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Indian troops use locals as shields in held Kashmir encounters (Reuters)

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PINGLAN (India-held Kashmir): Hundreds of Indian soldiers descended on the picturesque village of Pinglan, which is surrounded by apple and apricot orchards, just before midnight on February 17.

By the time they left 18 hours later, one civilian, three fighters and five members of the Indian security forces were dead, a row of houses was reduced to rubble, an unexploded missile had been planted in a rice field, and more than 120 villagers had sought treatment for exposure to tear gas, alleged beatings, and in some cases mental trauma.

Reuters spent two days in Pinglan, a village in India-held Kashmir that has a population of about 6,400, about a month after the crackdown to piece together what happened during those hours.

Interviews with more than 60 eyewitnesses indicate that soldiers forced at least four villagers to act as human shields. That meant sending them first into a building where local fighters might be hiding.

Human rights lawyers say such tactics which are meant to deter fighters from firing on soldiers carrying out the raids are highly questionable and could even be a war crime under international law. But they would not be illegal under Indian law.

“[The] Indian army has never used civilians as human shields,” claimed military spokesman Lt Col Mohit Vaishnava, in response to requests for comment.

However, he said that during encounters, local people were sometimes asked to mediate between the army and fighters.

A suicide attack on Indian troops, which had left over 40 of them dead in February, sparked a huge crackdown in the disputed region as Prime Minister Narendra Modi gave troops a “free hand” to respond.

Since the attack, hundreds of Kashmiris have been arrested, and dozens of fighters and civilians martyred in what the authorities term “encounters”.

On February 17, from about 11:30pm, three days after the suicide attack, security forces cordoned off all the roads leading into Pinglan and began going house-to-house. An army informant in the village had heard of the presence of fighters, according to an army officer who is familiar with some operational details of the encounter.

Residents interviewed in Pinglan were almost all openly hostile to India and its soldiers. Many people said the village had not seen armed confrontation between local fighters and troops for decades.

A resident’s account of a villager being taken by the army to search a building was consistent with testimony of three other people, all of whom told Reuters they were forced to perform similar tasks.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1479440/indian-troops-use-locals-as-shields-in-held-kashmir-encounters
 
My goodness.

Is this true?

Seriously? This is news for you?
This has been happening since decades. Just why do you think Kashmiris are resentful towards Indian army and establishment? Are all of us a bunch of crazy lunatics who hate others for no solid reason?

If you are surprised by this, then it is yet another proof how Indian masses have been kept in dark and brainwashed systematically through decades of state propaganda. Come to grips with reality.
 
If anyone remember major Gogoi - who indecently became a protagonist in a Bollywood movie - then they wouldn't be surprised on the details mentioned in this news piece.
 
When a common man is acting as a shield to Militants, it only makes sense to use the same common man as a shield when dealing with militants. Very clever ploy I would say.
 
When a common man is acting as a shield to Militants, it only makes sense to use the same common man as a shield when dealing with militants. Very clever ploy I would say.

Disgusting Post but expected from the supporters of Hindutva Terrorist Indian Army.
 
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/in.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idINKCN1S60YK

This the original Reuters article.

Dawn has changed the headlines. Changed words. Omitted large parts of the article to suit its agenda.

The rest of the article does not portray a rosy picture either. Some of the other excerpts include:

Fifteen-year-old Muninah Amin said the army knocked on her door, telling her family their house was to be searched.

When Amin protested, she said an army major told her to be quiet.

“You should become a sarpanch (village head), you talk so much,” he said, pointing his gun at her.

Troops from the 55th Battalion of the Rashtriya Rifles demanded her father, Mushtaq Ahmad Bhat, come out to help them, Amin said. They were surrounding a separate small building on the family’s property and needed Bhat to search it for them.

Gunfire from an unknown source strafed their house, breaking upstairs windows, and the remaining family members hid on the ground floor. By the time they were moved by the army into the house of a neighbour, Bhat was dead, a soldier informed them.

“They only told us he died in crossfire,” said Amin, whose account of the evening was corroborated by her mother, Nusrat.

Fifteen-year-old Muninah Amin said the army knocked on her door, telling her family their house was to be searched.

When Amin protested, she said an army major told her to be quiet.

“You should become a sarpanch (village head), you talk so much,” he said, pointing his gun at her.

Troops from the 55th Battalion of the Rashtriya Rifles demanded her father, Mushtaq Ahmad Bhat, come out to help them, Amin said. They were surrounding a separate small building on the family’s property and needed Bhat to search it for them.

Gunfire from an unknown source strafed their house, breaking upstairs windows, and the remaining family members hid on the ground floor. By the time they were moved by the army into the house of a neighbour, Bhat was dead, a soldier informed them.

“They only told us he died in crossfire,” said Amin, whose account of the evening was corroborated by her mother, Nusrat.
 
The army is yet to provide any further information on how he died, Amin said.

“We asked for information but they did not give it to us,” she said. “They hid what happened.”
 
Bhat’s brother, Shafqat Ahmad Bhat, said he was also held by the army and sent to search a house and film it on a mobile phone near the end of the encounter.

Shafqat, along with half a dozen other villagers, said they were beaten by troops using rifle butts, sticks and other weapons.

“They put a stone in my mouth to keep me quiet because I was screaming so much,” Shafqat said.
 
While many of the injuries sustained by those who said they had been attacked were minor, Bhat family neighbour Shahzada Akhtar said she was repeatedly struck on the face with a shoe by a soldier and needed medical treatment.

Her account was corroborated by Rayees Ul-Hamid, a medical officer at Pinglan’s health centre.
 
Disgusting Post but expected from the supporters of Hindutva Terrorist Indian Army.

What disgusting post? What is the army supposed to do? When the locals are acting as human shields to terrorists, it only makes sense for Army to use the same tactic. This is to minimize the human life loss.

Terrorists cannot shoot at regular Kashmiris and Army also cannot do the same. When you play dirty game, expect others to do the same.

If Terrorists are so brave, then they should come out in open and fight like men. Not hiding behind common people and shooting bullets from their shoulder.
 
What disgusting post? What is the army supposed to do? When the locals are acting as human shields to terrorists, it only makes sense for Army to use the same tactic. This is to minimize the human life loss.

Terrorists cannot shoot at regular Kashmiris and Army also cannot do the same. When you play dirty game, expect others to do the same.

If Terrorists are so brave, then they should come out in open and fight like men. Not hiding behind common people and shooting bullets from their shoulder.

One of the men killed by the forces included Hilal Ahmed Naikoo.
"Hilal Ahmad Naikoo [...] ran a successful medical laboratory and was well-liked in the village, according to interviews with his family and others."
"Hilal joined JeM after the rape and murder of an eight-year-old Muslim girl in Jammu & Kashmir state in January 2018. Six people, including two policemen, are standing trial for the rape and murder while two other policemen have been accused of destroying evidence."
People don't become militants for nothing.
 
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One of the men killed by the forces included Hilal Ahmed Naikoo.
"Hilal Ahmad Naikoo [...] ran a successful medical laboratory and was well-liked in the village, according to interviews with his family and others."
"Hilal joined JeM after the rape and murder of an eight-year-old Muslim girl in Jammu & Kashmir state in January 2018. Six people, including two policemen, are standing trial for the rape and murder while two other policemen have been accused of destroying evidence."
People don't become militants for nothing.
So many innocent people are killed in bomb attacks by radical Islamists. Do you agree with their kin joining the far right?
 
One of the men killed by the forces included Hilal Ahmed Naikoo.
"Hilal Ahmad Naikoo [...] ran a successful medical laboratory and was well-liked in the village, according to interviews with his family and others."
"Hilal joined JeM after the rape and murder of an eight-year-old Muslim girl in Jammu & Kashmir state in January 2018. Six people, including two policemen, are standing trial for the rape and murder while two other policemen have been accused of destroying evidence."
People don't become militants for nothing.

I am not disputing why someone became a militant. People have a variety of reasons for it.

I am disputing the posters who were blasting Indian soldiers for using human shields. You play dirty games, so can Indian army.
 
One of the men killed by the forces included Hilal Ahmed Naikoo.
"Hilal Ahmad Naikoo [...] ran a successful medical laboratory and was well-liked in the village, according to interviews with his family and others."
"Hilal joined JeM after the rape and murder of an eight-year-old Muslim girl in Jammu & Kashmir state in January 2018. Six people, including two policemen, are standing trial for the rape and murder while two other policemen have been accused of destroying evidence."
People don't become militants for nothing.

Were the policeman and the people who raped the girl Local Muslims? Or were they Indian Army men?

This guy joined JEM which shows he was brainwashed again by JEM into believing that Indians did it.
 
I am not disputing why someone became a militant. People have a variety of reasons for it.

I am disputing the posters who were blasting Indian soldiers for using human shields. You play dirty games, so can Indian army.

Th difference is that one is a trained Army and the others are just civilians.
 
Th difference is that one is a trained Army and the others are just civilians.

A trained army man is still a human. Militants are also trained. They still hide among common people and those people protect them like they are babies. SO Army is using the same tactic. Makes the fight even.
 
So many innocent people are killed in bomb attacks by radical Islamists. Do you agree with their kin joining the far right?

Bro, if you can't tell the difference between state sanctioned oppression and the violence perpetuated by far right fringe groups, then that's your willful ignorance. By that metric, William Wallace, Bhaggat Singh, Nelson Mandela, and all those fought against the oppressive regime via arms are all worthy of contempt but to me they are all heroes.
 
Were the policeman and the people who raped the girl Local Muslims? Or were they Indian Army men?

This guy joined JEM which shows he was brainwashed again by JEM into believing that Indians did it.

Last time I checked, Police men were state representatives.
 
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Last time I checked, Police men were state representatives.

Please. Rape is a criminal offense and if it was done by locals and a couple of policemen, it has to be dealt in courts. Joining militant outfits like JEM makes no sense.

Posters like you twisting and turning everything into Indian army vs innocent Kashmiris is too obvious to see. Everything is Indian Army's fault. Even if the rape is committed by local men.
 
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Bro, if you can't tell the difference between state sanctioned oppression and the violence perpetuated by far right fringe groups, then that's your willful ignorance. By that metric, William Wallace, Bhaggat Singh, Nelson Mandela, and all those fought against the oppressive regime via arms are all worthy of contempt but to me they are all heroes.

There is nothing sanctioned there. Some people are fighting for separation from a country and India is doing everything that a sovereign country does to keep its land.

Please do not compare the likes of Bhagat Singh and Mandela to these brainwashed JEM religious nuts.
 
Please. Rape is a criminal offense and if it was done by locals and a couple of policemen, it has to be dealt in courts. Joining militant outfits like JEM makes no sense.

Posters like you twisting and turning everything into Indian army vs innocent Kashmiris is too obvious to see. Everything is Indian Army's fault. Even if the rape is committed by local men.

I guess the title of this thread wasn't good enough to drill in a few facts into your pea sized brain.
 
There is nothing sanctioned there. Some people are fighting for separation from a country and India is doing everything that a sovereign country does to keep its land.

Please do not compare the likes of Bhagat Singh and Mandela to these brainwashed JEM religious nuts.

Mass graves of the Kashmiris beg to differ.
 
I guess the title of this thread wasn't good enough to drill in a few facts into your pea sized brain.

Personal attacks. How original.

Anyways, I posted what I thought about this. You fight cowardice with cowardice. Not by being a brave guy.
 
Bro, if you can't tell the difference between state sanctioned oppression and the violence perpetuated by far right fringe groups, then that's your willful ignorance. By that metric, William Wallace, Bhaggat Singh, Nelson Mandela, and all those fought against the oppressive regime via arms are all worthy of contempt but to me they are all heroes.
Did the state sanction the rape? Do you have evidence to back that up? Or was it the action of a few sick individuals?
 
Did the state sanction the rape? Do you have evidence to back that up? Or was it the action of a few sick individuals?

How convenient. You guys really have a short term memory. I remember BJP and the likes celebrating and protecting the rapists because they believed it was a Hindu answer for ‘love jihad’.
 
Personal attacks. How original.

Anyways, I posted what I thought about this. You fight cowardice with cowardice. Not by being a brave guy.


What part of tolerating a behaviour that would be deemed ‘war crimes’ did you not get. It’s not about me being personal. It’s about your utter ignorance and disregard for the asymmetrical power dynamics between the India vs Kashmir relationship.
 
How convenient. You guys really have a short term memory. I remember BJP and the likes celebrating and protecting the rapists because they believed it was a Hindu answer for ‘love jihad’.

There are people who support ISIS in the western countries. So should we generalise all Muslims or do you discount behaviour based on the religion of the perpetrator?
 
There are people who support ISIS in the western countries. So should we generalise all Muslims or do you discount behaviour based on the religion of the perpetrator?

I'm not lumping all Hindus here, am I? I'm referring to the ruling party whose members have more or less condoned the rape and humiliation of the Kashmiris in recent history because of their misplaced sense of identity.
 
I'm not lumping all Hindus here, am I? I'm referring to the ruling party whose members have more or less condoned the rape and humiliation of the Kashmiris in recent history because of their misplaced sense of identity.
Think we have digressed quite a bit. The vile actions of a few should not motivate anyone to carry out a terrorist act. And you should find no reason to justify such acts.

Also to provide some clarity, the protests in the area was the manner in which the case was handled. There were tensions in the area in the lead up to the incident and the residents in the area were protesting why the case was transferred away from the Jammu police to the Kashmir police.
 
Think we have digressed quite a bit. The vile actions of a few should not motivate anyone to carry out a terrorist act. And you should find no reason to justify such acts.

Also to provide some clarity, the protests in the area was the manner in which the case was handled. There were tensions in the area in the lead up to the incident and the residents in the area were protesting why the case was transferred away from the Jammu police to the Kashmir police.

Not vile actions of the few, but rather systemic and sanctioned from the top. They know full well there will be no repurcussions. Indian authorities are learning from the Israelis and applying same tactics their new best friends do in occupied west bank/gaza
 
This is why I laugh at the Indian eunuch army. They can't fight a war so instead kill innocent people. This when their soldiers are killed I have no sympathy for them either.
 
The brave Pakistani backed terrorists hiding like rats between the civilians and usingthem as shields and than firing away. This is not conventional war so you have to go down and dirty to clean your house of rats.
Good tactics by Indian army.
 
The brave Pakistani backed terrorists hiding like rats between the civilians and usingthem as shields and than firing away. This is not conventional war so you have to go down and dirty to clean your house of rats.
Good tactics by Indian army.

So what makes Indian army different from the terrorist and aren't Kashmiris not Indians? Would this is be acceptable in any other state in India?
 
So what makes Indian army different from the terrorist and aren't Kashmiris not Indians? Would this is be acceptable in any other state in India?
Other states of India aren’t in war with India, the muslims in J&K are at war with Indian state. So when the opposition uses dirty tactics you have to play at their level. No state would tolerate secession activities.
 
I would have pretended to be shocked by the Fascist Nazi like statements made by Indians in this thread but then again, its just the norm. History tells us that supporters of every oppressive regime justified oppression and even genocide by using stupid analogies. When you are in a middle of oppressing others, you think every action of yours is justified. Generally its only when it ends and you look at things in retrospect, you feel ashamed of your country's past. [MENTION=145569]Angrez Pakistani[/MENTION]
 
Couldn’t agree more with the statement above by Madplayer. Please tell us what you did with the Kashmiri Pandits?
 
Couldn’t agree more with the statement above by Madplayer. Please tell us what you did with the Kashmiri Pandits?

What happened in the past has been discussed to death here. Our stand on what happened with pandits is clear and you can dig up old threads to read about it. However, we need to move on from past and get together again like we were since hundreds of years before India decided to play dirty games.

Pandits are our own. While Indians try to present themselves as one with them, keep this in mind that they are seperate from Indians. Indians were, are and will always be the outsiders while pandits are one with us and this is their home. They always were and they always will be Kashmiris.
 
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That was Indian government staged exdous so they can let their army lose on the Kashmir Muslims or the Pandits willingly moved to other states for reservation in jobs etc These are common thing parroted by Kashmiri Muslims to justify the actions of their commrades. Who had full support of the Muslim population.
Of course nothing to do with a prominent Kashmir Pandits being targeted by these terrorists or advertisements being published in daily newspapers threatening and telling Pandits to leave the valley or the announcement from mosque warning them of dire consequences.
 
That was Indian government staged exdous so they can let their army lose on the Kashmir Muslims or the Pandits willingly moved to other states for reservation in jobs etc These are common thing parroted by Kashmiri Muslims to justify the actions of their commrades. Who had full support of the Muslim population.
Of course nothing to do with a prominent Kashmir Pandits being targeted by these terrorists or advertisements being published in daily newspapers threatening and telling Pandits to leave the valley or the announcement from mosque warning them of dire consequences.

Mostly cooked up stories by the Indian side. Nothing else.

No matter how much you cry, Pandits will still not consider you their own. They are from us and we are from them. You will always be the outsiders.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kashmiri Pandits should live with Muslims in Kashmir, they should not ask for separate Colonies: Roshan Lal Mawa.<br>Roshan Lal returned to Kashmir after 29 years and reopened his shop in Downtown Srinagar. He says that Kashmir is an Example of Brotherhood. <a href="https://t.co/w2ULbBBO68">pic.twitter.com/w2ULbBBO68</a></p>— Rifat Abdullah (@rifatabdullahh) <a href="https://twitter.com/rifatabdullahh/status/1123871756446515201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This is why 95% of Kashmiris want to leave India. Kashmiris should try to get max autonomy for now, maybe something like South Tyrol in Italy, or Aland Islands in Finland. Ronald Reagan said something once along the lines of half a loaf of bread is better than no bread, and once you get half, then you can try to get the other half later.
 
What happened in the past has been discussed to death here. Our stand on what happened with pandits is clear and you can dig up old threads to read about it. However, we need to move on from past and get together again like we were since hundreds of years before India decided to play dirty games.

Pandits are our own. While Indians try to present themselves as one with them, keep this in mind that they are seperate from Indians. Indians were, are and will always be the outsiders while pandits are one with us and this is their home. They always were and they always will be Kashmiris.

You should take a step back and check why the world does not believe your skullduggery. Every Pandit organisation has asked for security to return and your “poster boys” refuse to reconcile. So please try and sell your stories where people don’t know your history
 
Mostly cooked up stories by the Indian side. Nothing else.

No matter how much you cry, Pandits will still not consider you their own. They are from us and we are from them. You will always be the outsiders.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kashmiri Pandits should live with Muslims in Kashmir, they should not ask for separate Colonies: Roshan Lal Mawa.<br>Roshan Lal returned to Kashmir after 29 years and reopened his shop in Downtown Srinagar. He says that Kashmir is an Example of Brotherhood. <a href="https://t.co/w2ULbBBO68">pic.twitter.com/w2ULbBBO68</a></p>— Rifat Abdullah (@rifatabdullahh) <a href="https://twitter.com/rifatabdullahh/status/1123871756446515201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Everyone knows what you did with your own pandits. This is wht they are not part of any terrorist separatist movement.
 
My goodness.

Is this true?

Contrary to the Vijaykanth and Arjun movies you watch, military doesn't work like that. Pretty sure most are there cause they like war/gun atmosphere than anything. Sure they are fighting for the country but also remember they are human beings withs different characters. These are Jawans, not Para Commandos or MCF.
 
You should take a step back and check why the world does not believe your skullduggery. Every Pandit organisation has asked for security to return and your “poster boys” refuse to reconcile. So please try and sell your stories where people don’t know your history

World? Lol you mean the brainwashed Indian public? Secondly, only those organisations are given air time who speak the Indian narrative. Thirdly, there is no issue with asking security concerns to be addressed. However the demand for seperate colonies cannot be accepted because the demand is coming from stooges of Indian establishment to begin with and it will cause a lot of disturbance in the society. That was the only issue where reconciliation couldnt be reached.

Bro, you dont know the H of history when it comes to Kashmir. If you knew, and if you had an ethical world view, there is only one side you'd be supporting and it is not the side that you are supporting now.
 
Everyone knows what you did with your own pandits. This is wht they are not part of any terrorist separatist movement.

Come here and talk to the local pandits. Read about the pandit leaders who were at the forefront of Kashmiri struggle right from the very beginning. Right now, Pandits are not in a position to go against India. They, like any other community, are trying to get the most out of current situation. If only Indians would stop using them and increasing their woes.
 
World? Lol you mean the brainwashed Indian public? Secondly, only those organisations are given air time who speak the Indian narrative. Thirdly, there is no issue with asking security concerns to be addressed. However the demand for seperate colonies cannot be accepted because the demand is coming from stooges of Indian establishment to begin with and it will cause a lot of disturbance in the society. That was the only issue where reconciliation couldnt be reached.

Bro, you dont know the H of history when it comes to Kashmir. If you knew, and if you had an ethical world view, there is only one side you'd be supporting and it is not the side that you are supporting now.

Look around. Who gives a rats behind about your claims besides you and the Pakistani diaspora? 4 wars and countless terror attacks later, no one outside that small geographic area buys your story.

I don’t need to read your warped interpretation of history. The subcontinent was partitioned in 47, you princesses had the choice to move. You can still leave now if you want to. but dont think you will orchestrate another partition.
 
Mostly cooked up stories by the Indian side. Nothing else.

No matter how much you cry, Pandits will still not consider you their own. They are from us and we are from them. You will always be the outsiders.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kashmiri Pandits should live with Muslims in Kashmir, they should not ask for separate Colonies: Roshan Lal Mawa.<br>Roshan Lal returned to Kashmir after 29 years and reopened his shop in Downtown Srinagar. He says that Kashmir is an Example of Brotherhood. <a href="https://t.co/w2ULbBBO68">pic.twitter.com/w2ULbBBO68</a></p>— Rifat Abdullah (@rifatabdullahh) <a href="https://twitter.com/rifatabdullahh/status/1123871756446515201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Please do enlighten us as to why did Kashmiri Pandits leave the valley if Those are all cooked up stories by Indian government.
 
Seriously? This is news for you?
This has been happening since decades. Just why do you think Kashmiris are resentful towards Indian army and establishment? Are all of us a bunch of crazy lunatics who hate others for no solid reason?

If you are surprised by this, then it is yet another proof how Indian masses have been kept in dark and brainwashed systematically through decades of state propaganda. Come to grips with reality.

Ok, I actually wanted to pour out my thoughts as a response to this post but was too busy so couldn't get to it and now my motivation has kinda fizzled out.

See bhai, I have always maintained that anyplace with military presence will unfortunately have atrocities.

Be it French military who raped young kids.....or USA military in Iraq prisons....or Afghanistan military raping young boys....or SL military that committed countless atrocities on Tamils.....same way, I acknowledge that Indian military has committed atrocities on Kashmiris.

It's truly regrettable. And I don't think the victims would ever support India again and that's understandable. I truly empathize with victims regardless of who they are. I know it's easy for me to talk when I am not the affected party...but what else can one do except extend support.

The stuff happened here was horrific: https://in.reuters.com/article/uk-india-kashmir-encounter-insight-idINKCN1S60YK

At the same time, there are tons and tons of innocent Jawans who are just doing their job facing immense hardships on a daily basis. They have my sympathies too.

Sadly it will probably take another 50 years before the Kashmir issue is sorted.
 
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