Indian Farmers Protests

[JaDed]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If one tweet rattles your unity, one joke rattles your faith or one show rattles your religious belief then it’s you who has to work on strengthening your value system not become ‘propaganda teacher’ for others.</p>— taapsee pannu (@taapsee) <a href="https://twitter.com/taapsee/status/1357133835079614465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[kabbirann]

Huge crowd at Shamli in U.P in defiance of the state govt's orders.

 

[Technics 1210]

Sikhs and Muslims now have a common enemy in India further endorsed by Modis rightwing government and it's policies against farmers.

Farmers will never back down; they never have in human history cos if the ground doesn't grow anything, there is no economy.

As the saying goes, you ain't seen nothing yet - this is just a trailer.

I just pray there is no repeat of operation Blue Star.

 

[Technics 1210]

Diversion is the defacto Indian tactic. Notice how 3 tweets became mainstream news in India in hope farmer protests will go unnoticed while the facist Bharat indian army kill a few protesters. Once the tweet story ran out of initial milage it's back to the commenting on neighbours.

I am so glad the West is day by day seeing what India really is; a failed stated for secularism and pluralism, but a successful terrorist state.

 

[JaDed]

The tweet that rattled Kangana apparently lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India has always been stronger when we all stand together and finding a solution is the need of the hour. Our farmers play an important role in our nation’s well being and I am sure everyone will play their roles to find a solution TOGETHER. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndiaTogether?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IndiaTogether</a> </p>— Rohit Sharma (@ImRo45) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImRo45/status/1357029409593561088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[silentkiller187]

The tweet that rattled Kangana apparently lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India has always been stronger when we all stand together and finding a solution is the need of the hour. Our farmers play an important role in our nation’s well being and I am sure everyone will play their roles to find a solution TOGETHER. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndiaTogether?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IndiaTogether</a> </p>— Rohit Sharma (@ImRo45) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImRo45/status/1357029409593561088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This Kangana lady is hilarious, no one outside of India had ever heard of her before yesterday yet she has the cheek to discredit Rihanna, by claiming her forbes wealth has been massively overestimated, and she hasn't released a single in 5 years, shame she didn't know her Fenty makeup range (looking at her pictures one can clearly see she could do with a visit to one of these fenty stores her makeup is ridiculous.) operates at almost £3bn and has estimated worth of around 600 million , which could pay for a lot of toilets in India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sachin Tendulkar is a congress MP from Rajya Sabha. He is not even in BJP and he is a bhakt? Lol.

The fact that showing unity and patriotism towards your country makes you a bhakt/BJP IT cell shows everything that is wrong with Indian liberals today and why they are an outcast.

Why do you think that the pseudo liberals are having to find support among pakistanis and then other foreigners?

Their support among Indians is going down by the day. Congress will do well to move away from them and stick with Indira gandhi kind of politics. Thats the only way they can get power.

This alignment with left nutties and asking foreigners to interfere will only strengthen the BJP.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

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Huge crowd at Shamli in U.P in defiance of the state govt's orders.

External forces bought them.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Sachin Tendulkar is a congress MP from Rajya Sabha. He is not even in BJP and he is a bhakt? Lol.

The fact that showing unity and patriotism towards your country makes you a bhakt/BJP IT cell shows everything that is wrong with Indian liberals today and why they are an outcast.

And where did he take Sachin's name? He was talking about andh bhakhts like you and joshila. I can understand why celebrities have to do this though. Time and again they have to prove that they are patriotic and whenever opportunities like these come they grab it.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Which part of his claim is wrong? SRT represented which party in the RS?

How about you read his second para and then ask stupid questions?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This Kangana lady is hilarious, no one outside of India had ever heard of her before yesterday yet she has the cheek to discredit Rihanna, by claiming her forbes wealth has been massively overestimated, and she hasn't released a single in 5 years, shame she didn't know her Fenty makeup range (looking at her pictures one can clearly see she could do with a visit to one of these fenty stores her makeup is ridiculous.) operates at almost £3bn and has estimated worth of around 600 million , which could pay for a lot of toilets in India.

Kangana Ranaut is a proper pendu. She is only good at acting and should not be taken seriously.

 

[JaDed]

Which part of his claim is wrong? SRT represented which party in the RS?

I’m not gonna argue with someone that propagated Khalistani flag issue your agenda is clear as well!

 

[Technics 1210]

Sachin Tendulkar is a congress MP from Rajya Sabha. He is not even in BJP and he is a bhakt? Lol.

The fact that showing unity and patriotism towards your country makes you a bhakt/BJP IT cell shows everything that is wrong with Indian liberals today and why they are an outcast.

SRT is a right wing terrorist ideology sympathiser and lets not forget his links with Shiv Sena. If he cared about Indians, Sikhs in particular, he wouldn't have worried about what some some international pop star tweeted and instead supported the plight of Indian farmers under one nation.

Perhaps there is a century in it for him.

 

[MenInG]

STICK to topic.

 

[Slog]

I think india really mucked up response to Rihanna.

She literally just said “why aren’t we talking about this!”

No outright judgement or criticism. She teeets about many things which never become a global news event because usually they don’t irk Indiaa’s online army

 

[Colorblind Genius]

coming to think of it,

Probably Indian govt is purposely fueling the fire to this matter, and it has successfully done so, to shift the focus from Arnab Goswami's whatsapp that indicates the involvement of BJP behind Pulwama attack, to farmers protest.

If BJP is behind orchestering Pulwama attack then this farmers protest news is the best thing to hide their evil faces behind the smoke screen.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

coming to think of it,

Probably Indian govt is purposely fueling the fire to this matter, and it has successfully done so, to shift the focus from Arnab Goswami's whatsapp that indicates the involvement of BJP behind Pulwama attack, to farmers protest.

If BJP is behind orchestering Pulwama attack then this farmers protest news is the best thing to hide their evil faces behind the smoke screen.

Indian agencies probably have the physical evidence of government/police officials' involvement in Pulwana false flag terrorist attack.

Right now, everything is swept under the carpet.

Maybe, some day, someone will have courage to expose this evidence to public and true faces behind murders will get punished.

Baqi, all of us will eventually die, and we gotta answer for our deeds to our Creator.

 

[PakLFC]

Indians think this a concerted effort and a conspiracy, which is different from people expressing their opinion.

That is like saying Indian's commenting on BSM and American elections was a conspiracy as well. Truth is Indian's feel they can interfere in the affairs of other countries but don't like it when others do the same. They can not stop others from speaking on the farmers protest.

 

[Lahorijat]

That is like saying Indian's commenting on BSM and American elections was a conspiracy as well. Truth is Indian's feel they can interfere in the affairs of other countries but don't like it when others do the same. They can not stop others from speaking on the farmers protest.

Sikhs are not important in any country politics because of minority population. I doubt the Indian government will care about Sikh Farmer opinion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I’m not gonna argue with someone that propagated Khalistani flag issue your agenda is clear as well!

Khalistanis use Nishan Sahib as a political flag, unlike others who use it as a religious flag.

 

[JimmyGetsBuckets]

Khalistanis use Nishan Sahib as a political flag, unlike others who use it as a religious flag.

you make no sense. how would you distinguish that? do you just call all protestors khalistanis under the guise of the flag?

 

[CricketCartoons]

you make no sense. how would you distinguish that? do you just call all protestors khalistanis under the guise of the flag?

This is a useless debate to label khalistanis, instead of discussing the merits/demerits of the laws. Doesn't matter what the political affiliation, religion or caste of the protestors, they are citizens. Have to admit, our sanghi ranks don't have the brightest of people, when it is easy to show how the protestors are in the wrong, they do self goal by bringing in religion or focussing on fringe elements.

 

[DeadBall]

you make no sense. how would you distinguish that? do you just call all protestors khalistanis under the guise of the flag?

Tbh as a neutral, the flags looked the same to me apart from the yellow color and the Khalistan writing.

 

[MenInG]

Think IK is trolling...


ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan has announced good news for the agricultural sector, saying that the largest agricultural package in the history of Pakistan for farmers will be rolled out soon, The News reported on Saturday.

The premier said that today sugarcane, rice and citrus growers in Pakistan are getting more profit from the crops, which is bringing prosperity to the rural areas.

"The incumbent government is committed to the prosperity of the farmers and the development of the agricultural sector," he added.

Read more: Farmers protest: Indians lash out at 'spineless celebrities' on social media

The prime minister was talking to a delegation of PTI leaders from Sargodha including Osama Ghias Mela, Ansar Iqbal, and Major General (R) Saleem Mela.

Whereas Special Assistant to Prime Minister Malik Muhammad Amir Dogar and Deputy Speaker National Assembly Qasim Khan Suri were also present in the meeting.

The meeting also discussed party affairs, solutions to the problems facing the people, welfare and development issues.

 

[Technics 1210]

Think IK is trolling...


ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan has announced good news for the agricultural sector, saying that the largest agricultural package in the history of Pakistan for farmers will be rolled out soon, The News reported on Saturday.

The premier said that today sugarcane, rice and citrus growers in Pakistan are getting more profit from the crops, which is bringing prosperity to the rural areas.

"The incumbent government is committed to the prosperity of the farmers and the development of the agricultural sector," he added.

Read more: Farmers protest: Indians lash out at 'spineless celebrities' on social media

The prime minister was talking to a delegation of PTI leaders from Sargodha including Osama Ghias Mela, Ansar Iqbal, and Major General (R) Saleem Mela.

Whereas Special Assistant to Prime Minister Malik Muhammad Amir Dogar and Deputy Speaker National Assembly Qasim Khan Suri were also present in the meeting.

The meeting also discussed party affairs, solutions to the problems facing the people, welfare and development issues.

While IK might be trolling, he is doing exactly what a leader would do, a leader who understands the importance of agriculture.

Farmers are the bedrock of an economy. Trump knew this too, UK gave up rights to EU, but will now fund farmers. Same in far east, China, same in Russia, same in Oz/NZ, same in SA etc.

But in India, Modi the fascit and terrorist leader is stripping guaranteed income from farmers.

Revolution in India here we come, and there is no pacifist Gandhi this time.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weird to see a photo of yourself burned by an extremist mob but imagine what they would do if we lived in India. I'll tell you—23 yo labor rights activist Nodeep Kaur was arrested, tortured & sexually assaulted in police custody. She's been detained without bail for over 20 days. <a href="https://t.co/Ypt2h1hWJz">pic.twitter.com/Ypt2h1hWJz</a></p>— Meena Harris (@meenaharris) <a href="https://twitter.com/meenaharris/status/1357769238954479616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This isn't just about agricultural policy. It's also about the persecution of a vocal religious minority. It's police violence, militant nationalism, and attacks on labor rights. It's global authoritarianism. Don't tell me to stay out of your affairs. These are all of our issues.</p>— Meena Harris (@meenaharris) <a href="https://twitter.com/meenaharris/status/1357772428982669312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


What the heck is wrong with Indian police, army, security forces. I get they have to detain people. Why do they always have to sexually assault, molest or rape women. I just don't get it.
This sh*t is like some Shakti Kapoor movie.

BTW, this woman is Kamala Harris's niece

 

[cricketjoshila]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weird to see a photo of yourself burned by an extremist mob but imagine what they would do if we lived in India. I'll tell you—23 yo labor rights activist Nodeep Kaur was arrested, tortured & sexually assaulted in police custody. She's been detained without bail for over 20 days. <a href="https://t.co/Ypt2h1hWJz">pic.twitter.com/Ypt2h1hWJz</a></p>— Meena Harris (@meenaharris) <a href="https://twitter.com/meenaharris/status/1357769238954479616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This isn't just about agricultural policy. It's also about the persecution of a vocal religious minority. It's police violence, militant nationalism, and attacks on labor rights. It's global authoritarianism. Don't tell me to stay out of your affairs. These are all of our issues.</p>— Meena Harris (@meenaharris) <a href="https://twitter.com/meenaharris/status/1357772428982669312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


What the heck is wrong with Indian police, army, security forces. I get they have to detain people. Why do they always have to sexually assault, molest or rape women. I just don't get it.
This sh*t is like some Shakti Kapoor movie.

BTW, this woman is Kamala Harris's niece

Kamala Harris's niece? So? Kya kare?

 

[Itachi]

So let me get this right, Since the farmers of the other states didn't stand to the protest, suddenly the agenda has been slowly changing to persecution of religious minority.... Not surprised though, as I've said earlier, there are key ingredients missing in this protest (notably the student unions) and rest of the farmers themselves as a result of which, this protest can't keep the momentum due to which change of agenda was coming.

 

[Bigboii]

" ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan has announced good news for the agricultural sector, saying that the largest agricultural package in the history of Pakistan for farmers will be rolled out soon, The News reported on Saturday. "

Bhai tu trolling kar Le phaile, Mazaak karle phaile.
What a nut case it seems his policy in governance is to teach "india" and not to govern Pak the country he was elected to serve..

Everything from minority issues to farmers issue he seems to suddenly remember those issues when india is going through a crisis of it's on

It's the governance of one upness not governance of Pakistan

 

[cricketjoshila]

So let me get this right, Since the farmers of the other states didn't stand to the protest, suddenly the agenda has been slowly changing to persecution of religious minority.... Not surprised though, as I've said earlier, there are key ingredients missing in this protest (notably the student unions) and rest of the farmers themselves as a result of which, this protest can't keep the momentum due to which change of agenda was coming.

Last 10 years India...

A Sikh Prime Minister ( Manmohan Singh)

A Sikh Army chief ( Gen Bikram Singh)

A Sikh Airforce chief ( ACM B S Dhanoa)

A Sikh chief justice of India ( Jagdish Singh Khehar )

Crying from abroad won't help !

 

[Bigboii]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weird to see a photo of yourself burned by an extremist mob but imagine what they would do if we lived in India. I'll tell you—23 yo labor rights activist Nodeep Kaur was arrested, tortured & sexually assaulted in police custody. She's been detained without bail for over 20 days. <a href="https://t.co/Ypt2h1hWJz">pic.twitter.com/Ypt2h1hWJz</a></p>— Meena Harris (@meenaharris) <a href="https://twitter.com/meenaharris/status/1357769238954479616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This isn't just about agricultural policy. It's also about the persecution of a vocal religious minority. It's police violence, militant nationalism, and attacks on labor rights. It's global authoritarianism. Don't tell me to stay out of your affairs. These are all of our issues.</p>— Meena Harris (@meenaharris) <a href="https://twitter.com/meenaharris/status/1357772428982669312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


What the heck is wrong with Indian police, army, security forces. I get they have to detain people. Why do they always have to sexually assault, molest or rape women. I just don't get it.
This sh*t is like some Shakti Kapoor movie.

BTW, this woman is Kamala Harris's niece

Honestly these people should also look at the role of WTO in this situation rather than going bezerk on a foreign gov
But deep and important solutions can't be expected from these people...

 

[cricketjoshila]

So let me get this right, Since the farmers of the other states didn't stand to the protest, suddenly the agenda has been slowly changing to persecution of religious minority.... Not surprised though, as I've said earlier, there are key ingredients missing in this protest (notably the student unions) and rest of the farmers themselves as a result of which, this protest can't keep the momentum due to which change of agenda was coming.

The global leftist propoganda is trying to emulate the same propoganda that they used against Trump. Problem is, Indians dont care about these leftist issues. Modi is far more popular, powerful and cleverer than Trump.

Leftists are going down, people are fed up of their pseudo politics.

 

[Bigboii]

^
Ofcourse he is powerful with 56 inches of chest mostly made up of man boobs )

 

[Colorblind Genius]

The global leftist propoganda is trying to emulate the same propoganda that they used against Trump. Problem is, Indians dont care about these leftist issues. Modi is far more popular, powerful and cleverer than Trump.

Leftists are going down, people are fed up of their pseudo politics.

haha ... There you go!
Putting Modi and Trump in the same breadth and calling Modi the winner, is the right thing you did there.

It simply pin points the reality in a truthful way, which is, there are A LOT more zealots in the Indian public supporting Modi than in the American public, supporting Trump.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I woke up to being trolled alongside Mia Khalifa, Greta Thunberg and Rihana. I need more coffee.</p>— Maria Abi-Habib (@Abihabib) <a href="https://twitter.com/Abihabib/status/1357739553671512065?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They must have found her tweet from 2019...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I thought I knew trolling and then ... there was India twitter. Good grief, even the jihadis of the Middle East were not this relentless when us reporters exposed ISIS atrocities.</p>— Maria Abi-Habib (@Abihabib) <a href="https://twitter.com/Abihabib/status/1102431045159407617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

Tens of thousands of protesting Indian farmers have blockaded highways across the country as the United Nations called on authorities and protesters to exercise “maximum restraint”.

The farmers held a three-hour “chakka jam”, or road blockade, on Saturday at about noon local time (06:30 GMT) across the nation except in the capital New Delhi and a couple of neighbouring states.

“Today, the support of the whole society is with farmers,” Yogendra Yadav, a political activist who is one of the leaders of the farmers’ movement, said on Twitter. “Victory is certain.”

On a highway near the capital, some farmers smoked hookah as songs played on a loudspeaker.

Farmers squatted on the road in the eastern state of Odisha and Karnataka in the south with flags and banners protesting against the laws, with some carrying placards urging the government not to treat them as enemies.

Authorities deployed thousands of security forces mainly outside India’s capital, where farmers have camped at three main sites for more than two months seeking a repeal of new agricultural laws. They say they will not leave until the government rolls back the laws it says are necessary to modernise Indian agriculture.

“The rights to peaceful assembly & expression should be protected both offline & online,” the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights said on Twitter late on Friday.

“It’s crucial to find equitable solutions with due respect to #HumanRights for all.”


Several rounds of talks between farmers and the government have failed to produce any breakthroughs. The farmers say the laws will leave them poorer and at the mercy of corporations.

Their action is a big challenge to Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

On Friday, agriculture minister Narendra Singh Tomar defended the laws in Parliament, dampening hopes of a quick settlement as he made no new offer to resume talks with the farmers.

The largely peaceful rally turned violent on January 26, India’s Republic Day, when a group of farmers driving tractors veered from the protest route and stormed the 17th-century Red Fort.

Hundreds of police officers were injured and a protester died. Many farmers were also hurt but officials have not given official numbers.

Farmer leaders condemned the violence but said they would not call off the protest.

Since then, authorities have heavily increased security at protest sites outside New Delhi’s border, adding iron spikes and steel barricades to stop the farmers from entering the capital.

Much-needed investment
While the protests were initiated by rice and wheat growers from northern India, particularly opposition-governed Punjab state, support has been growing across the country.

The issue has also caught international attention with celebrities such as pop star Rihanna and environment campaigner Greta Thunberg announcing their support for the farmers.

The United States has also urged India to resume talks with farmers.

Modi’s government has held multiple rounds of talks with farmer representatives but failed to resolve their differences.

The government says the reforms will bring much-needed investment to the farm sector, which accounts for nearly 15 percent of India’s $2.9 trillion economy and about half its workforce.

 

[Itachi]

haha ... There you go!
Putting Modi and Trump in the same breadth and calling Modi the winner, is the right thing you did there.

It simply pin points the reality in a truthful way, which is, there are A LOT more zealots in the Indian public supporting Modi than in the American public, supporting Trump.

If someone supports the pm and candidate of any party (rulling or opposition), I don't think there should be any issue. Democracy, the ideology promotes it anyway. Otherwise PTI supporters should be placed in the same category too.

Are you against democracy?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

If someone supports the pm and candidate of any party (rulling or opposition), I don't think there should be any issue. Democracy, the ideology promotes it anyway. Otherwise PTI supporters should be placed in the same category too.

Are you against democracy?

Absolutely not.
Matter of fact, India currently has a good democracy in place when we notice that religious fanatics are the ruling party in power, which simply means there are more zealots in the general public of India using their democratic right to support Modi. Isn't that what we are saying here?

 

[JaDed]

If someone supports the pm and candidate of any party (rulling or opposition), I don't think there should be any issue. Democracy, the ideology promotes it anyway. Otherwise PTI supporters should be placed in the same category too.

Are you against democracy?

The amount of mental gymnastics that you do when it comes to BJP and Modi and change tunes when it comes to Muslims,IK etc is pretty visible to everyone.

Just say it like it is... do you think Pragya Sadhvi or Yogi should even be part of BJP? If again you are going to hide behind the part of majority and their decisions, remember the same logic coming to religious governments across.

Ofcourse a couple of other posters do it as well.

 

[JaDed]

Tbh as a neutral, the flags looked the same to me apart from the yellow color and the Khalistan writing.

But will you be giving a lecture on Sikh history like he is?
Anyone claiming to know about Sikhs and lecture should also be able to differentiate.

 

[last_knight]

" ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan has announced good news for the agricultural sector, saying that the largest agricultural package in the history of Pakistan for farmers will be rolled out soon, The News reported on Saturday. "

Bhai tu trolling kar Le phaile, Mazaak karle phaile.
What a nut case it seems his policy in governance is to teach "india" and not to govern Pak the country he was elected to serve..

Everything from minority issues to farmers issue he seems to suddenly remember those issues when india is going through a crisis of it's on

It's the governance of one upness not governance of Pakistan

I intend not to relate it with this thread but in reality, Farmers in Pakistan are way more happy now. My family members have been farming for ages. Even before the IndianFarmers protest, Pakistani Farmers were praising the govt for improving dynamics of agriculture. This I say based upon my day to day contact with farmer friends and family. The current statement reflects the continuation of what has been done in Pakistan already, even before the #IndianFarmersProtests.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The amount of mental gymnastics that you do when it comes to BJP and Modi and change tunes when it comes to Muslims,IK etc is pretty visible to everyone.

Just say it like it is... do you think Pragya Sadhvi or Yogi should even be part of BJP? If again you are going to hide behind the part of majority and their decisions, remember the same logic coming to religious governments across.

Ofcourse a couple of other posters do it as well.

If lala lajpat rai (punjab hindu mahasabha) and madan mohan malviya (akhila bhartiya hindu mahasabha) can be part of congress, why cannot yogi ji be part of bjp?

 

[Itachi]

Absolutely not.
Matter of fact, India currently has a good democracy in place when we notice that religious fanatics are the ruling party in power, which simply means there are more zealots in the general public of India using their democratic right to support Modi. Isn't that what we are saying here?

Depends on frame of reference. If there was religious zealot, India would have been far unstable with third largest Muslim population in the world.

Since the results doesn't support that, we have to conclude that original assumption was wrong.

 

[Itachi]

The amount of mental gymnastics that you do when it comes to BJP and Modi and change tunes when it comes to Muslims,IK etc is pretty visible to everyone.

Just say it like it is... do you think Pragya Sadhvi or Yogi should even be part of BJP? If again you are going to hide behind the part of majority and their decisions, remember the same logic coming to religious governments across.

Ofcourse a couple of other posters do it as well.

If UP people wants them, who am I to say otherwise?

I don't believe other states should dictate who should be the CM or MP of Assam nor I should in case of other states. If majority people believe that one candidate, regardless of his/her political ideology can bring betterment to the system in their state, I don't think why anyone should force their views on those common mass and compel them to vote for else otherwise.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Depends on frame of reference. If there was religious zealot, India would have been far unstable with third largest Muslim population in the world.

Since the results doesn't support that, we have to conclude that original assumption was wrong.

third largest Muslim population but then also, the world's largest Hindu population, and from that Hindu population, zealots came to power through a democratic process.

Are you saying, there is anything wrong in it?

 

[Itachi]

third largest Muslim population but then also, the world's largest Hindu population, and from that Hindu population, zealots came to power through a democratic process.

Are you saying, there is anything wrong in it?

Nothing wrong with democracy.

People have the right to vote for whomever they want. Political ideology takes precedence than religion in case of India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

^
Ofcourse he is powerful with 56 inches of chest mostly made up of man boobs )

Well thing is that you like those celebs can post online, Modi actually has the power to win elections and rule.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The amount of mental gymnastics that you do when it comes to BJP and Modi and change tunes when it comes to Muslims,IK etc is pretty visible to everyone.

Just say it like it is... do you think Pragya Sadhvi or Yogi should even be part of BJP? If again you are going to hide behind the part of majority and their decisions, remember the same logic coming to religious governments across.

Ofcourse a couple of other posters do it as well.

Basically you have problems with the majority exercising their rights. For you they should be subservient to the minority and choose accordingly.

Religious government? FYI secularism doesn't mean the person standing for public office cant practice his religion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

third largest Muslim population but then also, the world's largest Hindu population, and from that Hindu population, zealots came to power through a democratic process.

Are you saying, there is anything wrong in it?

Your problem is that hindus are in power. I understand how it may feel that how can hindus be in power in a country of so many muslims. Hindus have no right to be in power.

Thank god my grandparents left muslim majority East Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Depends on frame of reference. If there was religious zealot, India would have been far unstable with third largest Muslim population in the world.

Since the results doesn't support that, we have to conclude that original assumption was wrong.

As you see, the problem is how can hindus have a right, have power or have a voice.

Thats the problem. Hindus.

These people forget that there exists in this world muslim,christian, Buddhist and jewish religious government and countries.

 

[JaDed]

Basically you have problems with the majority exercising their rights. For you they should be subservient to the minority and choose accordingly.

Religious government? FYI secularism doesn't mean the person standing for public office cant practice his religion.

I do but credit to you as you have always sided
with majority in any country (fascist, discriminative or not).

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Your problem is that hindus are in power. I understand how it may feel that how can hindus be in power in a country of so many muslims. Hindus have no right to be in power.

Thank god my grandparents left muslim majority East Pakistan.

As you see, the problem is how can hindus have a right, have power or have a voice.

Thats the problem. Hindus.

These people forget that there exists in this world muslim,christian, Buddhist and jewish religious government and countries.

lol haha
We've got our own Arnab Goswamis on PP.

It's like one says, all cats are animals but all animals are not cats.

Lets not sweep it under the rug.

FANATIC Hindus are in Power because the within the general Hindu population there are more zealots, and hence a good democracy in place in India.

What's wrong in that?

 

[JaDed]

If UP people wants them, who am I to say otherwise?

I don't believe other states should dictate who should be the CM or MP of Assam nor I should in case of other states. If majority people believe that one candidate, regardless of his/her political ideology can bring betterment to the system in their state, I don't think why anyone should force their views on those common mass and compel them to vote for else otherwise.

Well hopefully the same opinion goes out throughout all threads

 

[Greenstorm]

As you see, the problem is how can hindus have a right, have power or have a voice.

Thats the problem. Hindus.

These people forget that there exists in this world muslim,christian, Buddhist and jewish religious government and countries.

I agree, India should become hindu/hindutva (don't know the right word) republic. Don't know why Indians (Hindus) don't demand for this.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Your problem is that hindus are in power. I understand how it may feel that how can hindus be in power in a country of so many muslims. Hindus have no right to be in power.

Thank god my grandparents left muslim majority East Pakistan.

Seriously, what an irony?

Can we also say, Hindus are NOT in power when we look at the congress party?

Or perhaps they are not Hindus as per your definition, cuz they are not fanatic enough?

 

[srh]

Just read that an actress who supported the Indian farmers is now getting rape threats Do these guys have no intelligence left? looks complete duffers

 

[JimmyGetsBuckets]

Just read that an actress who supported the Indian farmers is now getting rape threats Do these guys have no intelligence left? looks complete duffers

is there a reason why they are so sensitive?

 

[Bigboii]

is there a reason why they are so sensitive?

Most Indian posters here get mad at jokes here except for some
Take a cue it's the whole culture...

 

[JimmyGetsBuckets]

Most Indian posters here get mad at jokes here except for some
Take a cue it's the whole culture...

You rarely see Pakistanis go on indian websites to defend Imran Khan or Nawaz Sharif. I dont understand it tbh I wonder what caused it?

 

[PakLFC]

Sikhs are not important in any country politics because of minority population. I doubt the Indian government will care about Sikh Farmer opinion.

They are very important in India for a few reasons. Firstly Sikh's form the backbone of the Indian military and secondly Punjab is the most crucial state of the Indian breadbasket. Although overall they may be a small community nonetheless some 20 million people in India can cause a lot of damage. They also have a strong diaspora in the west.

 

[MP2011]

Most Indian posters here get mad at jokes here except for some
Take a cue it's the whole culture...

It's not the whole culture! There are some fanatic elements who deify someone and hence defend anything and everything done by their deity. I agree, those elements are at their all time high number during last 6.5 years.

But I can assure you that there are lot of saner voices still left in India, or else we might have disintegrated a while back if those disruptive elements merrily made their way.

 

[MP2011]

You rarely see Pakistanis go on indian websites to defend Imran Khan or Nawaz Sharif. I dont understand it tbh I wonder what caused it?

I wonder why should anyone, yes anyone should feel the need to defend their government?

 

[Bigboii]

It's not the whole culture! There are some fanatic elements who deify someone and hence defend anything and everything done by their deity. I agree, those elements are at their all time high number during last 6.5 years.

But I can assure you that there are lot of saner voices still left in India, or else we might have disintegrated a while back if those disruptive elements merrily made their way.

I don't know maybe it's biases but for some reasons I find Pakistanis to be jovial while indians (atleast abroad) are more reserved

I take it as snoty behavior maybe the whole culture of art seems a bit of admittedly but on this forum and the indians abroad that I have met I think they're not the most "fun" people to hang out with and by fun not the life of the party types just the kind of guys who are reserved/snooty or they seem that way to me

But international students from Pakistan are not that reserved like joking around

Maybe it's just my biases but me taking of my green glasses I still feel that way

 

[CricketCartoons]

I don't know maybe it's biases but for some reasons I find Pakistanis to be jovial while indians (atleast abroad) are more reserved

I take it as snoty behavior maybe the whole culture of art seems a bit of admittedly but on this forum and the indians abroad that I have met I think they're not the most "fun" people to hang out with and by fun not the life of the party types just the kind of guys who are reserved/snooty or they seem that way to me

But international students from Pakistan are not that reserved like joking around

Maybe it's just my biases but me taking of my green glasses I still feel that way

tone deaf comment. Oppressed and wounded people need closure before you can expect them to be jovial and fun loving. The hate you see coming from us is our reciprocation of what we got from this world.

 

[Itachi]

I don't know maybe it's biases but for some reasons I find Pakistanis to be jovial while indians (atleast abroad) are more reserved

I take it as snoty behavior maybe the whole culture of art seems a bit of admittedly but on this forum and the indians abroad that I have met I think they're not the most "fun" people to hang out with and by fun not the life of the party types just the kind of guys who are reserved/snooty or they seem that way to me

But international students from Pakistan are not that reserved like joking around

Maybe it's just my biases but me taking of my green glasses I still feel that way

I haven't met adults from different countries to make a good sample size but in case of students, I do agree that we Indians are not THAT fun. The Arabs were actually the most fun people. They are of so much surprise that if you are with them, you may never know what's coming (good or bad).

In my case, it goes to the financial situation in my opinion. Most Indian students were from middle class and the cost of tuition was high for us. So there was an automatic pressure of fear of failing. And this fear does indeed makes a person reserved even when he or she shouldn't be. I wonder if this fear goes unchanged for adulthood also as it becomes a psychological factor and adults passes it to their children also.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I don't know maybe it's biases but for some reasons I find Pakistanis to be jovial while indians (atleast abroad) are more reserved

I take it as snoty behavior maybe the whole culture of art seems a bit of admittedly but on this forum and the indians abroad that I have met I think they're not the most "fun" people to hang out with and by fun not the life of the party types just the kind of guys who are reserved/snooty or they seem that way to me

But international students from Pakistan are not that reserved like joking around

Maybe it's just my biases but me taking of my green glasses I still feel that way

I play cricket with tons of Indians.
Matter of fact, before Covid, I was the only Pakistani American playing in an all Indian team. All were Hindus. Mostly from the south.
Some are really good family friends. Our kids play together.

However, most of them single ones I notice are sort of shallow. The fun part in their lives seems to be mostly about drinking heavily over the weekend. They do come sober at work but alcohol is their major fun, and second is perhaps cricket. And that's about it.

 

[Itachi]

I play cricket with tons of Indians.
Matter of fact, before Covid, I was the only Pakistani American playing in an all Indian team. All were Hindus. Mostly from the south.
Some are really good family friends. Our kids play together.

However, most of them single ones I notice are sort of shallow. The fun part in their lives seems to be mostly about drinking heavily over the weekend. They do come sober at work but alcohol is their major fun, and second is perhaps cricket. And that's about it.

There's a big difference between NRI and resident Indians. In my experience, NRI has an usual issue as with any other expats.... Identity crisis. When you leave your nation and try to accommodated in another countries, if you can't handle transition well, then you will have this issue creep up.

It is most notable in case of brit pak. From their thoughts, it is often I feel that they kind of stuck between the two places and confused about where they stand. Especially the second generation onwards.

American pakistanis don't show that though. I wonder why.

 

[Bigboii]

There's a big difference between NRI and resident Indians. In my experience, NRI has an usual issue as with any other expats.... Identity crisis. When you leave your nation and try to accommodated in another countries, if you can't handle transition well, then you will have this issue creep up.

It is most notable in case of brit pak. From their thoughts, it is often I feel that they kind of stuck between the two places and confused about where they stand. Especially the second generation onwards.

American pakistanis don't show that though. I wonder why.

They focus too much on the American identity
British pakistanis focus too much on the Pakistani identity

Canadian-Pakistanis are the perfect mix they're a powerful minority group, not fully assimilated but assimilated enough to not look like outsiders

 

[cricketjoshila]

Seriously, what an irony?

Can we also say, Hindus are NOT in power when we look at the congress party?

Or perhaps they are not Hindus as per your definition, cuz they are not fanatic enough?

Feroze Jahangir Gandhi, a parsi is the father of Rajiv Gandhi and husband of Indira Gandhi. So everyone from that family post Nehru isn't a hindu. Not by my definition, but by any definition.

 

[Slog]

Feroze Jahangir Gandhi, a parsi is the father of Rajiv Gandhi and husband of Indira Gandhi. So everyone from that family post Nehru isn't a hindu. Not by my definition, but by any definition.

But I thought he identifies as hindu Brahmin.

I’m curious. Couple of questions

1) can you not convert to Hinduism?
2) is Hinduism only through male bloodline? Indira Gandhi was hindu but her children can’t be since husband not hindu?

 

[CricketCartoons]

But I thought he identifies as hindu Brahmin.

I’m curious. Couple of questions

1) can you not convert to Hinduism?
2) is Hinduism only through male bloodline? Indira Gandhi was hindu but her children can’t be since husband not hindu?

Joshila bhai is still free to answer, but I will like to budge in.

1. No, you only revert to Hinduism, as it is the Eternal, Immutable and Universal Religion.
2. Hinduism has nothing to do with bloodline. Even if your both parents are muslim, one can become a hindu. Let me know if you know anyone who is thinking of coming to the fold of hinduism but doesn't know how to go about it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But I thought he identifies as hindu Brahmin.

I’m curious. Couple of questions

1) can you not convert to Hinduism?
2) is Hinduism only through male bloodline? Indira Gandhi was hindu but her children can’t be since husband not hindu?

1. Have they converted to Hinduism? Haven't heard of such a thing happening.

2. Dont people inherit their father's surname and lineage every where, except a few exceptions?

 

[Itachi]

But I thought he identifies as hindu Brahmin.

I’m curious. Couple of questions

1) can you not convert to Hinduism?
2) is Hinduism only through male bloodline? Indira Gandhi was hindu but her children can’t be since husband not hindu?

Its difficult to answer about Hinduism because it is more of a guidelines than a religion. For example, if we want to see from religion perspective, hindus have multiple deities but there are branch where it is monotheism and worshipping idol is a great sin (kinda like abrahamic religion).

There's no "conversion" process since in ancient India, all tribe religion were together in unity called as Hinduism though that doesn't mean those branches are exactly alike. You are free to worship the way you want.

Secondly, Since it is a patriarchal society, the children generally bears the religion of the father. But that's by default due to structure of the society and has no relationship with the lineage of the religion itself.

Abrahamic religions are more structured and hence strict requirements/guidelines unlike Hinduism where the rules actually varies depending upon which stream you are following.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its difficult to answer about Hinduism because it is more of a guidelines than a religion. For example, if we want to see from religion perspective, hindus have multiple deities but there are branch where it is monotheism and worshipping idol is a great sin (kinda like abrahamic religion).

There's no "conversion" process since in ancient India, all tribe religion were together in unity called as Hinduism though that doesn't mean those branches are exactly alike. You are free to worship the way you want.

Secondly, Since it is a patriarchal society, the children generally bears the religion of the father. But that's by default due to structure of the society and has no relationship with the lineage of the religion itself.

Abrahamic religions are more structured and hence strict requirements/guidelines unlike Hinduism where the rules actually varies depending upon which stream you are following.

You are wrong.

In sanatan dharma, children inherit the gotra of the father, the mother during the marriage ritual enters her husband's gotra through a ritual.

Secondly in no hindu sect idol worship is a sin. The nirgun upasaks dont consider the sagun upasaks as sinners.

 

[Itachi]

You are wrong.

In sanatan dharma, children inherit the gotra of the father, the mother during the marriage ritual enters her husband's gotra through a ritual.

Secondly in no hindu sect idol worship is a sin. The nirgun upasaks dont consider the sagun upasaks as sinners.

1. Gotra is different than religion. Its simply a lineage but that doesn't mean children "inherits" the religion itself.

2. Vaishanavis, Shankaris case, idol worship is a sin. They don't attend puja and don't even attend funerals if the family does idol worship.

 

[IAJ]

Maybe off-topic, but since so many people are gathered at one place, are there noe fears for Covid-19 spreading rapidly?

 

[shaz619]

What is the gist of the matter can someone summarise this briefly [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION]

 

[cricketjoshila]

1. Gotra is different than religion. Its simply a lineage but that doesn't mean children "inherits" the religion itself.

2. Vaishanavis, Shankaris case, idol worship is a sin. They don't attend puja and don't even attend funerals if the family does idol worship.

1. Lol. You inherit your father's lineage and religion. Are you saying gotra is used in another religion?

2. Its not a sin. I am a Gaudiya Vaishnav. Vaishnavism means worship of vishnu and his forms. Its recommended that if we take certain vows and certain rituals of the sect, we dont go to temples of non vishnu deities. Before you teach me Vaishnavism,let me tell you that we were initiated into the sect by sri Chaitanya himself.

 

[Itachi]

1. Lol. You inherit your father's lineage and religion. Are you saying gotra is used in another religion?

2. Its not a sin. I am a Gaudiya Vaishnav. Vaishnavism means worship of vishnu and his forms. Its recommended that if we take certain vows and certain rituals of the sect, we dont go to temples of non vishnu deities. Before you teach me Vaishnavism,let me tell you that we were initiated into the sect by sri Chaitanya himself.

1. Gotra was attributed to people from other local unorganized religion while bringing them under the umbrella of Hinduism or they have merged into it. But that doesn't mean the religion itself was the starting point. The lineage takes more precedence.

2. There are different prophets who have spread vaishnavism in different parts of India in different times. Especially in north east India, we have sects where idol worship is strictly prohibited. Vaishnavism doesn't have a uniform rulling in the first place.

 

[Romali_rotti]

But I can assure you that there are lot of saner voices still left in India, or else we might have disintegrated a while back if those disruptive elements merrily made their way.

Yes there are saner voices still left in India, like your Raul Puppu and my ammayi Sonya. Thanks to them, Modichayan will keep ruling the roost, thank god for the Puppu and Italian Sonya..