Indian players in my time scored tons for themselves and not the team, claims Inzamam-ul-Haq

[KP From India]

So please provide list of other batsmen who were buniies and averaged above 50.

 

[KP From India]

Name a many others who averaged more than Sachin in tests.
And list of bowlers who made them bunnies.

 

[KP From India]

BTW, completely agree.
If quick 30-40s can win you matches consistantly than selfish hundreds, then everything is possible.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So please provide list of other batsmen who were buniies and averaged above 50.

Ponting was Harbhajan's bunny.

Matches played: 48 (14 Tests, 33 ODIs, 1 T20I)

Times Harbhajan dismissed Ponting: 13

Runs scored by Ponting: 2152 (six hundreds, 13 fifties)

 

[Faizhassan]

Hi record against Anderson is not great, I will give that..

Dude he had a 20 year career, he might have dominated many bowlers and many bowlers might have dominated him, the fact that Inzimam must be the last person to have an opinion as whenever he faced good quality bowling, he was sent packing.

 

[KP From India]

So he got nearly 2280 runs when Harby played.
Also I dont think Harby got him many times in Aus.

 

[Hitman]

In 90s with bowlers like,

Wasim, Waqar, Donald, McGrath, Pollock, Murali, Warne, Walsh, Bishop, Saqlain ....

SRT failed big time... Lots of other batsmen did far better than SRT



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[Faizhassan]

This post will definitely be ignored by most.

Again, ignoring my other past as well, how the hell he was able to manage on such a higher side despite batting so poorly against good bowlers, some sort of witch hunt? Or black magic???

 

[andy0204]

I already said that in 1990's Tendulkar was the best batsman.
In 2000's Ponting beats him not by distance just by a margin.

 

[Indiafan]

so tenda did not failmvs mcgrath. You point has been disproved.

he did fail vs donald. yes in tests. Failure.
he did ok vs wasim. 42 not too bad but for a player of his calibre it's average.
what's his record vs Anderson?

Sachin didnt play against Akram in his prime, India hardly played any tests against pak even then.


By the time Anderson came sachin was way past his prime

I love how you keep moving goal posts after being pwned again and again and ignore all the 90s stats

So basically you have 2 bowlers mentioned, one which he hardly played, one past his prime and ignore all the other ATG bowlers he did well against?

Hilarious

 

[Indiafan]

BTW, completely agree.
If quick 30-40s can win you matches consistantly than selfish hundreds, then everything is possible.

But his knocks were hardly quick. Most indian batsmen had better strike rates than Pakistanis (not counting finishers like Razak and Afridi). Inzi's strike rate was below Sachin's

 

[Hitman]

Sachin didnt play against Akram in his prime, India hardly played any tests against pak even then.


By the time Anderson came sachin was way past his prime

I love how you keep moving goal posts after being pwned again and again and ignore all the 90s stats

So basically you have 2 bowlers mentioned, one which he hardly played, one past his prime and ignore all the other ATG bowlers he did well against?

Hilarious

Here's a hint -

no he dint in tests. go look up the records. I hate tenda and I have to admit I was wrong.

 

[Hitman]

But his knocks were hardly quick. Most indian batsmen had better strike rates than Pakistanis (not counting finishers like Razak and Afridi). Inzi's strike rate was below Sachin's

It's a joke to compare Inzamam's strike rate with Sachin in ODI cricket.

 

[Faizhassan]

Sachin didnt play against Akram in his prime, India hardly played any tests against pak even then.


By the time Anderson came sachin was way past his prime

I love how you keep moving goal posts after being pwned again and again and ignore all the 90s stats

So basically you have 2 bowlers mentioned, one which he hardly played, one past his prime and ignore all the other ATG bowlers he did well against?

Hilarious

Despite the fact that claims being made that how he dominated our beloved Shoaib Akhtar and Waqar Younis with great ease. The fact that is the greatest match winner of this century in ODI cricket and only reason I can find why Pakistani hate him so much that he has knocked us out of two World Cups, (2003 and 2011).

I mean people still claim Ajmal's decision, as if Pakistan would have won that match.

 

[KP From India]

Inzamam was far more destructive and almost as consistent as tenda vs quality bowling attacks all over the world. Bowlers feared Inzy more than tenda.

 

[Faizhassan]

Inzamam was far more destructive and almost as consistent as tenda vs quality bowling attacks all over the world. Bowlers feared Inzy more than tenda.

I beg to differ, Inzi's record was miserable against Australia and South Africa, and he flopped miserably in 2007 and 2003 World Cup, whereas Sachin was a star in 2003 World Cup. Debate is more or less existent in Test Cricket.

 

[Hitman]

I beg to differ, Inzi's record was miserable against Australia and South Africa, and he flopped miserably in 2007 and 2003 World Cup, whereas Sachin was a star in 2003 World Cup. Debate is more or less existent in Test Cricket.

Sarcasm.

 

[Faizhassan]

Sarcasm.

You got way too subtle over here buddy.

 

[KP From India]

If we consider Sachin as Mcgrath of batting, then Inzy was Donald of batting.
The later ones were't quite best in WC, but oppostion used to fear them more.
Plus apart from WC, they had better other tournaments record than former ones.

 

[Faizhassan]

If we consider Sachin as Mcgrath of batting, then Inzy was Donald of batting.
The later ones were't quite best in WC, but oppostion used to fear them more.
Plus apart from WC, they had better other tournaments record than former ones.

What is that intangible fear you are talking about buddy. Inzimam does not tie the shoelaces of Sachin in Test, and in One days he was a flop in World Tournaments, instead argument can be made that he is one of the worst flops of the modern era. Whereas Sachin and Mcgrath defined and transcended era's.

 

[andy0204]

If we consider Sachin as Mcgrath of batting, then Inzy was Donald of batting.
The later ones were't quite best in WC, but oppostion used to fear them more.
Plus apart from WC, they had better other tournaments record than former ones.

Check out Donalds record in Wc,he delivered with the bowl just because of that run out in 1999 you declared him as a choker.

 

[KP From India]

No he may have had a good record but unlike Mcgrath who shine in every WC, Allan didnt pick many wickets in 1996 Wc, bowled well in only few matches in 1999, wasnt quite influencial in 2003 world cup.Semi final 4 wickets a very good performance but we must remember Aus wasnt a very good team back then.
Simillarly Sachin may have better WC record, but Inzy also had many good innings in WCs.
Also Inzy's technique against pace bowling was something else. Also under pressure Inzy was better.

 

[Faizhassan]

No he may have had a good record but unlike Mcgrath who shine in every WC, Allan didnt pick many wickets in 1996 Wc, bowled well in only few matches in 1999, wasnt quite influencial in 2003 world cup.Semi final 4 wickets a very good performance but we must remember Aus wasnt a very good team back then.
Simillarly Sachin may have better WC record, but Inzy also had many good innings in WCs.
Also Inzy's technique against pace bowling was something else. Also under pressure Inzy was better.

Sachin helped this team reach World Cup final, and then was instrumental in Semi Final against Pakistan. What has Inzi done, i keep bringing this record in WC 2003 and 2007 where he completely flopped. He had a poor record against Australia and South Africa so there goes your myth of him being a better player of pace bowling. Good quality pace bowling might problem anyone like Sachin, but to compare him with Inzimam is a travesty. I really want to try whatever you are having

 

[tyron_woodley]

Sachin didnt play against Akram in his prime, India hardly played any tests against pak even then.


By the time Anderson came sachin was way past his prime

I love how you keep moving goal posts after being pwned again and again and ignore all the 90s stats

So basically you have 2 bowlers mentioned, one which he hardly played, one past his prime and ignore all the other ATG bowlers he did well against?

Hilarious

that's fair enough. I said I was wrong? he only dint fare well vs donald. For his standards anyway.
Dint he play wasim in his prime though? averaged 42. not great but not bad.

 

[KP From India]

I am not saying Inzy was better but they were so close that difference is miniscule.
Inzy on 2005 tour to Ind nearly made 200 against quality bowling and drawn a test series, we must praise that, was excellent in ODI series that they won in India.
They lost to us when we toured there both in tests or odis.But Inzi bhai made lots of runs in those series probably more than Sachin.Its not his fault that bowlers ruined it.
Inzy bhai had that calm persona while batting also remember, tenda had Ganguly, Dravid, Yuvraj, Sehwag, Laxman etc. to company him.Inzy didnt have that luxary apart from couple of other guys.
He must have failed in few world cups after playing in 6-7 world cups but also performed in remaining world cups.

 

[Faizhassan]

I am not saying Inzy was better but they were so close that difference is miniscule.
Inzy on 2005 tour to Ind nearly made 200 against quality bowling and drawn a test series, we must praise that, was excellent in ODI series that they won in India.
They lost to us when we toured there both in tests or odis.But Inzi bhai made lots of runs in those series probably more than Sachin.Its not his fault that bowlers ruined it.
Inzy bhai had that calm persona while batting also remember, tenda had Ganguly, Dravid, Yuvraj, Sehwag, Laxman etc. to company him.Inzy didnt have that luxary apart from couple of other guys.
He must have failed in few world cups after playing in 6-7 world cups but also performed in remaining world cups.

No the difference is not miniscule. Lets stick to ODI's first, Sachin averaged 44 and 35 against Australia and South Africa respectively. For Inzi, he averaged 31 and 30 against both these teams. Similarly, Inzi averaged mighty 26 in Australia and 27 against South Africa. Sachin on the other hand averaged more than 35 in both the countries.

Talking about the bad world up here and there, Inzi averaged 24 in World Cup Matches, whereas Sachin averaged twice as much as that. He averaged 56 in World Cups. Similarly Inzimam has no hundreds in World Cup whereas Sachin has 6. Now I am waiting for you to bring that intangible thing called fear to bring into the discussion to show Inzi was better. Well Ireland were not really afraid of him.

 

[tyron_woodley]

sachin vs inzi is like comparing ashwin nehra to shoaib akthar.

 

[KP From India]

No mate.
Inzamam had few partners to support him.His calm persona on field acted as fear factor as opposition knew if we dont get this guy out it would be over pretty soon.
When our team used to get Inzy, we would have won half the battle, yes there were Anwar, Mo. Yousuf etc. and allrounders like Razzler, Afridi chipped in it was limited.
Sachin had this scenarion untill only 1997. Then we had Rahul, Ganguly, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Jadeja, Azhar, Dhoni etc.so by no means yiu would relax if you get Sachin.
On the other hand, if we get Inzy early we knew we have won half the battle provided that we have defendable score.Inzy mostly carried your batting.
Also had Inzy played more matches in Aus and SA, he would have improved average. He played at least 2-3 tours less in those countries so didnt get his chance to improve run tally and average.

 

[Ab Fan]

Tendulkar, Gavaskar, Kohli and Dravid are all superior batsmen to Inzy bhai and Sehwag is also at same level.

Sachin will be at no.1 among Asian bats and Inzy will find him at 7-8-9 with Sehwag and Younis.

 

[Romali_rotti]

No mate.
Inzamam had few partners to support him.His calm persona on field acted as fear factor as opposition knew if we dont get this guy out it would be over pretty soon.
When our team used to get Inzy, we would have won half the battle, yes there were Anwar, Mo. Yousuf etc. and allrounders like Razzler, Afridi chipped in it was limited.
Sachin had this scenarion untill only 1997. Then we had Rahul, Ganguly, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Jadeja, Azhar, Dhoni etc.so by no means yiu would relax if you get Sachin.
On the other hand, if we get Inzy early we knew we have won half the battle provided that we have defendable score.Inzy mostly carried your batting.
Also had Inzy played more matches in Aus and SA, he would have improved average. He played at least 2-3 tours less in those countries so didnt get his chance to improve run tally and average.

Inzi played 8 matches each in SA & Aus to avg a whooping 31 & 30 with 1 x 100.. 16 matches on bouncy similar tracks and similar avgs shows he would not have gotten better, especially considering his fitness kept declining with his weight issues. Inzi was definitely very talented but he didn't have the heart/mental toughness it took to play well on tough bouncy tracks.....

 

[tyron_woodley]

No mate.
Inzamam had few partners to support him.His calm persona on field acted as fear factor as opposition knew if we dont get this guy out it would be over pretty soon.
When our team used to get Inzy, we would have won half the battle, yes there were Anwar, Mo. Yousuf etc. and allrounders like Razzler, Afridi chipped in it was limited.
Sachin had this scenarion untill only 1997. Then we had Rahul, Ganguly, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Jadeja, Azhar, Dhoni etc.so by no means yiu would relax if you get Sachin.
On the other hand, if we get Inzy early we knew we have won half the battle provided that we have defendable score.Inzy mostly carried your batting.
Also had Inzy played more matches in Aus and SA, he would have improved average. He played at least 2-3 tours less in those countries so didnt get his chance to improve run tally and average.

no he had younis khan, yousuf yohana, anwar.

what mor3 do you want.?

salim malik.

i

 

[tyron_woodley]

if inzi was actually fit then he could have been as good as tenda


Funnily enough tenda himself isn't that fit. short pudgy dude should have worked on his strength and conditioning. Could have the best ever. Instead he is top 5 ish.

 

[KP From India]

Younis Khan can not be called a batsman in ODIs
Saleem Malik was too soft a batsman.

 

[Faizhassan]

Younis Khan can not be called a batsman in ODIs
Saleem Malik was too soft a batsman.

Okay so we are going to be having Younis Khan and Saleem Malik in the conversation now, both are definition of mediocrity even by Pakistani standards.

 

[Faizhassan]

if inzi was actually fit then he could have been as good as tenda


Funnily enough tenda himself isn't that fit. short pudgy dude should have worked on his strength and conditioning. Could have the best ever. Instead he is top 5 ish.

In sporting sense he was quite fit by 90's standards where guys like Boon, Ranatunga and Inzi were playing. He is not a freak like Kohli, but other than tennis elbow, has not seen any major injury.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

If i had to take a wild guess I'd say that he was under-cover talking about Sachin but didn't wanna give a billion people a rage inflicted brain aneurysm

 

[tyron_woodley]

you know what's funny. indian bowling matched pakistam well in 90s.
Pakistani batsmen were superior in u.a.e and home conditions etc. Even in india it was even.

inzi
salim malik
anwar
Malik

miandad
etc

Pakistani batting was far better than India's in the 90s for Asian conditions.

the overall h2h is actually decent.
it was like 26-19 in favour of pakistan.

in 80s it was lopsided.

Go look at the bowling averages, it was srinath who had the better bowling average when the two countries played each other. However Pakistan's superior batting and spinners often helped them win games in the 90s.