"India's conditions for granting medical visa highly regrettable" : FO

[hadi123]

A Pakistan foreign affairs ministry spokesperson has said the restrictions placed by India on medical visas were “against diplomatic norms”.

When asked during a questions/answers session of how the ministry felt about India placing an “entire onus of non-issuance of visas” on the people of Pakistan, the spokesperson replied that such restrictions were not placed on other countries.


“It is highly regrettable that India has placed such restrictions on visas for patients who are suffering from serious and terminal illnesses,” he noted.

“Asking for a letter from the foreign affairs adviser is against diplomatic norms. Such a requirement has not been prescribed for any other country. We are making suitable alternative arrangements, both within Pakistan as well as in friendly countries,” said spokesperson Nafees Zakaria.

India had recently imposed sanctions on Pakistan and said only those who had a formal letter from the foreign affairs adviser would be granted visa for medical purposes. This has led to a rise in cases of Pakistani citizens who need to go through a long and painful process to acquire visas for medical care.

The issuance came after tensions between the two countries started to grow rapidly, and India stated that Foreign affairs Adviser Sartaj Aziz would have to review every applicant before Indian High Commission would issue visas.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1469345/indias-conditions-granting-medical-visa-highly-regrettable-fo/

 

[CanadianG00se]

Im just curious as to why so many people from Pakistan visits India for treatment? Is it costly in Pakistan or such treatment isnt available?

Anyways, i hope Indian govt reconsider this and allow genuine Pakistani citizen seeking medical treatment in India.

 

[kaayal]

I am sorry but is that really difficult for the Pakistani foreign office to approve these medical visas??? I mean it's for the treatment of your own people?

 

[troodon]

Im just curious as to why so many people from Pakistan visits India for treatment? Is it costly in Pakistan or such treatment isnt available?

Anyways, i hope Indian govt reconsider this and allow genuine Pakistani citizen seeking medical treatment in India.

First of all it is very cheap. Second, the quality is top notch.

Doctors in India are extremely good at what they do. Recently visited Bangalore Fortis hospital. I saw some non- Indians there. My parents tell me that it is very common for middle eastern patients to visit Hyderabad Apollo Hospitals.

 

[GBK_Fan]

This has been covered extensively in the Indian media. Evidently the Pakistani foreign office is not issuing letters and is not responding to letters from the Indian foreign office. Why can't the Pakistani foreign office issue letters? The Indian foreign office has issued a number of visas skipping the letters. Hopefully Sartaz Aziz wakes up soon

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why isnt Pakistan Foreign Office vetting the visas as being genuine medical case?What is the problem?Ego?

 

[Hornbill]

What about Army hospitals in Pakistan why they are not helping the people. Forget the civilian government, army which claims to protector of people should help them, it's not difficult to hire specialists from other countries if you're not having qualified doctors.

 

[CanadianG00se]

First of all it is very cheap. Second, the quality is top notch.

Doctors in India are extremely good at what they do. Recently visited Bangalore Fortis hospital. I saw some non- Indians there. My parents tell me that it is very common for middle eastern patients to visit Hyderabad Apollo Hospitals.

I know about Indian hospitals being top notched, infact in some cases better than here in Toronto. My aunt got her surgery done in Mumbai, a very complicated surgery done with utmost care. However, I'd like to know the current health care services in Pakistan. Is it top notched?

 

[Black Zero]

Why isnt Pakistan Foreign Office vetting the visas as being genuine medical case?What is the problem?Ego?

its a childish demand from India...next they would ask a letter from PM, president??
This is not a international norm.

 

[Yossarian]

I am sorry but is that really difficult for the Pakistani foreign office to approve these medical visas??? I mean it's for the treatment of your own people?

Demanding that a country's Foreign Office vet an individuals medical condition before being being allowed to receive medical treatement, which in the vast majority of these cases involves urgent life saving treatment where every minute counts?
Are the medical reports from bona fide medical professionals, from recognised medical institutions, not good enough in such urgents cases?

If anything, India should be welcoming such fee paying patients. For not only does it mean chunks of Pakistans scarce foreign reserves being voluntarily handed to India, but also the positive PR generated for India that India could capitalise upon. "Look at our generosity and our big hearts, whilst they support terrorists attacking our populace, we are still willing to ttreat their sick"

 

[Pakpak]

No point crying, if we had spent money on health care instead of looting it then maybe we wouldn't need to be begging our rival.

 

[Varun]

Im just curious as to why so many people from Pakistan visits India for treatment? Is it costly in Pakistan or such treatment isnt available?

Because in India it doesn't cost a bomb and the facilities are state of the art. The industry itself is known as medical tourism, and in any of the immigration counters in South India (Chennai in particular, also Bangalore, Kochi and Hyderabad), besides Indian citizens and overseas tourists, you can see a bunch of people from Middle East / Europe / Africa enter the country for the purpose.

Hope we can offer the service without tangles for Pakistan as well.

 

[SandyB]

Because in India it doesn't cost a bomb and the facilities are state of the art. The industry itself is known as medical tourism, and in any of the immigration counters in South India (Chennai in particular, also Bangalore, Kochi and Hyderabad), besides Indian citizens and overseas tourists, you can see a bunch of people from Middle East / Europe / Africa enter the country for the purpose.

Hope we can offer the service without tangles for Pakistan as well.

True. I'm from Kochi, in Kerala which is emerging as one of the main hubs of MEDICAL TOURISM in the country. Past decade has seen huge number of hospital "chains" come up , most of them run by successful real-estate developers/doctors based around the middle east.

Its the same situation as the IT sector, because of the huge number of Medical graduates and Post-Graduates coming out of the country, the hospitals can basically force them to work much longer hours for lesser pay, since they need the experience and the branding more than anything to make a name . So all the big hospitals are able to give services at much cheaper costs than abroad.

There are a huge number of Arabs coming to my city for ayurvedic/allopathic treatments to the big hospitals here. Even if they are super - speciality priced for normal Indians, they still charge way less compared to healthcare costs in the Middle east (quality is poorer) or West (better quality but extremely costly), that too without compromising too much on quality (which is unlike the IT sector).

 

[kaayal]

Demanding that a country's Foreign Office vet an individuals medical condition before being being allowed to receive medical treatement, which in the vast majority of these cases involves urgent life saving treatment where every minute counts?
Are the medical reports from bona fide medical professionals, from recognised medical institutions, not good enough in such urgents cases?

If anything, India should be welcoming such fee paying patients. For not only does it mean chunks of Pakistans scarce foreign reserves being voluntarily handed to India, but also the positive PR generated for India that India could capitalise upon. "Look at our generosity and our big hearts, whilst they support terrorists attacking our populace, we are still willing to ttreat their sick"

I am a doctor and I am completely against this govt policy of banning medical visa's. But if such a rule exist, the only possible way is to get through it asap. In that process, it's your own Foreign Office that is delaying. Whining is not gonna affect these govt policies. Better to act faster and allow these patients to get these medical care.

And about "the chunks of Pakistan's scarce foreign reserves", tbh they are very less compared to what we get from our middle eastern brothers. If you don't want to give it , develop your own institution and treat yourself.

 

[Yossarian]

I am a doctor and I am completely against this govt policy of banning medical visa's. But if such a rule exist, the only possible way is to get through it asap. In that process, it's your own Foreign Office that is delaying. Whining is not gonna affect these govt policies. Better to act faster and allow these patients to get these medical care.

And about "the chunks of Pakistan's scarce foreign reserves", tbh they are very less compared to what we get from our middle eastern brothers. If you don't want to give it , develop your own institution and treat yourself.

The part underlined and in bold is not backed up by the rest of your post. Perhaps Pakistanis in need of urgent medical treatment would be better off not going to India if medical professionals such as yourself are ready put national politics ahead of concerns for an individuals medical needs.
As for the revenue part, you completely missed the point. hint: The PR value to India as outlined in my post.

And before you accuse me of ad hominem, just remember that it's you that started flaunting your medical credentials in order to make your point.

 

[GBK_Fan]

The part underlined and in bold is not backed up by the rest of your post. Perhaps Pakistanis in need of urgent medical treatment would be better off not going to India if medical professionals such as yourself are ready put national politics ahead of concerns for an individuals medical needs.[\B]
As for the revenue part, you completely missed the point. hint: The PR value to India as outlined in my post.

And before you accuse me of ad hominem, just remember that it's you that started flaunting your medical credentials in order to make your point.

Look who's talking!!

You will prefer your fellow citizens to go without care, because your egoistic government, refuses to engage in dialogue with "the enemy country" despite repeated letters from our external affairs minister, besides being unable to provide adequate medical care within the country. Who needs enemies when they have countrymen like you?

 

[cricketjoshila]

its a childish demand from India...next they would ask a letter from PM, president??
This is not a international norm.

1.India and Pakistan dont have normal friendly relations.

2.India is still willing to give expedited visas to medical cases and their family.

3.There is nothing wrong in asking the Foreign office to verify and vet the applicants as genuine.

Its upto pakistan FO to decide what they want to do.Pakistanis face extreme vetting for visas in US also.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Just look at the twitter feed of sushma swaraj and how she patiently replies to the Pakistani visa appliers and here Pakistani foreign office isnt willing to certify the genuineness of the applicants.
[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION]

Visa isnt a right its a priviledge.Medical visas are expedited and many countries do extra vetting before giving visas to citizens of certain countries.

 

[kaayal]

The part underlined and in bold is not backed up by the rest of your post. Perhaps Pakistanis in need of urgent medical treatment would be better off not going to India if medical professionals such as yourself are ready put national politics ahead of concerns for an individuals medical needs.
As for the revenue part, you completely missed the point. hint: The PR value to India as outlined in my post.

And before you accuse me of ad hominem, just remember that it's you that started flaunting your medical credentials in order to make your point.

These medical professionals have no power to influence the govt in these kind of foreign matters. I just suggested the realistic thing that is possible for those patients. That's all.

And i flaunt my medical degree only to point out that i can understand their pain much better than a non medical person and that's why i am against it. I didn't mean to be rude or anything.

 

[English August]

Demanding that a country's Foreign Office vet an individuals medical condition before being being allowed to receive medical treatement, which in the vast majority of these cases involves urgent life saving treatment where every minute counts?
Are the medical reports from bona fide medical professionals, from recognised medical institutions, not good enough in such urgents cases?

If anything, India should be welcoming such fee paying patients. For not only does it mean chunks of Pakistans scarce foreign reserves being voluntarily handed to India, but also the positive PR generated for India that India could capitalise upon. "Look at our generosity and our big hearts, whilst they support terrorists attacking our populace, we are still willing to ttreat their sick"

These are clearly not urgent cases threatening the patient's lives. If these patients can wait weeks for regular paper work, surely they can wait a few more days for the lazy and irresponsive Pak FO to get their act together. After all the onus in on Pak to make this work for their patients. For urgent cases, Sushma Swaraj has personally approved visas in the past.

Also, don't understand why would India care about trying to deplete Pak's forex reserves (impact due to medical tourism would be minuscule anyway). When the Pak is doing a brilliant job of falling into a debt spiral on its own via CPEC, it doesn't need any more "encouragement" from India. China is on the job.

 

[USofA]

I know about Indian hospitals being top notched, infact in some cases better than here in Toronto. My aunt got her surgery done in Mumbai, a very complicated surgery done with utmost care. However, I'd like to know the current health care services in Pakistan. Is it top notched?

I am surprised that she had to go to India. Why? If I may ask. I thought that Canada had one of the best medical systems/care/facilities in the world. At least that is what is always said when comparing it to the US. I personally feel that we have the best hospitals in the world and lead the medical field in numerous ways.

 

[90MPH]

If Indian government are going to put such ridiculous restrictions then I'm afraid the sick people should look for alternative distinctions.

Yes we know why they go there - very little culture and language barriers plus ease of transport. If I was in their shoes maybe I would want to go there as well.

But it's better to go elsewhere if they don't want to treat sick people. They are sending a message so Pak government should tell their citizens rather than giving a stupid letter (its a ridiculous ask no matter what Indian posters say) just go somewhere else which might take more longer to get there in terms of transport but you are at least given respect.

 

[SandyB]

I am surprised that she had to go to India. Why? If I may ask. I thought that Canada had one of the best medical systems/care/facilities in the world. At least that is what is always said when comparing it to the US. I personally feel that we have the best hospitals in the world and lead the medical field in numerous ways.

Money money money .

Even if us Indians love to complain about life in India being "cheap", we have EVERYTHING cheap here most importantly healthcare and education.

And Unlike our engineers, Indian Doctors, Nurses etc aren't as poorly qualified or trained. Many of the advanced healthcare hospitals etc here use a lot of Doctors/Nurses or (are run) by who for long have worked overseas (Middle east, US etc) and have tried to bring about the same level of modernization here. The Christian missionary influence was great too, they truly helped modernize healthcare here, and made it available to anyone with money , irrespective of caste/religion.

This doesn't mean that average healthcare levels in India are good. The good places (big cities, certain southern states etc), have really advanced their healthcare facilities. This all comes at a price, which is pretty much un-affordable for maybe 60-70 of the general populace, but still very cheap compared to the west.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I am surprised that she had to go to India. Why? If I may ask. I thought that Canada had one of the best medical systems/care/facilities in the world. At least that is what is always said when comparing it to the US. I personally feel that we have the best hospitals in the world and lead the medical field in numerous ways.

Canadian health care is indeed best and better than US also free for its citizen.

My aunt isnt Canadian citizen and at the time of her diagnose she was in India, so without any delays she underwent surgery in Mumbai. The reason i said in some cases Indian health care is better than here is because Doctors in India have the luxury of freedom and willing to take chances.
Here, if surgery is complicated or risk involved, they would advised against it, whereas in India doctor will get it done.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If Indian government are going to put such ridiculous restrictions then I'm afraid the sick people should look for alternative distinctions.

Yes we know why they go there - very little culture and language barriers plus ease of transport. If I was in their shoes maybe I would want to go there as well.

But it's better to go elsewhere if they don't want to treat sick people. They are sending a message so Pak government should tell their citizens rather than giving a stupid letter (its a ridiculous ask no matter what Indian posters say) just go somewhere else which might take more longer to get there in terms of transport but you are at least given respect.

Is India the only country that does extra vetting of Pakistani passport holders?

 

[90MPH]

Is India the only country that does extra vetting of Pakistani passport holders?

Certainly it's the most discriminatory when a government starts putting roadblocks for people suffering medical conditions.

That's why they should avoid it if they going to start playing ridiculous games on demanding letters from the pak government - disgusting.

Just avoid it, simple as that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Certainly it's the most discriminatory when a government starts putting roadblocks for people suffering medical conditions.

That's why they should avoid it if they going to start playing ridiculous games on demanding letters from the pak government - disgusting.

Just avoid it, simple as that.

Pakistanis face extra vetting in many countries and so India isnt an exception but since it doesnt want genuine patients to suffer it has asked Pakistan FO to verify and vet genuine cases so that visas are expedited.

Every country reserves the right to issue or not issue visas or put any conditions for visas.There is nothing new, except the usual Pakistani sense of entitlement.

 

[sshakir411]

Why do Pakistanis want to go a place where the practicing doctor has reservations on treating them?

 

[90MPH]

Pakistanis face extra vetting in many countries and so India isnt an exception but since it doesnt want genuine patients to suffer it has asked Pakistan FO to verify and vet genuine cases so that visas are expedited.

Every country reserves the right to issue or not issue visas or put any conditions for visas.There is nothing new, except the usual Pakistani sense of entitlement.

No it's only India that has these disgusting "vetting" discriminatory conditions for Pakistanis. Even a few months ago 2 American girls in a band (who were born in America but had one Pakistani parent) but were banned from visiting for no reason other than having a parent from the enemy country.

Now even people with medical conditions are not spared. Tell me any other country that starts asking for ridiculous letters from the foreign office ?

So No one believes your baloney about other countries having the same restrictions but I will agree with you on 1 thing - they should avoid visiting India.

 

[Yossarian]

Money money money .

Even if us Indians love to complain about life in India being "cheap", we have EVERYTHING cheap here most importantly healthcare and education.

And Unlike our engineers, Indian Doctors, Nurses etc aren't as poorly qualified or trained. Many of the advanced healthcare hospitals etc here use a lot of Doctors/Nurses or (are run) by who for long have worked overseas (Middle east, US etc) and have tried to bring about the same level of modernization here. The Christian missionary influence was great too, they truly helped modernize healthcare here, and made it available to anyone with money , irrespective of caste/religion.

This doesn't mean that average healthcare levels in India are good. The good places (big cities, certain southern states etc), have really advanced their healthcare facilities. This all comes at a price, which is pretty much un-affordable for maybe 60-70 of the general populace, but still very cheap compared to the west.

At least one balanced post in this thread from an Indian poster that tries to convey an accurate picture as opposed to blind patriotic chest-thumping rhetoric. Thanks.

 

[Yossarian]

Look who's talking!!

You will prefer your fellow citizens to go without care, because your egoistic government, refuses to engage in dialogue with "the enemy country" despite repeated letters from our external affairs minister, besides being unable to provide adequate medical care within the country. Who needs enemies when they have countrymen like you?

"My" government?

Incidentally, in my lifetime, I've probably visited more countries, work related as well as just being a visitor, than you could probably name on a map, with some requiring visas whilst others not, and even though on occasions many volumes of paperwork was required before the visas were issued, never once was there any requirement to produce a letter from my country's Foreign Office.

 

[big_gamer007]

At least one balanced post in this thread from an Indian poster that tries to convey an accurate picture as opposed to blind patriotic chest-thumping rhetoric. Thanks.

That's a good post by [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] but that is not what this thread is about.. India and Pakistan aren't the best of friends and with current environment the decision was taken by GOI to grant medical visas after Pakistani FO vet the patients.. Is it wrong or right? One can argue for either side..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why do Pakistanis want to go a place where the practicing doctor has reservations on treating them?

When did doctors say they wont treat?If doctors didnot want to treat then they will not treat even if you land up on their doors.

We and i speak as a doctor and [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] will agree that, have been taught that its your duty to provide life saving service to anyone no matter the religion nationality caste sex.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No it's only India that has these disgusting "vetting" discriminatory conditions for Pakistanis. Even a few months ago 2 American girls in a band (who were born in America but had one Pakistani parent) but were banned from visiting for no reason other than having a parent from the enemy country.

Now even people with medical conditions are not spared. Tell me any other country that starts asking for ridiculous letters from the foreign office ?

So No one believes your baloney about other countries having the same restrictions but I will agree with you on 1 thing - they should avoid visiting India.

Pakistanis faces extreme vetting for US visas.Its on record.Kuwait banned Pakistanis.So on.

Other countries simply refuse the visa.Regardless we have tried to make sure we give visas to genuine patients and Pakistani FO can certify the genuine cases.

Why not ask your own country to provide easy visas and medical services to Pakistanis?They can fly to london then.Will they?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Money money money .

Even if us Indians love to complain about life in India being "cheap", we have EVERYTHING cheap here most importantly healthcare and education.

And Unlike our engineers, Indian Doctors, Nurses etc aren't as poorly qualified or trained. Many of the advanced healthcare hospitals etc here use a lot of Doctors/Nurses or (are run) by who for long have worked overseas (Middle east, US etc) and have tried to bring about the same level of modernization here. The Christian missionary influence was great too, they truly helped modernize healthcare here, and made it available to anyone with money , irrespective of caste/religion.

This doesn't mean that average healthcare levels in India are good. The good places (big cities, certain southern states etc), have really advanced their healthcare facilities. This all comes at a price, which is pretty much un-affordable for maybe 60-70 of the general populace, but still very cheap compared to the west.

You have little idea of indian healthcare and health education system regarding the costs.

Also while some doctors are trained in US UK etc majority are not.They are India trained.

Middle East health care system runs on expats its not a place for training and education its a place to provide services after you have attained training.

Most of these people who come from Pakistan go to hospitals like Medanta and i can tell you that Medanta is beyond even upper middle class.

 

[cricketjoshila]

"My" government?

Incidentally, in my lifetime, I've probably visited more countries, work related as well as just being a visitor, than you could probably name on a map, with some requiring visas whilst others not, and even though on occasions many volumes of paperwork was required before the visas were issued, never once was there any requirement to produce a letter from my country's Foreign Office.

Do you hold a Pakistani passport?Did you apply for a visa to India?If not then the comparision is moot.

 

[Slog]

Is it really much cheaper to go to India than lets say Singapore

I would assume the patients who go there are generally rich and go to hospitals like Appollo

 

[CricketCartoons]

Most of these people who come from Pakistan go to hospitals like Medanta and i can tell you that Medanta is beyond even upper middle class.

You have better insight on lots of things Indian, so can't doubt you, but I stay near medanta in gurgaon, and I see lots of lower middle class patients, also africans (though they look well to do).

 

[cricketjoshila]

You have better insight on lots of things Indian, so can't doubt you, but I stay near medanta in gurgaon, and I see lots of lower middle class patients, also africans (though they look well to do).

Many Africans are sponsored by governments.Even Bhutanese are.

Medanta also is covered under CGHS.Central govt health scheme so central govt employees can go there irrespective of status.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Is it really much cheaper to go to India than lets say Singapore

I would assume the patients who go there are generally rich and go to hospitals like Appollo

You are indeed correct.

I have no idea about cost of procedures in Pakistan or we could do a comparision on costs.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Many Africans are sponsored by governments.Even Bhutanese are.

Medanta also is covered under CGHS.Central govt health scheme so central govt employees can go there irrespective of status.

How does that health scheme work? If an operation costs 50k normally, but an expensive hospital like Medanta charges 100k for it, will the government reimburse the total amount?

 

[cricketjoshila]

How does that health scheme work? If an operation costs 50k normally, but an expensive hospital like Medanta charges 100k for it, will the government reimburse the total amount?

There are separate rates for CGHS.That is decided by the govt.

 

[CricketCartoons]

There are separate rates for CGHS.That is decided by the govt.

Ok, so Medanta charges the govt decided rates for those under the health scheme, otherwise it charges its own higher rates, for the same medical treatment.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ok, so Medanta charges the govt decided rates for those under the health scheme, otherwise it charges its own higher rates, for the same medical treatment.

Yes thats the broad concept.Rates are not for medanta alone.There are different slabs.

 

[sshakir411]

When did doctors say they wont treat?If doctors didnot want to treat then they will not treat even if you land up on their doors.

We and i speak as a doctor and [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] will agree that, have been taught that its your duty to provide life saving service to anyone no matter the religion nationality caste sex.

I'm just going by the sentiments in this thread..there is an innate bias that despite your professional training can still impact how you treat patients. This obviously isn't true across the board but given the strong sentiments Indians have these days towards Pakistan and her citizens it would hardly be any surprise if a Doctor treated a patient differently based on their passport.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm just going by the sentiments in this thread..there is an innate bias that despite your professional training can still impact how you treat patients. This obviously isn't true across the board but given the strong sentiments Indians have these days towards Pakistan and her citizens it would hardly be any surprise if a Doctor treated a patient differently based on their passport.

A doctor-Patient relationship is the most sacred of relations and shouldnot e tainted like this.A patient trusts his doctor with his life and the doctor tries his level best to save him.There is no other factor to be considered.Please I request you to not taint this relation with such accusations.

If Indian doctors would mistreat Pakistani citizens then they wouldnot come here.

 

[CricketCartoons]

A doctor-Patient relationship is the most sacred of relations and shouldnot e tainted like this.A patient trusts his doctor with his life and the doctor tries his level best to save him.There is no other factor to be considered.Please I request you to not taint this relation with such accusations.

If Indian doctors would mistreat Pakistani citizens then they wouldnot come here.

All theory bro. We all know what many indian doctors do. Attend camps so that they can practice on the poor. Force the patients to take particular medicines so that the MR can sponsor their trips. Doctors have already tainted this sacred relationship.

 

[cricketjoshila]

All theory bro. We all know what many indian doctors do. Attend camps so that they can practice on the poor. Force the patients to take particular medicines so that the MR can sponsor their trips. Doctors have already tainted this sacred relationship.

Attend camps to practice on poor?what do you know about medical camps?

There are 100s of brands of a drug.If a patient is in need of "X" drug then the doctor can prescribe any of the 100 brands as long as that brand passes certain quality tests.Its not wrong.

Wrong is if you need X drug and the doctor gives you Y drug.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Attend camps to practice on poor?what do you know about medical camps?

There are 100s of brands of a drug.If a patient is in need of "X" drug then the doctor can prescribe any of the 100 brands as long as that brand passes certain quality tests.Its not wrong.

Wrong is if you need X drug and the doctor gives you Y drug.

I know a lot about the malpractices by doctors. When they have to learn something or practice a new thing, they do it on poor patients. And take all precautions when it is a rich patient. Haven't you read news about patients going blind in a camp on cataract? gender identification and abortion clinics running in india? What sacred thing you are talking about, these doctors come from the same society you and I come from.

Why has MCI asked doctors to prescribe generics if it was not wrong to prescribe a particular brand? You don't know about the unholy alliance between medicos and MRs?

Sacred relation my square foot.

 

[kaayal]

I'm just going by the sentiments in this thread..there is an innate bias that despite your professional training can still impact how you treat patients. This obviously isn't true across the board but given the strong sentiments Indians have these days towards Pakistan and her citizens it would hardly be any surprise if a Doctor treated a patient differently based on their passport.

I don't know how to prove that I or any doctor give their best to someone's life.....for me, only thing is to save someone from illness/death and reduce their pain. I just hope they visit us asap so that they don't suffer....that's all i have said even here.....only thing we doctors are capable of is treating someone and that's possible only if they come here....how they come here is not under Indian doctors control.....we can only pray that they come here asap.....

 

[90MPH]

Pakistanis faces extreme vetting for US visas.Its on record.Kuwait banned Pakistanis.So on.

Other countries simply refuse the visa.Regardless we have tried to make sure we give visas to genuine patients and Pakistani FO can certify the genuine cases.

Why not ask your own country to provide easy visas and medical services to Pakistanis?They can fly to london then.Will they?

Stop changing the goalposts like you always do.

Now you are talking about US visas then you should conveniently mention Donald Trump has ordered to dramatically reduce Indian visas because he doesn't want cheap Indian workers in the American workforce.

Also a clear reminder to you that Trump didn't ban Pakistanis among the 7 countries (even though Modi and his cronies were begging him) so don't mix up nonsense with the article posted.

Have the Americans started asking for letters from the Pakistani foreign office or any other country for medical visas ? I will say it clearly again - Which other country asks for letters regarding medical conditions from the Pakistan government ??

Either put up or shut up regarding the topic but don't mix it up with other nonsense, a regular tactic so you can stall any debate or discussion.

As for which country these sick Pakistanis would want to be treated that is None of your God damn business ! Understand ?? They can get treated wherever they wish, be it London, china or wherever.

They should avoid India that I will agree but it's none of your concern where they want to go.

 

[Yossarian]

Do you hold a Pakistani passport?Did you apply for a visa to India?If not then the comparision is moot.

Never considered stepping foot on Indian soil, visa or no visa. Once even refused when my employer (a UK govt linked organisation for whom obtaining an Indian visa for me would not have been an issue) asked me to go to India to resolve a problem that our supplier was experiencing. My maternal grandmother's family having to run at 30 minutes notice in the middle of the night, leaving behind their homes, lands, livestock and everything else they could not carry on their backs, hiding by day and walking through fields at night trying to evade marauding mobs trying to kill them, until they reached the safety of Pakistan, might have something to do with it.

 

[Moh@n]

I agree with [MENTION=23613]90MPH[/MENTION]. Any Pakistani having an ounce of self respect should not even be thinking of going to a dushman mulk for his benefit. Why not go to China instead who will welcome these poor souls with open arms?

 

[SandyB]

You have little idea of indian healthcare and health education system regarding the costs.

Also while some doctors are trained in US UK etc majority are not.They are India trained.

Middle East health care system runs on expats its not a place for training and education its a place to provide services after you have attained training.

Most of these people who come from Pakistan go to hospitals like Medanta and i can tell you that Medanta is beyond even upper middle class.

My observations are based on my experiences with the healthcare sector in my state of Kerala. I never said our doctors are trained overseas. My point was that , given that a large number of our expats work in the middle east , they are much more familiar with the standards of healthcare and modernization available there, and tend to try and bring the same level of modernization here.

Also , our general healthcare system for the poor is quite good too, given that we make basic medicines and treatments available to scores of people at extremely low costs. But the "super speciality" level treatments and operations are quite expensive for Indians aren't they ?

 

[SandyB]

Never considered stepping foot on Indian soil, visa or no visa. Once even refused when my employer (a UK govt linked organisation for whom obtaining an Indian visa for me would not have been an issue) asked me to go to India to resolve a problem that our supplier was experiencing. My maternal grandmother's family having to run at 30 minutes notice in the middle of the night, leaving behind their homes, lands, livestock and everything else they could not carry on their backs, hiding by day and walking through fields at night trying to evade marauding mobs trying to kill them, until they reached the safety of Pakistan, might have something to do with it.

I don't know what they teach you in your schools but Partition was a TWO WAY street. There was barbaric violence on either side with Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs all victims. You can find stories of horrors people faced from any of those communities.

You make it sound as if, it was all an indian conspiracy to start riots.

 

[Moh@n]

I don't know what they teach you in your schools but Partition was a TWO WAY street. There was barbaric violence on either side with Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs all victims. You can find stories of horrors people faced from any of those communities.

You make it sound as if, it was all an indian conspiracy to start riots.

Stop wasting your time.

When a Muslim is beaten up in India over beef, it's HINDU TERROR. But when Muslim terrorists lynch innocent Hindu pilgrims, then TERROR HAS NO RELIGION.

You are expected to get used to this nonsense over here.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't know what they teach you in your schools but Partition was a TWO WAY street. There was barbaric violence on either side with Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs all victims. You can find stories of horrors people faced from any of those communities.

They don't teach much about Partition in schools in England. It's not considered as being a topic worth spending much time upon. As to what they teach you on the topic ... I'm not particularly interested to be honest. So I won't even comment upon it.

You make it sound as if, it was all an indian conspiracy to start riots.

Who gives a t*ss about it being a conspiracy, Indian or otherwise. I simply listed facts and personal experiences as told to me by my grandmother and great grandmother. And I'm not talking about riots, but about friends and neighbors of my maternal grandmother being slaughtered.