Indonesian Lion Air plane crashes into sea with 188 passengers and crew

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An Indonesian Lion Air Boeing 737 carrying 188 passengers and crew crashed into the sea off the Indonesian coast shortly after take-off from Jakarta, the search and rescue agency said on Monday.

“The plane crashed into water about 30 to 40 metres deep,” Search and Rescue Agency spokesman Yusuf Latif told AFP. “We're still searching for the remains of the plane. “

Indonesia’s disaster agency posted photos online of a crushed smartphone, books, bags and parts of the aircraft fuselage that had been collected by search and rescue vessels that have converged on the area.

The passenger jet was carrying 188 passengers and crew, a transport ministry official said.

“The aircraft was carrying 178 adult passengers, one child and two babies, with two pilots and five flight attendants,” said Sindu Rahayu, directorate general of Civil Aviation at the transport ministry.

Relatives of passengers comfort each other as they wait for news on a Lion Air plane that crashed off Java Island at Depati Amir Airport in Pangkal Pinang on Monday. ─ AP
Indonesian TV showed dozens of people waiting anxiously outside the Pangkal Pinang airport and officials bringing out plastic chairs. The transport ministry said crisis centres have been set up Pangkal Pinang’s airport and Jakarta’s Soekarno Hatta airport.

The aircraft lost contact with air traffic control around 6.30am, about 13 minutes after it took off, bound for Pangkal Pinang on the island of Bangka off the coast of Sumatra island.

“It's true that Lion Air JT 610 has lost contact. We have forwarded the information to search and rescue teams,” AirNav Indonesia spokesman Yohanes Harry Douglas had said in a statement.

Indonesia plane missing
Flightradar website said it was a Boeing 737. The website tracked the plane, showing it looping south on take-off and then heading north before the flight path ended abruptly over the Java Sea, not far from the coast.

Indonesia relies heavily on air transport to connect its thousands of islands but has a poor aviation safety record and has suffered several fatal crashes in recent years. A 12-year-old boy was the sole survivor of a plane crash that killed eight people in mountainous eastern Indonesia in August.

In August 2015, a commercial passenger aircraft operated by Indonesian carrier Trigana crashed in Papua due to bad weather, killing all 54 people on board.

Lion Air, a low-cost airline, has been involved a number of incidents. Last year one of its Boeing jets collided with a Wings Air plane as it landed at Kualanamu airport on the island of Sumatra, although no one was injured.

In May 2016, two Lion Air planes collided at Jakarta's Soekarno-Hatta airport, while a month earlier a plane operated by Batik Air — part of the Lion Group — clipped a TransNusa plane.

In 2013, a Lion Air jet with a rookie pilot at the controls undershot the runway and crashed into the sea in Bali, splitting the plane in two. Several people were injured in the crash, although no one was killed.

Indonesia's air travel industry is booming, with the number of domestic passengers growing significantly over the past decade, but it has acquired a reputation for poor regulation. Last year the Indonesian air traffic controllers association revealed that the rate of take-off and landings in Jakarta allowed by state-run air navigation company AirNav was more than the airport could handle, increasing the chance of accidents.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1442136/i...ane-crashes-into-sea-with-188-passengers-crew
 
Very sad indeed. God grant peace to the souls of deceased.
In this day and era of science and technology, this kind of accident is unacceptable.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UPDATE: An Indonesian rescue official says authorities are not expecting to find any survivors from the Lion Air flight that crashed into the sea near Jakarta with 189 people on board <a href="https://t.co/uvgT6ZY2xb">https://t.co/uvgT6ZY2xb</a></p>— TRT World Now (@TRTWorldNow) <a href="https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1056852293738471424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Its one of the worst nightmares a person can have.

But it seems to be the case with South east Asian airlines mostly eg. Malaysia and Indonesia. I wonder why?
 
Its one of the worst nightmares a person can have.

But it seems to be the case with South east Asian airlines mostly eg. Malaysia and Indonesia. I wonder why?

My hunch is that the planes for these airlines have plenty of short hops several times a week which leaves less time for maintenance and overhaul. Indonesia is comprised of hundreds of islands and the best way to get about is by air travel.
 
Lion Air's safety record is an absolute disgrace.

If I had a dollar for everytime their planes overshot a runway, or suffered hydraulic failures, or anything of that sort, I'd still not have enough to foot their insurance bill.

Stay away from them with a 10-foot pole.
 
rip

read somewhere that it was a brand new plane.
 
Word of advice never fly with Asian Airline companies. There have been cases with fake pilot licences. I stick with Virgin, British Airways, American Airlines and etc. Fly Emirates and Qatar Airways also seem fishy as well. PIA would be the first on the list of banned airlines.

Aviation is shaped by the quality of Aeronautical engineers - some of them have obtained fake degrees especially the asian ones.

Fly on western airlines. Better service, better aeronautical engineers, better pilots, better food and beverages.
 
Word of advice never fly with Asian Airline companies. There have been cases with fake pilot licences. I stick with Virgin, British Airways, American Airlines and etc. Fly Emirates and Qatar Airways also seem fishy as well. PIA would be the first on the list of banned airlines.

Aviation is shaped by the quality of Aeronautical engineers - some of them have obtained fake degrees especially the asian ones.

Fly on western airlines. Better service, better aeronautical engineers, better pilots, better food and beverages.

Indian pilot Bhavye Suneja was flying the Lion Air flight that crashed into Indonesian seas
Captain Bhavye Suneja who piloted the Lion Air flight hails from New Delhi. He is associated with the airline since March 2011 and has amassed more than 6,000 flying hours

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/indias-bhavye-suneja-flew-the-lion-air-flight-that-crashed-into-indonesian-seas-5423185/

Proves my point - never trust nakli pilots from Asia. Always fly with American Airlines, British Airways and Virgin.
 
Word of advice never fly with Asian Airline companies. There have been cases with fake pilot licences. I stick with Virgin, British Airways, American Airlines and etc. Fly Emirates and Qatar Airways also seem fishy as well. PIA would be the first on the list of banned airlines.

Aviation is shaped by the quality of Aeronautical engineers - some of them have obtained fake degrees especially the asian ones.

Fly on western airlines. Better service, better aeronautical engineers, better pilots, better food and beverages.

the gulf airlines like qatar and emirates are really good, never heard of them crashing and they get the best airplanes and technical stuff. PIA isn't too bad in terms of it's crash record, they have bad service but have never heard of any of their planes crashing except for the occasional once-in-decade tragedy.

I prefer emirates and qatar over most american airlines, the service in american airlines isn't really as good.
 
Proves my point - never trust nakli pilots from Asia. Always fly with American Airlines, British Airways and Virgin.

Emirates has a better safety record than all of those.

Ridiculous generalisation
 
Proves my point - never trust nakli pilots from Asia. Always fly with American Airlines, British Airways and Virgin.

there are many good pilots in Pakistan, you're generalizing all of Asia. A lot of Pakistani pilots also have experience in the airforce.
 
Also lol @ people blaming "asian pilots", the pilot was probably well trained but planes crash quite often, it's bound to happen someday and there are multiple factors why a plane crashes. It isn't always pilot negligence and pilot making a mistake doesn't make him "fake".
 
there are many good pilots in Pakistan, you're generalizing all of Asia. A lot of Pakistani pilots also have experience in the airforce.

Most of the Asian Airlines aren't great and true Pakistan does have good pilots particularly in the airforce. Not convinced by the Far Eastern airlines.

At the end of the day when it's come to regards for human life, Asian pilots, aeronautical engineers and thus airlines as a whole cannot be trusted.

I would trust a drunk American pilot over a Asian pilot because I have flown on a Virgin, funnily enough according to one of the hostess he was drunk but lo and behold it had no effect of the quality of the flight.
 
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the gulf airlines like qatar and emirates are really good, never heard of them crashing and they get the best airplanes and technical stuff. PIA isn't too bad in terms of it's crash record, they have bad service but have never heard of any of their planes crashing except for the occasional once-in-decade tragedy.

I prefer emirates and qatar over most american airlines, the service in american airlines isn't really as good.

No Gulf and Emirates just have nice eye candy with the air hostesses - that doesn't equate to better service lol.
 
He went to a better flying school and the safety records are there for everyone to see.

You can't even drive drunk, let alone fly that way.

Yes, safety record is there to see. One Pakistani pilot involved in history in a crash, countless non-Pakistanis
 
You can't even drive drunk, let alone fly that way.

Yes, safety record is there to see. One Pakistani pilot involved in history in a crash, countless non-Pakistanis

Don't agree depends on the quality of the driver ;)
 
Iirc in the movie Rainman a reference was made to the fact (at that time) that Australia's national carrier Quantas has never had a fatality. I wonder if it still true.

For those who are afraid of air travel and don't drink alcohol, the answer is diazepam. One 5g tablet makes cattle class on PIA (pain in arsenal) feel like first class, your in a bubble of your own. Doctors will prescribe.
 
Says Asian pilots can't be trusted

Cites a drunk American pilot :)))

Drunk Japanese pilot arrested at Heathrow Airport

A Japanese pilot who was arrested at Heathrow Airport for being drunk has admitted being more than nine times the legal alcohol limit.

Katsutoshi Jitsukawa, 42, who works for Japan Airlines, was arrested on 28 October after failing a breath test.

He was found to have 189mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood in his system - the legal limit for a pilot is 20mg.

The first officer pleaded guilty to exceeding the alcohol limit at Uxbridge Magistrates' Court on Thursday.

Japanese broadcaster NHK reported that police were alerted by the driver of a crew bus who smelled alcohol on the pilot.

He had been due to be part of a crew flying a Japan Airlines (JAL) flight JL44 to Tokyo but failed a breath test 50 minutes before the departure time.

The Boeing 777 aircraft took off after a 69-minute delay.

JAL issued an apology and pledged to "implement immediate actions to prevent any future occurrence", adding that "safety remains our utmost priority".

The drink-drive limit in England, Wales and Northern Ireland is 80mg, compared to 20mg for pilots.

Jitsukawa was remanded in custody and will be sentenced at Isleworth Crown Court on 29 November.

In June, British Airways pilot Julian Monaghan was jailed for eight months for being caught on duty with 86mg of alcohol in his system.

He had turned up for work at Gatwick Airport after drinking three double vodkas.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46062122

Clearly, the only problem here was that he wasn't an American pilot. :haha

Am I right [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]
 
Clearly, the only problem here was that he wasn't an American pilot. :haha

Am I right [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]

Precisely Abdullah bhai and the fact that he had too much alcohol, plus you can't trust a dopey oriental to fly with the greatest of respect.
 
Precisely Abdullah bhai and the fact that he had too much alcohol, plus you can't trust a dopey oriental to fly with the greatest of respect.

Eh, at least they don't do cocaine like a certain Stephen Silver! :9:
 
Eh, at least they don't do cocaine like a certain Stephen Silver! :9:

The reason why they don't is because they can't handle it just how they can't handle their liquor. When I was in America I noticed they drink 80% volume liquor bottles like it's water and still function.

But yeah Stephen Silver is a disgrace played with his life and in the process killed everyone on that plane.
 
Lion Air plane crash: 'I lost my only son, I'm not satisfied with the final report'

Nearly a year after Lion Air Flight 610 crashed into the sea after taking off from Jakarta airport, Indonesian authorities are releasing the final report of their official investigation into the incident.

All 189 people onboard the plane died, including Muhamad Rafi Andrian. His parents were among a group of victims' families who were briefed by officials earlier this week about the findings of the report.

They were told that the crash was due to "design and mechanical complications" with the aeroplane, a Boeing 737 Max.

But Rafi's parents have mixed feelings about the final report.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-a...y-son-i-m-not-satisfied-with-the-final-report.
 
Word of advice never fly with Asian Airline companies. There have been cases with fake pilot licences. I stick with Virgin, British Airways, American Airlines and etc. Fly Emirates and Qatar Airways also seem fishy as well. PIA would be the first on the list of banned airlines.

Aviation is shaped by the quality of Aeronautical engineers - some of them have obtained fake degrees especially the asian ones.

Fly on western airlines. Better service, better aeronautical engineers, better pilots, better food and beverages.

That’s ludicrous. Emirates, Etihad and Qatar are world class airlines and regularly receive sterling reviews from independent sources.

Not sure about the better service on U.S. airlines considering how they treat their passengers at times.
 
That’s ludicrous. Emirates, Etihad and Qatar are world class airlines and regularly receive sterling reviews from independent sources.

Not sure about the better service on U.S. airlines considering how they treat their passengers at times.

Agreed. They have improved but my favourite airline will always be American Airlines.
 
I ve flown American Airlines quite a few times and found them to be below standard (compared to the European ones). United esp is well known for crappy planes and American Airline is not much better. The staff at these airlines is poorly trained and lack basic knowledge and skills.
 
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