India's approach compared to Pakistan's batting approach in T20 cricket

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India's approach is actually based on aggressive starts, stable middle-order partnerships and powerful finishes on the other hand Pakistan's strategy starts with cautious beginnings, gradual acceleration, and look for better conclusions in which they usually fail to achieve their desrired target.

Massive diference in both teams is the intension to go big, Pakistan's openers like Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan often adopt a more cautious approach in the powerplay in which they mostly focus on preserving wickets and building a solid foundation for the innings which actually harm ur whole momentum.

So the basic difference is between the mindset of the captains because if u see Rohit Sharma is aggressive and doesn't care about any statpadding and tries to get maximum in power play while other one is more diffensive and mostly play for himself so until u don't get any agressive player as your captain we wont be able to compete with any team in this format.

 
Ridiculous to compare India and Pakistani batsmen. Pakistani batters are very limited hacks who are very easy to tie down. Indian batters are capable of 360 stroke play and are way ahead in terms of game awareness, mental toughness.
 
The wickets in Pakistan are the issue. There's no way a batsman can develop 360 degrees shot making skills on wickets that are poor standard.

Until that improves, Pakistan will always lag in quality bats at the highest level
 
Nah india approach is also outdated

We have better player than this currently playing but still selecting useless Dube and Fraud Jadeja

Kohli also not performing .
if u talk about his intent so he always geting out while hitting the ball
 
The wickets in Pakistan are the issue. There's no way a batsman can develop 360 degrees shot making skills on wickets that are poor standard.

Until that improves, Pakistan will always lag in quality bats at the highest level

Wickets in PSL are generally flat and good for high scoring. You very rarely see our batters play innovative shots like reverse sweeps, scoops, reverse flicks, reverse pulls, piercing the off side field against the wide yorker. Foreign batters do way better vs local Pakistani batsmen.
 
2021 after Pakistan loss Kohli said "We were a bit timid"
2022 again India was timid against rubbish English bowling line up
That is when Rohit decided to change the approach in 2023 world cup. He has been maintaining that. It is one thing to have the approach. It is another thing to execute it. I thought Rohit's reflexes are shot and he was not good enough to do that. He surprised us by batting aggressively on variety of tricky, tacky surfaces.
 
Nah india approach is also outdated

We have better player than this currently playing but still selecting useless Dube and Fraud Jadeja

Kohli also not performing .
It does not matter if useless and fraud are batting but they still wouldn't be plodding along. They would rather get out trying. That's the approach Rohit has brought to this team. Even today Jadeja came in and scored quick runs on a tough pitch. Dube went after the first ball he faced and got out which is better than 2022 WC where teams were just scoring at 7 an over ended up on relying completely on Surya to do all the hitting in the end.
 
2021 after Pakistan loss Kohli said "We were a bit timid"
2022 again India was timid against rubbish English bowling line up
That is when Rohit decided to change the approach in 2023 world cup. He has been maintaining that. It is one thing to have the approach. It is another thing to execute it. I thought Rohit's reflexes are shot and he was not good enough to do that. He surprised us by batting aggressively on variety of tricky, tacky surfaces.
The fact of the matter is that if Virat was still playing like 2022 he could have easily scored couple of 40 ball 50's which in this approach cannot happen. Virat goes after the bowling and gets out in single digits as the run a ball crap which was happening in 2022 is not going to happen this time.
 
The wickets in Pakistan are the issue. There's no way a batsman can develop 360 degrees shot making skills on wickets that are poor standard.

Until that improves, Pakistan will always lag in quality bats at the highest level
SKY is an exception not a norm, flat pitches should yield atleast Flat track bullies, even two of them one opener one middle will do wonders for PCT.

PCT had agressive players 80-2000s how can the pitches regress
 
India can come up with a line up that can defeat this main Indian line up.

Please. Bumrah and Kuldeep are the best India has ever pro
2021 after Pakistan loss Kohli said "We were a bit timid"
2022 again India was timid against rubbish English bowling line up
That is when Rohit decided to change the approach in 2023 world cup. He has been maintaining that. It is one thing to have the approach. It is another thing to execute it. I thought Rohit's reflexes are shot and he was not good enough to do that. He surprised us by batting aggressively on variety of tricky, tacky surfaces.

Rohit is a true leader. He's embraced and led the change from the top. Truly deserves an ICC title. Full respect.
 
Please. Bumrah and Kuldeep are the best India has ever pro


Rohit is a true leader. He's embraced and led the change from the top. Truly deserves an ICC title. Full respect.

Only those two. But India has bowlers like Bishnoi , mystery bowler suyas, Varun C. Harshit Rana is a much better bowler than Siraj. Bumrah is the only one who is unique. INdia has Jaiswal, Gill, Ruturaj, Sai Sudarshan, Tilak Varma, Samson, Shreyas Iyer, Venky Iyer, Rinku singh, Paragh, Abhishek sharma, Patidar and a lot more. Lot of them are multi skilled.
 
Nah india approach is also outdated

We have better player than this currently playing but still selecting useless Dube and Fraud Jadeja

Kohli also not performing .
i dont think so

they are doing good with such approach which means its working for India
 
i dont think so

they are doing good with such approach which means its working for India
It’s covering the weaklinks- Dube Jaddu and Kohli..
Happens to us everytime except 2011 wc where teams being selected based on form and pitch.
 
It’s covering the weaklinks- Dube Jaddu and Kohli..
Happens to us everytime except 2011 wc where teams being selected based on form and pitch.
Well dube is obviously a surprise pick when u already have Jaiswal sitting on the bench but for kohli i would say he is on a lean patch right now and should be given some benefit as he already won ao many matches for india.
 
Dube went after the first ball he faced and got out which is better than 2022 WC where teams were just scoring at 7 an over ended up on relying completely on Surya to do all the hitting in the end.
Sorry I can't let that sentence go by. Dube came in and prodded at the ball with zero confidence or intent to score. The only intent shown was to prove he is a loser that has been outrageously backed almost out of ego. Because today would've been the day to throw him into the cauldron if you really thought he was worth it. Instead they tried to hide him away.
 
The fact of the matter is that if Virat was still playing like 2022 he could have easily scored couple of 40 ball 50's which in this approach cannot happen. Virat goes after the bowling and gets out in single digits as the run a ball crap which was happening in 2022 is not going to happen this time.
Issue is jaiswal and Abhishek sharma are both showing to Rohit and kohli.There is serious pressure on both of them to emulate juniors care free hitting and kohli is unable to do it on slow wi wickets and even worst is his ego not accepting it.
 
Issue is jaiswal and Abhishek sharma are both showing to Rohit and kohli.There is serious pressure on both of them to emulate juniors care free hitting and kohli is unable to do it on slow wi wickets and even worst is his ego not accepting it.
Best place that type of batting would have worked was against Australia. Good even paced batting wicket. Even there he holed out.
 
Best place that type of batting would have worked was against Australia. Good even paced batting wicket. Even there he holed out.
Kohli should let go of his ego for team sake.Dravid and rohit should let go of their stupidity for finals sake
 
Kohli should let go of his ego for team sake.Dravid and rohit should let go of their stupidity for finals sake
The team is not going to change for the finals and after this tournament both Rohit and Virat will be gone from this format. They for sure aren't going to play T20Is after this WC, they only stayed on to play this WC. In the last 2 years since 2022 WC Rohit and Virat had only played 2 T20Is each before the Afghanistan series. So nothing is going to change as it is their farewell game.
 
The team is not going to change for the finals and after this tournament both Rohit and Virat will be gone from this format. They for sure aren't going to play T20Is after this WC, they only stayed on to play this WC. In the last 2 years since 2022 WC Rohit and Virat had only played 2 T20Is each before the Afghanistan series. So nothing is going to change as it is their farewell game.
True. An year back nobody would have believed Rohit and Kohli would be part of this squad. They were repatedly not picked for any tour. It looked like they were phased out. But world cup 2023 changed everything. They did well there. They used that to push their case. Here we are in the final. Not that Kohli did anything. But Rohit has stepped up like never before.
 
Its it time for them to be let go in this format. We have folks waiting to fill in their shoes and play the game as it needs to be played today.
 
True. An year back nobody would have believed Rohit and Kohli would be part of this squad. They were repatedly not picked for any tour. It looked like they were phased out. But world cup 2023 changed everything. They did well there. They used that to push their case. Here we are in the final. Not that Kohli did anything. But Rohit has stepped up like never before.
Rohit really wants to win this. He tried his best in the WC 2023 as well where his approach was refreshing but he did not get much support from others
 
Its it time for them to be let go in this format. We have folks waiting to fill in their shoes and play the game as it needs to be played today.
They are letting it go, it is their unofficial farewell.
 
True. An year back nobody would have believed Rohit and Kohli would be part of this squad. They were repatedly not picked for any tour. It looked like they were phased out. But world cup 2023 changed everything. They did well there. They used that to push their case. Here we are in the final. Not that Kohli did anything. But Rohit has stepped up like never before.
Hypothetically if Kohli replacement fails in the final, his cult followers in SM ( which is huge by the way ) would eat that guy alive.
 
Indian batters are well ahead of Pakistan in skills , adaptability , mental strength , strokeplay , game plan , fitness.
 
As far as pakistan goes 2000 Pakistan team would absolutely decimate this current Pakistan team. Pakistan had way more aggressive players in their set up.
The Pakistan of today is getting decimated by the likes of Afghanistan and USA.
There's simply no comparison between the Pakistan of the 2000s and that of today.
 
India can come up with a line up that can defeat this main Indian line up.
As an Indian fan, it's always super cringing to see statements like this.

Bumrah, Kuldeep, Sky and Hardik are four players for which their are no replacements in backup or anything. Stop deluding yourself that there is magically a backup xi of indian players who can beat this team.

If Indian PPers are to believe then we are favorites to lose every match we play in.
 
The biggest disappointment for me is Pakistani players losing that aura and swagger of the past, and it shows in their cricketer. Look at even mediocre Pakistani players from the 90s, they look true alphas, unlike the current sorry bunch.
 
Nah india approach is also outdated

We have better player than this currently playing but still selecting useless Dube and Fraud Jadeja

Kohli also not performing .
3 passengers in the team and we still made it to the finals. :O
Rohit has delivered outstandingly.
 
Hypothetically if Kohli replacement fails in the final, his cult followers in SM ( which is huge by the way ) would eat that guy alive.
What could go wrong? I think Jaiswal can do better than Kohli atm. Rohit needs to let go of his reputation and think for the team. Yeah, India is winning the games but sometimes you need to let go of your best player who is out of form.
 
Approach is one thing, you should also be able to execute it. India has quality players capable of doing that. Pakistan, even if they follow an aggressive approach they won't be able to execute it. Just not good enough.
 
We are carrying two passengers in Dube and Kohli. Kohli atleast can hit a useful knock if not so anxious.. but Dube simply doesn't have it in him to perform at this level.

If Indian think tank assumes that he will be fed spinners everytime he comes to bat, they really underestimate the opposition's intellect.
 
Sorry I can't let that sentence go by. Dube came in and prodded at the ball with zero confidence or intent to score. The only intent shown was to prove he is a loser that has been outrageously backed almost out of ego. Because today would've been the day to throw him into the cauldron if you really thought he was worth it. Instead they tried to hide him away.
This.

For the first time ever, I'm reading that a 1st ball duck is good for a cricket team, lol.

Matlab kuch bhi!
 
As an Indian fan, it's always super cringing to see statements like this.

Bumrah, Kuldeep, Sky and Hardik are four players for which their are no replacements in backup or anything. Stop deluding yourself that there is magically a backup xi of indian players who can beat this team.

If Indian PPers are to believe then we are favorites to lose every match we play in.
Bumrah is the only guy. Then you are not paying attention to domestic talents and their progress. Remember the Gabba test always. That had no Kohli. No Bumrah. No kuldeep. No Jadeja. No Ashwin.
 
Bumrah is the only guy. Then you are not paying attention to domestic talents and their progress. Remember the Gabba test always. That had no Kohli. No Bumrah. No kuldeep. No Jadeja. No Ashwin.

Which left arm chinaman is there in the domestic circuit to replace Kuldeep? Which pace bowling all rounder is there to replace Pandya right now? the only one nearby who can bowl 130k and bat aggressively is Nitish Reddy but he's had one very good IPL season that's it. His domestic batting record(20 avg in FC and 30 avg in LOI in Domestic) doesn't inspire confidence. Which middle order can replicate what Sky is doing on a consistent basis with high strike rate?

The likes of Abhishek, Parag are extremely good talents but it's weird to say that the backup Indian Xi will beat this XI.
 
Nah india approach is also outdated

We have better player than this currently playing but still selecting useless Dube and Fraud Jadeja

Kohli also not performing .
Lol most teams would love to get someone like Jadeja in their team

He may be slightly out of form but it's ridiculous that he's being termed a fraud.
 
Which left arm chinaman is there in the domestic circuit to replace Kuldeep? Which pace bowling all rounder is there to replace Pandya right now? the only one nearby who can bowl 130k and bat aggressively is Nitish Reddy but he's had one very good IPL season that's it. His domestic batting record(20 avg in FC and 30 avg in LOI in Domestic) doesn't inspire confidence. Which middle order can replicate what Sky is doing on a consistent basis with high strike rate?

The likes of Abhishek, Parag are extremely good talents but it's weird to say that the backup Indian Xi will beat this XI.
Chinaman is a derogatory term, he is a left arm wrist spinner. Yes Kuldeep is incredible and in great form but he is not indispensable. Check how many matches he featured in over the last decade especially in test matches.

Same goes for Pandya. He is no longer playing tests and someone like Lord Shardul has won more matches and series itself for India abroad than Pandya has done. Pandya is not indispensable in the shorter format and his bowling impact is overrated.
 
Chinaman is a derogatory term, he is a left arm wrist spinner. Yes Kuldeep is incredible and in great form but he is not indispensable. Check how many matches he featured in over the last decade especially in test matches.

Same goes for Pandya. He is no longer playing tests and someone like Lord Shardul has won more matches and series itself for India abroad than Pandya has done. Pandya is not indispensable in the shorter format and his bowling impact is overrated.

I'm talking about T20. Pandya is irrelevant in tests for India right now.

Kuldeep and Pandya can't be replaced in T20s.
 
IPL is fun league,
National team selection cannot be done based on only IPL, even if it is a Team for world T20.
Look at the IPL performances of Rohit, Pandya, Dubey and Kohli, and compare their performance in WT20 now, thats completely opposite. In IPL and WT20 conditions as well as seriousness of performance are entirely different.
New IPL Talent is not guarteed to suceed in WI conditions. so its futile to say the bench or backup talent is better than playing eleven.
 
IPL is fun league,
National team selection cannot be done based on only IPL, even if it is a Team for world T20.
Look at the IPL performances of Rohit, Pandya, Dubey and Kohli, and compare their performance in WT20 now, thats completely opposite. In IPL and WT20 conditions as well as seriousness of performance are entirely different.
New IPL Talent is not guarteed to suceed in WI conditions. so its futile to say the bench or backup talent is better than playing eleven.
IPL is a great indicator of how good a player is mentally to withstand pressure. That's why India have been blessed with youngsters who can simply come into the senior team and start delivering from the word go. Especially and ironically in test cricket where we have seen complete unknowns coming and delivering.

Cricket is 50% mental and 50% physical game as they say. Indians used to lack that self belief back in 90s but now any youngster who comes through IPL are bursrling with confidence and self belief. Not foolhardy arrogance but quiet confidence like Jaiswal exudes.
 
One thing I initially regarded as stupid but now i see the benefit is the redundancies in both bowling and batting that this XI has. India has 6 full time bowlers and proven batters till no.8. Even the rest too can hold their bats.

Inclusion of Jaddu and Axar both was criticized but yesterday we saw how they complemented. Jadeja played a nice little cameo when batting was most difficult snd helped India score those crucial runs that took the game firmly away from Eng. And then Axar comes and delivers a MoM bowling performance. This has also left India with option to shuffle its batting if required.

Dube is a joke in my opinion with just one job - smash spinners So far he's been a mixed bag on that front but the sheer variety and depth of this group has meant that someone like him can be carried in the side.

Still would have totally preferred Jaiswal or Rinku
 
Yeah let's compare a top order of Babar,Rizwan,Fakhar,Saim,Usman to Rohit,Kohli,Pant,SKY,Hardik
 
Nothing wrong with Pak batting approach which has won them many matches including world cups and other prestigious events. :inti
 
Which left arm chinaman is there in the domestic circuit to replace Kuldeep? Which pace bowling all rounder is there to replace Pandya right now? the only one nearby who can bowl 130k and bat aggressively is Nitish Reddy but he's had one very good IPL season that's it. His domestic batting record(20 avg in FC and 30 avg in LOI in Domestic) doesn't inspire confidence. Which middle order can replicate what Sky is doing on a consistent basis with high strike rate?

The likes of Abhishek, Parag are extremely good talents but it's weird to say that the backup Indian Xi will beat this XI.
You honestly think Indian batsmen can't pick KUldeep's bowling? Seriously?
 
I'll defend Babar here. Babar doesn't have the same cusion as Rohit so I don't blame him.
 
I'll defend Babar here. Babar doesn't have the same cusion as Rohit so I don't blame him.
It's not only about Babar.... everyone in the team tends to go defensive so it's definitely about the mindset of the whole team.
 
It's not only about Babar.... everyone in the team tends to go defensive so it's definitely about the mindset of the whole team.
As per leaked report, hasn't kirsten accused chacha of trying to hit only in one direction even in nets instead of learning new things.
 
As per leaked report, hasn't kirsten accused chacha of trying to hit only in one direction even in nets instead of learning new things.
positive thing is that he at least tries to hit the ball lol

we are ok with that if the whole team start hitting only to the leg side but just go for it we want that positive intent!
 
positive thing is that he at least tries to hit the ball lol

we are ok with that if the whole team start hitting only to the leg side but just go for it we want that positive intent!
Rizbar took stat padding to a level that even indian batsmen are fearing that of word alone
 
The biggest disappointment for me is Pakistani players losing that aura and swagger of the past, and it shows in their cricketer. Look at even mediocre Pakistani players from the 90s, they look true alphas, unlike the current sorry bunch.
Youngsters are a reflection of their society and their era. The mediocre 90s players from Pakistan were confident because the Nation had just defeated a Superpower (USSR) and society was not yet destroyed. While in India, Manmohan Singh was just starting to open up India so India as a nation was taking baby steps and reaching out.

Today, Pakistan is a basket case with no vision, no plan and no future! How do you expect youngsters to have confidence?

Fix Pakistan and youngsters will gain confidence.
 
As per leaked report, hasn't kirsten accused chacha of trying to hit only in one direction even in nets instead of learning new things.
If he has accused Iffi of this one-directional gameplay then he is right. The whole world knows how pathetic iffi is and why he is not the power-hitter. He cannot even dispatch the full toss balls. WHat else is there to be leaked?

These guys don't want to learn anything because they are too old for this.
 
Bumrah is the only guy. Then you are not paying attention to domestic talents and their progress. Remember the Gabba test always. That had no Kohli. No Bumrah. No kuldeep. No Jadeja. No Ashwin.
You are mixing formats - Tests vs White Ball.

Besides, Gabba is a sample size of 1.
 
Which left arm chinaman is there in the domestic circuit to replace Kuldeep? Which pace bowling all rounder is there to replace Pandya right now? the only one nearby who can bowl 130k and bat aggressively is Nitish Reddy but he's had one very good IPL season that's it. His domestic batting record(20 avg in FC and 30 avg in LOI in Domestic) doesn't inspire confidence. Which middle order can replicate what Sky is doing on a consistent basis with high strike rate?

The likes of Abhishek, Parag are extremely good talents but it's weird to say that the backup Indian Xi will beat this XI.
Exactly!

Abhishek Sharma is only good for flat pitches, and against spinners. Riyan Parag has very limited skills as a batsman. Both would have struggled big time on these wickets. Tilak Varma too.

Jaiswal is pure class though. Samson is good but he'd have struggled on these pitches too. Venky Iyer and Shreyas are poor T20 players, hardly a replacement for Rohit or Kohli.

There are no all-rounders to replace Axar and Jadeja in T20, forget other formats.

On the flattest of wickets, if the current team somehow underperforms, an alternate India XI has a chance -- a modest chance. On a tricky pitch, it'll be a bloody massacre.
 
Jaiswal, Gill, Ruturaj, Abhishek Sharma, Nitish Reddy, Dhruv Jurel, Rinku, Harshit Rana, Bishnoi and a couple of young bowlers can form the crux of the Indian T20 team, going forwards.

Doesn't mean they are world beaters right now.
 
You are mixing formats - Tests vs White Ball.

Besides, Gabba is a sample size of 1.
Having said that, to win a Test Match, that too at Australia's fortress, without major players is a HUGE achievement that can't be discounted.

We won because of Washington Sundar, Shardul (my POTM), Pant, Gill and Siraj. Natarajan took some important wickets as well.

Out of these names, Pant and Siraj are part of the current squad; Gill was among the reserves for this World Cup.
 
Jaiswal, Gill, Ruturaj, Abhishek Sharma, Nitish Reddy, Dhruv Jurel, Rinku, Harshit Rana, Bishnoi and a couple of young bowlers can form the crux of the Indian T20 team, going forwards.

Doesn't mean they are world beaters right now.
Gelling takes time. Assembling the talent is the first step.
 
All are good except Ruturaj. Rutu is another slow starter stat padder type of guy. Would add shashank singh and ashutosh sharma as well as they played well down the order. Samdeep sharma is underrated due to his pace but if folks watched the ipl- he bowled the toughest overs for them when batsmen were on the rampage and not when the score was 20-2. Also Natarrajan- effective at the death- way better than tushar deshpande or siraj.
 
The problem with Pakistani batsmen is a fundamental lack of skill.

We're found wanting we require an ultra-aggressive approach on batting surfaces where 200 is par.

We're found wanting when we require a cautious approach on a tricky surface - see the botched chase vs India in New York.

Our approach to T20 cricket is outdated but we must also acknowledge the lack of basic technical solidity, innovation or situational awareness - even amongst our experienced batsmen who should know better.
 
All are good except Ruturaj. Rutu is another slow starter stat padder type of guy. Would add shashank singh and ashutosh sharma as well as they played well down the order. Samdeep sharma is underrated due to his pace but if folks watched the ipl- he bowled the toughest overs for them when batsmen were on the rampage and not when the score was 20-2. Also Natarrajan- effective at the death- way better than tushar deshpande or siraj.
I think Ruturaj is special. He is the only right-handed bat who is exceptional at playing left-arm spin. And it's all about timing and placement for him against spin. Even SKY struggles against left-arm spin!

He runs hard between wickets, can switch gears when required and is a pretty good fielder to boot.

Captaincy at CSK will only make him better.
 
Natrajan is good at the death but is a liability on the field. Sandeep Sharma needs to perform in a few more seasons to make a solid case. The same goes for Shashank Singh and Ashutosh.
 
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