Indians trampled by stampeding cattle for post-Diwali festiva

[KingKhanWC]

A bizarre ritual in central India sees took place on October 28, aas scores of men were trampled by cows and bulls in order to bring prosperity.

The century-old ritual is followed by Hindu men in the village of Bhidawad, Madhya Pradesh every year, taking place on the occasion of Govardhan Puja, the day after Diwali.

When asked if the ritual ends up injuring the participants in the process, locals claim that no one was hurt and that the tradition only brings good luck and prosperity.

In case anyone sustains minor injuries, they are treated with cow urine and dung, which they say has medicinal qualities to heal these injuries.

The herdsmen say it all started with a man praying for a son and when his wish came true, the villagers started observing this as an annual affair.

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The cow is holy in India and you have to respect their belief.

But this is animal cruelty. Look the poor cows, they are under stress, confusion and look scared.

You cannot in the name of any religion allow animals to be treated in such a way! Surely if you believe it's holy, you'd give it more respect?

 

[PakLFC]

Vegans can be very intolerant towards meat eaters as well.

 

[Varun]

BIMARU gonna BIMARU.

 

[msaaim89]

Some of the events in India we hear about are indeed very peculiar.

 

[Mamoon]

Are we really the ones to talk about animal cruelty?

We slaughter millions of animals every year on Eid, and then hang them upside down and skin them while the other animals are watching. They are also stressed, confused and scared.

If your fake concern for animals is more than just a pretext to mock Hindu rituals, you would also have a problem with Eid-ul-Azha, but I don’t remember you criticizing the practice.

 

[imrankhannsu]

From what I understand during any Halal slaughtering you cannot allow the animals for sacrifice to be stressed or even watch others being slaughtered. But sadly many dont follow this process.

I am not mocking rituals but surely this is quite a harsh one for people. Also I cannot understand how people mutilate their bodies as well in other rituals.

Allhamdullilah I am glad I dont have to go through any of these ordeals

 

[Hornbill]

From what I understand during any Halal slaughtering you cannot allow the animals for sacrifice to be stressed or even watch others being slaughtered. But sadly many dont follow this process.

I am not mocking rituals but surely this is quite a harsh one for people. Also I cannot understand how people mutilate their bodies as well in other rituals.

Allhamdullilah I am glad I dont have to go through any of these ordeals

are you sure bro

 

[imrankhannsu]

are you sure bro

If you like being trampled by bhes (cows) or poking objects through your skin then I think you might want to seek help

 

[Hornbill]

If you like being trampled by bhes (cows) or poking objects through your skin then I think you might want to seek help

I don't support these kind of activities imo government should ban these kind of religious practices including circumcision without any medical need

 

[Dios]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/indian-vi...soHoATeokU0VPeCObP-tywER60dhgfyYvTXkcnl_K00lj

The cow is holy in India and you have to respect their belief.

But this is animal cruelty. Look the poor cows, they are under stress, confusion and look scared.

You cannot in the name of any religion allow animals to be treated in such a way! Surely if you believe it's holy, you'd give it more respect?

Errm I take it that you don't celebrate Eid-ul-Adha then?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Errm I take it that you don't celebrate Eid-ul-Adha then?

I would stop and think before you start to type erm.


People from all religions and none are involved in animal cruelty. Halal method is designed to stop cruelty. Stick to the topic.

Only Hindus believe the Cow is holy, so surely they should have a higher standard of respect for this animal?

 

[Patriot]

Are we really the ones to talk about animal cruelty?

We slaughter millions of animals every year on Eid, and then hang them upside down and skin them while the other animals are watching. They are also stressed, confused and scared.

If your fake concern for animals is more than just a pretext to mock Hindu rituals, you would also have a problem with Eid-ul-Azha, but I don’t remember you criticizing the practice.

Killing animals for meat is very different to torturing/stressing/scaring them for pleasure. Eid allows for poor people to be fed and the food isn’t wasted. There are rules around how an animal should be treated in Islam, including when doing Zibah. However, you are right that these rules aren’t practiced and compliance is poor, such as breaking legs of cows and camels before Zibah, which is a disgusting practice.

 

[Mamoon]

Killing animals for meat is very different to torturing/stressing/scaring them for pleasure. Eid allows for poor people to be fed and the food isn’t wasted. There are rules around how an animal should be treated in Islam, including when doing Zibah. However, you are right that these rules aren’t practiced and compliance is poor, such as breaking legs of cows and camels before Zibah, which is a disgusting practice.

I was highlighting the renowned and well-documented hypocrisy of the OP who has no issues with criticizing a hindu ritual but has no issues with how animals are treated in an Islamic ritual.

I don’t have problem with killings animals for meat. I don’t think it is ethical but I also don’t think the entire world can rely on veganism. However, we cannot deny that the method of slaughter is ancient and barbaric. It is was practiced in ancient civilizations as a sacrifice to their gods long before the advent of Islam or even the birth of Prophet Ibrahim.

It is a propaganda to claim that it is the best available method. Those who insist should be asked whether they would like to die by getting shot/stunned or by getting slaughtered, and they would be quick to chose the first two options in spite of their disingenuous claims that slaughtering is more merciful.

Slaughtering is a brutal method and it should be banned in this day and age. We need to realize that there were no alternative methods during the time of Prophet Ibrahim and Prophet Muhammad. Nowadays, it is possible to sedate the animals and to kill them without any pain, and if such methods were available then there is no reason why the Prophet wouldn’t have advocated them.

 

[Patriot]

The problem with sedating/stunning the animal to put them to sleep is that whilst it will work for larger animals, such as cows, it doesn’t work for smaller animals like chickens. Chickens have known to die from low stunning and therefore you are pretty much doing Zibah on a dead animal making it haram to eat.

 

[big_gamer007]

I was highlighting the renowned and well-documented hypocrisy of the OP who has no issues with criticizing a hindu ritual but has no issues with how animals are treated in an Islamic ritual.

I don’t have problem with killings animals for meat. I don’t think it is ethical but I also don’t think the entire world can rely on veganism. However, we cannot deny that the method of slaughter is ancient and barbaric. It is was practiced in ancient civilizations as a sacrifice to their gods long before the advent of Islam or even the birth of Prophet Ibrahim.

It is a propaganda to claim that it is the best available method. Those who insist should be asked whether they would like to die by getting shot/stunned or by getting slaughtered, and they would be quick to chose the first two options in spite of their disingenuous claims that slaughtering is more merciful.

Slaughtering is a brutal method and it should be banned in this day and age. We need to realize that there were no alternative methods during the time of Prophet Ibrahim and Prophet Muhammad. Nowadays, it is possible to sedate the animals and to kill them without any pain, and if such methods were available then there is no reason why the Prophet wouldn’t have advocated them.

Everyone who has been on PP for more than 2 weeks knows OPs life revolves around India/Indians .

On topic, isn't Halal method used to cut throat of an Animal and let it bleed out till death? I know in this method entire blood and impurities are drained out and the Animal is fit to be consumed, but isn't it a more painful and cruel way to slaughter an animal where the animal has to yearn for hours before it dies?

Sikhs use the method called Jhatka, where the animal is killed in 1 blow. The blood isn't fully drained out in this method, however, Sikhs consider this method less cruel.

Is my understanding about Halal process correct? Or is there another way the Animal is massacred in Halal method?

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Treating them with cow dung and urine..

You cant be serious.

 

[Mamoon]

The problem with sedating/stunning the animal to put them to sleep is that whilst it will work for larger animals, such as cows, it doesn’t work for smaller animals like chickens. Chickens have known to die from low stunning and therefore you are pretty much doing Zibah on a dead animal making it haram to eat.

The ruling needs to be revised by the scholars. If it is halal to eat a dead animal who has been hunted, why is it a problem to eat a freshly dead chicken? Zibah is barbaric and I personally feel it should not be allowed when more merciful alternatives are available today.

 

[Mamoon]

Everyone who has been on PP for more than 2 weeks knows OPs life revolves around India/Indians .

On topic, isn't Halal method used to cut throat of an Animal and let it bleed out till death? I know in this method entire blood and impurities are drained out and the Animal is fit to be consumed, but isn't it a more painful and cruel way to slaughter an animal where the animal has to yearn for hours before it dies?

Sikhs use the method called Jhatka, where the animal is killed in 1 blow. The blood isn't fully drained out in this method, however, Sikhs consider this method less cruel.

Is my understanding about Halal process correct? Or is there another way the Animal is massacred in Halal method?

Yes that is the halal method, and it is brutal. This method of slaughter is not unique or Islam - it has been used for thousands of years across different cultures. However, today quicker and less painful alternatives are available which should be used.

 

[Zeshan547]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] don't indulge in topics which you don't have much knowledge of, keep your rants out of Islamic practices mufti sahab.

 

[troodon]

Treating them with cow dung and urine..

You cant be serious.

It is part of Ayurveda or Indian medicine. Ayurveda believes that cow urine and dung has medicinal values. Hence you see it being used in traditional Indian medicine. You will see such stuff in Chinese medicine too.

 

[Patriot]

Yes that is the halal method, and it is brutal. This method of slaughter is not unique or Islam - it has been used for thousands of years across different cultures. However, today quicker and less painful alternatives are available which should be used.

No point debating this anymore. You can then start questioning everything in Islam, from we should now eat pork to not giving Zakaat or why do we believe in Angels.

Just to make it clear, I’m not saying these things shouldn’t be debated, but that I’m not willing to debate these things as I’m not a scholar.

 

[JaDed]

Everyone who has been on PP for more than 2 weeks knows OPs life revolves around India/Indians .

On topic, isn't Halal method used to cut throat of an Animal and let it bleed out till death? I know in this method entire blood and impurities are drained out and the Animal is fit to be consumed, but isn't it a more painful and cruel way to slaughter an animal where the animal has to yearn for hours before it dies?

Sikhs use the method called Jhatka, where the animal is killed in 1 blow. The blood isn't fully drained out in this method, however, Sikhs consider this method less cruel.

Is my understanding about Halal process correct? Or is there another way the Animal is massacred in Halal method?

Well said about OP, if you would had shared the news i would had ranted and maybe there would be some sensible discussion, nothing will happen now..

 

[kk1992]

I failed to understand the so called "I care" population.

End result is, animal is dead.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] don't indulge in topics which you don't have much knowledge of, keep your rants out of Islamic practices mufti sahab.

Please educate me.

I am also glad to know that getting slaughtered is your preferred way of dying, since it is supposed to be the quickest, cleanest and the most painless method.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Great topic OP. It has got Mamoon engaged on defence of India which means at least both sides are getting a hearing.

 

[big_gamer007]

Well said about OP, if you would had shared the news i would had ranted and maybe there would be some sensible discussion, nothing will happen now..

Yes that is the halal method, and it is brutal. This method of slaughter is not unique or Islam - it has been used for thousands of years across different cultures. However, today quicker and less painful alternatives are available which should be used.

So isn't it a form of animal cruelty? Wherein you are torturing an animal till death? I think with modern technologies and advancements such old practices can be abolished. You can kill the animal without the torture and still remove the blood/impurities which is what is actually required as per Halal beliefs???

But I suppose the way of killing gets linked with religion so will be impossible to make any change without a huge protest. No one wants to get into that hassle for little gain (politically).
[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] There are few posters like OP who have been repeating same stuff for 8-10 years (you will find old threads when they get bumped, similar posts like this). Someone who is going on and on non stop for 8+ years about people/country they supposedly don't even like is the definition of being obsessed. Just ignore them and carry out discussions with others for such topics, let those guys have their kick by scoring couple of brownie points before [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] comes and snatches the points from them as well.

 

[Patriot]

The only person who can truly make a case for animal cruelty and not be a hypocrite is someone who is vegetarian. It doesn’t matter which method of killing you support, you are still supporting the death of an animal, unless you are a vegetarian.

 

[JaDed]

The only person who can truly make a case for animal cruelty and not be a hypocrite is someone who is vegetarian. It doesn’t matter which method of killing you support, you are still supporting the death of an animal, unless you are a vegetarian.

Im a vegetarian but i feel guilty at times for the dairy industry as well, I do drink organic pasture raised milk but am pretty sure once the cows are exploited they become organic pasture raised beef.

In India it was easier to be a vegetarian, atleast consciously, in western countries Veganism is the only way where someone is not really a hypocrite.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Great topic OP. It has got Mamoon engaged on defence of India which means at least both sides are getting a hearing.

Some strange responses. Indian public should really take this issue seriously, the animal in question is regarded as holy, for some the same as God. The animals are very scared, not wanting to trample on anyone. I have no obsession with India because Im not the one on a majority Indian forum, this is a news story doing the rounds in various media. Cows should be protected by other Hindus imo.

The only person who can truly make a case for animal cruelty and not be a hypocrite is someone who is vegetarian. It doesn’t matter which method of killing you support, you are still supporting the death of an animal, unless you are a vegetarian.

Killing an animal is not cruel. You need to understand the definition of cruelty. Being cruel is causing physical or mental harm. If done correctly an animal can be killed without cruelty and it;s a source of food for humans so there is a good reason for doing so. Yes many people kill animals in cruel ways and this story is also on of cruelty.

 

[JaDed]

I hope [MENTION=44256]Patriot[/MENTION] and other posters understand the definition of cruelty now, coz killing isn’t cruelty anymore..

 

[msaaim89]

Another strange tradition on the news again.
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]



https://www.rt.com/news/472315-indian-cow-dung-festival/

No bull: WATCH Indians engage in massive COW DUNG fight for Gore Habba festival

31 Oct, 2019 19:28

Getting smeared in moist bovine discharge is hardly a pleasant experience for most, but revelers at the Gore Habba festival are happy to hold massive cow dung fights, believing it has a healing effect.

The fecal festival is a customary annual event that takes place at the village of Gumatapura, located in southern India. Each year after the Deepavali holiday, the villagers – and anyone willing to join them – partake in a massive excrement-throwing ordeal.

The cow dung – used in rural India for various purposes, ranging from insulating houses to serving as stove fuel – is stockpiled well before the event to ensure that the revelers do not run out of ‘ammo.’ While it might look quite unsanitary to smear your whole body in feces, the devotees believe it is not only harmless, but actually cures diseases.

Cow dung is very natural and has a lot of medicinal benefits. Others might say if we throw cow dung at each other we will get some infections or even some disease. But with the trust of our god Beereshwara, we are playing in the cow dung, so nothing happens to us,” one of the villagers, going only by his first name Prabhu, explained.

He added that the festival was all about equality and anyone regardless of their caste or religion can participate. Still, women are barred from the excrement-throwing part, yet they are free to watch the show.

The tradition comes from the belief that remains of a saint were placed in a pit in the village, and took the shape of a Linga (an abstract phallic representation of Shiva), which became covered by cow excrements over time. The deity of the village is believed to value cow excrements too, thus the villagers dump the substance in abundance behind the local temple.

 

[Patriot]

Some strange responses. Indian public should really take this issue seriously, the animal in question is regarded as holy, for some the same as God. The animals are very scared, not wanting to trample on anyone. I have no obsession with India because Im not the one on a majority Indian forum, this is a news story doing the rounds in various media. Cows should be protected by other Hindus imo.





Killing an animal is not cruel. You need to understand the definition of cruelty. Being cruel is causing physical or mental harm. If done correctly an animal can be killed without cruelty and it;s a source of food for humans so there is a good reason for doing so. Yes many people kill animals in cruel ways and this story is also on of cruelty.

Islam only allows the killing of animals for the purpose of food and hence why it is permissible. However, you are still taking a life and there is pain involved. I believe we eat far too much meat today and I’m guilty of it as well. During the time of the Prophet SAW, meat was not eaten as frequently, hence why I believe the practices of slaughter were much better and more ethical than they are today. Our demand for meat has resulted in an industry that carries out barbaric practices (and I’m not talking about just Halal) to satisfy demand.