize for us fans, discussing the chances of that is not point of discussion here
 
I couldn't care less if we lose to Bangladesh next world and get knocked off, this is the pinnacle for me, having experienced those pains of being an Indian fan watching the Indian team being beaten black and blue whilst travelling, its not the win but the manner of it that pleases the most. My earliest memory of an Indian tour of Aus is Srinath accidentally hitting Ponting on the face and then going down with nausea at the sight of a bleeding Ponting and then getting shooed off by Ricky while apologising....
 
I couldn't care less if we lose to Bangladesh next world and get knocked off, this is the pinnacle for me, having experienced those pains of being an Indian fan watching the Indian team being beaten black and blue whilst travelling, its not the win but the manner of it that pleases the most. My earliest memory of an Indian tour of Aus is Srinath accidentally hitting Ponting on the face and then going down with nausea at the sight of a bleeding Ponting and then getting shooed off by Ricky while apologising....
So beating a team which handicapped itself by dropping their best player and second best batsmen is the pinnacle?...

Give me break :facepalm:
 
Definitely World Cup ,any day against any record...in Cricket ,it is World Cup which matters
 
So beating a team which handicapped itself by dropping their best player and second best batsmen is the pinnacle?...

Give me break :facepalm:

I think we have argued this point to no end in another thread. Is it India’s fault that those two Australian players decided to cheat and hence get banned ? Do you have a crystal ball that told you that if Smith and Warner were present that India would have lost ? This is like saying that had India gone in with Sachin and another great Indian player they would have won against Australia too. I see the two Australian players not being there the same way as any player that got injured and hence could not play which is part and parcel of the game . You cannot control that.
 
Winning in Australia and winning world cup are not mutually exclusive. Just because India had defeated Australia in a test series does not mean that India have been disqualified from winning the world cup. As second ranked ODI team, India has a reasonable chance of winning the world cup.
 
For purist it will be this series

But for majority it will be the World Cup, like it or not. It’s a fact.

Tell me the difference between the celebration of Indian while winning the 2011 WC and this series.
 
For all the 90s era boys used to waking up early and then being humiliated - it can't be described to those who didn't go through that ,25 saal ka badla.Now SA is the last frontier.
 
Lol. Thats their problem, something that they brought onto themselves. I have no reason to believe the results would be any different had they played.
 
What every you may want to call it, ODI world cup is just another tournament. Cricket is one of the very few sport where weather conditions and things that can't be quantified makes hard for visiting sides. Also tours last for months and getting used to the food, the culture and the climate of the foreign land makes Test Cricket series really testing.
For me any away test series win will hold higher place than a odi tournament win.
 
So beating a team which handicapped itself by dropping their best player and second best batsmen is the pinnacle?...

Give me break :facepalm:

India is not handicapped? As an NZ fan who never ever tasted WC win this may be a big deal for you lol India has tasted several tournaments win in the ODIs. Frankly it doesn't matter for us anymore. Infact i expect us to lose severely in the 2019 world cup with DHoni in the side. I don't give a damn about it already.
 
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So beating a team which handicapped itself by dropping their best player and second best batsmen is the pinnacle?...

Give me break :facepalm:
I see what you did there... I see you are so sore in your hatred that you don't even think before condoning such systematic cheating.

However that happens when one is blinded by extreme hatred. Even Aussies themselves aren't this sore over loss of those 2 cheats .
 
And handicap itself? You think punishing such cheats is making oneself handicap? What about those teams which suffered due to these cheats? Were they not handicapped? And Smith is a serial cheat, first cheating through dressing room and then this.
 
What every you may want to call it, ODI world cup is just another tournament. Cricket is one of the very few sport where weather conditions and things that can't be quantified makes hard for visiting sides. Also tours last for months and getting used to the food, the culture and the climate of the foreign land makes Test Cricket series really testing.
For me any away test series win will hold higher place than a odi tournament win.
Sorry to say but this is poor excuse to defend a format standing on its last legs. No one denies that test cricket is hard and it might take time getting used to, but lets not kid ourselves. India visits Aus/Eng/RSA all the time and vice versa.

As for food, pretty sure when Aus visits India or BD they will be placed in best of the hotels out there and all of them will serve western foods.
 
From what I've seen, Indians were more devastated by the defeat in the CT Final to Pakistan than they are happy with this series win in Aus.

They'd be lying if they were saying this is sweeter than a WC win.

You can't generalise here lol. We have already seen our team win a World Cup. Never seen our team beat OZ in OZ. So yes, if it were a choice between this and the World Cup , some of us would've definitely chosen this series. Now if we were one of those teams that have never won a World Cup, I would rate a CWC higher than any series win.
 
So beating a team which handicapped itself by dropping their best player and second best batsmen is the pinnacle?...

Give me break :facepalm:

Cheaters were banned. Not dropped. There is a difference. Asif and akthar tested positive for banned substance just before Worldcup 2007 and in order to avoid ban as they were sure to be tested by ICC is different. Warner/Smith were banned by their own board for disciplinary reasons.
 
Sorry to say but this is poor excuse to defend a format standing on its last legs. No one denies that test cricket is hard and it might take time getting used to, but lets not kid ourselves. India visits Aus/Eng/RSA all the time and vice versa.

As for food, pretty sure when Aus visits India or BD they will be placed in best of the hotels out there and all of them will serve western foods.

Yes, things have changed. There are players who play specific format so they don't have to stay in a tour for that long and you can pretty much get any type of food anywhere, still playing a away series is tough.
I still remember waking up at 5:00 Am in 1991 as a young kid to watch India get trashed in Australia. We use to smuggle small transistor radio to school so we could listen to the commentary.
Different stokes for different folks. I enjoy test wins over ODI and T20. I watch ODI and T20 leagues, but it's not same as watching Test match.
 
Funny thing is, a BD fan here is downgrading win in Aust whereas their own team is yet to play a test in Aust.

Even funnier, a kiwi fan saying WC win is much sweeter, even though they never won the cup.
So, all indian fans grades this higher? (100%? I would be really surprised.)

At least I understand the difference between the One day global tournament and a 5 day game AWAY series. Congrats. This is a once in a life time victory.
 
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So, all indian fans grades this higher? (100%? I would be really surprised.)

At least I understand the difference between the One day global tournament and a 5 day game AWAY series. Congrats.

No my point is, you got to experience something first to know how it feel. Without playing a test match in Aust (EVER), how do you know how it feels to win there? Similarly, without winning a world cup (EVER), how know how it feels? :))

Indian team have won both and if their fans are saying X is more pleasing than Y, you should accept it bcoz your team have not tasted succeess in either of those and dont know how it feels.
 
No my point is, you got to experience something first to know how it feel. Without playing a test match in Aust (EVER), how do you know how it feels to win there? Similarly, without winning a world cup (EVER), how know how it feels? :))

Indian team have won both and if their fans are saying X is more pleasing than Y, you should accept it bcoz your team have not tasted succeess in either of those and dont know how it feels.

I totally understand what it is to win a ODI cup for a team like BD. How many heart breaking moments for them in Asia cup. They have not won any major tournament in their life. Their best performance in Asia cup is final so far. India doesn't even send their best XI for Asia cup.
 
Who cares what sanju manju thinks. indian fans especially those who love tests know the importance of this series win. India won world cup 35 years back. Again won 7 years back. World cup started in 1975. Within 8 years INdia won it. But India has been playing Australia for a long time. They are winning for the first time.
 
Who cares what sanju manju thinks. indian fans especially those who love tests know the importance of this series win. India won world cup 35 years back. Again won 7 years back. World cup started in 1975. Within 8 years INdia won it. But India has been playing Australia for a long time. They are winning for the first time.

So Manju thinks result couldve been different had Indias best performer did not perform. What an analysis!! I guess India would've won regardless of Vengsarkars 100s in 1986 or Gavaskars 100s in 1971 unlike in 2018 according to the legend Manju.
 
A perspective from Shastri

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Being outspoken is a virtue that can sometimes be seen as being arrogant or overconfident, and India coach Ravi Shastri knows all about it. But, when your ‘big talk’ is backed up by the results, there is little in terms of criticism that can come your way.

And when India claimed their first-ever series victory against Australia in Australia after 11 previous failed attempts, Shastri seemed to have gone a bit overboard when he termed the win bigger than the iconic 1983 World Cup triumph in England that changed the face of Indian cricket.
Sure enough, the comments didn’t go own well with the Indian fans, but Shastri says he stands by what he said.

“Of course, the 1983 World Cup glory is right up there and so was 1985,” Shastri told The Times of India from Sydney. “But I do stand by what I said — this is pure joy, this is real cricket. A 71-year-old barrier has been broken and accolades flowing from all over the world — from the likes of Imran Khan or Viv Richards — say it all. Those who’ve played cricket in Australia know what it takes to win here. They’re as tough as an opposition can get and nothing comes easy here.”

Shastri was all praise for the skipper Virat Kohli, stating that his attitude towards Test cricket is a shot in the arm for the longer format.

“He’s a fighter who plays his cricket hard. He loves a good challenge, loves giving it in the face,” said Shastri of Kohli, who scored 282 runs in the series.

“His passion and perseverance is a shot in the arm for Test cricket and when you have an individual with a combination of talent and personality like that, it begins to show inside the dressing room too. He has his priorities sorted — not here to please anyone.”

While Cheteshwar Pujara was the stand out batsman for the team -scoring 521 runs with three centuries and claiming the Player of the series award – a combined bowling effort is what helped India to the historic series win, and Shastri puts down their fantastic effort to their fitness.

“Until a couple of years ago, (Mohammad) Shami used to be so injury-prone. Lasting an entire series alone would be a high-point. For a bowler of his calibre, working on fitness has brought tremendous rewards.

“The benchmarks set for fitness — be it the YoYo tests or just day-to-day training — have helped immensely. Ishant has been a workhorse, the backbone of this attack and Boom (Bumrah) — well, what can I say. To set fear in the hearts of batsmen on tours of England and Australia is in itself quite an achievement. Look at what Ian Chappell is saying: This is the finest pace attack to visit Australia. Even Kapil has said he finds this Indian pace attack “unbelievably good”, added Shastri.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...ing-bigger-than-1983-world-cup-triumph-789411
 
It's hard to say. We won 2011 WC and it was one of the best day of my Life but after that our team performance in test matches specially in Eng and Aus where we lost 8-0 with utter humiliation makes me equally sad. And cherry on cake is England beat India in home test series.
If at that time anybody asks me the same question I would have surely choose winning a test series in SENA country.
Now we won a test series in Australia, so winning a WC19 is the priority right now. They are equally better and joyful in my opinion.
 
So Manju thinks result couldve been different had Indias best performer did not perform. What an analysis!! I guess India would've won regardless of Vengsarkars 100s in 1986 or Gavaskars 100s in 1971 unlike in 2018 according to the legend Manju.

Manju always likes to think "different" (which is generally sh**)
 
Still the aus series.That validated my 25 years of watching cricket.
But this is heartbreaking too.
 
Bumped. What is the updated verdict now?
For me, definitely the Test series win. Because we have already won the WC two times but had been humiliated badly in Australia too many times. So it was nice to see our fast bowlers bowling 90 mph and making their batsmen jump in fear.
 
Up there with my worst losses -
96 SF
99 chennai
2007 SL match
CT17 final
SA series 18 first test chasing 201
And now this.

But winning in australia is what brought me back to this game full time.And i won't go away after this defeat,because we still have the team to dominate the world once we loose the deadwood.
 
It seems a lot of people outside PP is very upset about this loss. A lot of my coworkers I know were very sad.
 
It seems a lot of people outside PP is very upset about this loss. A lot of my coworkers I know were very sad.
Ofcourse people would be sad as this was a chase-able target against a supposedly-weak team. But the qn here was which would Indian fans prefer-a Test Series Win or a third world cup win.
 
This is a joke of a question, Definitely the SF loss hurts more and am pretty sure it's same with most,why would it hurt, when majority don't even seem to bother following test matches in India
 
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