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IPL 2017 - Indian Talent & Performance Watch

deep82

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This thread is for Indians members as well as other interested PPers to discuss which new or established Indian talent is lightning up this year IPL.

Overseas players performances won’t be mentioned specifically as the focus is to identify new Indian talents and mark as a potential international player for India in upcoming years.

So, lets get going.

First week of IPL has been completed and we have 9 matches so far and here are the local talent that has impressed so far:

1 ) Rishab Pant: The 19 year wonder kid has lit up the IPL with his first two innings of 57 (36) and 31(22). Pant has already made it mark in the last domestic season including a run a ball triple century and a 48 ball 100. The kid is destined to greatness and a replacement for Dhoni in ODI and T20 is already there.

2) Sanju Samson: Another bright young talent. The first century of IPL 2017 belongs to him as he smashed 102(63). After a mediocre domestic season, Sanju has roared back to form. A decent wicketkeeper, solid technique and a cool head makes him as next Indian batting mainstay.

3) The Pandya Brothers: The brothers are impact players. Hardik has innings like 35(15) and 29(11) with around 8 sixes already and Krunal has done his bit with a performance like 3/24 (4). Both can hit big, bowl decent and are excellent fielders & both are in early twenties. Ideal packages for T20 and ODI cricket.

4) Nitish Rana: Another23 year old exciting talent. A hard hitting modern batsman impressed this year with inning of 34(28) and 50(29). He look fluent, has good range of strokes and looks ideal to bat at No. 5 for India in future.

5) S Nadeem: The domestic stalwart has figures like 1/13(4) and 1/23(4) in first two matches. Nadeem is the best left arm spinner in the country after Jadeja with two back to back consistent domestic season. May not get a chance to showcase his talent on international stage due to concurrent career with Jadeja.

6) Y Chahal: After an impressive T20 debut against England, Young Chahal is going from strength to strength. Two matches and good figures of 1/22(4) and 1/19(4). Looks more confident and already the best bowler of his team.

7) Sandeep Sharma: The best swing bowler after Bhuvenshwar Kumar in India. He is young and bound to get fitter and stronger. Good performances of 2/33(4) and 1/26(4) with an exception opening spell of 1/7(3) in powerplay.

8) Axar Patel: He rebranded himself as ‘proper’ allrounder in this IPL with batting at no 4 and opening the bowling. With performances like 1/27(4) and 1/12(4) and cameo like 24(22), he is making right moves. Still young, he can be a useful in T20s atleast.

9) Dinesh Karthik: DK is back with bang. With a bumper LIST A domestic season where he was super consistent with massive scores, he started IPL with good innings like 47(25) and 30(32) and generally looked solid and free flowing with bat. Is Champion trophy spot beckoning?

10) Kedar Jadhav: Though already established in India ODI setup, this is the first IPL after breakthrough performances vs England and he didn’t let down with innings like 31(16) and 69(37). A solid two year career awaits Jadhav till World cup 2019 atleast.

11) Kuldeep Yadav: The chinaman is an all format bowler and proved it with 2/25(4) spell in the first match. He is an exciting prospect for India after the splendid performance in his debut test.

The other notable performances in first week ( Indian current stars/past stars):

a) Yuvi enthralled with a blistering knock 62(49)
b) Bhuvi was reliable and immaculately accurate 2/27(4), 2/21(4)
c) Rahane customary special IPL inning 60(34)
d) Raina consistency in IPL is amazing 68(51)
e) Gambhir still has got the mojo 76(48)
f) Manoj Tiwary is a forgettable man but still keeps going 40(23)
g) Zaheer ( 2/31, 3/20) & Nehra (1/27) making their experience count
h) Manish Pandey special 81(47), key player for India in ODI setup
i) Mishra is Gold in T20 but still behind Chahal in pecking order 3/11(3)
j) Aaron has an unusual rare good spell 2/21(4)
 
Whatever little IPL I've watched over the years, the local bowling quality has been extremely poor, especially the pacemen.
 
The local quality has improved considerably over the years but still few TTF and trundlers remains like Dinda, Kulkarni, Undakat, Parveen kumar etc. who are taking places of new talent....I wish this IPL to be their last so that we can clear the junk.
 
Good thread, try to update it regularly.

Sanju Samson scored an impressive ton in the last game. He along with Pant could be an ideal replacement after Dhoni retires.
 
Pant is pure heart. That kid needs to be put in playing 11. Jadhav and Rana are doing quite well as well.
No match thread today but cracking game between sunrises and mumbai. Both these teams are definitely going to the playoffs
 
Rohit failed again...3rd time in a row couldn't get to double figure...BIG worry for CT
 
This list is full of mediocrity. Hardik Pandya and Pant are exciting but the rest should never be near the Indian team. Maybe Kuldeep Yadav is good too but don't really see the use of him when Ashwin and Jadega are there.
 
Never understand why Aaron isn't picked by India. After years of filth, they get one express bowler but they don't even play him. I happened to come across a few scorecards for this editions IPL and fast bowlers have been taken apart massively. Especially ones who can bowl at good pace. Yet Varun's bowled well.
 
K. Pandya played a gem today. 37(20)- 3 sixes. I like pandya brothers. They can become regulars in our T20 setup.
 
I hope all these new upcoming IPL stars start playing immediately for India
 
Nitish Rana has again played a good hand 45(36) - 2 sixes

Bhuvi continue to do stellar job 3/21 (4)
 
This list is full of mediocrity. Hardik Pandya and Pant are exciting but the rest should never be near the Indian team. Maybe Kuldeep Yadav is good too but don't really see the use of him when Ashwin and Jadega are there.
Jadhav is not going anywhere for next 2 years....the way he smashed England bowlers in previous ODI series to all parts is worth a full ticket price...

DK and Axar are proven TTF. But DK did light up domestic LIST A ( like Kamran Akmal) so maybe deserves one more chance in ODI.
 
Jadhav is not going anywhere for next 2 years....the way he smashed England bowlers in previous ODI series to all parts is worth a full ticket price...

DK and Axar are proven TTF. But DK did light up domestic LIST A ( like Kamran Akmal) so maybe deserves one more chance in ODI.

Yes, forgot Jhadav. He's very good.

DK is too old. You already have guys like Dhoni and Yuvi in the squad with Nehra making a possible return. No need for DK. Bring in Pant who's got potential. As for Axar, he simply doesn't have the talent. And plus, who does he replace? There's much better players like Kuldeep.
 
Strike off whatever you wrote about Samson. He has the brain of an Amoeba. Throws it away all the time. His Century came against useless bowlers of Pune.

Pant/Rana/Krunal are exciting prospects.

BK/Bumrah proving they are the best LOI pacers in Inida.
 
We need to get proper hitters ,could watch Rana today hoping to catch him in action next game,Krunal was decent last season but looks like his bowling has regressed.

Rishabh,Krunal,Sarafaraz hopefully we get 2 into our team sad that Hooda has not evolved one bit wanted him to make it to the team.
 
We need to get proper hitters ,could watch Rana today hoping to catch him in action next game,Krunal was decent last season but looks like his bowling has regressed.

Rishabh,Krunal,Sarafaraz hopefully we get 2 into our team sad that Hooda has not evolved one bit wanted him to make it to the team.
Rana is a good prospect. Krunal is a leg side hack. Hardik looks like he is finally showing what he can do with the bat
 
Mumbai should get rid of Pollard in for another international player and embrace Krunal Pandya. Pollard is a waste. We don't need these uncivilized players in IPL.
 
Umesh Yadav did well today 4/33

Gambhir another fine 70ish inning today....Pakistan would love to have him even at his age :P
 
I am glad a TTF like mohit sharma is total flop this IPL....I don't want this trundler near the Indian team...
 
Strike off whatever you wrote about Samson. He has the brain of an Amoeba. Throws it away all the time. His Century came against useless bowlers of Pune.

Let Give the kid a chance...If not consistent enough in coming matches, strike him off!:65:
 
Gambhir is playing like a man on a mission
Pant has been Great
Rana is definitely on the cards
Yadav and Bumrah do look quite good
Would like to see more of the other Pandya, Kuldeep and Jadhav
 
Let Give the kid a chance...If not consistent enough in coming matches, strike him off!:65:

I had high hopes for him 3 years ago. He did not improve at all after that. He is behind Pant and Parthiv Patel in the pecking order.
 
Gambhir is playing like a man on a mission
Pant has been Great
Rana is definitely on the cards
Yadav and Bumrah do look quite good
Would like to see more of the other Pandya, Kuldeep and Jadhav


Gambhir is playing like a dream. Too bad, he could not replicate this when he got the chances in the past few months. Choked badly.
 
Gambhir is playing like a dream. Too bad, he could not replicate this when he got the chances in the past few months. Choked badly.

Between Gambhir and Dhawan - I'll take Gambhir for another shot for now. This are his last years and I think he can still dig in. 2011 w/c win in finals was all him and even in IPL he is outscoring Dhawan and looks more motivated
 
Anything less than s/r of 125 is poor, like the knocks of Dhawan and Rana mentioned previously.
 
Between Gambhir and Dhawan - I'll take Gambhir for another shot for now. This are his last years and I think he can still dig in. 2011 w/c win in finals was all him and even in IPL he is outscoring Dhawan and looks more motivated
Between Gambhir and Dhawan, I will take none. Time to move on.
 
King Kohli back today 62(47)...:19:

Pandya Brothers keep marching on...finished the match together unbeaten...good to see that
Krunal 1/21(4) & 37(30)
Hardik 1/9(2) & 9(4)
 
Who is this new guy Rahul Tripathi? Blasted 33(17) batting at top today...will be following him in future matches...
 
Rohit Sharma is a full on disaster this IPL
Scores OF 4, 2, 3, 0 in 4 matches...:livid:

Dhoni has another failure...anything new?
 
King Kohli back today 62(47)...:19:

Pandya Brothers keep marching on...finished the match together unbeaten...good to see that
Krunal 1/21(4) & 37(30)
Hardik 1/9(2) & 9(4)

the krunal looks promising ..from the stats
 
I would play Krunal a head of Hardik. Both will go for the same number of runs. But Krunal is a much better batsman and a very good fielder.

he is spinner??? the other one is hack ...but his pace promises...
 
he is spinner??? the other one is hack ...but his pace promises...

What is the use of pace without any variations or a yorker to rely on?

Krunal is a pretty decent spinner. Can bowl economically. That is what is needed of your 5th bowler in ODI's.
 
What is the use of pace without any variations or a yorker to rely on?

Krunal is a pretty decent spinner. Can bowl economically. That is what is needed of your 5th bowler in ODI's.

should get a chance in t20/....
 
Only Indian fans can tell me more about Hardik Pandya but I find him to be extremely overrated. Why do people like him so much? Completely agree that Pant, Jedhav and Chahal are good players. Axar Patel is another very overrated player.
 
Only Indian fans can tell me more about Hardik Pandya but I find him to be extremely overrated. Why do people like him so much? Completely agree that Pant, Jedhav and Chahal are good players. Axar Patel is another very overrated player.

After Kapil Dev, we struggled to find a good pace bowling allrounder. Irfan Pathan did well for about 4 years before he declined spectecularly.Thereafter we tried mediocre allrounders like Abhishek Nayar, Stuart Binny and Rishi Dhawan and as expected, they all failed and exposed at international level.

Now we have Hardik Pandya and we are genuinely excited about him.He bowls at 140kps, can open the bowling and is quite a handful in helpful conditions.He may be a hack in batting but sometime hacks come useful in limited over cricket (esp T20s). Also, there is no doubt he can hit the ball big ( though can seem ugly). Most importantly he provide balance and flexibility which is gold.
 
Uthapaha, a TTF for India, has a field day today at IPL: 68(39) with 4 sixes

Manish Pandey, a key player for India in ODI, also played well: 46(35) with 2 sixes

Bhuvi brilliant again! 3/20(4)

Bhuvneshwar Kumar: Bhuvi is bowling like a man possessed with excellence! The pitches are flat and the powerhitters are blazing but not against Bhuvi. Here are his figures in first 4 matches:

2/27(4)
2/21(4)
3/21(4)
3/20(4)
 
Only Indian fans can tell me more about Hardik Pandya but I find him to be extremely overrated. Why do people like him so much? Completely agree that Pant, Jedhav and Chahal are good players. Axar Patel is another very overrated player.

We can only judge whether he is underrated or overrated by looking at this actual performances. He was India's best bowler in the 1st and 3rd ODIs of the recent India-Eng series.
 
After Kapil Dev, we struggled to find a good pace bowling allrounder. Irfan Pathan did well for about 4 years before he declined spectecularly.Thereafter we tried mediocre allrounders like Abhishek Nayar, Stuart Binny and Rishi Dhawan and as expected, they all failed and exposed at international level.

Now we have Hardik Pandya and we are genuinely excited about him.He bowls at 140kps, can open the bowling and is quite a handful in helpful conditions.He may be a hack in batting but sometime hacks come useful in limited over cricket (esp T20s). Also, there is no doubt he can hit the ball big ( though can seem ugly). Most importantly he provide balance and flexibility which is gold.

I do see him as some star player but it was mainly his stats that made me question him a lot. It's good to see he's doing well for India after what happened to Irfan Pathan. I genuinely do think that he's going to be a good lower order hitter, something that Pak needs; hopefully we can get that in Shadab Khan.
 
Kuldeep Yadav continues good show 1/23(4)...He is not just a test match bowler, that's confirmed now.
 
The next Indian star bastman S Iyer is back in IPL after missing first week..started with 22(17)....has high hopes from him.

On the contrary, K Nair fails again...

R Pant alsodisappoints today...15(9) , An ugly hack costs his wicket...

Although I am happy that TTF like Mohit, Aaron are mascaraed yet again..
 
The 3 "M" of Indian domestic cricket - Mandeep Singh, Manan Vohra and Mayank Agarwal have failed till now..its a pity that they couldn't graduate to next level...they were so close to International T20 debut couple of IPL season back...
 
Here is the list of Tried & Tested Failure(TTF) in IPL that teams are carrying off...they are much better giving youngsters chance than waste time & coaching resources on these players. All these players represented India and have failed to impress.

Bowlers & Allrounders ( what a ugly list of mediocrity)
Manpreet Gony
Dhawal Kulkarni
Praveen Kumar
Munaf Patel
Varun Aaron
Ishant Sharma (in OdI & T20s)
Mohit Sharma
Vinay Kumar
Ashok Dinda
Jaydev Unadkat
Sreenath Arvind
Karn Sharma
Rishi Dhawan
Stuart Binny

Bastman
Dinesh Karhtik ( Though he has revitalize his career this domestic season and current IPL so hopeful he get one last chance to remove the TTF label from him)
Robin Uthapha (never fulfilled his potential)
Ambati Rayudu ( not a TTF in true sense but at 31 yrs age, he is done)
Saurabh Tiwary
Naman Ojha
 
nice thread .. very informative

sarfaraz khan missing from the young players list ....injured?

DD only team which gives chances to young players (in top order) shreyas Iyer, Rishabh Pant, sanju samson, Karun Nair
 
Here is the list of Tried & Tested Failure(TTF) in IPL that teams are carrying off...they are much better giving youngsters chance than waste time & coaching resources on these players. All these players represented India and have failed to impress.

Bowlers & Allrounders ( what a ugly list of mediocrity)
Manpreet Gony
Dhawal Kulkarni
Praveen Kumar
Munaf Patel
Varun Aaron
Ishant Sharma (in OdI & T20s)
Mohit Sharma
Vinay Kumar
Ashok Dinda
Jaydev Unadkat
Sreenath Arvind
Karn Sharma
Rishi Dhawan
Stuart Binny

Bastman
Dinesh Karhtik ( Though he has revitalize his career this domestic season and current IPL so hopeful he get one last chance to remove the TTF label from him)
Robin Uthapha (never fulfilled his potential)
Ambati Rayudu ( not a TTF in true sense but at 31 yrs age, he is done)
Saurabh Tiwary
Naman Ojha

And these are supposed to be the best "pacers" from their entire state :facepalm:. I feel there is about 50 players from each state that gets drafted into Ranji teams.
 
nice thread .. very informative

sarfaraz khan missing from the young players list ....injured?

DD only team which gives chances to young players (in top order) shreyas Iyer, Rishabh Pant, sanju samson, Karun Nair

Yes, Sarfaraz is injured and withdrawn from RCB squad...a chance missed from him but his time will come...he is just 19...

DD is doing awesome with young Indian players...trusting them and giving them ample opportunities...
 
And these are supposed to be the best "pacers" from their entire state :facepalm:. I feel there is about 50 players from each state that gets drafted into Ranji teams.

There are young & upcoming pace bowlers that aren't given ample opportunities because of TTF pace bowlers.

Nathu Singh
Ishwar Pandey
Shardul Thakur
Mohmmad Siraj
T Natrajan

Hope they get a chance in next few IPL matches.
 
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Dinesh Karthik again cashing on his good form 48(26)...surely must be in contention for CT now....

Bumrah getting carted 0/45(4) today...he went for 0/39(4) last match as well...Novelty factor wearing off?:98:
 
Nitish Rana- the boy is on fire, smashed 53(36) today...just keep the consistency going and Indian T20 spot is not far away...:19:
 
We have unlimited supply of talented players,unfortunately many of them will not reach national team due to lack of space but thankfully due to IPL they can earn some money and improve thier lives.
 
Dinesh Karthik again cashing on his good form 48(26)...surely must be in contention for CT now....

Bumrah getting carted 0/45(4) today...he went for 0/39(4) last match as well...Novelty factor wearing off?:98:

Please, Dinesh has been given so many chances to make a comeback but he disappoints everytime. Why should he be considered for the CT anyway?

Dhoni will be the keeper for our team and in case he retires sooner, either Pant or Samson must get the chance as a WK.

Rohit
Dhawan/Rahul
Kohli
Yuvi
Dhoni
Jadhav
Raina/Pandey
Pandya
Ash/Jaddu
Fast Bowler 1
Fast Bowler 2

There is no place for Dinesh anyway.
 
The way Rohit is playing in the IPL atm , I wouldn't think he should be an automatic selection. I'd rather put Gambhir in for Rohit
 
I like the look of this boy Rahul Tripathi more...he seems a fearless hitter up at top...31(23) today to back up his 33(17) the previous night..
 
The way Rohit is playing in the IPL atm , I wouldn't think he should be an automatic selection. I'd rather put Gambhir in for Rohit
Rohit is back today 40(29) so few more good innings in coming matches and he should be set for CT...

There is no way Gambhir can be back now...
 
wow...my man Manoj Tiwari...the unluckiest man in Indian cricket...his best years collided with the fab 5 last few years and now his last few years collided with Kohli Pujara Rahane Rohit Rahul...too bad

26(10) with 2 sixes today...
 
Dhoni again played an ugly inning 28(25).....really get to worry about him in CT now with this kind of form :(

28 (25) is a decent ODI knock. You don't need to be striking at 150 in an ODI. Dhoni was never a T20 player but he can still do a good job in 50 overs cricket.
 
All I see is a plethora of immensely talented batsman, and a bunch of mediocre trundlers. Nothing new in India.
 
28 (25) is a decent ODI knock. You don't need to be striking at 150 in an ODI. Dhoni was never a T20 player but he can still do a good job in 50 overs cricket.
Yes, true. But the fluency is completely missing. Just ugly edges, miscue shots and an occasional hit. Doesn't inspire confidence. But then his experience is gold and Wicket keeping is outstanding. So just hope he clicks as a package in CT.
 
Yes, true. But the fluency is completely missing. Just ugly edges, miscue shots and an occasional hit. Doesn't inspire confidence. But then his experience is gold and Wicket keeping is outstanding. So just hope he clicks as a package in CT.

I hope he doesn't, for obvious reasons, but I can see that Dhoni definitely has some in the tank still. He can't play the moving ball well, however, so it's imperative that India's top four play out the first 20-25 overs in every match.
 
All I see is a plethora of immensely talented batsman, and a bunch of mediocre trundlers. Nothing new in India.
True. Spinners are doing fine. The stock are healthy there for next 5-6 years. Jadeja, Ashwin, Chahal, Krunal, Kuldeep etc. will carry India for next 5 years easily.

The pace bowling stocks as expected are bare. Not because of lack of talent but for team still relying on TTF in the name of experience.( see my post#48).

Currently we have a set of 5 International bowlers that are doing fine and will continue to spearhead for next 3 years atleast.

Shami (fitness permitted)
Yadav ( super fit)
Bhuvi ( super fit)
Bumrah (ODI & T20)
Ishant(Test)

There is an urgent need to give chances to young pace bowlers so that we can get the backups. My next hopes lies on these young shoulders. Get these guys a decent game time.

Nathu Singh
Ishwar Pandey
Shardul Thakur
Mohmmad Siraj
T Natrajan
 
Rohit is back today 40(29) so few more good innings in coming matches and he should be set for CT...

There is no way Gambhir can be back now...

Really ? that's based on what again ? If you look at the IPL performances till today ? Who's been performing better ? Who's better in fielding and showing some commitment ? Rohit has always been a lazy player whereas Gambhir is all heart and makes a perfect opening combination with Rahul
 
Good Performances from Indian pacers for a change...

Unadkat 2/25(4)
Shardul 3/35(4)
 
Really ? that's based on what again ? If you look at the IPL performances till today ? Who's been performing better ? Who's better in fielding and showing some commitment ? Rohit has always been a lazy player whereas Gambhir is all heart and makes a perfect opening combination with Rahul
Rohit has been coming of injury so its fair to wait till full IPL before making any judgement.

Gambhir has always been super in IPL and he continues to do that but that's just about it. He is behind Rohit, Rahul and even Dhawan. Age is not with Gambhir, anymore.

Ideally, Rahul and Rohit should be Indian openers in limited over cricket for next 4 year. Both are in their prime and both are stroke makers and can impact the game far better than Gambhir.
 
Rohit has been coming of injury so its fair to wait till full IPL before making any judgement.

Gambhir has always been super in IPL and he continues to do that but that's just about it. He is behind Rohit, Rahul and even Dhawan. Age is not with Gambhir, anymore.

Ideally, Rahul and Rohit should be Indian openers in limited over cricket for next 4 year. Both are in their prime and both are stroke makers and can impact the game far better than Gambhir.

Age isn't a criteria , Gambhit is 35 , Dhoni and Yuvi and even Nehra are similar.
Rohit has not proven himself for a long time , yes, he's coming off an injury but if you can't even prove yourslef in the IPL - you are way out of form and need to sit out. It's horses for courses and Rohit is unable to buy runs at this time and certainly doesn't deserve a spot.
I am not going by the past peformances of Gambhir in the IPL - I am concerned about how the players are performing right now and Gambhir is outplaying Rohit in every aspect at this point.
India does need to sustain with Rohit in the future not questioning that , for the CT - Rohit would need to be out unless he picks himself , I rather have a RH/LH combination of Gambhir and Rahul open. Dhawan should not even come close to the team bus at this point
 
Sanju Samson progressing well 39(25)..I like the consistency shown by Sanju this year :19:
 
Shreyas Iyer was playing beautifully today before he got run out 26(17).
 
Now Rishab Pant carnage...already 37*(14) and still going strong...
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16.6

UT Yadav to Pant, FOUR
16.5

UT Yadav to Pant, SIX, this is some carnage. Umesh has got his lengths all wrong here. Full, outside off, giving him all the room he needs to lift it from outside off and clean over long-on. Again, powerful bottom hand

Fine leg comes inside the circle now.

16.4

UT Yadav to Pant, SIX, what a shot that is! That has just been punched off the pads. Powerful wrists from Pant. On leg stump this time and fuller, just picks it up and flicks it away over backward square leg. Lot of bottom hand there
16.3

UT Yadav to Pant, FOUR, and this time it is short and wide, too easy for Pant who flays it uppishly over the backward point region
16.2

UT Yadav to Pant, SIX, that has just been jabbed away, off the middle of the bat and powerfully struck. Picks the length early and gets on top of it, picks it up from outside off and thumps it over mid-on
16.1

UT Yadav to Pant, no run, lovely channel. Good length, angling away and gets it to tail away late and beats the forward push of the batsman
 
there is batting talent without any doubt, some clean hitters with good head above shoulders, but bowling quality is so ****** that we can say with quite confidence that for years to come India will remain a batting superpower with meager bowling resources. Will keep winning at home and losing away
 
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