Indians, which battle was more hurtful? Sachin vs McGrath 03 WC final or Kohli vs Amir 17 CT final?

[Ahmad Shah]

legendary and great players face each other in many battles
for example sachin and mcgrath had many classic battles
many times sachin dominated mcgrath
but the moment which actually count is a worldcup final where mcgrath had a last laugh

similarly kohli had few interesting battles with amir
after tough battle kohli took his team home in asia cup 2016

But nothing could be bigger than an ICC EVENT FINAL
n today Amir had last laugh at virat
similarity between 2003 WC final and CT 2017 Final is very simple
in 2003 indian hopes were shattered when sachin was cheaply dismissed
in 2017 CT Final again indian hopes shattered when virat dismissed cheaply

MY QUESTION TO U IS THAT WHICH MOMENT WAS MORE HEARTBREAKING??

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Man Amir really made Kohli look Ashrafoolish today

 

[Ahmad Shah]

Virat failed today when his nation wanted him the most
he is a choker in icc events
before this final
he had been destroyed by mitchell johnson in semi final WC 2015

 

[Varun]

Sachin wasn't going to win that game even if he survived, so I suppose Kohli was the bigger wicket to lose.

 

[pillionrider]

Look, I don't want to sound like trying to diminish the epic thrashing given to us today, but a WC is just different.

That felt really bad.

If today happened against any other team other than Pakistan, it would have been like 'Ok, this happens once in a while.'

It's only because it was against Pakistan that it even matters.

 

[Snow]

One was World Cup, nothing beats that. CT trophy, we won in 2013 but i always cherish WC over it. Would have loved Tendulkar to stay with Sehwag and win that wC.

 

[amax]

Indian hopes shattered when 340 was scored on both occasions , not many teams are going to score 340 in a final game.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Kohli vs Amir

Kohli was lucky in the T20 WC also against Amir. There too Amir made Rohit look like a total noob.

 

[Crafty_Indian]

Both are equally bad but the Sachin one hurt more coz it came in the world Cup finals to a much superior team.

 

[Itachi]

Sachin. That final was a nightmare.

 

[Madplayer]

Both are equally bad but the Sachin one hurt more coz it came in the world Cup finals to a much superior team.

You really think sachin would have made a difference there? I dont think so. On the contrary, kohli could have won his team this game because he has a habit of doing it. Kohli's ineptness today proved to be a massive blow for India.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

A World Cup final is always going to hurt more. You don't always get a chance to play in a World Cup final. It was a different time in Indian cricket, and the loss in the final was devastating. This loss tonight doesn't hurt tbh. We do pretty well in ICC tournaments and against Pakistan, so I can live with it.

Having said that though, Kohli was completely owned tonight by Aamir.

 

[Slog]

Can't compare World Cup to a champions trophy

But then again there was no way India were winning the 03 final whereas this was doable if Kohli fired

 

[Varun]

You really think sachin would have made a difference there? I dont think so. On the contrary, kohli could have won his team this game because he has a habit of doing it. Kohli's ineptness today proved to be a massive blow for India.

Sehwag would have won us the game had he not run himself out stupidly.

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[big_gamer007]

I had 0 expectations from India in 2003 after Australia batted us out of the game so always knew we were going to lose that match..

This one I gave India 30% chance after Pakistani innings but as soon as Rohit got out in the first over I knew we are going to lose.. If rohit had survived for 5-6 overs and then Kohli came on once the initial burst was over from Amir he would have made sure we would have won..

 

[Madplayer]

Sehwag would have won us the game had he not run himself out stupidly.

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When those 3 wickets fell early, there was no way Aussies would have let sehwag or anyone come back into the game. They were ruthless and took the game from the scruff of the neck. Also chasing 350 that time was unthinkable.

Today Kohli could have won India the game. He has done it and teams do chase these scores nowadays once in a while.

Impact wise , kohli's wicket today was a bigger loss than sachin's or even sehwag's in 03 WC.

 

[dhump]

I dont think Sachin could have won you guys that game anyways Australia was too good always.

Virat on the flip side was perfect man to chase this down so bigger wicket by Amir.

 

[big_gamer007]

Sehwag would have won us the game had he not run himself out stupidly.

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360 is just too much in that era against those bowlers.. Even if Sehwag stayed on there was very little chance we would have won as it would have needed a 200 run innings from Sehwag which was never heard of in that era.. Maybe it would have been the first but chances were pretty low of us winning..

Tonight we had a chance to win but Kohli needed to come in after first 8 overs were over.. Rohit got out in the first over which meant we lost the match there and then..

 

[English August]

2003 final definitely. India always saw Aus as our arch enemy (especially coming after that epic 2000-01 series) against whom we wanted to do well. And they were the team to beat during that era.

No disrespect, but Pak aren't the team to beat in this era.

 

[Smbhayi]

for me this one actually. coz we're the favorite here (BTW I support SA in this CT). on 2003 they're the underdogs so even a final entry was a satisfaction for us.

 

[Smbhayi]

2003 final definitely. India always saw Aus as our arch enemy (especially coming after that epic 2000-01 series) against whom we wanted to do well. And they were the team to beat during that era.

No disrespect, but Pak aren't the team to beat in this era.

Sarcasm?

 

[Sirris]

Surely Kohli one has to be the worst.

Kohli, the established God when chasing.

Amir got him out two times in a row.

The first time he was given a new life. Just to tease with the Indian's heart.

Then on the next ball he was respectfully shown the way back to the pavilion.

Total dominance. Complete humiliation!

Quick someone remind me again what his average in chasing is?

 

[Pollack]

WC 2003 was really painful. Remember being disappointed a lot.
This is one of our worst defeat but more embarrassing than disappointing or hurtful.

 

[Sirris]

I dont think Sachin could have won you guys that game anyways Australia was too good always.

Virat on the flip side was perfect man to chase this down so bigger wicket by Amir.

Tendulkar was never known for his skills when chasing.

Kholi is going through his peak years as a batsman. Indias new mega superstar.

He is an undisputed king when it comes to chasing. Everyone knows he is the man to count on. It is his domain. No one can teach him anything in this field.

In this whole tournament he has shown great form and was out only once against Sri Lanka. In rest of the matches no one has managed to take his wicket.

Then came Amir. Your average bowler from across the street.

Got his number. TWICE, on two consecutive balls.

Let's call it a fluke.
The newbie got lucky.

 

[Sirris]

Let's call it a fluke.
The newbie got lucky.

BTW, that's what was said when amir got Tendulkar in CT09.

Tendulkar supposedly always gifts his wickets to newbies.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

lol so now Champions trophy doesnt matter
This was the 3rd most watched match in the history of cricket.

 

[dhump]

Tendulkar was never known for his skills when chasing.

Kholi is going through his peak years as a batsman. Indias new mega superstar.

He is an undisputed king when it comes to chasing. Everyone knows he is the man to count on. It is his domain. No one can teach him anything in this field.

In this whole tournament he has shown great form and was out only once against Sri Lanka. In rest of the matches no one has managed to take his wicket.

Then came Amir. Your average bowler from across the street.

Got his number. TWICE, on two consecutive balls.

Let's call it a fluke.
The newbie got lucky.

You can call it whatever you want ... I would call it a sheer brilliance and a great ending to a movie that is made on Amirs comeback story.

 

[dhump]

lol so now Champions trophy doesnt matter
This was the 3rd most watched match in the history of cricket.

did they already started saying ??

 

[Specialisttailender]

2003 for sure as it was during WC Final. We didn't have T20 World cup every 2 years like now and we hadn't gone to a WC final in a long time and most people hadn't watched the 83 WC on TV. It was a big deal, VERY BIG DEAL. We didn't have internet so the oppositions always had some kind of mystery. Australia was the mighty power I remember praying SL would chase 215 or something that that Australia were restricted to during the SF but they defended their total anyway. I had a very bad feeling from the beginning and when it started we were out from ball 1. Sachin played a stupid shot just like Dhoni played one today.

While this one hurts it doesn't really hurt as much as 2003. When ever we lose I always think about 2011 WC victory and convince myself it is all okay.

 

[Ahmad Shah]

when will we see another amir vs virat battle??
this time perhaps virat has to take face threats on both fronts i.e amir and junaid at both ends

 

[GBK_Fan]

The recent one always hurts more :d

 

[Deewana]

Tendulkar was poor man's Kohli anyways

 

[Sirris]

You can call it whatever you want ... I would call it a sheer brilliance and a great ending to a movie that is made on Amirs comeback story.

Bro, sarcasm.

I love team Pakistan. Amir is a champ.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Kohli's wicket just proved if there is a little movement even the best of batsmen can get into trouble. Kohli did make a mistake to try and whip a swinging delivery which was going towards his off-stump towards the leg side. It is a shot which has brought him plenty of runs and 9/10 times he would play it for 4. But today the ball was swinging and it made all the difference.

Sachin, got out to a shortish ball. I don't think Sachin got out to a great delivery. It was just the pressure of the score Australia had posted so to me Sachin getting out to Mcgrath would be the bigger loss. But in those days it would have been impossible for India to chase down such a score.

 

[Crafty_Indian]

You really think sachin would have made a difference there? I dont think so. On the contrary, kohli could have won his team this game because he has a habit of doing it. Kohli's ineptness today proved to be a massive blow for India.

It's not about winning this game. The hunger and passion and the prestige of a world Cup victory is galaxies ahead of this champions trophy. Moreover we were the defending champions of this trophy going into this tournament.

Kohli is a mighty fine player and despite all things said and done this team has achieved a lot of success that these losses aren't that hurtful whereas that final and the stage we were at in our development as a cricket nation + playing against the best limited overs team in ages combined to be a more dispiriting and psychological defeat.

Most funny thing is our team is still good enough with probably a few replacements to make another final at the world Cup and win it. Such is the professionalism in our setup.

 

[Black Zero]

Vk

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

I saw the '86 game live on TV. That hurt a lot more.

Hearty congrats once again to Pakistan fans. However, this loss is nowhere compared. For one, we were blown away yesterday. In 1986 we were ahead till the last ball.

It hurts as always to lose to Pakistan, but when you're beaten so badly as yesterday, it is what it is.

 

[MMHS]

Sachin wasn't going to win that game even if he survived, so I suppose Kohli was the bigger wicket to lose.

Is Kohli that good to turn around an 180 run's defeat? I think, you are over estimating him big time here - and he came at 0/1, losing Sharma. Tendulkar had a better chance to target 360 at J'burg with his colleagues, which is a far better scoring ground than Oval. In less than 2 years time, SAF actually chased 438 against AUS there, but definitely inferior attack.

 

[Varun]

Is Kohli that good to turn around an 180 run's defeat? I think, you are over estimating him big time here - and he came at 0/1, losing Sharma. Tendulkar had a better chance to target 360 at J'burg with his colleagues, which is a far better scoring ground than Oval. In less than 2 years time, SAF actually chased 438 against AUS there, but definitely inferior attack.

We were in the exact same position in the Asia Cup game of 2012, where we lost Gambhir for a duck and Kohli walked out at 0/1.

If anything, Kohli and Tendulkar were then at the crease in that game, on a similar road to the one we saw at The Oval. Guess who took us home?

 

[MMHS]

We were in the exact same position in the Asia Cup game of 2012, where we lost Gambhir for a duck and Kohli walked out at 0/1.

If anything, Kohli and Tendulkar were then at the crease in that game, on a similar road to the one we saw at The Oval. Guess who took us home?

I grew up close to that Asia cup venue - you have absolutely no idea what it's like batting at Mirpur under light with dew pouring like rain & what it's like chasing 338 at Oval. This Oval track was anything but road - it had pace, carry & ball will always swing in UK, for those who knows how to swing it - on top of that, without dew or rain, ball will reverse, which you won't find in any Asian D/N match for the wet condition. Not to mention the difference between the set of attacks in those 2 matches - Gul, Cheema & Wahab would have won it for IND even at Oval this time as well.