Indian Freedom Fighter and First Education Minister: Abul Kalam Statue Demolished

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Yet another incident of statue vandalism came to limelight from West Bengal, whch has been witnessing a series of communal riots over the past few days. It was reported that the Hindutva mobs which have been on a rampage since the Ram Navami processions destroyed a statue of India’s first education minister, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad. Azad was a stalwart of the freedom struggle and a leading light of the Congress party.

The incident was first reported when images and videos of a mob bringing down his statue in Kankinara in North 24 Parganas district West Bengal were shared on Twitter.

One person, Maqsood Khan, was killed in the violence. “My husband heard about the tension in the area and went out to bring back our six-year-old daughter, who had gone out to buy chocolate. He didn’t come back. Somebody fired at him and he collapsed on the road. Some people rushed him to the police station, and then to hospital, where the doctors declared him dead,” Khan’s wife, Gulabsa Begum told the Indian Express.

“There was firing and Maqsood was hit by a bullet on his chest. I had a narrow escape, with a bullet injury on my leg,” Ashraf Ali, a resident of the area, added.

West Bengal has been in the grip of communal riots which received a fillip after aggressive Ram Navami marches were carried out by Hindutva groups. At least five districts, including Burdwan, North 24 Parganas, Purulia, Midnapore, and Murshidabad, saw such religious processions – one of which (Midnapore) was led by the BJP state president Dilip Ghosh – which degenerated into a communal riot.

It was reported that the groups entered Muslim localities without police permission to deliberately inflame residents. Similar incidents were reported during Durga Puja and other Hindu festivals in 2017 and the year before.

https://thewire.in/communalism/in-west-bengal-two-contrasting-voices-of-violence-and-peace

 

[srh]

Hindu extremists want to break India.

 

[troodon]

Shameful.

Where are the protests over the lack of health, education, jobs, security.......?

Ban the processions before it is too late. These processions are nothing but an invite to riot by Unruly mobs and thugs.

 

[DeadBall]

Desis doing desi things.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Riots is my hometown where I grew up. Waste Bengal.

 

[Yossarian]

Extremism is on the rise, whether it be amongst Muslims in Muslim majority countries, amongst Hindus in India, Buddhists in Burma, Evangelists and Trump supporters in the States, and right wing groups in Europe. The 'mainstream' political parties in these countries then also feel the need to veer to the right to try and stem the flow of their supporters towards the extremist right-wingers.

Question to the Indian PPers:
Do you think the rise of the Hindutva groups is just a temporary phenomena, or, like the jihadist groups in Muslim countries, it is here to stay and grow, and has the potential to cause massive turmoil in India considering that, despite being a minority and the primary targets of these Hindutva groups, the muslims still number almost 200 million?

 

[www787]

Impact of electing politician who run their campaign on religious sentiments. Some how extremist religious constituents believe that after getting their candidate elected it gives them freedom to discriminate and be openly racist. Two of the biggest democracy are perfect examples, US and India.

Neither of the elected official will condemn it due to fear of alienating religious extremist constituents.

 

[DeadBall]

Impact of electing politician who run their campaign on religious sentiments. Some how extremist religious constituents believe that after getting their candidate elected it gives them freedom to discriminate and be openly racist. Two of the biggest democracy are perfect examples, US and India.

Neither of the elected official will condemn it due to fear of alienating religious extremist constituents.

What about Pakistan? The officials may have not have been elected for the highest office (Yet) but they do have a large following and can paralyze the nations capital for weeks on demand.

 

[www787]

What about Pakistan? The officials may have not have been elected for the highest office (Yet) but they do have a large following and can paralyze the nations capital for weeks on demand.

Let’s not pretend that you don’t know what caused the ride of extremism in Pakistan in 70’s.

 

[DeadBall]

Let’s not pretend that you don’t know what caused the ride of extremism in Pakistan in 70’s.

Not talking about the cause (past or present) but the effect as you pointed out in your post regarding other nations.

 

[GBK_Fan]

Extremism is on the rise, whether it be amongst Muslims in Muslim majority countries, amongst Hindus in India, Buddhists in Burma, Evangelists and Trump supporters in the States, and right wing groups in Europe. The 'mainstream' political parties in these countries then also feel the need to veer to the right to try and stem the flow of their supporters towards the extremist right-wingers.

Question to the Indian PPers:
Do you think the rise of the Hindutva groups is just a temporary phenomena, or, like the jihadist groups in Muslim countries, it is here to stay and grow, and has the potential to cause massive turmoil in India considering that, despite being a minority and the primary targets of these Hindutva groups, the muslims still number almost 200 million?

It's not going to go down. I expect it to get reliably worse for the next decade. The problem in Indian politics is that there is no reliable secular alternative. The secular parties play communal votebank politics which plays into the hands of the Hindu hardliners.

For example from the same riot, this is the other news story which is being neglected by the non-Hindutva parties
http://m.abplive.in/india-news/asan...ng-after-the-clashes-during-ram-navami-675537

 

[www787]

Not talking about the cause (past or present) but the effect as you pointed out in your post regarding other nations.

Depend who you speak to.
Effects are for everyone to see, Pakistan had to go to war within its territory.

India probably will not suffer as much as Pakistan if India will continue to give extremist breathing space but it will face consequences. When people in subcontinent get comfortable it gets really difficult to bring about the change compare to western nations.

 

[akki]

West bengal is due for very big riot for sure. Whole demographics of west bengal,assam has been changed in recent times.ANd there is some dangerous politics going on there by anti bjp parties

 

[DeadBall]

Depend who you speak to.
Effects are for everyone to see, Pakistan had to go to war within its territory.

India probably will not suffer as much as Pakistan if India will continue to give extremist breathing space but it will face consequences. When people in subcontinent get comfortable it gets really difficult to bring about the change compare to western nations.

What? Your post makes no sense whatsoever. Most of the extremist activity regarding India are on a national level, but extremists from Pakistan cause mayhem in Pakistan and abroad.

Also you totally ignored my point about you bringing up the cause of the rise of extremism in Pakistan in the 70s for no reason whatsoever.

 

[www787]

What? Your post makes no sense whatsoever. Most of the extremist activity regarding India are on a national level, but extremists from Pakistan cause mayhem in Pakistan and abroad.

Also you totally ignored my point about you bringing up the cause of the rise of extremism in Pakistan in the 70s for no reason whatsoever.

Talking about India here? Right.

My initial comment was about India pertaining to at national level. I understand for some it’s hard to digest that India currently has rise of nationalist religious extremism.

Won’t be responding to you if you want to detailed the thread.

 

[DeadBall]

Talking about India here? Right.

My initial comment was about India pertaining to at national level. I understand for some it’s hard to digest that India currently has rise of nationalist religious extremism.

Won’t be responding to you if you want to detailed the thread.

You are the one who gave the examples of India and the US acting on religious sentiments but when asked the same of Pakistan you brought in some obscure reference from the 70s. I don't really care what India or the US does but this whole juvenile blame game of "but but they are worse than us" reeks of hypocrisy.

 

[www787]

You are the one who gave the examples of India and the US acting on religious sentiments but when asked the same of Pakistan you brought in some obscure reference from the 70s. I don't really care what India or the US does but this whole juvenile blame game of "but but they are worse than us" reeks of hypocrisy.

Brother, when did I say they are worse than anyone else or vice versa?

this is what i said in my initial comment

'Impact of electing politician who run their campaign on religious sentiments. Some how extremist religious constituents believe that after getting their candidate elected it gives them freedom to discriminate and be openly racist. Two of the biggest democracy are perfect examples, US and India.

Neither of the elected official will condemn it due to fear of alienating religious extremist constituents.'

Now tell me where did I try to compare or said Pakistan is better than Indian?

It is you who brought Pakistan into it.

This thread is about India treatment of minority at national level.

Next time i suggest you to take off your saffron tinted glasses and read it slowly.

 

[WildSwing]

Extremism is on the rise, whether it be amongst Muslims in Muslim majority countries, amongst Hindus in India, Buddhists in Burma, Evangelists and Trump supporters in the States, and right wing groups in Europe. The 'mainstream' political parties in these countries then also feel the need to veer to the right to try and stem the flow of their supporters towards the extremist right-wingers.

Question to the Indian PPers:
Do you think the rise of the Hindutva groups is just a temporary phenomena, or, like the jihadist groups in Muslim countries, it is here to stay and grow, and has the potential to cause massive turmoil in India considering that, despite being a minority and the primary targets of these Hindutva groups, the muslims still number almost 200 million?

There is no comparison between hindutva chaddi idiots vs jihadist groups in muslim countries. Sure these hindutva idiots have found a new voice under the present government but their nuisance is limited to small crimes, they aren't anywhere near the problem created by jihadist groups world over, I find it very disingenuous when people try to equate these two groups.

 

[www787]

There is no comparison between hindutva chaddi idiots vs jihadist groups in muslim countries. Sure these hindutva idiots have found a new voice under the present government but their nuisance is limited to small crimes, they aren't anywhere near the problem created by jihadist groups world over, I find it very disingenuous when people try to equate these two groups.

You missed the point of culprit aren’t stop now it will only increase at the National level. And I personally believe those who were elected on this rhetoric will not condemn neither will put forward a plan to stop it due to fear of losing voter bank.

I don’t understand why some Indians are getting bent out of shape for pointing out the obvious. I’m sure majority of them wouldn’t want this happening in India unless they believe they are superior than minority.

 

[Bhaijaan]

India is now under complete control of Hindu extremists. I live in Delhi and every Friday and Tuesday in our society parks the RSS organizes camps in which they openly discuss their plans to eradicate Muslims completely from India and keep them under their foot. The chaiwala has destroyed this country.

 

[TM Riddle]

India is now under complete control of Hindu extremists. I live in Delhi and every Friday and Tuesday in our society parks the RSS organizes camps in which they openly discuss their plans to eradicate Muslims completely from India and keep them under their foot. The chaiwala has destroyed this country.

RSS has been organising Shakhas in Parks for decades and although they are known for their usual Hindutva bakwas, you would never see them spreading anti Muslim sentiments so openly as you seem to suggest here. I have been to Shakhas a lot during school and college and while they are nothing but a bunch of morons we never witnessed any anti Muslim hatred openly.

 

[Bhaijaan]

RSS has been organising Shakhas in Parks for decades and although they are known for their usual Hindutva bakwas, you would never see them spreading anti Muslim sentiments so openly as you seem to suggest here. I have been to Shakhas a lot during school and college and while they are nothing but a bunch of morons we never witnessed any anti Muslim hatred openly.

Stop spreading ignorance.

India's growing in tolerance and rise of Hindu fascism is no secret any more.

In Delhi, anti Muslim RSS shakha get together are a regular sight since last few years.

Have you even heard the songs they openly sing in parks these days?

 

[TM Riddle]

Stop spreading ignorance.

India's growing in tolerance and rise of Hindu fascism is no secret any more.

In Delhi, anti Muslim RSS shakha get together are a regular sight since last few years.

Have you even heard the songs they openly sing in parks these days?

I live in Delhi too. Tell me the exact location of Park and I will visit it next week to check if you are really telling the truth.
Go on.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I live in Delhi too. Tell me the exact location of Park and I will visit it next week to check if you are really telling the truth.
Go on.

Lets target your bigger delusion first. That anti Muslim rhetoric isn't an open thing in India. I'm gonna start a thread by next week to put it out there in public.

India is dealing with serious Hindu extremism mostly targeted at Muslims. The sooner they act in it the better. We are now officially beyond the point of sweeping it under the carpet.

 

[TM Riddle]

Lets target your bigger delusion first. That anti Muslim rhetoric isn't an open thing in India. I'm gonna start a thread by next week to put it out there in public.

India is dealing with serious Hindu extremism mostly targeted at Muslims. The sooner they act in it the better. We are now officially beyond the point of sweeping it under the carpet.

Stop beating around the bush and stick to the topic which was your claim of RSS Shakhas openly espousing anti Muslim views. Answer me where exactly is this Park in Delhi? Go ahead

 

[Yossarian]

There is no comparison between hindutva chaddi idiots vs jihadist groups in muslim countries. Sure these hindutva idiots have found a new voice under the present government but their nuisance is limited to small crimes, they aren't anywhere near the problem created by jihadist groups world over, I find it very disingenuous when people try to equate these two groups.

First of all the question was about potential turmoil within India, and not about on the international stage. Secondly, the post asked if it was just a temporary phenomena or is it here to stay and grow. In other words, the post is not saying it's on a large scale or not, but rather does it have the potential to be so. I find it very disingenuous that some, but not all, Indian posters are unable to see things objectively and take a post at face value, but instead feel that India is being attacked and they must defend it by trying to downplay each and every incidence even if and when it's reported by the Indian media (as in the OP) and others (like my post) ask genuine questions around the topic. You really must learn to shed this siege mentality and read others posts with an open mind.

 

[WildSwing]

First of all the question was about potential turmoil within India, and not about on the international stage.

There is no turmoil or potential turmoil within India.

Secondly, the post asked if it was just a temporary phenomena or is it here to stay and grow. In other words, the post is not saying it's on a large scale or not, but rather does it have the potential to be so.

I already answered this by saying there is no comparison between two groups, meaning this phenomena isn't going to go large scale like the muslim jihadist groups

I find it very disingenuous that some, but not all, Indian posters are unable to see things objectively and take a post at face value, but instead feel that India is being attacked and they must defend it by trying to downplay each and every incidence even if and when it's reported by the Indian media (as in the OP) and others (like my post) ask genuine questions around the topic. You really must learn to shed this siege mentality and read others posts with an open mind.

Yes, forgive me if I can't view posts from pakistani posters commenting on Indian issues with an unbiased and totally objective view, may be your questions were genuine or in the right spirit but I can't really believe that when you mention jihadi groups in the same vein as hindutva groups. I do believe there was slight mischief on your part when you asked that question

 

[LastManstanding]

I live in Delhi too. Tell me the exact location of Park and I will visit it next week to check if you are really telling the truth.
Go on.

Came to prepare for civil service exams?

 

[TM Riddle]

Came to prepare for civil service exams?

That's what my parents think. If only they knew about the time I waste posting on forums

 

[www787]

Question to all Indians who are trying to defend current rise in Violence against minority, particularly Muslims.

Since Modi has become PM of India, is there a rise in violence against minority (muslims)?

If there is then who is at fault? what has changed since he has become PM? And, why isn't the PM of India condemning it and distancing himself from radical religious groups?

 

[LastManstanding]

That's what my parents think. If only they knew about the time I waste posting on forums

You should watch Ravish ki report latesr episode for motivation.

 

[TM Riddle]

You should watch Ravish ki report latesr episode for motivation.

) I did.
Thankfully Karol Bagh ain't the same type of mess as Mukharji Nagar seem to have become now a days.

 

[LastManstanding]

) I did.
Thankfully Karol Bagh ain't the same type of mess as Mukharji Nagar seem to have become now a days.

Btw which services are you interested in? One of my friend got into IRS and IAS but still gave another attempt to get into IPS.

 

[TM Riddle]

Btw which services are you interested in? One of my friend got into IRS and IAS but still gave another attempt to get into IPS.

Foreign Service if everything goes right.
If not then IPS.

 

[Yossarian]

There is no turmoil or potential turmoil within India.

You obviously have not read the OP. Here, let me re-post a section of it for you to read.

West Bengal has been in the grip of communal riots which received a fillip after aggressive Ram Navami marches were carried out by Hindutva groups. At least five districts, including Burdwan, North 24 Parganas, Purulia, Midnapore, and Murshidabad, saw such religious processions – one of which (Midnapore) was led by the BJP state president Dilip Ghosh – which degenerated into a communal riot.

It was reported that the groups entered Muslim localities without police permission to deliberately inflame residents. Similar incidents were reported during Durga Puja and other Hindu festivals in 2017 and the year before.

I already answered this by saying there is no comparison between two groups, meaning this phenomena isn't going to go large scale like the muslim jihadist groups.

So you admit there is a phenomena, whether large or not, as mentioned in my post. And now you're answering the question I originally asked, and that's fine. That was the purpose of my original post.

Yes, forgive me if I can't view posts from pakistani posters commenting on Indian issues with an unbiased and totally objective view, may be your questions were genuine or in the right spirit but I can't really believe that when you mention jihadi groups in the same vein as hindutva groups. I do believe there was slight mischief on your part when you asked that question

So says an Indian poster posting on a primarily Pakistani forum.
Incidentally, I am a UK, not Pakistani, citizen living in the UK. If you cared to look at my posting history, you'd have noticed that I almost never post on Pakistani internal politics. And yes, religious nutcases killing innocents the world over all fall in the same bracket. Including jihadists and hindutva types killing innocents (read the OP). They are murderers whether they kill and terrorise one or a thousand innocents.

 

[jeetu]

Question to all Indians who are trying to defend current rise in Violence against minority, particularly Muslims.

Since Modi has become PM of India, is there a rise in violence against minority (muslims)?

If there is then who is at fault? what has changed since he has become PM? And, why isn't the PM of India condemning it and distancing himself from radical religious groups?

Hindutva group is getting stronger for the time being and they are responsible for this fundamentalist outlook. However this can go away in next election provided BJP lose. One factor people here doesn't realize that major factor behind Modi winning was promise of economic development not religious fundamentalism.

In Delhi after BJP won the Lok Sabha election in all seats. They were wiped out in Delhi in years time because Kejriwal offered more promise than Modi. That the way way Indian democracy works.

I wish Modi could do more to curb this thing. But it will be a lose lose situation for him. So he is keeping his distance.

Political parties and their politicians have been using religious incidents to gain power in subcontinent for a long time.
3 most famous example.
M.A.Jinnah in 1940's
Rajiv Gandhi in 1980's
Modi in 2000's.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hindutva group is getting stronger for the time being and they are responsible for this fundamentalist outlook. However this can go away in next election provided BJP lose. One factor people here doesn't realize that major factor behind Modi winning was promise of economic development not religious fundamentalism.

In Delhi after BJP won the Lok Sabha election in all seats. They were wiped out in Delhi in years time because Kejriwal offered more promise than Modi. That the way way Indian democracy works.

I wish Modi could do more to curb this thing. But it will be a lose lose situation for him. So he is keeping his distance.

Political parties and their politicians have been using religious incidents to gain power in subcontinent for a long time.
3 most famous example.
M.A.Jinnah in 1940's
Rajiv Gandhi in 1980's
Modi in 2000's.

One of the major planks of Modo govt was that there would be no minority appeasement that was started by Rajiv Gandhi in 80s.

Congress and other govts have been losing to bjp because majority of hindus are fed up with corruption,inefficiency and minority appeasement. Congress is trying its best to get some traction among hindus or atleast divide hindu votes. Rajiv Gandhi's minority politics which others copied to win elections has now backfired. They should have stuck to what congress did before. They opened a gate for bjp to corner hindu votes, and now except Yadavs and may be some dalits the hindu votes have consolidated for bjp.


Kejriwal won because people saw him as a neutral option. He got votes across the religious lines.

The reason why they havent dented Odisha because Navin Patanaik runs a efficient neutral and secular govt.

Its foolishness to assume that the politics of Azam Khan in UP or the Azad Maidan riots in Maharashtra didnot affect the poll outcome there.There are many such examples.

The reason bjp is growing in bengal rapidly is because the govt is inefficient corrupt and engaged in blatant minority appeasement. Even the calcutta HC had said the same in its judgements.

Parties will now have to look at returning to pre rajiv gandhi politics. Else Bjp will keep consolidating.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Stop beating around the bush and stick to the topic which was your claim of RSS Shakhas openly espousing anti Muslim views. Answer me where exactly is this Park in Delhi? Go ahead

Come on FC give him the name of the park. Why raise such a point if you aren’t willing to back it up?

As for the incident in the OP, disgraceful and well I was going to say shocking but sadly such incidents are no longer shocking because they happen more often than they should.

 

[akki]

Stop spreading ignorance.

India's growing in tolerance and rise of Hindu fascism is no secret any more.

In Delhi, anti Muslim RSS shakha get together are a regular sight since last few years.

Have you even heard the songs they openly sing in parks these days?

I also doing job in delhi. I would love to visit those parks. Where are they ????? Name of the parks. We can go together as well if you dnt mind.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Come on FC give him the name of the park. Why raise such a point if you aren’t willing to back it up?

As for the incident in the OP, disgraceful and well I was going to say shocking but sadly such incidents are no longer shocking because they happen more often than they should.

Because it is a trivial query. There are over 400 RSS Shakhas in Delhi and they hold gatherings in community parks on regular basis. It's not a new thing. Go figure out for yourselves. There is no one park in particular. I have personally spotted them in Saket and Dwarka more than 2 occasions openly singing anti muslim songs.

Are we going to defend RSS and its hate mongering now?

Are we going to say that RSS/BJP does not spread hatred against muslims?

If that is the case i would gladly like to address this delusion of posters around here in a new thread if [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] allows.

 

[Yossarian]

There is no turmoil or potential turmoil within India.

As for the incident in the OP, disgraceful and well I was going to say shocking but sadly such incidents are no longer shocking because they happen more often than they should.

[MENTION=146839]WildSwing[/MENTION],
Further to your earlier comment suggesting re-Pakistani posters on this forum, I doubt [MENTION=7898]Gabbar Singh[/MENTION] is a Pakistani poster.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I also doing job in delhi. I would love to visit those parks. Where are they ????? Name of the parks. We can go together as well if you dnt mind.

Yeah i will go with a random bhakt to a park on a random day and wait for RSS to be there just so that i can prove my point to some people in denial on an online forum about growing intolerance in India and RSS spreading Islamophonia.

As if i have nothing better to do.

 

[jeetu]

One of the major planks of Modo govt was that there would be no minority appeasement that was started by Rajiv Gandhi in 80s.

Congress and other govts have been losing to bjp because majority of hindus are fed up with corruption,inefficiency and minority appeasement. Congress is trying its best to get some traction among hindus or atleast divide hindu votes. Rajiv Gandhi's minority politics which others copied to win elections has now backfired. They should have stuck to what congress did before. They opened a gate for bjp to corner hindu votes, and now except Yadavs and may be some dalits the hindu votes have consolidated for bjp.


Kejriwal won because people saw him as a neutral option. He got votes across the religious lines.

The reason why they havent dented Odisha because Navin Patanaik runs a efficient neutral and secular govt.

Its foolishness to assume that the politics of Azam Khan in UP or the Azad Maidan riots in Maharashtra didnot affect the poll outcome there.There are many such examples.

The reason bjp is growing in bengal rapidly is because the govt is inefficient corrupt and engaged in blatant minority appeasement. Even the calcutta HC had said the same in its judgements.

Parties will now have to look at returning to pre rajiv gandhi politics. Else Bjp will keep consolidating.

I agree for most part . What is Shah Bano case is the prime example of Cong(I) minority appeasement which did create bitter taste in most people back then. Still people got over it and Rajiv Gandhi would have been PM again , but he got assassinated.
BJP tried to manipulate votes on religious lines during Babri Masjid demolition in early 90's but instead lost 3 states.

Why people like me voted to Kejriwal , its had all to do with his month long first tenure. People remembered how he took on Police etc. That gave him credibility. Second time around his achievement are far less. So i doubt in next elections he will get absolute majority.

Regarding Congress I would have tough time voting for Rahul Gandhi who i believe is completely incompetent. So my remaining options as a Delhite would be to chose between Kejriwal and Modi in next election.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I agree for most part . What is Shah Bano case is the prime example of Cong(I) minority appeasement which did create bitter taste in most people back then. Still people got over it and Rajiv Gandhi would have been PM again , but he got assassinated.
BJP tried to manipulate votes on religious lines during Babri Masjid demolition in early 90's but instead lost 3 states.

Why people like me voted to Kejriwal , its had all to do with his month long first tenure. People remembered how he took on Police etc. That gave him credibility. Second time around his achievement are far less. So i doubt in next elections he will get absolute majority.

Regarding Congress I would have tough time voting for Rahul Gandhi who i believe is completely incompetent. So my remaining options as a Delhite would be to chose between Kejriwal and Modi in next election.

Kejri is doing good?

Congress has to return to secular politics for that matter any party that wishes to outwit BJP has to return to secular politics.

Thing was that BJP didnot have a Modi to take on Rajiv then appeasement politics was at its infancy. Also the two PMs after him VP Singh and Chandrashekhar were dumb. VP Singh angered a large number of Hindus with his Mandal politics.Appeasement politics reached a peak under congress Mulayam Commies.

Still Congress couldnot get a majority in LS with even the sympathy vote post Rajiv's death.

Now Bjp has a modi while opposition has RaGa Mamata Kcr Kejri Mayawati Akhilesh type leaders who hardly inspire any confidence. An

There is only so much you can fool people and call appeasement as secular. The more they appease the more they cede space to BJP. Bengal is a prime example.

 

[big_gamer007]

India is now under complete control of Hindu extremists. I live in Delhi and every Friday and Tuesday in our society parks the RSS organizes camps in which they openly discuss their plans to eradicate Muslims completely from India and keep them under their foot. The chaiwala has destroyed this country.

Born and brought up in Delhi, I have not seen anyone openly talking about eradicating a community that too in a society park as you mention..

Yes there are plenty of anti Muslim elements in India no doubt and yes RSS does spread hatred.. But NO they don’t openly talk like this in society parks in Delhi.. You are exaggerating too much here to get across a point which would have been much simpler if you said the truth..

Regarding Modi the country is doing as it is as it would have done under any other leader.. India and Indian public have accepted mediocrity and we will continue to get mediocrity.. It is just how it is all you can do is vote for what you think is best and hope one day people think about the country first and themselves second.

 

[big_gamer007]

Kejri is doing good?

Congress has to return to secular politics for that matter any party that wishes to outwit BJP has to return to secular politics.

Thing was that BJP didnot have a Modi to take on Rajiv then appeasement politics was at its infancy. Also the two PMs after him VP Singh and Chandrashekhar were dumb. VP Singh angered a large number of Hindus with his Mandal politics.Appeasement politics reached a peak under congress Mulayam Commies.

Still Congress couldnot get a majority in LS with even the sympathy vote post Rajiv's death.

Now Bjp has a modi while opposition has RaGa Mamata Kcr Kejri Mayawati Akhilesh type leaders who hardly inspire any confidence. An

There is only so much you can fool people and call appeasement as secular. The more they appease the more they cede space to BJP. Bengal is a prime example.

Kejriwal is doing okayish.. He has his flaws no doubt but at ground level he is doing okayish.. He doesn’t have much financial clout and can’t control media so his good work will never be shown.. If you do talk to lower middle class they are happy with Kejriwal.. He won’t win 67 seats this time around but it will Ben a close fight..

He ruined a golden chance to become PM in 2023 if only he could have administered as we all had hoped he would have.

Personally for me Kejriwal killed the little hope I had in Indian politics..

 

[akki]

Yeah i will go with a random bhakt to a park on a random day and wait for RSS to be there just so that i can prove my point to some people in denial on an online forum about growing intolerance in India and RSS spreading Islamophonia.

As if i have nothing better to do.

Dnt worry i am not a bhakt. I also want to see out of curiosity. Its just like that. I hope you are not of that sort of people who think that saying bhaarat mata iki jai is anti secular if they say that in park. Anyway would love to go to that park. Give me name of that park.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Dnt worry i am not a bhakt. I also want to see out of curiosity. Its just like that. I hope you are not of that sort of people who think that saying bhaarat mata iki jai is anti secular if they say that in park. Anyway would love to go to that park. Give me name of that park.

Simple question. Yes or No will do.

Is there a Hindu extremist problem in India?

 

[akki]

Simple question. Yes or No will do.

Is there a Hindu extremist problem in India?

No ..... every religion and every caste is a problem in india. NObody is behind much any one here in india.
But so as is the whole world. Look at china, mynamar ,sri lanka ,afghanistan , our beloved pakistan. ....i dnt even need to go far. I only mentioned asia and mostly south asia..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Simple question. Yes or No will do.

Is there a Hindu extremist problem in India?

I would have thought that the reasonable Indian posters here blaming minority appeasement as the real problem should tell you quite a lot.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No ..... every religion and every caste is a problem in india. NObody is behind much any one here in india.
But so as is the whole world. Look at china, mynamar ,sri lanka ,afghanistan , our beloved pakistan. ....i dnt even need to go far. I only mentioned asia and mostly south asia..

No?

So the RSS are flower wearing hippies who just love the colour orange.

Those who stormed the mosque recently or those who kill others because they like to eat a cow now and again.

These are not extremists?

 

[www787]

Hindutva group is getting stronger for the time being and they are responsible for this fundamentalist outlook. However this can go away in next election provided BJP lose. One factor people here doesn't realize that major factor behind Modi winning was promise of economic development not religious fundamentalism.

In Delhi after BJP won the Lok Sabha election in all seats. They were wiped out in Delhi in years time because Kejriwal offered more promise than Modi. That the way way Indian democracy works.

I wish Modi could do more to curb this thing. But it will be a lose lose situation for him. So he is keeping his distance.

Political parties and their politicians have been using religious incidents to gain power in subcontinent for a long time.
3 most famous example.
M.A.Jinnah in 1940's
Rajiv Gandhi in 1980's
Modi in 2000's.

Jinnah fought for minority.

Modi has majority with him either supporting and turning a blind eye.

Two aren't comparable.

Appreciate your response without getting butt hurt just because someone called a radical religious organization for what they are.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kejriwal is doing okayish.. He has his flaws no doubt but at ground level he is doing okayish.. He doesn’t have much financial clout and can’t control media so his good work will never be shown.. If you do talk to lower middle class they are happy with Kejriwal.. He won’t win 67 seats this time around but it will Ben a close fight..

He ruined a golden chance to become PM in 2023 if only he could have administered as we all had hoped he would have.

Personally for me Kejriwal killed the little hope I had in Indian politics..

Kejriwal killed the hopes of a lot of people. Too much blame game. Too many loud mouths and he seems to have contracted the appeasement disease.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I would have thought that the reasonable Indian posters here blaming minority appeasement as the real problem should tell you quite a lot.

That is a political problem.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No?

So the RSS are flower wearing hippies who just love the colour orange.

Those who stormed the mosque recently or those who kill others because they like to eat a cow now and again.

These are not extremists?

Saffron is one of the colours of the Indian flag. And there is no ban on any colour in India.


Stormed which mosque?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Saffron is one of the colours of the Indian flag. And there is no ban on any colour in India.


Stormed which mosque?

I dont dispute that.

Unless this is all lies, more than one mosque was attacked.

http://www.thedawn-news.org/2018/03...munal-clashes-in-7-districts-in-indias-bihar/

 

[Saeed]

Saffron is one of the colours of the Indian flag. And there is no ban on any colour in India.


Stormed which mosque?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From relatives - five masajid in town have been vandalised. Imam of jama masjid of the town was severly beaten. The adhan in many masajid was prevented. But now, under heavy security, it has been restarted. But the situation is still very tense.</p>— Heraa Hashmi (@caveheraa) <a href="https://twitter.com/caveheraa/status/979584905632862208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 30, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
5 stormed just in the area her relatives live. Probably many more were stormed but people didn’t report because even the government supports them.

 

[DeadBall]

Illiterate idiots, from both sides.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I dont dispute that.

Unless this is all lies, more than one mosque was attacked.

http://www.thedawn-news.org/2018/03...munal-clashes-in-7-districts-in-indias-bihar/

You will take TOI as a source for news in Pakistan?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Illiterate idiots, from both sides.

Would agree with that view.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You will take TOI as a source for news in Pakistan?

So it's not true?

No violence, no arrests, no attacks on mosques as the article suggests?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So it's not true?

No violence, no arrests, no attacks on mosques as the article suggests?

The article is filled with half truths and had highly exaggerated the issue.

 

[Pakistanian]

Sounds like a warzone

 

[KingKhanWC]

The article is filled with half truths and had highly exaggerated the issue.

Please enlighten us with the *facts.

Was a single mosque attacked or not?

 

[akki]

No?

So the RSS are flower wearing hippies who just love the colour orange.

Those who stormed the mosque recently or those who kill others because they like to eat a cow now and again.

These are not extremists?

I told you na.. no not only rss but every religion and every caste is a problem in india. I sometimes feel we need china like policy to deal with religions. Have one rule for all religions and then follow it, and whoever goes against that crush them without thinking anything and no independent media who can take this up issues outside world.

 

[Slog]

this is a sad event for indian secularism..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Please enlighten us with the *facts.

Was a single mosque attacked or not?

Google up the entire issue.

 

[cricketjoshila]

this is a sad event for indian secularism..

Look up deadball's post. Thats the reality.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Google up the entire issue.

I have and there are videos and testimonies of mosques being attacked alongside a lot of violence. I will have to go with this until I read or see something which refutes it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I have and there are videos and testimonies of mosques being attacked alongside a lot of violence. I will have to go with this until I read or see something which refutes it.

Please post the concerned articles.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Please post the concerned articles.

Lets not play I game where I post a link and you rubbish it. Instead if you would like I'm sure many would want to know what you believe took place and reasons for it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lets not play I game where I post a link and you rubbish it. Instead if you would like I'm sure many would want to know what you believe took place and reasons for it.

What happened is what [MENTION=146530]DeadBall[/MENTION] posted.

Nothing more nothing less.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Look up deadball's post. Thats the reality.

No, he's just diluted the events by blaming both sides, something which suits the the aggressor majority religion, and you being a part of the majority will obviously find that attractive. Hindutva Indians and Pak atheists often have common cause in this area as they both have the same enemy.

 

[Lonewarrior]

 

[cricketjoshila]

No, he's just diluted the events by blaming both sides, something which suits the the aggressor majority religion, and you being a part of the majority will obviously find that attractive. Hindutva Indians and Pak atheists often have common cause in this area as they both have the same enemy.

Since you are a muslim you will find it attaractive to blame the other side.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Since you are a muslim you will find it attaractive to blame the other side.

I don't find it attractive at all, we have to look beyond our own polarised viewpoints to find a solution.